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Author Topic: The Decline and Fall of SJW's  (Read 1306 times)

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« on: May 31, 2020, 06:56:06 pm »
So, as I'm sure some of you are already aware of, the federal government has branded Antifa a terrorist movement and are subjecting the various Antifa groups and networks and anyone who openly affiliates with Antifa to the same restrictions used for terrorist and organized crime groups, and the FBI and DOJ are coordinating in massive investigations of the Antifa movement following the riots in Minneapolis and other cities all over the country.

Here is an official statement from the Attorney General and the DOJ on the matter

There's been a budding wider backlash against the SJW Left among the general public for a while now, dating back to the spring of 2019 at the very earliest, and the coronavirus pandemics and economic crashes have only accelerating everything. People are becoming sick of the left's bullshit and things are getting really serious.

I think this is the beginning of the end and I would love to hear what Pundit has to say on this matter, seeing as he usually knows a lot more about these type of things than I do and tends to have a more informed take on the issue overall.

I'm curious how this will blow back on the more militantly woke elements of the RPG industry (Onyx Path/Nu-White Wolf, Paizo, Evil Hat, RPG.net, etc.) seeing as those are all very much explicitly pro-Antifa companies with strong far left sentiments on their official forums.
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« Reply #1 on: May 31, 2020, 09:58:15 pm »
I wonder what this means for all the social media supporters for Antifart via their #IamAntifart and what it means for all the celebs giving money to bail the rioters out of jail. There's some legal questions in that mess. AKA, material support for a domestic terror group is a legal No-No. Also, there's the question of how the bail money would be allocated for non-rioter protesters, rioter morons, and actual AntiFarters. The DOJ could just seize all the bail donation assets.

And let's not forget Dementia JoJo's campaign is part of that material support now that they've made claims to offer bail cash for rioters.

RPGPundit's latest video doesn't address the Antifart situation, but does discuss what he sees as the coming death of the SJW.
https://www.therpgsite.com/showthread.php?42129-SJWs-D-amp-D-and-Otherwise-Have-Entered-a-Hypernormaliztion-Stage

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« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2020, 12:47:34 am »
This is nowhere close to the beggining of the end. SJW power has never been physical, to that end Antifa is actually a detriment to progressive cause. You think this is the first leftist terrorist organization?

If anything loosing antifa will make progressivism stronger (better optics). SJWs will loose when their principles are rebutted. When their institutions (Universities and Media) fall, and then maybe a generation of cleansing afterwards.

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« Reply #3 on: June 01, 2020, 01:32:13 am »
I know that many on the anti-SJW side (myself once included) has been hoping for this for a long time, but I am wary of what literally branding "anti-Fascist" groups as terrorist movements might mean for the future, and I stopped pleading for the government to do it a long time ago. As garbage as SJWs and the current incarnation of Antifa in particular may be there are perfectly valid and legitimate reasons to want to oppose totalitarianism and fascism (assuming it's actual fascism, or something resembling it, and not just people you disagree with). And once the dust is settled, SJWs reside, and the culture war is over, and people stop being at each other's throats and turn their attention back to actual real problems, it might turn out that the government is seriously overreaching itself (which it already kinda is, we've just been too busy fighting each other to notice). And when that time comes I would like to be able to speak out against the government and call it "fascistic" if the term applies without officially being branded a terrorist.

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« Reply #4 on: June 01, 2020, 04:00:58 am »
AntiFart is (and was) an anarchist / communist terror group. Just because they chose a noble sounding name means nothing, except the founders has some PR sense. Declaring them a terrorist organization is good news, albeit far too long in coming. Same with Trump taking action against social media.

I agree the SJWs will regroup with a new violent force. AKA, the death of Al-Qaeda just sent the clowns to joint ISIS. It will be a game of whack-a-mole.

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« Reply #5 on: June 01, 2020, 08:09:38 am »
Quote from: Spinachcat;1131867
AntiFart is (and was) an anarchist / communist terror group. Just because they chose a noble sounding name means nothing, except the founders has some PR sense. Declaring them a terrorist organization is good news, albeit far too long in coming. Same with Trump taking action against social media.

I agree the SJWs will regroup with a new violent force. AKA, the death of Al-Qaeda just sent the clowns to joint ISIS. It will be a game of whack-a-mole.

Yeah, but it is always a game of whack-a-mole. There will always be someone out there who has decided that they do not like the status quo and will try to change it. Maybe they will be right to change it and maybe they will be wrong, but the True Believers out there doing the action will always think that they have the best of intentions regardless of outcomes.

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« Reply #6 on: June 01, 2020, 08:12:50 am »
If this really does happen Trump just recevied a bunch a new votes for his re-election campaign imo. Even amongst the left people were getting tired of the organization imo. Made my day to see that today.

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« Reply #7 on: June 01, 2020, 08:16:17 am »
This isn't the first time we've had to deal with this sort of thing.

Read Days of Rage sometime. Real eye-opener.

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« Reply #8 on: June 01, 2020, 10:38:56 am »
#Fakenews, Chris Wallace told me ANTIFA isn't a real organization, it's just a bunch of randos who happen to have a flag, websites, meetings, and funding.

Non-sarcastic response: Why the fuck is the media SO VESTED in saying ANTIFA isn't "real"? It's almost like they want to ignore this stuff is even happening.

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« Reply #9 on: June 01, 2020, 10:53:33 am »
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#Fakenews, Chris Wallace told me ANTIFA isn't a real organization, it's just a bunch of randos who happen to have a flag, websites, meetings, and funding.

Non-sarcastic response: Why the fuck is the media SO VESTED in saying ANTIFA isn't "real"? It's almost like they want to ignore this stuff is even happening.
   For the same reason criticizing george soros for funding.....protesting....is nothing more than rampant anti semitism

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« Reply #10 on: June 01, 2020, 11:40:36 am »
Quote from: Brad;1131885
#Fakenews, Chris Wallace told me ANTIFA isn't a real organization, it's just a bunch of randos who happen to have a flag, websites, meetings, and funding.

Non-sarcastic response: Why the fuck is the media SO VESTED in saying ANTIFA isn't "real"? It's almost like they want to ignore this stuff is even happening.

I think they're still operating on the pro-Antifa narrative that appeared after Charlottesville and are still in the "denial" stage of grief right now.

Give it a little bit of time and the reality of it all will start to sink in.
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« Reply #11 on: June 01, 2020, 12:01:27 pm »
You'd think they'd be a little more ornery after CNN HQ got hit in Atlanta.

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« Reply #12 on: June 01, 2020, 12:02:19 pm »
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I know that many on the anti-SJW side (myself once included) has been hoping for this for a long time, but I am wary of what literally branding "anti-Fascist" groups as terrorist movements might mean for the future, and I stopped pleading for the government to do it a long time ago. As garbage as SJWs and the current incarnation of Antifa in particular may be there are perfectly valid and legitimate reasons to want to oppose totalitarianism and fascism (assuming it's actual fascism, or something resembling it, and not just people you disagree with). And once the dust is settled, SJWs reside, and the culture war is over, and people stop being at each other's throats and turn their attention back to actual real problems, it might turn out that the government is seriously overreaching itself (which it already kinda is, we've just been too busy fighting each other to notice). And when that time comes I would like to be able to speak out against the government and call it "fascistic" if the term applies without officially being branded a terrorist.


There's already loads of other anti-fascism, promotion of democracy, promotion of civil rights organizations and charities that are not AntiFart.  People who truly care about the political process and preserving the amazing things that make America so Exceptional instead of just destroying things in the name of some sort of Anarcho-Marxist circle jerk can support/help those organizations.

Trump wasn't declaring "Anything Anti-Fascist is now illegal" -- there's a very specific GLOBAL group that just got branded as terrorists.

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« Reply #13 on: June 01, 2020, 01:47:58 pm »
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Trump wasn't declaring "Anything Anti-Fascist is now illegal" -- there's a very specific GLOBAL group that just got branded as terrorists.


Or as I once put it with a picture of masked and armed Antifa and COBRA troops side-by-side;

"One is a ruthless terrorist organization determined to rule the world - the other is the villain of a children's cartoon."

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« Reply #14 on: June 01, 2020, 05:09:15 pm »
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There's already loads of other anti-fascism, promotion of democracy, promotion of civil rights organizations and charities that are not AntiFart.  People who truly care about the political process and preserving the amazing things that make America so Exceptional instead of just destroying things in the name of some sort of Anarcho-Marxist circle jerk can support/help those organizations.

Trump wasn't declaring "Anything Anti-Fascist is now illegal" -- there's a very specific GLOBAL group that just got branded as terrorists.


Except that there isn't. There's an amorphous movement anyone can identify as, and while specific chapters branding themselves "Antifa" may have cropped up these past few years as it's become trendy there has never been one central, "global" organization anyone can point to that's responsible for the whole thing and can be held accountable for everything. What we do have is a frothing mass of dissenters all over the place who may or may not be Antifa causing a mess. So people want to brand them as "terrorists" cuz they're angry and they think it would be a convenient way to get rid of these pests.

Except that as of 9/11 "terrorist" is a very specific classification that has no legal rights and can be shipped off to Guantanamo to get tortured and held indefinitely. And now people want to apply that classification to a bunch of dissenters, and trust in the infinite wisdom of the government to apply this to just the "right" people we personally don't agree with and never apply this to the rest of the population somewhere down the line, perhaps years in the future after Trump is no longer in office (assuming that he never misuses this power himself).

This is wishful moronic thinking on the same level as SJWs who demanded mass censorship till they finally got it, then were surprised when some of that censorship also applied to them as well. And that was just social media companies, not the same government that gave us the Iraq War, the ever expanding Patriot Act and the never ending War on Terror, to go along with the previous never ending War on Drugs. When you give the government power that it can use against its citizens the government doesn't just use that power against the people you personally don't like.  It uses it against the people those in power don't like, and interprets it however the fuck those currently in power want.