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Title: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: nobody on August 11, 2020, 09:19:57 AM
"But the left..."

No. That is not the topic. Focus.

Propaganda, according to Wikipedia, is communication that is used primarily to influence an audience and further an agenda, which may not be objective and may be presenting facts selectively to encourage a particular synthesis or perception, or using loaded language to produce an emotional rather than a rational response to the information that is presented.
Title: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: RPGPundit on August 11, 2020, 11:34:15 AM
So... evidence?
Title: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: GeekyBugle on August 11, 2020, 12:03:28 PM
Quote from: RPGPundit;1144314
So... evidence?

Exactly what I was gonna say.
Title: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: Trond on August 11, 2020, 12:05:11 PM
Nobody provided no evidence. I guess that's that then.
Title: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: Snowman0147 on August 11, 2020, 12:08:47 PM
Shut this shit thread down.
Title: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: Doc Sammy on August 11, 2020, 12:34:15 PM
Quote from: nobody;1144301
"But the left..."

No. That is not the topic. Focus.

Propaganda, according to Wikipedia, is communication that is used primarily to influence an audience and further an agenda, which may not be objective and may be presenting facts selectively to encourage a particular synthesis or perception, or using loaded language to produce an emotional rather than a rational response to the information that is presented.

Where's your evidence?

If you can't provide concrete evidence, then shut the fuck up and go back to Portland, pinko.

Punk sucks and the Cold War is over. Your side lost. Get over it.
Title: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: Ghostmaker on August 11, 2020, 01:52:17 PM
Remember, according to the racist left aspects of white supremacy include punctuality, delaying gratification, and merit-based recognition.

But it's the right spreading propaganda and hate.
Title: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: Garry G on August 11, 2020, 02:11:50 PM
I think you should provide examples to support your argument. I can see where that might come from but at the moment you're just making a sweeping statement that'll just annoy people.
Title: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: GeekyBugle on August 11, 2020, 03:02:06 PM
Quote from: Garry G;1144338
I think you should provide examples to support your argument. I can see where that might come from but at the moment you're just making a sweeping statement that'll just annoy people.

Why I'm not surprised, you "can see where that might come from"?

So you have your own list of suspected Alt-Righters?

But I'm the one peddling conspiracy theories no?
Title: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: Ratman_tf on August 11, 2020, 03:11:11 PM
Quote from: nobody;1144301
"But the left..."

No. That is not the topic. Focus.

Propaganda, according to Wikipedia, is communication that is used primarily to influence an audience and further an agenda, which may not be objective and may be presenting facts selectively to encourage a particular synthesis or perception, or using loaded language to produce an emotional rather than a rational response to the information that is presented.


So? Everyone uses propoganda. (Left, Right, Center) The question is how accurate are their claims versus how persuasive they're attempting to be.

Let's start with defining our terms. What does "alt-right" mean?
Title: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: Shasarak on August 11, 2020, 03:18:40 PM
Quote from: Trond;1144320
Nobody provided no evidence. I guess that's that then.

If my English translation does not fail me, nobody providing no evidence means that somebody provided evidence.

Qed
Title: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: Garry G on August 11, 2020, 04:15:39 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle;1144348
Why I'm not surprised, you "can see where that might come from"?

So you have your own list of suspected Alt-Righters?

But I'm the one peddling conspiracy theories no?


I can see where that idea might come from but I'd expect some sort of evidence of it as otherwise it seems a bit like conspiracy peddling through a bit of hand waving. Does that make sense? I mean at first blush they've come across as waving nonsense about but mibbe there's something I missed.

You seem to be assuming the worst which may explain your own hand waving.
Title: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: jeff37923 on August 11, 2020, 04:36:39 PM
Quote from: Ghostmaker;1144334
Remember, according to the racist left aspects of white supremacy include punctuality, delaying gratification, and merit-based recognition.


Math. Can't forget that math is racist.
Title: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: HappyDaze on August 11, 2020, 04:52:05 PM
Quote from: jeff37923;1144366
Math. Can't forget that math is racist.

But that doesn't add up...

Oh.
Title: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: Ghostmaker on August 11, 2020, 05:15:55 PM
Quote from: jeff37923;1144366
Math. Can't forget that math is racist.

That's the saddest part, at least to me.

Math is as impersonal as it gets. Numbers don't give a shit about your race. But they're so desperate to derange everything as 'white supremacy' they'll wind up making themselves educationally backwards if not illiterate.
Title: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: RandyB on August 11, 2020, 05:25:44 PM
Quote from: Ghostmaker;1144378
That's the saddest part, at least to me.

Math is as impersonal as it gets. Numbers don't give a shit about your race. But they're so desperate to derange everything as 'white supremacy' they'll wind up making themselves educationally backwards if not illiterate.

Past tense, because getting an education is "acting white".
Title: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: SHARK on August 11, 2020, 05:57:15 PM
Quote from: nobody;1144301
"But the left..."

No. That is not the topic. Focus.

Propaganda, according to Wikipedia, is communication that is used primarily to influence an audience and further an agenda, which may not be objective and may be presenting facts selectively to encourage a particular synthesis or perception, or using loaded language to produce an emotional rather than a rational response to the information that is presented.


Greetings!

*Laughing* :D Waa! Waa! Waa! Cry some more sweet tears, cupcake!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: HappyDaze on August 11, 2020, 06:07:40 PM
Quote from: SHARK;1144385
Greetings!

*Laughing* :D Waa! Waa! Waa! Cry some more sweet tears, cupcake!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Yeah, cuz we need a counterpoint to your crying everytime they make some imaginary assault against your fucked-up alt-America.
Title: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: GeekyBugle on August 11, 2020, 06:28:14 PM
"This message is hidden because HappyDaze is on your ignore list."

So glad I followed Brad's example...
Title: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: HappyDaze on August 11, 2020, 06:36:47 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle;1144388
"This message is hidden because HappyDaze is on your ignore list."

So glad I followed Brad's example...

So many lizards dropping tail. They love to dish out shit but they can't take it when someone gives it back. But that's OK, I'm not calling out their shit for their benefit.
Title: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: Doc Sammy on August 11, 2020, 06:46:23 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze;1144390
So many lizards dropping tail. They love to dish out shit but they can't take it when someone gives it back. But that's OK, I'm not calling out their shit for their benefit.

I haven't blocked you.

Now, since OP isn't here and you are one of the most left-leaning posters ever since I went rightward and quit being a center-left liberal (seriously, in 2016 I supported Bernie Sanders because I was that naive) then I ask you a question...

What would you consider "Alt-Right propaganda" on this site, what is your definition of "Alt Right", and who would you consider to be "Alt-Right"?
Title: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: HappyDaze on August 11, 2020, 06:58:35 PM
Quote from: Doc Sammy;1144392
I haven't blocked you.

Now, since OP isn't here and you are one of the most left-leaning posters ever since I went rightward and quit being a center-left liberal (seriously, in 2016 I supported Bernie Sanders because I was that naive) then I ask you a question...

What would you consider "Alt-Right propaganda" on this site, what is your definition of "Alt Right", and who would you consider to be "Alt-Right"?

Actually, Sammy, I'm not a Left-leaning poster. We've had discussions before, and you know that. What I am against is Right-leaning posts with no substance that get thrown out as click-bait and make reasonable Conservatives cringe. Unfortunately, many of the posters here push up YouTube bits with heavily biased commentary that obscures any real information. That's the kind of thing I consider propaganda (but I don't know if that's what the OP is referring to). Then those same Right-leaning posters do nothing but pile shit on anyone that questions those shit sources. So, I've had enough of it and have decided that these unthinking fucks can have a measure of their own medicine.

Edit: Sorry, missed part of the question. As to what is Alt-Right? I'm not entirely sure, and that means I'm not saying that any particular posters are Alt-Right. I also don't throw out terms like Fascist, Marxist, or the rest with any seriousness, but sometimes I'll use it as a counterbattery to some of the assholes here that are quick to label anyone that disagrees with them as some other. Some of them even go further and advocate for violence against the other after taking the time to separate them from whatever us the poster clings to as their identity. It's a shitty mindset to condemn others for their beliefs rather than actions (e.g., if you want to say shit about rioters for rioting, I'm all for it, but don't just attack all of the Left because they're not all doing that shit).
Title: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: Doc Sammy on August 11, 2020, 07:05:57 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze;1144397
Actually, Sammy, I'm not a Left-leaning poster. We've had discussions before, and you know that. What I am against is Right-leaning posts with no substance that get thrown out as click-bait and make reasonable Conservatives cringe. Unfortunately, many of the posters here push up YouTube bits with heavily biased commentary that obscures any real information. That's the kind of thing I consider propaganda (but I don't know if that's what the OP is referring to). Then those same Right-leaning posters do nothing but pile shit on anyone that questions those shit sources. So, I've had enough of it and have decided that these unthinking fucks can have a measure of their own medicine.

Understandable, to be quite honest.

Although, I'm still curious on a few things.

What is your definition of Alt-Right? And what makes it different from regular conservatism? And who on this forum would you consider to be Alt-Right?
Title: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: HappyDaze on August 11, 2020, 07:19:32 PM
I edited in that part to the above.
Title: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: Ratman_tf on August 11, 2020, 07:23:49 PM
So, nobody. I noticed you only have 3 posts since 2017. Have anything to contribute to the RPG sections of the forum? I'd hate to think you're just trying to drop a troll post and then dashing.
Title: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: Doc Sammy on August 11, 2020, 07:27:24 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze;1144399
I edited in that part to the above.

Thanks for the clarification, I appreciate it
Title: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: Alathon on August 11, 2020, 07:43:28 PM
Be warned, the "alt-right" is in this thread right now.
Title: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: Trond on August 11, 2020, 07:45:29 PM
Quote from: Shasarak;1144352
If my English translation does not fail me, nobody providing no evidence means that somebody provided evidence.

Qed


Except when somebody's name is Nobody.
Title: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: Shasarak on August 11, 2020, 09:20:34 PM
Quote from: Trond;1144410
Except when somebody's name is Nobody.

No, Somebody is on First.
Title: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: SHARK on August 11, 2020, 09:22:54 PM
Greetings!

I don't have some "imaginary" vision of America. I know it has existed, and remains to this day. However, America is under attack and being undermined by people that hate America, by Marxists and Globalists. I don't think we as Americans should kneel to them. I don't think Americans should appease the traitors in our midst, those that are out in the streets killing innocent people, attacking, burning and looting. Americans everywhere need to stand against the Marxists seeking to overthrow our nation.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Title: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: FingerRod on August 11, 2020, 10:56:27 PM
Well said, OP. I found your argument compelling. The motherland is ready to receive you on Twitter, Facebook, and Reddit.

Now go, my child, and fix society!
Title: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: Doc Sammy on August 11, 2020, 11:32:24 PM
Quote from: Alathon;1144409
Be warned, the "alt-right" is in this thread right now.

Oh, we already know.

Quote from: SHARK;1144424
Greetings!

I don't have some "imaginary" vision of America. I know it has existed, and remains to this day. However, America is under attack and being undermined by people that hate America, by Marxists and Globalists. I don't think we as Americans should kneel to them. I don't think Americans should appease the traitors in our midst, those that are out in the streets killing innocent people, attacking, burning and looting. Americans everywhere need to stand against the Marxists seeking to overthrow our nation.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK


Amen to that! We must defend America and preserve the great American ideal
Title: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: Mjollnir on August 12, 2020, 12:09:29 AM
Quote from: nobody;1144301
"But the left..."

No. That is not the topic. Focus.

Propaganda, according to Wikipedia, is communication that is used primarily to influence an audience and further an agenda, which may not be objective and may be presenting facts selectively to encourage a particular synthesis or perception, or using loaded language to produce an emotional rather than a rational response to the information that is presented.

That's terrifying. We must be ever vigilant against cartoon frog posters. This is serious business.
Title: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: Doc Sammy on August 12, 2020, 12:53:42 AM
Quote from: Mjollnir;1144450
That's terrifying. We must be ever vigilant against cartoon frog posters. This is serious business.

I mean, cartoon frog posters are harmless but you're the last kind of person who has room to condemn anyone for being a political extremist.
Title: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: Mjollnir on August 12, 2020, 02:31:31 AM
Quote from: Doc Sammy;1144458
I mean, cartoon frog posters are harmless but you're the last kind of person who has room to condemn anyone for being a political extremist.

Which is why I wasn't condemning anyone for extremism but rather mocking a 1950's Red Scare style public service announcement.

"Be on the lookout for alt right propaganda. Does little Johhny have tiki torches in his treehouse? Report all suspected fascists to your local cat lady or soy hipster hallmonitors for immediate canceling. "
Title: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: SHARK on August 12, 2020, 03:06:25 AM
Quote from: Mjollnir;1144466
Which is why I wasn't condemning anyone for extremism but rather mocking a 1950's Red Scare style public service announcement.

"Be on the lookout for alt right propaganda. Does little Johhny have tiki torches in his treehouse? Report all suspected fascists to your local cat lady or soy hipster hallmonitors for immediate canceling. "

Greetings!

The fucking Leftists love to sob and shriek about the "Alt-Right"--while they work night and day eating away at the foundations of our nation like filthy, diseased rats, ushering in Marxist brainwashing and tyranny.

True Americans need to stand against these Marxist traitors, and arm up against them. Marxist terrorists, like their inspiration of the Communist Red Guards, need to be stopped cold. With Antifa being known as a Domestic Terrorist organization, the Federal strike teams should be going after them relentlessly, and hunting them down like the rats they are. Every city, every town, where they seek to hide and whisper together, round them all up and bring justice against every one of them. I imagine AG Barr is preparing the groundwork to go after them hard very soon!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: Spinachcat on August 12, 2020, 04:47:58 AM
There's conservative propaganda. I've seen issues and quotes get exaggerated for effect by the "right". We saw lots of grotesque propaganda leading up to both Iraq Wars, and most of it was from the Neo-Cons who ran the GOP back then.

But the leftist and MSM nonsense of today has won the Propaganda Olympics. Goebbels is so proud! The entire BLM narrative is bizarre. Not a single Democrat in last week's Congressional hearing would condemn the "peaceful protestors" for their crimes, even refusing to condemn the murder of David Dorn, a retired black police officer.

Being told there's no violence, just peaceful protest is truly insane in an age where the raw footage is only a click away, but the MSM and the DNC believe their base will believe the lies. I'm not sure about that. The significant uptick in viewers on black conservative YouTube channels tells me "blexit" might be stronger than pollsters believe. There's plenty of comments on those YT channels by black ex-Democrats making it clear BLM doesn't represent them and they refuse to submit to the victimhood narrative, nor do they want to be associated with the looters and rioters.

And then there's the raw "George Kirby" / "Fentanyl Floyd" footage just released...


Quote from: RandyB;1144383
Past tense, because getting an education is "acting white".


"Acting white"...that gives me flashbacks to teaching. You don't see that shit with early elementary age black kids. Like every child their age, they're excited sponges for learning and terrific as students.

But after a decade in the school system? Yeah, "acting white" is a regular fight for teachers. And its pretty much a futile one. By high school, even the best teachers only reach kids who have chosen to be reached. And those kids almost always have either intact families or a forceful adult (often grandma) who slaps down the "acting white" nonsense.
 

Quote from: GeekyBugle;1144388
So glad I followed Brad's example...


You're missing out! I love the new improved Happy Daze!

What's best is the echo of misery in his hollow words. Just delicious.


Quote from: Mjollnir;1144466
Report all suspected fascists to your local cat lady or soy hipster hallmonitors for immediate canceling. "


That was funny!! Thank you!

It's especially funny as I love cats because of their murderous and "toxic" personalities. Cats have a laundry list of traits these freaks claim to they want to erase from men. Cats sit around, lick their balls and then look at you with "get your ass to the kitchen and get me some meat." They're furry gangstas.


Quote from: SHARK;1144473
I imagine AG Barr is preparing the groundwork to go after them hard very soon!


I love Trump, but his Justice Dept hasn't accomplished much. I don't expect much from Barr. My girlfriend thinks Barr wants to do a good job, but he's drowning in swamp creatures inside the perpetual bureaucracy. But to me a truly sharp AG would find ways around the sewage rats.
Title: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: Slipshot762 on August 15, 2020, 08:23:13 AM
that wikipedia definition to my eye makes nearly all communication into propaganda. it makes billy mays a propaganda minister for oxyclean. that definition is as useless as 3 of my cousins. and not nearly as sexy. that definition is crap.
Title: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: Mjollnir on August 15, 2020, 10:22:19 PM
Quote from: Slipshot762;1144966
that wikipedia definition to my eye makes nearly all communication into propaganda. it makes billy mays a propaganda minister for oxyclean. that definition is as useless as 3 of my cousins. and not nearly as sexy. that definition is crap.

When we [enlightened progressives] do it it's "raising awareness" and "community activism", when you [ignorant bigots] do it it's "spreading disinformation", "creating division", and "undermining our Democracy".  

That's because we've been taught (and believe), that Progressivism is "on the right side of history", and the more we advocate for Progressive/Liberal causes and ideals, the more morally superior we become. "It's called being a good person".
Title: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: tenbones on August 18, 2020, 06:21:04 PM
Quote from: Slipshot762;1144966
that wikipedia definition to my eye makes nearly all communication into propaganda. it makes billy mays a propaganda minister for oxyclean. that definition is as useless as 3 of my cousins. and not nearly as sexy. that definition is crap.


That's precisely the point of the definition. This way it makes it easier for the useful idiots to keep the shriek-factor rolling.
Title: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: Spinachcat on August 19, 2020, 10:44:07 PM
Oh noes! I found more Alt-Right propaganda!

Those huwhite supremacist neo-nutzi are at it again! Now they've brainwashed a black woman into thinking Baltimore isn't a utopia and even worse, she's running for Congress as one of those dreaded ReTHUGlicans!!!

Title: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: jhkim on August 21, 2020, 07:43:13 PM
Quote from: Slipshot762
that wikipedia definition to my eye makes nearly all communication into propaganda. it makes billy mays a propaganda minister for oxyclean. that definition is as useless as 3 of my cousins. and not nearly as sexy. that definition is crap.
Quote from: Spinachcat;1145617
Oh noes! I found more Alt-Right propaganda!

Those huwhite supremacist neo-nutzi are at it again! Now they've brainwashed a black woman into thinking Baltimore isn't a utopia and even worse, she's running for Congress as one of those dreaded ReTHUGlicans!!!

Using the terms "propaganda" as well as "brainwashing" are ways to avoid actual debate with the opposing side. It's a pointless dodge.
Title: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: Spinachcat on August 22, 2020, 06:49:48 PM
Debate? The time for debate is long done.

The house of America is on fire because leftists are out of control. We either squelch the fire and punish the arsonists, or we lose the country to the terror of your Marxist "utopia".
Title: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: Brad on August 23, 2020, 05:09:54 PM
Quote from: Spinachcat;1146024
Debate? The time for debate is long done.

The house of America is on fire because leftists are out of control. We either squelch the fire and punish the arsonists, or we lose the country to the terror of your Marxist "utopia".

Yeah, I'm done trying to be rational with leftists. I will no longer entertain their ideas or "arguments" as anything but pure propaganda meant to force us into an Orwellian dystopia. Whatever a leftist says about anything is either parroted MSM bullshit, or incoherent babble.

I am 100% serious about this...they are fucking immoral cockroaches as far as I'm concerned.
Title: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: HappyDaze on August 23, 2020, 05:19:25 PM
Quote from: Brad;1146172
Yeah, I'm done trying to be rational with leftists. I will no longer entertain their ideas or "arguments" as anything but pure propaganda meant to force us into an Orwellian dystopia. Whatever a leftist says about anything is either parroted MSM bullshit, or incoherent babble.

I am 100% serious about this...they are fucking immoral cockroaches as far as I'm concerned.
Point of fact folks, B-rad hasn't been rational for quite some time, but let the bitch act like now is the tipping point so his gaping twat can breathe a little easier.
Title: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: Pat on August 23, 2020, 05:58:15 PM
Quote from: Spinachcat;1145617
Oh noes! I found more Alt-Right propaganda!

Those huwhite supremacist neo-nutzi are at it again! Now they've brainwashed a black woman into thinking Baltimore isn't a utopia and even worse, she's running for Congress as one of those dreaded ReTHUGlicans!!!

I look her up on Ballotpedia. Kim Klacik won the Republican primary with 16,465 votes. Her opponent, Kweisi Mfume, won the Democratic primary with 113,061 votes.

She has [strike]a black Republican's chance in Baltimore[/strike] I mean a snowball's chance in hell of winning.
Title: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: SHARK on August 23, 2020, 10:36:29 PM
Quote from: Brad;1146172
Yeah, I'm done trying to be rational with leftists. I will no longer entertain their ideas or "arguments" as anything but pure propaganda meant to force us into an Orwellian dystopia. Whatever a leftist says about anything is either parroted MSM bullshit, or incoherent babble.

I am 100% serious about this...they are fucking immoral cockroaches as far as I'm concerned.

Greetings!

That's right, Brad!

You know, I have heard that the Antifa "protesters" in Portland have pissed and shit into containers--and thrown these at Police and other people. Salty Cracker also mentioned that occurring, as well as the journalist Andy Ngo.

Just the other day, the last day of the DNC, two 21 year old women--Biden supporters--attacked a 7-year old boy, his mother, and a man that sought to intervene in their defense. The boy, Riley, had his MAGA hat stolen from him, while the two women laughed, and one of the women stomped on the boy. They then assaulted the mother, and punched the man.

LEFTISTS are scum. They are shit-covered, shit-sucking cockroaches.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: Shasarak on August 24, 2020, 01:50:27 AM
Quote from: SHARK;1146191
Greetings!

That's right, Brad!

You know, I have heard that the Antifa "protesters" in Portland have pissed and shit into containers--and thrown these at Police and other people. Salty Cracker also mentioned that occurring, as well as the journalist Andy Ngo.

Just the other day, the last day of the DNC, two 21 year old women--Biden supporters--attacked a 7-year old boy, his mother, and a man that sought to intervene in their defense. The boy, Riley, had his MAGA hat stolen from him, while the two women laughed, and one of the women stomped on the boy. They then assaulted the mother, and punched the man.

LEFTISTS are scum. They are shit-covered, shit-sucking cockroaches.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK


What kind of man let's himself get attacked by two 21 year old women?

Not a real man, that's for sure.
Title: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: jhkim on August 24, 2020, 02:28:20 AM
Quote from: SHARK;1146191
Just the other day, the last day of the DNC, two 21 year old women--Biden supporters--attacked a 7-year old boy, his mother, and a man that sought to intervene in their defense. The boy, Riley, had his MAGA hat stolen from him, while the two women laughed, and one of the women stomped on the boy. They then assaulted the mother, and punched the man.
Thankfully, the women were arrested and charged.

https://www.wdel.com/news/police-make-2nd-arrest-in-theft-of-maga-hat-outside-of-democratic-convention-in-wilmington/article_46fb8780-e4c6-11ea-9ffd-0f5b95771c54.html
Title: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: SHARK on August 24, 2020, 04:15:55 AM
Quote from: jhkim;1146200
Thankfully, the women were arrested and charged.

https://www.wdel.com/news/police-make-2nd-arrest-in-theft-of-maga-hat-outside-of-democratic-convention-in-wilmington/article_46fb8780-e4c6-11ea-9ffd-0f5b95771c54.html

Greetings!

Good news, Jhkim! It's very nice to see law enforcement doing their jobs, and bringing justice to crazy, vicious criminals!:D

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: Ghostmaker on August 24, 2020, 08:11:21 AM
Quote from: Shasarak;1146199
What kind of man let's himself get attacked by two 21 year old women?

Not a real man, that's for sure.

Before you jump this guy's case, keep in mind (a) he's probably indoctrinated in the old school mentality of 'you don't hit women', and (b) he was taken completely off guard by the assault. When you get surprised like that it can take a minute for your OODA loop to kick in.
Title: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: RandyB on August 24, 2020, 09:00:20 AM
Quote from: Ghostmaker;1146224
Before you jump this guy's case, keep in mind (a) he's probably indoctrinated in the old school mentality of 'you don't hit women', and (b) he was taken completely off guard by the assault. When you get surprised like that it can take a minute for your OODA loop to kick in.

Third, as soon as he fights back, they become the 'victims'.
Title: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: Ghostmaker on August 24, 2020, 10:58:51 AM
Quote from: RandyB;1146231
Third, as soon as he fights back, they become the 'victims'.

There's that too. Remember that the law enforcement and judicial mechanisms in some of these areas are totally compromised.
Title: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: Ratman_tf on August 24, 2020, 02:33:09 PM
Quote from: Ghostmaker;1146224
Before you jump this guy's case, keep in mind (a) he's probably indoctrinated in the old school mentality of 'you don't hit women', and (b) he was taken completely off guard by the assault. When you get surprised like that it can take a minute for your OODA loop to kick in.

Yep. We have strong social, and I would even say biological imperatives to not use physical violence against women. (Doesn't mean some men don't do it, but the imperatives are there)
Which breaks down when women want to fight men, and creates a Catch-22 situation for them.
Title: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: Shasarak on August 24, 2020, 04:25:13 PM
Quote from: Ghostmaker;1146224
Before you jump this guy's case, keep in mind (a) he's probably indoctrinated in the old school mentality of 'you don't hit women', and (b) he was taken completely off guard by the assault. When you get surprised like that it can take a minute for your OODA loop to kick in.

That is a lot of rationalising.
Title: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: Ghostmaker on August 25, 2020, 08:04:52 AM
Quote from: Shasarak;1146276
That is a lot of rationalising.

Any time you want to go play with the BLM/antifa psychos, be my guest. But if you play in their sandboxes, even if you beat them down, you'll probably face criminal charges (as RandyB noted).
Title: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: Shasarak on August 25, 2020, 08:18:00 PM
Quote from: Ghostmaker;1146356
Any time you want to go play with the BLM/antifa psychos, be my guest. But if you play in their sandboxes, even if you beat them down, you'll probably face criminal charges (as RandyB noted).

You are right.  When you see children and women being beaten up it is very important to consider how you may probably face criminal charges if you intervene.
Title: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: Ghostmaker on August 25, 2020, 08:38:05 PM
Quote from: Shasarak;1146458
You are right.  When you see children and women being beaten up it is very important to consider how you may probably face criminal charges if you intervene.

Are you planning to fight the law when the deck's clearly stacked against you, Shasarak? Google Michael Strickland. Look at the McCloskeys. These activists, in concert with the institutions they hold, are out to fuck you in the ass regardless of how virtuous and brave you are.
Title: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: Shasarak on August 25, 2020, 10:26:25 PM
Quote from: Ghostmaker;1146461
Are you planning to fight the law when the deck's clearly stacked against you, Shasarak? Google Michael Strickland. Look at the McCloskeys. These activists, in concert with the institutions they hold, are out to fuck you in the ass regardless of how virtuous and brave you are.

Yes, your lawyer would advise you to walk away.  After all life is not fair and the deck is stacked against you.
Title: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: Spinachcat on August 26, 2020, 04:50:34 AM
Oh noes everybody!

Spinachcat is at it again, posting that hateful alt-right propaganda!!

That poor black wahmens was forced to speak the RNC!! Where's the virtuous white knights to save her before she votes wrong?

Title: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: Brad on August 26, 2020, 10:08:23 AM
Quote from: Ghostmaker;1146461
Are you planning to fight the law when the deck's clearly stacked against you, Shasarak? Google Michael Strickland. Look at the McCloskeys. These activists, in concert with the institutions they hold, are out to fuck you in the ass regardless of how virtuous and brave you are.

While all that is true, if some BLM rioters attacked my wife or kids the bodies would be piled up and my family would just have to visit me in prison. No fucks given.
Title: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: Ghostmaker on August 26, 2020, 11:07:38 AM
Quote from: Brad;1146538
While all that is true, if some BLM rioters attacked my wife or kids the bodies would be piled up and my family would just have to visit me in prison. No fucks given.

Understandable. I just got irked because Shasarak seemed to be a bit blithe about the repercussions of fighting back in these municipalities.
Title: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: RandyB on August 26, 2020, 11:19:39 AM
Quote from: Ghostmaker;1146546
Understandable. I just got irked because Shasarak seemed to be a bit blithe about the repercussions of fighting back in these municipalities.

It's easy for us keyboard warriors to demand courage of others and condemn them when they fail to satisfy our demand.
Title: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: HappyDaze on August 26, 2020, 11:54:41 AM
Quote from: Brad;1146538
me in prison. No fucks given.
B-rad is being modest; he would likely give many fucks in prison.
Title: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: deadDMwalking on August 26, 2020, 04:36:19 PM
Quote from: Shasarak;1144423
No, Somebody is on First.


Who's on first.
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Post by: KingCheops on August 26, 2020, 05:13:25 PM
Quote from: RandyB;1146552
It's easy for us keyboard warriors to demand courage of others and condemn them when they fail to satisfy our demand.

Kid who shot 3 rioters in Kenosha is up for Murder 1.  Probably get out of it considering the arm shot was holding a sidearm and there's pictures of kid getting hit with a skateboard by an "adult".
Title: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: Pat on August 26, 2020, 05:19:24 PM
Quote from: KingCheops;1146578
Kid who shot 3 rioters in Kenosha is up for Murder 1.  Probably get out of it considering the arm shot was holding a sidearm and there's pictures of kid getting hit with a skateboard by an "adult".

You have to be 18 to open carry in Wisconsin, he brought the gun across state lines, and committing a crime negates self-defense in that state. So he's probably fucked, even though it was a clear case of self-defense. They're also claiming he fled across state lines to escape justice, when the video literally shows him trying to surrender to police immediately after the incident, and across state lines means he lives 5 minutes away.
Title: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: RandyB on August 26, 2020, 05:29:52 PM
Quote from: KingCheops;1146578
Kid who shot 3 rioters in Kenosha is up for Murder 1.  Probably get out of it considering the arm shot was holding a sidearm and there's pictures of kid getting hit with a skateboard by an "adult".

Kid showed his own courage. The arrest and charge are pure power play. Here's hoping the kid isn't one of the casualties of this war.
Title: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: KingCheops on August 26, 2020, 06:52:03 PM
I live in the communist part of Soviet Canuckistan so I didn't realize that Kenosha was right on the state line like that.  Yeah looks really bad for that kid.  I have very little sympathy for the LARPer who thought writing "Paramedic" on his hat made him immune to real world consequences.  Play stupid games win stupid prizes.
Title: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: Pat on August 26, 2020, 07:19:42 PM
https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/crime/2020/08/26/wisconsin-open-carry-law-kyle-rittenhouse-legally-have-gun-kenosha-protest-shooting-17-year-old/3444231001/
Milwaukee Journal Sentinel consulted some experts, including a lawyer who specializes in gun rights cases and a concealed carry instructor, who think it was both legal for Rittenhouse to carry the weapon, and that he properly acted in self-defense, including retreating. There's still some ambiguity, which will have to be resolved by a jury, but he's in a stronger position than I thought.
Title: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: Shasarak on August 26, 2020, 07:23:50 PM
Quote from: RandyB;1146552
It's easy for us keyboard warriors to demand courage of others and condemn them when they fail to satisfy our demand.

I especially like the pearl clutching and rationisations.

Oh no, why wont anyone do anything?  Think of the children!
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Post by: Spinachcat on August 27, 2020, 03:57:32 AM
Quote from: RandyB;1146582
Kid showed his own courage. The arrest and charge are pure power play. Here's hoping the kid isn't one of the casualties of this war.


The video is pretty shocking. I doubt a jury will tolerate any attempt to harm someone so clearly under attack and trying to save their own life. I won't be surprised if the charges get dropped in a couple weeks. Even if the prosecutors go full retard, I can see a jury either refusing to convict or just being unable to come to any consensus. AKA, something I suspect we'll see at the St. George Kirby trial as well.
Title: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: Ghostmaker on August 27, 2020, 08:14:56 AM
Quote from: Spinachcat;1146635
The video is pretty shocking. I doubt a jury will tolerate any attempt to harm someone so clearly under attack and trying to save their own life. I won't be surprised if the charges get dropped in a couple weeks. Even if the prosecutors go full retard, I can see a jury either refusing to convict or just being unable to come to any consensus. AKA, something I suspect we'll see at the St. George Kirby trial as well.

You mean how the coroner just stated Floyd died from all the garbage he'd shot up, including enough fentanyl to kill a man?

I mean, there goes the murder charge, aaaaaaaaaaaand it's gone. They might be able to hit Chauvin on manslaughter, and I've stated before that Chauvin bears some responsibility because it was beholden upon him to see to Floyd's well being, as Floyd was his prisoner. The case may be completely shot at this point though.

As far as Rittenhouse goes, it's hard to say. They MIGHT be able to tag Kyle on a weapons charge, but I really want to see the jury that'll convict a 17 year old trying to defend himself from raving sex fiends and convicted thugs.
Title: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: RandyB on August 27, 2020, 08:52:45 AM
Quote from: Spinachcat;1146635
The video is pretty shocking. I doubt a jury will tolerate any attempt to harm someone so clearly under attack and trying to save their own life. I won't be surprised if the charges get dropped in a couple weeks. Even if the prosecutors go full retard, I can see a jury either refusing to convict or just being unable to come to any consensus. AKA, something I suspect we'll see at the St. George Kirby trial as well.

Quote from: Ghostmaker;1146650
You mean how the coroner just stated Floyd died from all the garbage he'd shot up, including enough fentanyl to kill a man?

I mean, there goes the murder charge, aaaaaaaaaaaand it's gone. They might be able to hit Chauvin on manslaughter, and I've stated before that Chauvin bears some responsibility because it was beholden upon him to see to Floyd's well being, as Floyd was his prisoner. The case may be completely shot at this point though.

As far as Rittenhouse goes, it's hard to say. They MIGHT be able to tag Kyle on a weapons charge, but I really want to see the jury that'll convict a 17 year old trying to defend himself from raving sex fiends and convicted thugs.

The process is the punishment, even if acquitted.

Which sucks egregiously.
Title: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: Ghostmaker on August 27, 2020, 11:32:09 AM
Quote from: RandyB;1146654
The process is the punishment, even if acquitted.

Which sucks egregiously.

Can't argue that. However, with public opinion turning hard against qualified immunity, spurious or false indictments could become a millstone around a prosecutor's neck.
Title: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: Spinachcat on August 27, 2020, 09:35:43 PM
Quote from: RandyB;1146654
The process is the punishment, even if acquitted.
Which sucks egregiously.

True, but allegedly Nick Sandmann's attorneys are coming to Rittenhouse's defense.
https://amgreatness.com/2020/08/27/67740/ (https://amgreatness.com/2020/08/27/67740/)

"If there is something I can do, Kyle will not need to pay me," Linn tweeted. "God has blessed me with enough & enough is always enough. These charges must be dismissed as video clearly shows justified acts of self-defense. When dismissed, accusers should be held accountable & they should pay."

AKA, hang in their Kyle. Once the criminal charges are done, you gonna be picking out beach houses like Sandmann.

BTW, that link has CRAZY info from the mighty Andy Ngo. According to Ngo, all three of the bullet catchers had criminal records.
Title: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: GeekyBugle on August 27, 2020, 09:42:08 PM
Quote from: Spinachcat;1146728
True, but allegedly Nick Sandmann's attorneys are coming to Rittenhouse's defense.
https://amgreatness.com/2020/08/27/67740/ (https://amgreatness.com/2020/08/27/67740/)

"If there is something I can do, Kyle will not need to pay me," Linn tweeted. "God has blessed me with enough & enough is always enough. These charges must be dismissed as video clearly shows justified acts of self-defense. When dismissed, accusers should be held accountable & they should pay."

AKA, hang in their Kyle. Once the criminal charges are done, you gonna be picking out beach houses like Sandmann.

BTW, that link has CRAZY info from the mighty Andy Ngo. According to Ngo, all three of the bullet catchers had criminal records.

Plus the friend of the one with one arm said his friend regrets not being able to kill Kyle. Me thinks this kid's self defense suddenly went from strong to unassailable.

SAUCE (https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1299086141329563648)
Title: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: Pat on August 27, 2020, 09:57:08 PM
Quote from: Spinachcat;1146728
True, but allegedly Nick Sandmann's attorneys are coming to Rittenhouse's defense.
They say they haven't even gotten in touch with Rittenhouse's family. A lawyer announcing they're taking on a case, without even talking to the people they plan to defend, feels really skeevy.

Though the kid definitely needs some help. I used Google maps to look at his address, and it's a basic cheap apartment complex. His family does not have money.
Title: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: Spinachcat on August 27, 2020, 10:47:57 PM
Quote from: Pat;1146735
A lawyer announcing they're taking on a case, without even talking to the people they plan to defend, feels really skeevy.

It's remarkably common, and not even for high profile cases. In fact, we had a legal client contact us to look into duplicate representations and we found there's a company who produces boilerplate web pages based on news reports and funnels them to the websites of law firms so in 10 minutes, I found 8 lawyers all "representing" the same family as my client.

However, after the success of the Sandmann case and the pro bono offer, I'd be surprised if Kyle's family don't leap on the offer.

But I'm not a fan of the pre-announce either.
Title: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: Steven Mitchell on August 28, 2020, 12:04:20 AM
Quote from: Spinachcat;1146741
It's remarkably common, and not even for high profile cases. In fact, we had a legal client contact us to look into duplicate representations and we found there's a company who produces boilerplate web pages based on news reports and funnels them to the websites of law firms so in 10 minutes, I found 8 lawyers all "representing" the same family as my client.

However, after the success of the Sandmann case and the pro bono offer, I'd be surprised if Kyle's family don't leap on the offer.

But I'm not a fan of the pre-announce either.

He didn't say he was going to represent the kid.  It's not his area of law.  He said that we would see to it that he got good representation--at the exact time that the GoFundMe account was being taken down to do the same thing.  It's a shot across the bow--this kid is going to get real representation despite the lawfare directed against him.
Title: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: Ratman_tf on August 28, 2020, 03:17:18 AM
Quote from: Ghostmaker;1146650
You mean how the coroner just stated Floyd died from all the garbage he'd shot up, including enough fentanyl to kill a man?

This is big. They pushed the narrative that Chauvin murdered him due to racism, and this is going to be a golden ticket to finding him Not Guilty.
But the narrative is bigger than any facts, and the riots when Chavuin gets off are very likely to make what we've seen so far look like a birthday party.
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Post by: SHARK on August 28, 2020, 05:21:25 AM
Quote from: Ratman_tf;1146758
This is big. They pushed the narrative that Chauvin murdered him due to racism, and this is going to be a golden ticket to finding him Not Guilty.
But the narrative is bigger than any facts, and the riots when Chavuin gets off are very likely to make what we've seen so far look like a birthday party.

Greetings!

Well, good! Fuck the Commie bastards and the rioting scum!



These will prove to be very useful.:D

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: Ghostmaker on August 28, 2020, 08:23:22 AM
Quote from: Steven Mitchell;1146749
He didn't say he was going to represent the kid.  It's not his area of law.  He said that we would see to it that he got good representation--at the exact time that the GoFundMe account was being taken down to do the same thing.  It's a shot across the bow--this kid is going to get real representation despite the lawfare directed against him.


I'm really getting tired of GFM's bullshit. They play favorites and it's blatantly obvious where their loyalties lie.
Title: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: Ratman_tf on August 28, 2020, 03:07:19 PM
Quote from: SHARK;1146761
Greetings!

Well, good! Fuck the Commie bastards and the rioting scum!



These will prove to be very useful.:D

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

You fool. This is exactly what they want. Divide and conquer. Mobs of angry civilians blasting at each other.
Title: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: Brad on August 28, 2020, 03:26:02 PM
Quote from: Ratman_tf;1146806
You fool. This is exactly what they want. Divide and conquer. Mobs of angry civilians blasting at each other.

I'm okay with that.
Title: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: Ghostmaker on August 28, 2020, 04:02:06 PM
Quote from: Ratman_tf;1146806
You fool. This is exactly what they want. Divide and conquer. Mobs of angry civilians blasting at each other.

Too late, Ratman.

https://twitter.com/RonColeman/status/1299006985979990016

Read the thread. Please. It's pretty on the nose regarding the 'vast divide' now.
Title: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: SHARK on August 28, 2020, 05:29:33 PM
Greetings!

Of course civilians should defend themselves and their communities. The hour is fast approaching. I hope the government crushes them. However, as we have seen, the government at various levels has been infiltrated by fucking Communists, which derail and pervert justice, and seek to oppress good citizens. In chaotic, dangerous, increasingly lawless times--and environments--this is precisely what the 2nd Amendment is for.

So, the Marxists and rioters get what's coming to them.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: Ratman_tf on August 28, 2020, 07:15:26 PM
Quote from: Ghostmaker;1146812
Too late, Ratman.

https://twitter.com/RonColeman/status/1299006985979990016

Read the thread. Please. It's pretty on the nose regarding the 'vast divide' now.

Then we're fucked. The solution for this guy is to get a shotgun and blast everyone who disagrees with him politically. Do it now while he has the element of surprise.

I really don't want that for America, and I'll fight, however hopeless it may be, for de-escalation.
Title: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: HappyDaze on August 28, 2020, 07:18:47 PM
Quote from: Ratman_tf;1146833
Then we're fucked. The solution for this guy is to get a shotgun and blast everyone who disagrees with him politically. Do it now while he has the element of surprise.

I really don't want that for America, and I'll fight, however hopeless it may be, for de-escalation.

Well, shit; I got nothing nasty to say to this. Glad to see that not everyone here is out for blood.
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Post by: Ratman_tf on August 28, 2020, 07:27:09 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze;1146834
Well, shit; I got nothing nasty to say to this. Glad to see that not everyone here is out for blood.

You fucking pussy. You gave up on rational discussion for infantile insults long before this. Don't pretend you care about it when you agree with something.
Title: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: SHARK on August 28, 2020, 07:39:55 PM
Quote from: Ratman_tf;1146833
Then we're fucked. The solution for this guy is to get a shotgun and blast everyone who disagrees with him politically. Do it now while he has the element of surprise.

I really don't want that for America, and I'll fight, however hopeless it may be, for de-escalation.

Greetings!

I hope de-escalation can work, Ratman. I don't think that the Marxists however are interested in de-escalating anything. I believe law and order must be enforced, or we are going to see more fighting, more conflict, with more and more people killed. Good Americans can't just bow down to the BLM and Antifa mobs, my friend. When is enough enough? In many areas, increasingly, the police can't or won't intervene to save you. You are left facing the bloodthirsty mob on your own.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: HappyDaze on August 28, 2020, 08:05:59 PM
Quote from: Ratman_tf;1146836
You fucking pussy. You gave up on rational discussion for infantile insults long before this. Don't pretend you care about it when you agree with something.


Even when I'm freely spewing shit, I aim much of the stream at those encouraging and glorifying violence. Face facts snookums, you agree with me on something. Enjoy that feeling.
Title: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: Ratman_tf on August 28, 2020, 09:18:19 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze;1146842
Even when I'm freely spewing shit, I aim much of the stream at those encouraging and glorifying violence. Face facts snookums, you agree with me on something. Enjoy that feeling.


I'm sure we agree on a lot of things. You just have no place to criticize from since you fell into your childish tantrum.
You defeated yourself when you admitted you were willingly descending into the shit in order to sling it at others.
Title: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: Ratman_tf on August 28, 2020, 09:27:04 PM
Quote from: SHARK;1146839
Greetings!

I hope de-escalation can work, Ratman. I don't think that the Marxists however are interested in de-escalating anything. I believe law and order must be enforced, or we are going to see more fighting, more conflict, with more and more people killed. Good Americans can't just bow down to the BLM and Antifa mobs, my friend. When is enough enough? In many areas, increasingly, the police can't or won't intervene to save you. You are left facing the bloodthirsty mob on your own.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

I think people have a right to defend themselves. I think it's important to restore order to the areas being hit by riots. I also think the important work is being done by people who say no to the madness.



My line is the desire to seek out conflict. I don't think we're at the point where we should start gunning down Marxists simply for being Marxists. And goading it on makes me concerned.
Title: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: Steven Mitchell on August 28, 2020, 09:59:15 PM
We are way past that line already, only it has been almost entirely one-sided.  Normal people have been extremely reserved, all things considered.  It's not seeking out conflict to note that this can't last in the face of escalating provocation.  I'm shocked that we've made it this far without it blowing completely up.  

We are to the point where the guy on roof threatening to jump is leaning out, not holding anything, in the rain and the wind.  It's not encouraging him to jump to note that he's already past the point where he could fall any moment.
Title: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: Ratman_tf on August 28, 2020, 10:09:27 PM
Quote from: Steven Mitchell;1146850
We are way past that line already, only it has been almost entirely one-sided.  Normal people have been extremely reserved, all things considered.  It's not seeking out conflict to note that this can't last in the face of escalating provocation.  I'm shocked that we've made it this far without it blowing completely up.  

We are to the point where the guy on roof threatening to jump is leaning out, not holding anything, in the rain and the wind.  It's not encouraging him to jump to note that he's already past the point where he could fall any moment.

So do you think we should pre-emptivley strike at them? Organize a militia to attack BLM and Antifa gatherings?
Title: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: HappyDaze on August 28, 2020, 10:32:37 PM
Quote from: Ratman_tf;1146845
I'm sure we agree on a lot of things. You just have no place to criticize from since you fell into your childish tantrum.
You defeated yourself when you admitted you were willingly descending into the shit in order to sling it at others.

Funny, I don't feel defeated and there's plenty of room here to criticize from...

Well, I guess we disagree again. Oh, well.
Title: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: Steven Mitchell on August 28, 2020, 11:01:48 PM
Quote from: Ratman_tf;1146852
So do you think we should pre-emptivley strike at them? Organize a militia to attack BLM and Antifa gatherings?

No.  I'm advocating no such thing.  It's a miracle that it hasn't happened already, and I'm grateful.  I'm also saying that "pre-emptive" is the wrong word for describing the situation as it has existed for some weeks now.  Despite not supporting any kind of vigilante actions against even the scum, if it were to happen it would be a retaliation after way too much provocation.  It would be, in some cases and some places, justified in the literal sense that there are people in those organizations that have it coming.  Nonetheless, I don't support those actions because I think they would be counter-productive.  

I wouldn't organize any such thing.  I wouldn't participate in any such thing.  I will not support it in any such way.  If someone ends up in a confrontation with one of those jackasses and kills him--and I end up on the jury--I'm a near guarantee vote for nullification--not least because I believe the press and officials on the ground are lying their asses of.  They've already been caught multiple times fabricating evidence.  

I don't know if I can be any more clear.  I'm not happy about any of this.  The same way I wouldn't be happy if someone broke into my house in the middle of the night and I had to kill him.  But sometimes you have to do what is necessary and just even if you'd rather not.
Title: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: Ratman_tf on August 29, 2020, 12:04:05 AM
Quote from: Steven Mitchell;1146856
No.  I'm advocating no such thing.  It's a miracle that it hasn't happened already, and I'm grateful.  I'm also saying that "pre-emptive" is the wrong word for describing the situation as it has existed for some weeks now.  Despite not supporting any kind of vigilante actions against even the scum, if it were to happen it would be a retaliation after way too much provocation.  It would be, in some cases and some places, justified in the literal sense that there are people in those organizations that have it coming.  Nonetheless, I don't support those actions because I think they would be counter-productive.  

I wouldn't organize any such thing.  I wouldn't participate in any such thing.  I will not support it in any such way.  If someone ends up in a confrontation with one of those jackasses and kills him--and I end up on the jury--I'm a near guarantee vote for nullification--not least because I believe the press and officials on the ground are lying their asses of.  They've already been caught multiple times fabricating evidence.  

I don't know if I can be any more clear.  I'm not happy about any of this.  The same way I wouldn't be happy if someone broke into my house in the middle of the night and I had to kill him.  But sometimes you have to do what is necessary and just even if you'd rather not.

That's fine, man. I wanted clarification, not to accuse you of anything.
Title: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: Brad on August 29, 2020, 12:10:56 AM
Just make sure you use silver buckshot, gents. Cover your bases.
Title: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: RandyB on August 29, 2020, 09:52:15 AM
Quote from: Ratman_tf;1146859
That's fine, man. I wanted clarification, not to accuse you of anything.

Don't mistake prediction for prescription. Seeing what is coming is vastly different from desiring it.
Title: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: Ghostmaker on August 29, 2020, 12:26:31 PM
Quote from: Ratman_tf;1146833
Then we're fucked. The solution for this guy is to get a shotgun and blast everyone who disagrees with him politically. Do it now while he has the element of surprise.

I really don't want that for America, and I'll fight, however hopeless it may be, for de-escalation.


A hundred Sarajevos. That was the term I used to describe the results of civil war here in the U.S.

I'm not exactly dancing in the street here either, but there's a difference between 'I want this to happen' and 'I think this is happening'.

I've been wrong before. Maybe we'll get lucky and I'll be wrong again.
Title: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: SHARK on August 29, 2020, 02:33:33 PM
Greetings!

Indeed, I do hope that there is a way in which peace can be enforced. My original comment though was aimed more at the spectre of the Left launching an even more violent frenzy of riots after the election in which Trump wins.

Fuck that. I have zero patience for these rebels. If they escalate the rebellion, then they should be crushed utterly.

I do not expect to go looking for trouble from anyone--but I am certainly ready to stand against these rebels and defend my friends, neighbors, and community from them if they think they can march against America here where I live. I'll be damned if I'd stand by and let them murder, burn, and loot here. Ain't fucking happening.

In that, I say bring down the thunder.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: Chris24601 on August 29, 2020, 06:08:49 PM
I think one thing to bear in mind though is that the actual nut jobs doing all the provocation are not actually that numerous; they just have a very sympathetic media and politicians backed by people with a very specific agenda amplifying the appearance of them.

Take Portland for example. Every report I've seen pegs the number of rioters in the low hundreds, maybe at their peak a thousand-ish. But the population of Portland is (or was anyway) 650 thousand. That means the trouble there is coming from somewhere between 0.05% and 0.15% of the population there (and not all of them are even locals).

These riots also just aren't happening outside of specific locales where complicit DAs, mayors and governors are in position to prevent the normal consequences for rioting. Early on we had an attempt at rioting in out city and the mayor shut it down cold with arrests and charges the moment it stopped being peaceful.

That means nationwide the violent extremists are an even smaller percentage... 0.01% or less.

I'd say nationwide it shakes out about like this;

-0.01% violent extremists and criminal opportunists (i.e. arson, violent attacks on others, looting/mugging).
-0.1% useful idiots (i.e. willing to chant and scream, but will scatter the moment there's any pushback).
-1% strong sympathizers (feel the violence is justified, but won't commit to it themselves).
-10% weak sympathizers (the ones who say the riots are "mostly peaceful").

If it comes to violence, only the violent extremist category would put up a meaniful fight. The VAST majority CAN actually be de-escalated just fine once the violent fringe has been dealt with (I would prefer via criminal charges and the rule of law) and the rest once again realize there are consequences for actions.

And that last part is the trick of it though; because on the opposite end with the patriots you're probably looking at slightly larger, but still in the same order of magnitude, numbers willing to fight if the Leftists carry 2020.

Essentially the Left wins or loses due to the overwhelming apathy of the middle who just want to live their lives. If President Trump carries the day there aren't enough violent extremists to overthrow him and the rest won't put their lives on the line to fight it... they'll just gripe on social media. If Biden/Harris/Pelosi win there won't be enough willing to fight to the death to overcome the violent Left backed by the power of government and everyone else will gripe about it on social media.
Title: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: Ratman_tf on August 29, 2020, 07:33:12 PM
Quote from: Chris24601;1146920
-0.01% violent extremists and criminal opportunists (i.e. arson, violent attacks on others, looting/mugging).
-0.1% useful idiots (i.e. willing to chant and scream, but will scatter the moment there's any pushback).
-1% strong sympathizers (feel the violence is justified, but won't commit to it themselves).
-10% weak sympathizers (the ones who say the riots are "mostly peaceful").

A good point, and another of my concerns. A protest can include rioters and vice versa. In the middle of an altercation, telling friend from foe and combatant from non-combatant in these circumstances can be tricky.
Part of the problem is there is so much "fog of war" surrounding everything.
Title: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: jeff37923 on August 29, 2020, 07:37:19 PM
As to the rioters and protesters themselves, I keep reading and hearing how most of the instigators (that -0.01%) are being bused in from other places. Who is coordinating the transportation? Who is paying for the transportation?

I don't want to go all conspiracy theory, but this just seems way too organized.
Title: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: Ratman_tf on August 29, 2020, 08:49:39 PM
Quote from: jeff37923;1146924
As to the rioters and protesters themselves, I keep reading and hearing how most of the instigators (that -0.01%) are being bused in from other places. Who is coordinating the transportation? Who is paying for the transportation?

I don't want to go all conspiracy theory, but this just seems way too organized.

I don't know for certain, but I suspect they organize themselves over social media and email. I think the Democrat party and elected "progressives" have a tiger by the tail. Very similar to George Bridges of Evergreen State College fame. They think they can ride the social justice wave to votes and power, but if they let go of the tiger's tail, they get eaten, so to speak.
Title: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: KingCheops on August 29, 2020, 08:58:27 PM
Nothing's going to happen.  The police are still in place and the DemonKKKrats are starting to wake up that no one likes this shit.  They only way any pushback would come is if there were actually no police.  Everyone who hates this respects law and order and are already scared to death of losing their house, wife, children, job and aren't going to risk that to fight some transgender unicorn slam poet from Portland.
Title: Re: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: Samsquantch on September 16, 2020, 05:58:58 PM
Greetings!

I don't have some "imaginary" vision of America. I know it has existed, and remains to this day. However, America is under attack and being undermined by people that hate America, by Marxists and Globalists. I don't think we as Americans should kneel to them. I don't think Americans should appease the traitors in our midst, those that are out in the streets killing innocent people, attacking, burning and looting. Americans everywhere need to stand against the Marxists seeking to overthrow our nation.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK



Well said.
Title: Re: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: Spinachcat on September 16, 2020, 08:42:48 PM
America's unwillingness to take on the rioters and their supporters is why this country is lost.
 History shows us the "civilized" lose to the mobs and when its far too late, flail and cry when the chains of communism are strapped upon them.

Even if Trump wins, he's just a speedbump in the road. Trump (nor any president) cannot drain the marxist poison from our schools, media and disintegrating culture. We've lost two generations to SJW idiocy and they will lead the rest of us into collapse.
Communism thrives during depressions, and Harris/Biden have such nonsense economic policy (especially combined with the CoronaHoax) that the 2020s will look like the 1930s in no time.

And the mob won't stop when they get Harris/Biden. They know the DNC will bow and concede over and over again. The next AOC and next Omar will be even more radical. 

I'd like to believe there's enough American spirit left to deliver a hundred Sarajevos and revolt against these scum, but Republicans have proven they just retreat and seethe, maybe take out their aggression at the gun range, but for all intents and purposes, they will just kneel.
Maybe there will be balkanization during a Depression, but the bulk of patriots are older and as I've said before, the communists just need to wait us out.
Title: Re: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: Spinachcat on September 16, 2020, 08:47:51 PM
Everyone who hates this respects law and order and are already scared to death of losing their house, wife, children, job and aren't going to risk that to fight some transgender unicorn slam poet from Portland.

And that's EXACTLY how America falls.

The Founding Fathers could have sat back, fat and happy, on their plantations being rich men in a new land. Sure, they had to pay high taxes and have no representation in Parliament, but who wants to fight a revolution when you can just take a knee?

Title: Re: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: Samsquantch on September 16, 2020, 09:01:15 PM
Quote from: jeff37923;1144366
Math. Can't forget that math is racist.

That's the saddest part, at least to me.

Math is as impersonal as it gets. Numbers don't give a shit about your race. But they're so desperate to derange everything as 'white supremacy' they'll wind up making themselves educationally backwards if not illiterate.


Shades of Pol Pot, no?
Title: Re: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: Delete_me on September 16, 2020, 09:39:50 PM
Quote from: Ghostmaker;1146650
You mean how the coroner just stated Floyd died from all the garbage he'd shot up, including enough fentanyl to kill a man?
But the narrative is bigger than any facts, and the riots when Chavuin gets off are very likely to make what we've seen so far look like a birthday party.
Yeah, the narrative is bigger than the facts here. Specifically, the narrative that fentanyl killed George Floyd (https://www.kare11.com/article/news/local/george-floyd/new-court-docs-say-george-floyd-had-fatal-level-of-fentanyl-in-his-system/89-ed69d09d-a9ec-481c-90fe-7acd4ead3d04). Since people, once again, seem to be unable to distinguish narrative from fact:


It's a fact that Floyd had some level of fentanyl in system.
It's a fact that lower levels than Floyd's have been ruled the cause of death (meaning at least 1 case exists).
It's a fact that Floyd had a "heavy heart" -- a specific medical condition.
It's a fact that those conditions made Floyd's death more likely.

It's a narrative that those caused his death.

It's a fact that the medical coroner said the cause of death was being fucking choked. (https://www.medpagetoday.com/blogs/working-stiff/86913)

It's a fact that the District Attorney's literal job is to present a narrative that best defends the officer in question here.
It's a fact that the standard of care an officer usually has to show is attenuated to the individual.
Consider the fentanyl claim very carefully. Note how the defense attorney phrases it: 11 ml  of fentanyl in his system when 3 is known to kill. Is known to kill. Not is likely to kill. Not will probably kill. Not even may kill. It's is known to kill. That's deliberately chosen to be true, and meaningless. That means at least 1 person has died from that level. And that person? Probably had underlying conditions much worse than Floyd's.

There is a narrative here, but it's not what you think it is. It's the story of a really good defense lawyer (that is... a form of propaganda).
Title: Re: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: Pat on September 16, 2020, 09:51:06 PM
Quote from: Ghostmaker;1146650
You mean how the coroner just stated Floyd died from all the garbage he'd shot up, including enough fentanyl to kill a man?
But the narrative is bigger than any facts, and the riots when Chavuin gets off are very likely to make what we've seen so far look like a birthday party.
Yeah, the narrative is bigger than the facts here. Specifically, the narrative that fentanyl killed George Floyd (https://www.kare11.com/article/news/local/george-floyd/new-court-docs-say-george-floyd-had-fatal-level-of-fentanyl-in-his-system/89-ed69d09d-a9ec-481c-90fe-7acd4ead3d04). Since people, once again, seem to be unable to distinguish narrative from fact:


It's a fact that Floyd had some level of fentanyl in system.
It's a fact that lower levels than Floyd's have been ruled the cause of death (meaning at least 1 case exists).
It's a fact that Floyd had a "heavy heart" -- a specific medical condition.
It's a fact that those conditions made Floyd's death more likely.

It's a narrative that those caused his death.

It's a fact that the medical coroner said the cause of death was being fucking choked. (https://www.medpagetoday.com/blogs/working-stiff/86913)

It's a fact that the District Attorney's literal job is to present a narrative that best defends the officer in question here.
It's a fact that the standard of care an officer usually has to show is attenuated to the individual.
Consider the fentanyl claim very carefully. Note how the defense attorney phrases it: 11 ml  of fentanyl in his system when 3 is known to kill. Is known to kill. Not is likely to kill. Not will probably kill. Not even may kill. It's is known to kill. That's deliberately chosen to be true, and meaningless. That means at least 1 person has died from that level. And that person? Probably had underlying conditions much worse than Floyd's.

There is a narrative here, but it's not what you think it is. It's the story of a really good defense lawyer.
I haven't been following this very closely, but the best analysis I've seen is this article:
https://medium.com/@gavrilodavid/why-derek-chauvin-may-get-off-his-murder-charge-2e2ad8d0911
Which disagrees with the points you're making.

Quote from: Medium article
The parallel to our current case does not end here. An official autopsy declared cause of death “sudden respiratory arrest following physical struggling restraint due to cocaine-induced excited delirium.” The legal team hired Dr. Michael Baden, who testified that Lewis died from “asphyxia caused by neck compression.” Baden is the same medical examiner who was hired by the George Floyd family, and made a similar finding. Baden is also the same medical examiner who was hired for Eric Garner, and declared death by “compression of the neck”. Baden is also the same medical examiner who was hired by the Brown family to examine Michael Brown, and Baden found that Brown died while surrendering, an assertion totally disproven by a DoJ investigation spearheaded by AG Eric Holder under Obama. Suffice it to say, Michael Baden has a very specific interest, and a very tenuous track record. The Court will be aware of this when weighing the autopsies.

Quote from: Medium article
This level of fentanyl is dangerous. One review of fentanyl overdoses found a median amount of ng/mL in an overdose to be approximately 10 ng/mL:

Quote
    Despite the ubiquitous presence of multiple drugs in these decedents, the effects of fentanyl were evidently so strong that there were no statistical differences in the fentanyl level (mean and standard deviation) with or without the presence of these co-intoxicants. The range of fentanyl levels was wide, from 0.75 to 113.00 ng/mL, with an average of 9.96 ng/mL.

Compare this information to an article published in Frontiers of Physiology detailing medical findings in ExDS deaths:

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    Many patients with excited delirium also have significant cardiovascular and psychiatric diseases. Autopsies often reveal severe atherosclerosis, cardiomyopathy and diabetes. Cardiomyopathy results from chronic cocaine and methamphetamine abuse. Atherosclerosis and diabetes can also be the result of smoking, obesity and a lack of overall health care. The combination of the metabolic arrest with severe cardiovascular disease makes a successful resuscitation highly unlikely.
The two articles sub-quoted above:
https://ndews.umd.edu/sites/ndews.umd.edu/files/ndews-hotspot-unintentional-fentanyl-overdoses-in-new-hampshire-final-09-11-17.pdf
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5061757/

Note I'm not debating anything, I don't really care much about this topic. I'm just providing an article that seems quite thorough.
Title: Re: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: Delete_me on September 16, 2020, 10:02:55 PM
I haven't been following this very closely, but the best analysis I've seen is this article:
https://medium.com/@gavrilodavid/why-derek-chauvin-may-get-off-his-murder-charge-2e2ad8d0911 (https://medium.com/@gavrilodavid/why-derek-chauvin-may-get-off-his-murder-charge-2e2ad8d0911)
Which disagrees with the points you're making.
It does, but it does so badly: read the 2 articles I cited and read Medium's article very closely. Both of those articles roundly destroy Medium's take on it. The second article I cited, especially, goes over each of those 6 points and explains why they are not evidence for what Medium seems to think they are (but how, to the layperson, myself included, it would look that way). (Plus, Medium's 6th point is exactly the opposite of what the coroner's report said; like... 100%.)

Huh... actually, that 6th point alone is reason to question the entire article. In their in-depth analysis, they don't use the coroner's report at all. They use statistical averages from a single study of the weight of a single-knee and double knee restraint on the body. The coroner's report actually explains why the force was sufficient based on the trauma found. (That is, the statistical data here does not help in any way, shape, or form, get to the truth of what happened in THIS incident.)

And this part:

Quote from: Medium article
This level of fentanyl is dangerous. One review of fentanyl overdoses found a median amount of ng/mL in an overdose to be approximately 10 ng/mL:

Quote
    Despite the ubiquitous presence of multiple drugs in these decedents, the effects of fentanyl were evidently so strong that there were no statistical differences in the fentanyl level (mean and standard deviation) with or without the presence of these co-intoxicants. The range of fentanyl levels was wide, from 0.75 to 113.00 ng/mL, with an average of 9.96 ng/mL.

Compare this information to an article published in Frontiers of Physiology detailing medical findings in ExDS deaths:

Quote
    Many patients with excited delirium also have significant cardiovascular and psychiatric diseases. Autopsies often reveal severe atherosclerosis, cardiomyopathy and diabetes. Cardiomyopathy results from chronic cocaine and methamphetamine abuse. Atherosclerosis and diabetes can also be the result of smoking, obesity and a lack of overall health care. The combination of the metabolic arrest with severe cardiovascular disease makes a successful resuscitation highly unlikely.
Doesn't actually address what the defense lawyer is doing. Nor does it clearly establish this was the cause of death, which is the issue in question. The second article I cited also laid out clearly how even if this is the case, that actually is just more evidence that the standard of care should have been HIGHER in this case (meaning even more reason not to choke), not lower.

Quote
Note I'm not debating anything, I don't really care much about this topic. I'm just providing an article that seems quite thorough.
I appreciate the extra perspectives. I always welcome more data and input.  :)
Title: Re: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: Samsquantch on September 16, 2020, 10:16:11 PM
I have watched the political scene in the USA for decades because what happens there inevitably comes north into my country. I hated W and the neocons because they were so obviously corrupt. At the time my country had Jean Chretien as PM, from the liberal party. He was corrupt too and had scandal after scandal but he kept us out of invading Iraq which I agreed with because it was an illegal war. We joined the US in Afghanistan because the evidence at the time supported Al Queda as the ones responsible. Then came Obama and the promise of change. We all know how that turned out and my country flipped to a conservative government under Harper and he was just as corrupt as Chretien and sold us out to the Chinese as often as he could.


I watched the run up to 2016 very closely because Clinton was and always has been dirty as hell going back to Watergate and earlier. When I saw Trump running for the GOP I was sure he was working with Clinton because they had ben friends in the 80s and 90s and he donated to Bill many times... He had to be Trojan horse for sure... But then he got support and won the candidacy and things got interesting... I thought for sure he'd run a poor campaign and hand the white house to Hillary but he didn't. He went after her tooth and nail the media turned on him with coordination and a determination the likes of which I have never seen... This raised a ton of alarm bells for me because never had the media assembled like that even against W. There were the standard attacks and digs alright but not the outright lies and attacks and defamation that Trump suffered and still does. The media refused to report on anything positive he did and falsified information to use against him. Things that Obama did and said and were wildly supported were now forgotten and evil now that Trump took the same positions or continued the policies Obama had. Now those same positions and policies were evil and racist despite being enacted under Obama. And everyone ate it up like God's own truth..


Something was up for sure. The resistance he's had at every turn and by nefarious methods is a huge red flag that the establishment did not want this non-career politician in the oval office at all. Two scoops of ice cream became a weeks long news item..


Never before has a president set foot in North Korea let alone brokered a peace deal, and now two historic peace deals in the middle east... And he still gets shit on for it. As a soldier (retired) I have never seen a US president not start a war or invasion in my lifetime and I am astounded he's not been lauded as a peacekeeper. No soldier yearns for war because they know what it means to take lives and see their friends die around them. But the media demands war with Iran or NK, and takes the opposite stance to whatever he takes and the democrats do too. And they expect us to be so stupid and frail of memory to not remember or see through them when they lie to our faces. Never before have I seen such corruption and 2020 is the culmination of that. We see it everywhere. Riots, looting, assassinations in the street and open season on people supporting the duly elected president. To the world the USA represents freedom and democracy and the right to exercise your political freedom. It's supposed to be the model for the world, a shining example of how things should be... But look now. Look how people are afraid to speak common sense or support the president or show pride in their own country because they will be beaten or lose their jobs and be cancelled. You're called racist and a white supremacist (even if your black or brown) for waving your own flag by a mobs of Marxist anarchists and useful idiots blinded by propaganda and ideologies so twisted and baseless that they can't even see through it.


I look at the USA and I weep because if Trump can't stop it and the election is stolen (honestly, voter id works for many countries including Canada with none of the horrors the Dems claim accompany it) you will face war in the streets. They're already laying the ground work with claims that the election will only go for biden and Trump won't concede. And when that war comes to the USA it will come to Canada as well.


Anyone with even a bit of history knowledge or military training beyond the basics can see what's happening and can see through the lies... It boggles my mind how the majority of people can't see through this and just blindly follow what the media tells them. If anything, the riots have opened the eyes of many, many, people to just what is going on. The lies aren't working as well as they had before. The democrat mayors and governors and DA's that are allowing the riots to continue and in some cases actively supporting and encouraging them like Harris is doing and Ted Wheeler too are showing people what their true colours are and just how badly the system has been infiltrated and compromised. Anyone that doesn't share their far left ideologies or just speaks the truth is labelled at-right (whatever that is since the definition seems very fluid) and a racist or x-phobe. But it's not working for them as much. People are waking up to the madness.
The Ministry of Truth is becoming transparent and we see them.


I just hope that things don't get completely out of hand because civil wars are by far the nastiest, dirtiest, most bloodthirsty wars there are and all the people on the left calling for war and revolution will be in for a very rude awakening once the shooting starts. We already see how they crumble and cry when someone punches them back after being assaulted for a different opinion. If people stand up for what's right and true the left won't win. They don't have the stomach to do what it takes and those of us that do and are well aware of what the cost will be and that's why we aren't taking reciprocal action now. We want law and order. The right won't start the battles. But we will end them.


Anyhow, rant over. Good luck brothers and sisters.
Title: Re: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: Spinachcat on September 17, 2020, 04:31:22 AM
The Fentanyl Floyd case will get interesting with jury selection. How are you going to find 12 neutral people in that city? And how soon until a juror jumps on social media and starts blabbing? Or gets outed for being a BLM clown? Or gets threatened to be cancelled if they don't rule as BLM demands?


The problem with "the knee killed him" story is how many times police around the country have used the same technique and the criminal survived...so when it comes to why George Kirby didn't survive, the focus will be on the moron's bloodstream being loaded with drugs.


Also, the full footage is going to be rough on the prosecution. Saint George was babbling about "I can't breathe" while he was standing up and nobody was touching him...


I'm interested in learning about the real relationship between the cop and the perp, considering they worked at the same nightclub for years. Makes me wonder about their prior history.
Title: Re: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: Ghostmaker on September 17, 2020, 08:29:34 AM
Yeah, the narrative is bigger than the facts here. Specifically, the narrative that fentanyl killed George Floyd (https://www.kare11.com/article/news/local/george-floyd/new-court-docs-say-george-floyd-had-fatal-level-of-fentanyl-in-his-system/89-ed69d09d-a9ec-481c-90fe-7acd4ead3d04). Since people, once again, seem to be unable to distinguish narrative from fact:


It's a fact that Floyd had some level of fentanyl in system.
It's a fact that lower levels than Floyd's have been ruled the cause of death (meaning at least 1 case exists).
It's a fact that Floyd had a "heavy heart" -- a specific medical condition.
It's a fact that those conditions made Floyd's death more likely.

It's a narrative that those caused his death.

It's a fact that the medical coroner said the cause of death was being fucking choked. (https://www.medpagetoday.com/blogs/working-stiff/86913)

It's a fact that the District Attorney's literal job is to present a narrative that best defends the officer in question here.
It's a fact that the standard of care an officer usually has to show is attenuated to the individual.
Consider the fentanyl claim very carefully. Note how the defense attorney phrases it: 11 ml  of fentanyl in his system when 3 is known to kill. Is known to kill. Not is likely to kill. Not will probably kill. Not even may kill. It's is known to kill. That's deliberately chosen to be true, and meaningless. That means at least 1 person has died from that level. And that person? Probably had underlying conditions much worse than Floyd's.

There is a narrative here, but it's not what you think it is. It's the story of a really good defense lawyer (that is... a form of propaganda).
Except Chauvin didn't have him in a chokehold. There's questions been raised about Floyd's activity prior to being knee-pinned (including saying 'I can't breathe' well before that).


Was he in medical distress? Probably.
Should Chauvin have stopped posing for the cameras and given first aid & summoned an ambulance? Assuredly.


Is Chauvin guilty of murder? Good luck with that one. One of the big problems with pinning murder charges on some of these cops is how severe the health issues are with some of the dead. Eric Garner, for example, was likely to drop dead if he tried to run a half block; any kind of restraint could've killed him.


But I'll tell you this much:


It really pisses me off to watch a five year old boy get shot in the head for no apparent reason at all, be buried quietly without fanfare, while a drug-addled thug with a history of violence including threatening a pregnant woman with a gun -- he gets a fucking ROYAL funeral.


So if you're looking for additional help for your lynching party, I suggest you jog the fuck on.
Title: Re: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: trechriron on September 17, 2020, 05:30:35 PM
So, to summarize;


1. Random poster hits up the political forum on theRPGsite and posts inflammatory warning that we are all alt-right propagandists using known techniques to steer conversations to specific perceptions.
2. Que up a list of expected "commie bastard" responses calling out the troll to "provide evidence".
3. Que up pages of conspiracy theories (my favorite thus far is how Hillary Clinton was involved in Watergate?) about bused in agitators, a long defense of Kyle Rittenhouse, videos and speeches about war, and other bedrock alt-right propaganda talking points, memes, and responses. BTW - I love this shit. You can't conjure up better fiction if you hit an 8-ball and passed into a coma on your keyboard.
4. Original poster sits back waiting for theRPGsite regulars to realize they already provided all the evidence needed in the thread, which was inevitable when the original troll made the post...


Remember that cartoon about the bear and the hunter... The punchline being "you're not really here for the hunting are you?"


Yes. I'm laughing at you.  :o :-*
Title: Re: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: Steven Mitchell on September 17, 2020, 06:09:05 PM
Well, the thread decloaked a moron that I missed adding back my ignore list with the new format.  So at least it served one useful purpose. 
Title: Re: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: Spinachcat on September 17, 2020, 06:34:23 PM
You can't conjure up better fiction if you hit an 8-ball and passed into a coma on your keyboard.
How could we have dared forgotten that all truth comes only from the MSM?

Silly us.


4. Original poster sits back waiting for theRPGsite regulars to realize they already provided all the evidence needed in the thread, which was inevitable when the original troll made the post...

Evidence of what? People have opinions unapproved by SJW garbage? Or that viewing raw footage provides more context than media clips purposefully designed to set off race riots?


Yes. I'm laughing at you.  :o :-*
Not for long. You and the rest of the fence-sitters will learn the hard way you can't dance fast enough to appease the mob.

Fun fact: when communism takes over, there's nowhere to run. My father grew up in a tiny village on a little island totally impoverished and the communists made the time to put boots on their necks...literally. I've spoken to many other survivors of communism and those who came from far flung villages had the same tale as those from Moscow, Hanoi, Belgrade, and Warsaw, the jackboots always find the time to flex their muscle on those who might think they're above the fray and wrongly believe they can just live their lives.
 

Title: Re: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: EOTB on September 17, 2020, 06:37:09 PM
Hillary Clinton being involved in Watergate is an undisputed public record.  How is that idea a conspiracy theory?
Title: Re: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: DocJones on September 17, 2020, 06:55:36 PM
3. Que up pages of conspiracy theories (my favorite thus far is how Hillary Clinton was involved in Watergate?)...
How she was involved in Watergate isn't really a conspiracy theory.
I can think of a dozen far more exciting, fun and entertaining Hillary Clinton conspiracy theories.

But even that wouldn't make me alt-right either. :-)
Title: Re: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: Melichor on September 17, 2020, 07:33:55 PM
Que up pages of conspiracy theories (my favorite thus far is how Hillary Clinton was involved in Watergate?)


Sorry, try again: https://www.cato.org/blog/was-hillary-clinton-fired-nixon-impeachment-inquiry (https://www.cato.org/blog/was-hillary-clinton-fired-nixon-impeachment-inquiry)
My favorite part:
Quote
That brief may get some attention during the next few years, should any members of the Clinton administration become the subject of an impeachment inquiry.
Article dated: September 12, 2016


I guess the whole Whitewater thing is a conspiracy theory too....
Title: Re: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: Shasarak on September 17, 2020, 08:52:13 PM
Remember that cartoon about the bear and the hunter... The punchline being "you're not really here for the hunting are you?"
The whole thread was worth it just for the bear hunting joke.

Title: Re: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: Pat on September 17, 2020, 08:59:16 PM
I guess the whole Whitewater thing is a conspiracy theory too....
Whitewater was real, just deadly boring. Nobody could stay awake.
Title: Re: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: jeff37923 on September 17, 2020, 09:36:44 PM
So, to summarize;


1. Random poster hits up the political forum on theRPGsite and posts inflammatory warning that we are all alt-right propagandists using known techniques to steer conversations to specific perceptions.
2. Que up a list of expected "commie bastard" responses calling out the troll to "provide evidence".
3. Que up pages of conspiracy theories (my favorite thus far is how Hillary Clinton was involved in Watergate?) about bused in agitators, a long defense of Kyle Rittenhouse, videos and speeches about war, and other bedrock alt-right propaganda talking points, memes, and responses. BTW - I love this shit. You can't conjure up better fiction if you hit an 8-ball and passed into a coma on your keyboard.
4. Original poster sits back waiting for theRPGsite regulars to realize they already provided all the evidence needed in the thread, which was inevitable when the original troll made the post...


Remember that cartoon about the bear and the hunter... The punchline being "you're not really here for the hunting are you?"


Yes. I'm laughing at you.  :o :-*


I just love it when the guy known for championing in character rape for gaming tries to claim the Moral High Ground.


Gives me a grin every time.
Title: Re: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: trechriron on September 18, 2020, 05:50:42 AM
...

I just love it when the guy known for championing in character rape for gaming tries to claim the Moral High Ground.


Gives me a grin every time.


Trotting out this bullshit again huh? I don't champion in-character rape. I defend the right of consenting adults to play in a game with whatever subjects they choose. I also champion freedom of speech, so if someone makes a Hentai game, I don't believe it should be censored. Of course you know that. You just hope that repeating the same bullshit will erase the truth.

Second, not taking the "Moral High Ground". Just laughing at the irony of it. Sorry you can't see the comedy in this thread.
Title: Re: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: jeff37923 on September 18, 2020, 06:18:19 AM
...

I just love it when the guy known for championing in character rape for gaming tries to claim the Moral High Ground.


Gives me a grin every time.


Trotting out this bullshit again huh? I don't champion in-character rape. I defend the right of consenting adults to play in a game with whatever subjects they choose. I also champion freedom of speech, so if someone makes a Hentai game, I don't believe it should be censored. Of course you know that. You just hope that repeating the same bullshit will erase the truth.

Second, not taking the "Moral High Ground". Just laughing at the irony of it. Sorry you can't see the comedy in this thread.


Awwww, I'm 'Sorry you can't see the comedy in this thread'   ;D
Title: Re: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: Brad on September 18, 2020, 11:19:37 AM
And that's EXACTLY how America falls.

The Founding Fathers could have sat back, fat and happy, on their plantations being rich men in a new land. Sure, they had to pay high taxes and have no representation in Parliament, but who wants to fight a revolution when you can just take a knee?
Some of us aren't going to be taking a knee anytime soon. I'd rather go out in a blaze of glory than capitulate to these fucking communists, and I'm not alone...my neighborhood is organizing a militia just in case some BLM fucks decide they want to riot in our streets.

I know you're not optimistic about this whole ordeal, but just remember: 3%
Title: Re: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: VisionStorm on September 18, 2020, 12:37:01 PM
So, to summarize;


1. Random poster hits up the political forum on theRPGsite and posts inflammatory warning that we are all alt-right propagandists using known techniques to steer conversations to specific perceptions.
2. Que up a list of expected "commie bastard" responses calling out the troll to "provide evidence".
3. Que up pages of conspiracy theories (my favorite thus far is how Hillary Clinton was involved in Watergate?) about bused in agitators, a long defense of Kyle Rittenhouse, videos and speeches about war, and other bedrock alt-right propaganda talking points, memes, and responses. BTW - I love this shit. You can't conjure up better fiction if you hit an 8-ball and passed into a coma on your keyboard.
4. Original poster sits back waiting for theRPGsite regulars to realize they already provided all the evidence needed in the thread, which was inevitable when the original troll made the post...


Remember that cartoon about the bear and the hunter... The punchline being "you're not really here for the hunting are you?"


Yes. I'm laughing at you.  :o :-*

I’ve browsed this thread a couple of times, but haven’t really been paying close attention, but has anyone brought up “muh racial IQ” or stuff like “muh sOcIaL cOhEsIoN” in racially homogeneous countries? Or are we stretching the term “alt-right” to mean “anything vaguely ‘right wing’ (whatever that even means) that I disagree with”?

Cuz don’t get me wrong, I’ve seen some willfully uninformed and wildly partisan shit on this forum section, but willfully uninformed and wildly partisan does not equal “alt-right” or we’d have to lump the entire so-called “Left” into it while we’re at it as well.
Title: Re: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: trechriron on September 19, 2020, 12:39:02 AM
Awwww, I'm 'Sorry you can't see the comedy in this thread'   ;D


I still love you, even if you still think I'm a monster.
Title: Re: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: trechriron on September 19, 2020, 12:43:51 AM
...

Cuz don’t get me wrong, I’ve seen some willfully uninformed and wildly partisan shit on this forum section, but willfully uninformed and wildly partisan does not equal “alt-right” or we’d have to lump the entire so-called “Left” into it while we’re at it as well.


No no no. I have many conservative friends. I don't disagree with all their values by any stretch. I think of the "alt-right" as this strange group of fanatics who have strange conspiracy theories about how "libtards" are taking over the world. They amuse me as much as the far "regressive-left" hand-wringers who spend all their time in fear of the "facist theocracy take-over" or "the giant white penis monster". I'm not just anti-fascist, I'm anti-fanatic. I think everyone gets an opinion and we should listen to each other. All this "red" vs. "blue" hatred is seriously misplaced IMHO.
Title: Re: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: jeff37923 on September 19, 2020, 12:45:13 AM
I still love you, even if you still think I'm a monster.


You aren't a monster, you are just very confused and need to get laid instead of just your player character.
Title: Re: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: Spinachcat on September 19, 2020, 05:30:17 PM
Trechriron is a flail snail!! Get him!
I’ve browsed this thread a couple of times, but haven’t really been paying close attention, but has anyone brought up “muh racial IQ” or stuff like “muh sOcIaL cOhEsIoN” in racially homogeneous countries? Or are we stretching the term “alt-right” to mean “anything vaguely ‘right wing’ (whatever that even means) that I disagree with”?
Alt-Right means anyone to the left of Mao.

As we're a free speech forum, there's been discussion on people's thoughts IQ & race and social cohesion. Personally, I'm always fascinated how the social cohesion seen in "racially" homogeneous countries doesn't extend over the border to the slightly different ethnic group of the same "race". AKA, Chinese and Mongolians are Asian, French and German are Europeans, and being of the same "race" hasn't done jack shit for harmony, so the homogeneous harmony concept drills down further to perhaps shared ethnicity, but probably shared culture.
Title: Re: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: Ghostmaker on September 21, 2020, 08:21:50 AM
Contemplate the following:


it is now considered alt right to defend yourself with weapons against physical assault and arson.
Title: Re: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: RandyB on September 21, 2020, 08:50:14 AM
Contemplate the following:


it is now considered alt right to defend yourself with weapons against physical assault and arson.

Only if those committing the assault or arson are "approved persons".
Title: Re: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: Ghostmaker on September 21, 2020, 09:43:05 AM
Contemplate the following:


it is now considered alt right to defend yourself with weapons against physical assault and arson.

Only if those committing the assault or arson are "approved persons".
True. I stand corrected on that.
Title: Re: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: RandyB on September 21, 2020, 10:38:41 AM
Contemplate the following:


it is now considered alt right to defend yourself with weapons against physical assault and arson.

Only if those committing the assault or arson are "approved persons".
True. I stand corrected on that.

Don't think of it as correction. Think of it as a friendly amendment. :)
Title: Re: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: BoxCrayonTales on September 26, 2020, 12:31:35 PM
And this is why I wish an asteroid would hit the Earth and kill everyone.
Title: Re: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: Ratman_tf on September 26, 2020, 02:06:39 PM
And this is why I wish an asteroid would hit the Earth and kill everyone.


You seem pretty focused on the death of the human race lately. Maybe you should write a manifesto.
Title: Re: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: shuddemell on September 26, 2020, 02:51:20 PM
You could get out of it more easily than mass extinction if you put some effort into it. Just saying.
Title: Re: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: Brendan on September 29, 2020, 04:41:04 PM
Not to derail the... whatever this is... but has anyone else read and/or listened to this?

https://www.amazon.com/The-New-Right-Michael-Malice-audiobook/dp/B07RCL5H7K/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=michael+malice&link_code=qs&qid=1601409203&sourceid=Mozilla-search&sr=8-2&tag=mozilla-20

IMO, it's excellent if we want to tease out the actual meaning and content of the "alternative" / emerging new right.  Required reading. It isn't, however, the whole story.  Michael Malice is focused on the American phenomenon and largely leaves out the continental European contributions and distortions - but nobody's perfect.

"Alt-right" actually DOES mean something.  Specifically it originally referred to the Buchananian side of what Michael Malice calls the "New Right", a coalition of right wing opposition to what was the establishment right.  The term "alternative right" was coined by Paul Gottfried and then shortened to "Alt-Right" by his former and fallen pupil Richard Spencer. Spencer then made common cause with the European "Novue Droite" ("New Right", but not the same as the way Michael Malice uses the term in the book above - I know, it's confusing) founded by French philosopher Alain de Benoist, which had a very different foundation and intellectual heritage.  The resulting synthesis resulted in what came to be called and demonized as "Alt-Right" by the cathedral media, namely a right which claimed civilization emerged not primarily from reason and universal moral truths about human nature, but from a specific genetic heritage (the "alt-Reich") and religion (the "alt-Christ"). 

Gottfried and de Benoist have been pretty much shuffled off to the side now.  Gottfried was never really part of the alliance and considers himself a paleo-conservative.  De Benoist has also distanced himself from the movement which claims him as a father.  Being weird and French about 3/4 of what he says is brilliant and the rest is ridiculous nonsense.

I could say more but I'll hold off unless someone is actually interested in this shit.
 
Title: Re: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: Shasarak on September 29, 2020, 08:24:44 PM
And this is why I wish an asteroid would hit the Earth and kill everyone.
Dude, you need to up your meds.
Title: Re: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: Ratman_tf on September 29, 2020, 09:03:18 PM
I could say more but I'll hold off unless someone is actually interested in this shit.
 


Eh. I'm mildly interested, since it is relevant to modern politics. But the radical left is so prominent right now, I'm not so concerned about a bunch of people on the "right" accusing each other of being "cucks".
Title: Re: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: consolcwby on September 30, 2020, 02:04:32 AM
Being a non-person alt-right hate-monger phobist-enabler (who self identifies as an old out-of-his-mind non-identitarian, pronouns: bastahd/SOB)  I hate to inform this thread that it is my conspiracy theory that:
1) Propaganda is everywhere from every time period: https://youtu.be/nyEo6hHnoq4 (https://youtu.be/nyEo6hHnoq4)
2) It is fooling everyone by it's mere existence: https://youtu.be/_siQqiT48Tc (https://youtu.be/_siQqiT48Tc)
3) The more you know it's propaganda, the more likely you are to disbelieve it: https://youtu.be/heasnJY8HMM (https://youtu.be/heasnJY8HMM)


With these three points stated, the result will be the entire annihilation of culture, government, and true freedom - no matter what occurs, who "wins/loses/ties", or whatever new b.s. comes to replace these things. It is, quite literally the end. Because, no one from this point on will believe anything or anyone anymore, without having something "right now" given to them. This is how an over-entitled and over-stimulated population is subjugated and controlled. By corruption.


Enjoy the future. It won't last long.  https://youtu.be/65xLByzT1l0


(And here you thought I was going for a humorous take on this! Suckers!) :P
Title: Re: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: Brendan on September 30, 2020, 11:06:44 AM

Eh. I'm mildly interested, since it is relevant to modern politics. But the radical left is so prominent right now, I'm not so concerned about a bunch of people on the "right" accusing each other of being "cucks".

Oh, I agree.  I happen to find this kind of thing interesting, but there's no real threat from these people.  If we're talking threat analysis we need to look left, but that's a whole other conversation.


With these three points stated, the result will be the entire annihilation of culture, government, and true freedom - no matter what occurs, who "wins/loses/ties", or whatever new b.s. comes to replace these things.

Dude... take a white pill and relax.  Do you think that the population is more brainwashed now vs the early 20th century? You think the riots now are worse than the ones in the 60s? You think this economic downturn is worse than the great depression? Do you think the risk of global annihilation is worse now than it was in the 1970s?  All things considered, we're doing okay.
Title: Re: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: KingCheops on September 30, 2020, 11:19:11 AM
Dude... take a white pill and relax.  Do you think that the population is more brainwashed now vs the early 20th century? You think the riots now are worse than the ones in the 60s? You think this economic downturn is worse than the great depression? Do you think the risk of global annihilation is worse now than it was in the 1970s?  All things considered, we're doing okay.


I'd actually say we're a little better off than we were.  I'm old enough to remember when the local anchorman was the Voice of God.  Everything that spilled from His mouth was the Unalterable TRUTH.  We just have more ways to verify and draw our own conclusions now which is a better thing.


Some people don't handle freedom well so like Cypher they want back into the Matrix.  The vast bulk of people don't ever red pill and pick a side so things keep tucking along until Zion gets wiped out and we start again.
Title: Re: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: Trond on September 30, 2020, 01:32:02 PM
Not to derail the... whatever this is... but has anyone else read and/or listened to this?

https://www.amazon.com/The-New-Right-Michael-Malice-audiobook/dp/B07RCL5H7K/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=michael+malice&link_code=qs&qid=1601409203&sourceid=Mozilla-search&sr=8-2&tag=mozilla-20 (https://www.amazon.com/The-New-Right-Michael-Malice-audiobook/dp/B07RCL5H7K/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=michael+malice&link_code=qs&qid=1601409203&sourceid=Mozilla-search&sr=8-2&tag=mozilla-20)

IMO, it's excellent if we want to tease out the actual meaning and content of the "alternative" / emerging new right.  Required reading. It isn't, however, the whole story.  Michael Malice is focused on the American phenomenon and largely leaves out the continental European contributions and distortions - but nobody's perfect.

"Alt-right" actually DOES mean something.  Specifically it originally referred to the Buchananian side of what Michael Malice calls the "New Right", a coalition of right wing opposition to what was the establishment right.  The term "alternative right" was coined by Paul Gottfried and then shortened to "Alt-Right" by his former and fallen pupil Richard Spencer. Spencer then made common cause with the European "Novue Droite" ("New Right", but not the same as the way Michael Malice uses the term in the book above - I know, it's confusing) founded by French philosopher Alain de Benoist, which had a very different foundation and intellectual heritage.  The resulting synthesis resulted in what came to be called and demonized as "Alt-Right" by the cathedral media, namely a right which claimed civilization emerged not primarily from reason and universal moral truths about human nature, but from a specific genetic heritage (the "alt-Reich") and religion (the "alt-Christ"). 

Gottfried and de Benoist have been pretty much shuffled off to the side now.  Gottfried was never really part of the alliance and considers himself a paleo-conservative.  De Benoist has also distanced himself from the movement which claims him as a father.  Being weird and French about 3/4 of what he says is brilliant and the rest is ridiculous nonsense.

I could say more but I'll hold off unless someone is actually interested in this shit.
 
Then who are all the people talking about human nature from the perspective of the Right? E.g. in the debate about trans people, or feminism etc.
Title: Re: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: Brendan on September 30, 2020, 02:56:19 PM

Then who are all the people talking about human nature from the perspective of the Right? E.g. in the debate about trans people, or feminism etc.

Lots of people now, although to give credit where it's due many of the issues which have become main-stream today were broached on early "Alt-Right" discussion boards and blogs because they were willing to go out and slaughter sacred cows. 

There is an emerging new right consensus which has been called alternatively the populist right, new nationalism, national conservatism, and probably other descriptors that I can't think of at the moment.  While the way of thinking and framing issues is most definitely NOT taken from the Alt-Right, some of the issues that the Alt-Right first picked up on were genuine problems and are being addressed.  Issues such as 3rd world immigration, media cultural hegemony, the destruction of the nuclear family, the muddling of sexuality and sexual identity, etc etc.  Whether this new consensus will continue post Trump is unknown.  While he's by no means an intellectual driver he has been a rallying point similar to Ron Paul's presidential run for libertarians.

Its largely in this sense that the Alt-Right shows its inheritance from the Pat Buchanan paleo-cons like Paul Gottfried too - but nobody was listening to them and there were few of them about being... well... old and stodgy, prior to the youthful irreverence of the early Alt-Right.  Also the religious right of the 80s cared about this stuff, but everyone was sick of their shit and they blew it.  The Alt-Right, when it first popped up, had energy and drive and was willing to "go there". 

The drivers of culture are almost always on the distribution tails. Ideas get sorted and refined and some of them get adopted by the mainstream. Some of them, for better or worse, get banished to the badlands.
Title: Re: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: Brendan on September 30, 2020, 03:00:48 PM
Sorry for the double post.  It was an error.  But to make the most of it.. Trond you raise a good point re human nature.  One of the early sites that became grouped in the constellation of what the media dubbed rightly or wrongly "Alt-Right" was Unqualified Reservations which laid out the concept of the Dark Enlightenment - a view of human nature contrary to the rationalist project of the 20th century.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Enlightenment (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Enlightenment)
If I were to lay out the evolution of the Alt-Right it would go something like this:

In the early 00s a bunch of blogs, online magazines and forums emerged in opposition to the progressive establishment.  They had little in common other than this opposition and a willingness to talk about anything with anyone.  Paul Gottfried called this "the alternative right" and his then pupil Richard Spencer shortened it to "Alt-Right" and created a website and online magazine by the same name, with a few other organizations clustered around it.  The new name was short and catchy and it kinda stuck.

Being the wild west of right wing discourse was a double edged sword.  As per Trump's comments on Charlotteville you had good people and some bad people.  The downside to no gatekeeping is that bad conversation tends to drown out good.  Most of the people on the Alt-Right weren't Nazis, but there were Nazis there I assure you.  I believe Counter-Currents still has their website up.  Feel free to order yourself a book of love poetry to Hitler (I wish I were joking). 

Around the same time that conversations started to drift sideways the Cathedral noticed the little collection of weirdo tribes and set out to destroy them.  It was pretty easy to hang the "RACIST" label around the group's collective neck when you had idiots like Spencer running around giving "Roman Salutes".  The scene exploded.  Some small groups retreated back into their enclaves; some drifted mainstream. 

Today very few people are willing to really own the label and its become quite confused. It seems to be a tarnished crown that some occasional group will pick up and try on and then realize it comes with too much baggage and put down again.  With the mainstream right drifting increasingly Trump-ward the term has lost some of its focus.  The Cathedral is quickly losing its grip and freaking the fuck out.  Anyway, interesting times. 
Title: Re: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: Machaeus on October 02, 2020, 02:23:58 PM
This thread was quite a ride.



On subject, it's weird to me how everyone on the far left (and some of the closer fringes) are SO TERRIFIED of this bogeyman.  I know that propaganda requires a level of unthinking acceptance, but it's jarring that there's no questioning of the a-tho-reh-teh.  Maybe it's just that fear of being ostracized that so many people have?

Anyone have some theories or evidence as to why people huddle and cower together on the left so easily over this shadow on the wall of Plato's cave?
Title: Re: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: Brendan on October 02, 2020, 04:41:39 PM
This thread was quite a ride.



On subject, it's weird to me how everyone on the far left (and some of the closer fringes) are SO TERRIFIED of this bogeyman.  I know that propaganda requires a level of unthinking acceptance, but it's jarring that there's no questioning of the a-tho-reh-teh.  Maybe it's just that fear of being ostracized that so many people have?

Anyone have some theories or evidence as to why people huddle and cower together on the left so easily over this shadow on the wall of Plato's cave?

I believe it's a narrative / script thing.  For a couple of generations the educated populace has been trained to think of all totalitarianism as a danger from the political right.  Yes the "Alt-Right" as a movement was intentionally cast in the boogy-man role - but also they didn't do themselves any favors and some of them seemed to volunteer for the position.  If they had removed their own bad actors they possibly could have weathered the storm.  That was probably impossible though, as the coiner of the term and owner of the central website with the same name, ie: "Alt-Right", was Richard Spencer, a completely scumbag.

There is a phenomenon wherein people learn to associate negative attention with a positive reward. It is after all ATTENTION of a sort, and comes with a potent biological and chemical reaction.  There is also a sense of power from manipulating people's reactions.  I think this is the close cousin of people who have humiliation fetishes. Spencer strikes me as this kind of person.  He has the sociopath's love of manipulation and enjoys negative reactions in others.

But why did the real villains - the cathedral of media, academia and establishment political class do this?  Because, in the words of Michael Malice, they want you dead but will settle for your submission. 
Title: Re: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: Machaeus on October 02, 2020, 05:26:10 PM
I believe it's a narrative / script thing.  For a couple of generations the educated populace has been trained to think of all totalitarianism as a danger from the political right.  Yes the "Alt-Right" as a movement was intentionally cast in the boogy-man role - but also they didn't do themselves any favors and some of them seemed to volunteer for the position.  If they had removed their own bad actors they possibly could have weathered the storm.  That was probably impossible though, as the coiner of the term and owner of the central website with the same name, ie: "Alt-Right", was Richard Spencer, a completely scumbag.

There is a phenomenon wherein people learn to associate negative attention with a positive reward. It is after all ATTENTION of a sort, and comes with a potent biological and chemical reaction.  There is also a sense of power from manipulating people's reactions.  I think this is the close cousin of people who have humiliation fetishes. Spencer strikes me as this kind of person.  He has the sociopath's love of manipulation and enjoys negative reactions in others.

(emphasis mine)

All this seems pretty likely.  I was honestly under the impression that Spencer was a plant from the left, but this looks equally, perhaps more, likely.
Title: Re: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: Snowman0147 on October 02, 2020, 05:58:07 PM
Spencer might be a plant because he refuses to vote for Trump and sided with Biden.  Don't know why.
Title: Re: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: Steven Mitchell on October 02, 2020, 06:10:37 PM
Some people want to burn things down because they think it is a way to get power and that it won't come back and bite them.  Some people just want to watch the world burn.  They agree about burning things down.
Title: Re: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: Shasarak on October 02, 2020, 07:10:24 PM
This thread was quite a ride.



On subject, it's weird to me how everyone on the far left (and some of the closer fringes) are SO TERRIFIED of this bogeyman.  I know that propaganda requires a level of unthinking acceptance, but it's jarring that there's no questioning of the a-tho-reh-teh.  Maybe it's just that fear of being ostracized that so many people have?

Anyone have some theories or evidence as to why people huddle and cower together on the left so easily over this shadow on the wall of Plato's cave?


Its just normal mass hysteria. 


Remember the good old days when DnD was the font of all things Evil?


And then there were the Children Daycares that were Satanic cults?
Title: Re: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: consolcwby on October 02, 2020, 11:33:25 PM
This thread was quite a ride.



On subject, it's weird to me how everyone on the far left (and some of the closer fringes) are SO TERRIFIED of this bogeyman.  I know that propaganda requires a level of unthinking acceptance, but it's jarring that there's no questioning of the a-tho-reh-teh.  Maybe it's just that fear of being ostracized that so many people have?

Anyone have some theories or evidence as to why people huddle and cower together on the left so easily over this shadow on the wall of Plato's cave?

The people leading the sheep follow this: https://bolenreport.com/saul-alinskys-12-rules-radicals/
They use the mentally ill, provocateurs, mass media, and social media influencers to control a narrative laden with NLP (weaponized): https://inlpcenter.org/what-is-neuro-linguistic-programming-nlp/

Basically, those whose minds are easily malleable are the targets. And it works to an extent. Mostly on twit*(ter) and else where like ye olde tumb(lr).
Title: Re: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: Brendan on October 05, 2020, 01:52:01 PM
Spencer might be a plant because he refuses to vote for Trump and sided with Biden.  Don't know why.

Spencer was always a socialist and a would-be managerial elite.  He wants to rule the world and he thinks his obviously superior breeding and taste entitles him to this "right".  He thinks a tightly run central state is the best way to manage markets, which he distrusts (da joos, you know).  He really has more in common with the Dem leadership than he does with the Trump populists.  His view of race also lines up with the black separatists and other radical leftists.  He had more in common with the caricature of Trump pushed by the left than he did the actual man or his supporters. There was some nominal alignment around border control but even that is more signaling than substance. 

Of course, if you want to keep "the races" [sic] separate the only way to do that is through a centralized command and control structure, so racialists always need to control the state apparatus.


I'd actually say we're a little better off than we were.  I'm old enough to remember when the local anchorman was the Voice of God.  Everything that spilled from His mouth was the Unalterable TRUTH.  We just have more ways to verify and draw our own conclusions now which is a better thing.

Word.

I was honestly under the impression that Spencer was a plant from the left, but this looks equally, perhaps more, likely.

Did you hear his unhinged freak out after Charlottesville?  Talk about an unmasking.  It's frothing at the mouth cartoon villain level megalomania and racism.  He calls out "octaroons" for fucks sake.

https://youtu.be/4cCS1cP69Wo?t=86
Title: Re: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: Spinachcat on October 05, 2020, 05:52:13 PM
I am unsure yet if 2020 has been a good or bad year for civic nationalism (aka America First, all patriots welcome regardless of your DNA, aka All Lives Matter).

The MSM loves the increasing racial division and racial tension. Of course, their whole "black militants = good, white militants = bad" only guarantees more of both.

That's why the MSM really hates the Proud Boys and any non-white Trump suppporters. The idea of civic nationalism rising would destroy their narrative, then their power, then their gravy train.

 
Title: Re: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: RPGPundit on October 13, 2020, 06:25:36 PM
Macheus, I've removed your image. Making light of the Holocaust is not something I approve of.
Title: Re: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: Machaeus on October 13, 2020, 06:28:04 PM
Macheus, I've removed your image. Making light of the Holocaust is not something I approve of.

Alright, fair enough.  Apologies.
Title: Re: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: ShieldWife on October 17, 2020, 01:49:22 AM
Wow, nobody is an extremely efficient troll. One critic post followed by 11 pages.
Title: Re: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: moonsweeper on October 17, 2020, 08:12:41 AM
Wow, nobody is an extremely efficient troll. One critic post followed by 11 pages.

That is because we'll argue, debate, complain, or just plain bitch about anything if someone gives us a topic.  I think people called OP on the trolling a few pages back and then went right back to the discussion.
Title: Re: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: SHARK on October 17, 2020, 09:04:35 AM
Wow, nobody is an extremely efficient troll. One critic post followed by 11 pages.

That is because we'll argue, debate, complain, or just plain bitch about anything if someone gives us a topic.  I think people called OP on the trolling a few pages back and then went right back to the discussion.

Greetings!

Indeed, my friend. I think that most of us realized immediately that the poster "Nobody"--with 4 posts entirely to their credit--was just a stupid troll, and I don't think anyone has thought *he* was worthwhile to engage with.

Everyone else here though, well, yeah. We have fun arguing and discussing stuff. *laughing* So, I think it is more of the group here being interested in engaging each other than anyone taking the troll person seriously.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: Spinachcat on October 19, 2020, 04:07:28 AM
Remember the good old days when DnD was the font of all things Evil?

According to WotC, DnD was the font of all things Evil until 5e got woke. I mean, can you imagine in 2020 that some gamers STILL refuse to admit orcs are black people?

Title: Re: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: Ghostmaker on October 19, 2020, 08:38:01 AM
Remember the good old days when DnD was the font of all things Evil?

According to WotC, DnD was the font of all things Evil until 5e got woke. I mean, can you imagine in 2020 that some gamers STILL refuse to admit orcs are black people?
Patricia Pulling, rising from her grave...
Title: Re: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: Machaeus on October 19, 2020, 08:40:11 AM
Patricia Pulling, rising from her grave...



I'm not sorry.
Title: Re: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: Null42 on October 19, 2020, 04:13:00 PM
That was an awesome game. I still remember playing it in the arcade. Always felt vaguely RPG-ish, what with the powerups.
Title: Re: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: Ghostmaker on October 20, 2020, 08:26:47 AM
LOL. The sound chip and sampling really did sound like Elmer Fudd, though. "WIZE FWUM YOUR GWAVE!!"
Title: Re: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum
Post by: consolcwby on October 21, 2020, 01:54:14 AM
LOL. The sound chip and sampling really did sound like Elmer Fudd, though. "WIZE FWUM YOUR GWAVE!!"
Hm. Elmer Fudd - reminds me of the 2nd Amendment for some reason... Oh, now I remember: https://www.bitchute.com/video/HzD9ROYwvOA/