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Author Topic: The alt right utilizes propaganda techniques, and btw it's happening on this forum  (Read 12609 times)

Ghostmaker

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Contemplate the following:


it is now considered alt right to defend yourself with weapons against physical assault and arson.

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Contemplate the following:


it is now considered alt right to defend yourself with weapons against physical assault and arson.

Only if those committing the assault or arson are "approved persons".

Ghostmaker

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Contemplate the following:


it is now considered alt right to defend yourself with weapons against physical assault and arson.

Only if those committing the assault or arson are "approved persons".
True. I stand corrected on that.

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Contemplate the following:


it is now considered alt right to defend yourself with weapons against physical assault and arson.

Only if those committing the assault or arson are "approved persons".
True. I stand corrected on that.

Don't think of it as correction. Think of it as a friendly amendment. :)

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And this is why I wish an asteroid would hit the Earth and kill everyone.

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And this is why I wish an asteroid would hit the Earth and kill everyone.


You seem pretty focused on the death of the human race lately. Maybe you should write a manifesto.
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You could get out of it more easily than mass extinction if you put some effort into it. Just saying.
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Not to derail the... whatever this is... but has anyone else read and/or listened to this?

https://www.amazon.com/The-New-Right-Michael-Malice-audiobook/dp/B07RCL5H7K/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=michael+malice&link_code=qs&qid=1601409203&sourceid=Mozilla-search&sr=8-2&tag=mozilla-20

IMO, it's excellent if we want to tease out the actual meaning and content of the "alternative" / emerging new right.  Required reading. It isn't, however, the whole story.  Michael Malice is focused on the American phenomenon and largely leaves out the continental European contributions and distortions - but nobody's perfect.

"Alt-right" actually DOES mean something.  Specifically it originally referred to the Buchananian side of what Michael Malice calls the "New Right", a coalition of right wing opposition to what was the establishment right.  The term "alternative right" was coined by Paul Gottfried and then shortened to "Alt-Right" by his former and fallen pupil Richard Spencer. Spencer then made common cause with the European "Novue Droite" ("New Right", but not the same as the way Michael Malice uses the term in the book above - I know, it's confusing) founded by French philosopher Alain de Benoist, which had a very different foundation and intellectual heritage.  The resulting synthesis resulted in what came to be called and demonized as "Alt-Right" by the cathedral media, namely a right which claimed civilization emerged not primarily from reason and universal moral truths about human nature, but from a specific genetic heritage (the "alt-Reich") and religion (the "alt-Christ"). 

Gottfried and de Benoist have been pretty much shuffled off to the side now.  Gottfried was never really part of the alliance and considers himself a paleo-conservative.  De Benoist has also distanced himself from the movement which claims him as a father.  Being weird and French about 3/4 of what he says is brilliant and the rest is ridiculous nonsense.

I could say more but I'll hold off unless someone is actually interested in this shit.
 

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And this is why I wish an asteroid would hit the Earth and kill everyone.
Dude, you need to up your meds.
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I could say more but I'll hold off unless someone is actually interested in this shit.
 


Eh. I'm mildly interested, since it is relevant to modern politics. But the radical left is so prominent right now, I'm not so concerned about a bunch of people on the "right" accusing each other of being "cucks".
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Being a non-person alt-right hate-monger phobist-enabler (who self identifies as an old out-of-his-mind non-identitarian, pronouns: bastahd/SOB)  I hate to inform this thread that it is my conspiracy theory that:
1) Propaganda is everywhere from every time period: https://youtu.be/nyEo6hHnoq4
2) It is fooling everyone by it's mere existence: https://youtu.be/_siQqiT48Tc
3) The more you know it's propaganda, the more likely you are to disbelieve it: https://youtu.be/heasnJY8HMM


With these three points stated, the result will be the entire annihilation of culture, government, and true freedom - no matter what occurs, who "wins/loses/ties", or whatever new b.s. comes to replace these things. It is, quite literally the end. Because, no one from this point on will believe anything or anyone anymore, without having something "right now" given to them. This is how an over-entitled and over-stimulated population is subjugated and controlled. By corruption.


Enjoy the future. It won't last long.  https://youtu.be/65xLByzT1l0


(And here you thought I was going for a humorous take on this! Suckers!) :P
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Eh. I'm mildly interested, since it is relevant to modern politics. But the radical left is so prominent right now, I'm not so concerned about a bunch of people on the "right" accusing each other of being "cucks".

Oh, I agree.  I happen to find this kind of thing interesting, but there's no real threat from these people.  If we're talking threat analysis we need to look left, but that's a whole other conversation.


With these three points stated, the result will be the entire annihilation of culture, government, and true freedom - no matter what occurs, who "wins/loses/ties", or whatever new b.s. comes to replace these things.

Dude... take a white pill and relax.  Do you think that the population is more brainwashed now vs the early 20th century? You think the riots now are worse than the ones in the 60s? You think this economic downturn is worse than the great depression? Do you think the risk of global annihilation is worse now than it was in the 1970s?  All things considered, we're doing okay.
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Dude... take a white pill and relax.  Do you think that the population is more brainwashed now vs the early 20th century? You think the riots now are worse than the ones in the 60s? You think this economic downturn is worse than the great depression? Do you think the risk of global annihilation is worse now than it was in the 1970s?  All things considered, we're doing okay.


I'd actually say we're a little better off than we were.  I'm old enough to remember when the local anchorman was the Voice of God.  Everything that spilled from His mouth was the Unalterable TRUTH.  We just have more ways to verify and draw our own conclusions now which is a better thing.


Some people don't handle freedom well so like Cypher they want back into the Matrix.  The vast bulk of people don't ever red pill and pick a side so things keep tucking along until Zion gets wiped out and we start again.

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Not to derail the... whatever this is... but has anyone else read and/or listened to this?

https://www.amazon.com/The-New-Right-Michael-Malice-audiobook/dp/B07RCL5H7K/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=michael+malice&link_code=qs&qid=1601409203&sourceid=Mozilla-search&sr=8-2&tag=mozilla-20

IMO, it's excellent if we want to tease out the actual meaning and content of the "alternative" / emerging new right.  Required reading. It isn't, however, the whole story.  Michael Malice is focused on the American phenomenon and largely leaves out the continental European contributions and distortions - but nobody's perfect.

"Alt-right" actually DOES mean something.  Specifically it originally referred to the Buchananian side of what Michael Malice calls the "New Right", a coalition of right wing opposition to what was the establishment right.  The term "alternative right" was coined by Paul Gottfried and then shortened to "Alt-Right" by his former and fallen pupil Richard Spencer. Spencer then made common cause with the European "Novue Droite" ("New Right", but not the same as the way Michael Malice uses the term in the book above - I know, it's confusing) founded by French philosopher Alain de Benoist, which had a very different foundation and intellectual heritage.  The resulting synthesis resulted in what came to be called and demonized as "Alt-Right" by the cathedral media, namely a right which claimed civilization emerged not primarily from reason and universal moral truths about human nature, but from a specific genetic heritage (the "alt-Reich") and religion (the "alt-Christ"). 

Gottfried and de Benoist have been pretty much shuffled off to the side now.  Gottfried was never really part of the alliance and considers himself a paleo-conservative.  De Benoist has also distanced himself from the movement which claims him as a father.  Being weird and French about 3/4 of what he says is brilliant and the rest is ridiculous nonsense.

I could say more but I'll hold off unless someone is actually interested in this shit.
 
Then who are all the people talking about human nature from the perspective of the Right? E.g. in the debate about trans people, or feminism etc.

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Then who are all the people talking about human nature from the perspective of the Right? E.g. in the debate about trans people, or feminism etc.

Lots of people now, although to give credit where it's due many of the issues which have become main-stream today were broached on early "Alt-Right" discussion boards and blogs because they were willing to go out and slaughter sacred cows. 

There is an emerging new right consensus which has been called alternatively the populist right, new nationalism, national conservatism, and probably other descriptors that I can't think of at the moment.  While the way of thinking and framing issues is most definitely NOT taken from the Alt-Right, some of the issues that the Alt-Right first picked up on were genuine problems and are being addressed.  Issues such as 3rd world immigration, media cultural hegemony, the destruction of the nuclear family, the muddling of sexuality and sexual identity, etc etc.  Whether this new consensus will continue post Trump is unknown.  While he's by no means an intellectual driver he has been a rallying point similar to Ron Paul's presidential run for libertarians.

Its largely in this sense that the Alt-Right shows its inheritance from the Pat Buchanan paleo-cons like Paul Gottfried too - but nobody was listening to them and there were few of them about being... well... old and stodgy, prior to the youthful irreverence of the early Alt-Right.  Also the religious right of the 80s cared about this stuff, but everyone was sick of their shit and they blew it.  The Alt-Right, when it first popped up, had energy and drive and was willing to "go there". 

The drivers of culture are almost always on the distribution tails. Ideas get sorted and refined and some of them get adopted by the mainstream. Some of them, for better or worse, get banished to the badlands.