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Author Topic: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum  (Read 12612 times)

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Sorry for the double post.  It was an error.  But to make the most of it.. Trond you raise a good point re human nature.  One of the early sites that became grouped in the constellation of what the media dubbed rightly or wrongly "Alt-Right" was Unqualified Reservations which laid out the concept of the Dark Enlightenment - a view of human nature contrary to the rationalist project of the 20th century.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Enlightenment
If I were to lay out the evolution of the Alt-Right it would go something like this:

In the early 00s a bunch of blogs, online magazines and forums emerged in opposition to the progressive establishment.  They had little in common other than this opposition and a willingness to talk about anything with anyone.  Paul Gottfried called this "the alternative right" and his then pupil Richard Spencer shortened it to "Alt-Right" and created a website and online magazine by the same name, with a few other organizations clustered around it.  The new name was short and catchy and it kinda stuck.

Being the wild west of right wing discourse was a double edged sword.  As per Trump's comments on Charlotteville you had good people and some bad people.  The downside to no gatekeeping is that bad conversation tends to drown out good.  Most of the people on the Alt-Right weren't Nazis, but there were Nazis there I assure you.  I believe Counter-Currents still has their website up.  Feel free to order yourself a book of love poetry to Hitler (I wish I were joking). 

Around the same time that conversations started to drift sideways the Cathedral noticed the little collection of weirdo tribes and set out to destroy them.  It was pretty easy to hang the "RACIST" label around the group's collective neck when you had idiots like Spencer running around giving "Roman Salutes".  The scene exploded.  Some small groups retreated back into their enclaves; some drifted mainstream. 

Today very few people are willing to really own the label and its become quite confused. It seems to be a tarnished crown that some occasional group will pick up and try on and then realize it comes with too much baggage and put down again.  With the mainstream right drifting increasingly Trump-ward the term has lost some of its focus.  The Cathedral is quickly losing its grip and freaking the fuck out.  Anyway, interesting times. 
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This thread was quite a ride.



On subject, it's weird to me how everyone on the far left (and some of the closer fringes) are SO TERRIFIED of this bogeyman.  I know that propaganda requires a level of unthinking acceptance, but it's jarring that there's no questioning of the a-tho-reh-teh.  Maybe it's just that fear of being ostracized that so many people have?

Anyone have some theories or evidence as to why people huddle and cower together on the left so easily over this shadow on the wall of Plato's cave?
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This thread was quite a ride.



On subject, it's weird to me how everyone on the far left (and some of the closer fringes) are SO TERRIFIED of this bogeyman.  I know that propaganda requires a level of unthinking acceptance, but it's jarring that there's no questioning of the a-tho-reh-teh.  Maybe it's just that fear of being ostracized that so many people have?

Anyone have some theories or evidence as to why people huddle and cower together on the left so easily over this shadow on the wall of Plato's cave?

I believe it's a narrative / script thing.  For a couple of generations the educated populace has been trained to think of all totalitarianism as a danger from the political right.  Yes the "Alt-Right" as a movement was intentionally cast in the boogy-man role - but also they didn't do themselves any favors and some of them seemed to volunteer for the position.  If they had removed their own bad actors they possibly could have weathered the storm.  That was probably impossible though, as the coiner of the term and owner of the central website with the same name, ie: "Alt-Right", was Richard Spencer, a completely scumbag.

There is a phenomenon wherein people learn to associate negative attention with a positive reward. It is after all ATTENTION of a sort, and comes with a potent biological and chemical reaction.  There is also a sense of power from manipulating people's reactions.  I think this is the close cousin of people who have humiliation fetishes. Spencer strikes me as this kind of person.  He has the sociopath's love of manipulation and enjoys negative reactions in others.

But why did the real villains - the cathedral of media, academia and establishment political class do this?  Because, in the words of Michael Malice, they want you dead but will settle for your submission. 

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I believe it's a narrative / script thing.  For a couple of generations the educated populace has been trained to think of all totalitarianism as a danger from the political right.  Yes the "Alt-Right" as a movement was intentionally cast in the boogy-man role - but also they didn't do themselves any favors and some of them seemed to volunteer for the position.  If they had removed their own bad actors they possibly could have weathered the storm.  That was probably impossible though, as the coiner of the term and owner of the central website with the same name, ie: "Alt-Right", was Richard Spencer, a completely scumbag.

There is a phenomenon wherein people learn to associate negative attention with a positive reward. It is after all ATTENTION of a sort, and comes with a potent biological and chemical reaction.  There is also a sense of power from manipulating people's reactions.  I think this is the close cousin of people who have humiliation fetishes. Spencer strikes me as this kind of person.  He has the sociopath's love of manipulation and enjoys negative reactions in others.

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All this seems pretty likely.  I was honestly under the impression that Spencer was a plant from the left, but this looks equally, perhaps more, likely.
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Spencer might be a plant because he refuses to vote for Trump and sided with Biden.  Don't know why.

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Some people want to burn things down because they think it is a way to get power and that it won't come back and bite them.  Some people just want to watch the world burn.  They agree about burning things down.

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This thread was quite a ride.



On subject, it's weird to me how everyone on the far left (and some of the closer fringes) are SO TERRIFIED of this bogeyman.  I know that propaganda requires a level of unthinking acceptance, but it's jarring that there's no questioning of the a-tho-reh-teh.  Maybe it's just that fear of being ostracized that so many people have?

Anyone have some theories or evidence as to why people huddle and cower together on the left so easily over this shadow on the wall of Plato's cave?


Its just normal mass hysteria. 


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This thread was quite a ride.



On subject, it's weird to me how everyone on the far left (and some of the closer fringes) are SO TERRIFIED of this bogeyman.  I know that propaganda requires a level of unthinking acceptance, but it's jarring that there's no questioning of the a-tho-reh-teh.  Maybe it's just that fear of being ostracized that so many people have?

Anyone have some theories or evidence as to why people huddle and cower together on the left so easily over this shadow on the wall of Plato's cave?

The people leading the sheep follow this: https://bolenreport.com/saul-alinskys-12-rules-radicals/
They use the mentally ill, provocateurs, mass media, and social media influencers to control a narrative laden with NLP (weaponized): https://inlpcenter.org/what-is-neuro-linguistic-programming-nlp/

Basically, those whose minds are easily malleable are the targets. And it works to an extent. Mostly on twit*(ter) and else where like ye olde tumb(lr).
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Spencer might be a plant because he refuses to vote for Trump and sided with Biden.  Don't know why.

Spencer was always a socialist and a would-be managerial elite.  He wants to rule the world and he thinks his obviously superior breeding and taste entitles him to this "right".  He thinks a tightly run central state is the best way to manage markets, which he distrusts (da joos, you know).  He really has more in common with the Dem leadership than he does with the Trump populists.  His view of race also lines up with the black separatists and other radical leftists.  He had more in common with the caricature of Trump pushed by the left than he did the actual man or his supporters. There was some nominal alignment around border control but even that is more signaling than substance. 

Of course, if you want to keep "the races" [sic] separate the only way to do that is through a centralized command and control structure, so racialists always need to control the state apparatus.


I'd actually say we're a little better off than we were.  I'm old enough to remember when the local anchorman was the Voice of God.  Everything that spilled from His mouth was the Unalterable TRUTH.  We just have more ways to verify and draw our own conclusions now which is a better thing.

Word.

I was honestly under the impression that Spencer was a plant from the left, but this looks equally, perhaps more, likely.

Did you hear his unhinged freak out after Charlottesville?  Talk about an unmasking.  It's frothing at the mouth cartoon villain level megalomania and racism.  He calls out "octaroons" for fucks sake.

https://youtu.be/4cCS1cP69Wo?t=86

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I am unsure yet if 2020 has been a good or bad year for civic nationalism (aka America First, all patriots welcome regardless of your DNA, aka All Lives Matter).

The MSM loves the increasing racial division and racial tension. Of course, their whole "black militants = good, white militants = bad" only guarantees more of both.

That's why the MSM really hates the Proud Boys and any non-white Trump suppporters. The idea of civic nationalism rising would destroy their narrative, then their power, then their gravy train.

 

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Macheus, I've removed your image. Making light of the Holocaust is not something I approve of.

Alright, fair enough.  Apologies.
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Wow, nobody is an extremely efficient troll. One critic post followed by 11 pages.

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Wow, nobody is an extremely efficient troll. One critic post followed by 11 pages.

That is because we'll argue, debate, complain, or just plain bitch about anything if someone gives us a topic.  I think people called OP on the trolling a few pages back and then went right back to the discussion.
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Wow, nobody is an extremely efficient troll. One critic post followed by 11 pages.

That is because we'll argue, debate, complain, or just plain bitch about anything if someone gives us a topic.  I think people called OP on the trolling a few pages back and then went right back to the discussion.

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Indeed, my friend. I think that most of us realized immediately that the poster "Nobody"--with 4 posts entirely to their credit--was just a stupid troll, and I don't think anyone has thought *he* was worthwhile to engage with.

Everyone else here though, well, yeah. We have fun arguing and discussing stuff. *laughing* So, I think it is more of the group here being interested in engaging each other than anyone taking the troll person seriously.

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