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Author Topic: Strixhaven Dropped subclasses for “relationships”  (Read 4805 times)

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Re: Strixhaven Dropped subclasses for “relationships”
« Reply #75 on: September 08, 2021, 10:58:15 PM »
All this talk about how great comics are doing reminded me of my favourite one:  New Warriors

https://northstarnews.org/29382/reviews-2/marvels-new-warriors-brings-new-controversy/


Ah, I remember this shitstorm. It was basically 'Muh Duhversity: The Comic!'

There were a couple good ideas, a couple lousy ones, and the Morbius knockoff made no sense at all because as far as I am aware, Morbius destroyed all his research because of how badly he'd fucked himself up.

And the whole Safespace/Snowflake dynamic was, astonishingly enough, even creepier than the Scarlet Witch/Quicksilver dynamic in Ultimates (seriously -- it was kind of disturbing, and proof that there was no goddamn editorial oversight for Ultimates 3).

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Re: Strixhaven Dropped subclasses for “relationships”
« Reply #76 on: September 09, 2021, 12:00:34 AM »
My favourite was Fat Dora.

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Re: Strixhaven Dropped subclasses for “relationships”
« Reply #77 on: September 09, 2021, 12:05:22 AM »
Don't forget the kid who got his powers from experimental internet gas!

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Re: Strixhaven Dropped subclasses for “relationships”
« Reply #78 on: September 09, 2021, 06:51:52 AM »
Yeah, the kid with Internet powers wasn't a bad concept (aside from his origin being pants on head stupid). Oddly, chunky girl with magic backpack made me think of Presto from the D&D cartoon -- but I had a suspicion her pack was less 'barely controlled and understood' and more deus ex machina device.

But yeah. There's a reason it still hasn't released.

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Re: Strixhaven Dropped subclasses for “relationships”
« Reply #79 on: September 13, 2021, 02:14:07 AM »
But yeah. There's a reason it still hasn't released.

And that reason was?

New Warriors CANCELLED by Disney Because it Was 'Too Gay.'




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Re: Strixhaven Dropped subclasses for “relationships”
« Reply #80 on: September 13, 2021, 08:11:09 PM »
The truly pathetic part about those "new-new warriors" is...it could have worked.

Essentially these are second-rate superheroes. Yet they are expected to get the job done. But how?

Screentime: Gained his abilities after an experiment to make the Internet more accessible- by using a special receiver/transmitter- somehow made his brain into what amounts to a USB wifi plugin. He can access the Internet almost anywhere except where the signal is blocked or in certain isolated areas. He can "download" information and usually apply it: computer repair, auto repair, location, even fighting to an extent (skill but no extra physical ability). However, he can only use one thing at a time and must avoid information overload.

B-Negative. Good pun, actually. Lose the stupid cape and hair. A vampire, but decided to reclaim her soul. Has normal vampire abilities, can endure sunlight but is badly weakened. She was the result of vampiric traits being passed down by birth, so she will never enter a relationship nor have children since they may suffer what she has to deal with. Fears bloodlust overcoming her. Only support from her friends keeps her going, so she is torn and moody.

Snowflake and Safespace. Lose the stupid outfits. They can do what their names imply: Snowflake has cryogenic ability and Safespace can, given just a little time, literally create extra-dimensional refuges.

Trailblazer. Her magic backpack can conjure anything that can fit in it: food, water, medicine, antivenin, rope, tools, parts (e.g. a computer component, a small car part, etc.).     

Their normal lives are quite mundane, and since they seem to be very young they must deal with the changes that come with that time. Again, they are not much, yet by careful and intelligent use of their abilities can accomplish quite a bit.

And that's key here. Unlike most superheroes who are just plain able to bulldoze through trouble, these must be more savvy and deal with trouble that none of them can just go right through, and much of the comic deals with them learning this, they in fact failing or only partially succeeding as they learn and get better at it- a collective Hero's Journey.

But no, guess Kibblesmith is too busy threatening with a baseball bat to consider what he could actually do here. And that is a pity to any artist.
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Re: Strixhaven Dropped subclasses for “relationships”
« Reply #81 on: September 14, 2021, 10:14:33 AM »
I hate this art style where everyone looks modern but is dressed up as "olde timey"? If you remove the costumes and background, these could be people from 2021. It's disturbing. Maybe I'm biased, but much of the old school art made at least some attempt to depict people with a little more imagination and a little more consistency with the setting.

Maybe it's just me but there seems to be less interest in imagination and actual role play and more interest in constumed soap-opera type stuff.

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Re: Strixhaven Dropped subclasses for “relationships”
« Reply #82 on: September 14, 2021, 03:12:37 PM »
I know you're a lying piece of shit but don't stawman me. When did I mention anything about woke shit? You lying ass. And even comic pros don't lump manga in comic sells you disingenuous liar. How can one manga sell more than all comics if manga is comics you lying fuck?
if these things are so very much the same why do you label them with your own words as different you pedantic asshat.

Do you not even understand the point you were replying to, to begin with? People made the point of get woke go broke, just like comics. I said comics is doing great and so is RPG sales. People said comics isn't doing great, etc., until we got to this point. If you're not even arguing that point then what fucking point are you arguing?

Of course comics pros lump manga in with comics, because the people who create manga ARE COMICS PROS. Shit dude most American comics pros highly respect Japanese comics pros. They're all comics pros. Manga IS comics. It's not selling "more than comics" it IS comics, and it's selling more than AMERICAN SUPERHEROES COMICS.

I mean explain to me this, how is it that a British writer and artist can write a comic book which sells well in the US and you agree it's a comic book but a Japanese writer and artist can write a comic book which sells well in the US and you think it's not a comic? The only difference is the nationality of the author and artist. It's all comics. Comics is a medium of communication. As long as it meets the criteria for that content medium it doesn't matter the nationality of the creators.
If these things are the same why do you label them differently with your own words you pedantic asshat

Why do I label Manga comics as different from Superhero comics? Because most manga comics are not about superheroes? Manga is in fact mostly written by Japanese people, mostly drawn by Japanese people, and mostly represents a certain comics art style. This does not in any way make it not comics, much like Kirby-esque comics are stil comics despite being mostly Americans with a specific American style. It's still all comics though.

I am starting to wonder if this is a racist thing? Why is it meaningful to you to call it "not comics" if it's written and drawn by someone from Japan, but it is "comics" if it's written and drawn by someone from England? Is it comics if it's written and drawn by someone from France ?
Wow your strawmanning is getting tiring.

You

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You know you are wrong, but continue to flail about yelling into the wind that different things are the same. Words have meanings and next you are going to say apples are oranges because they are both fruit. But everyone else will continue on with their lives as you eat paste.

I am right, and I worked in this industry specifically and have many current friends working in that industry specifically.  Manga is part of comics. You can offer zero explanation for why it wouldn't be comics other than "because" followed by insults. I keep asking you how it's not comics and you have no cogent answer which doesn't come down to "because." It's nonsense man. Of course manga is comics!
Look more lying! Then an appeal to authority, but which industry? Because we are taking about two different ones, so cough it up

How am I lying?

HOW IS MANGA NOT COMICS?

And I am not appealing to authority, because I am not saying I am right purely because I've worked in the industry, I am saying the facts I am giving you are right based on actual experience in the industry - evidence they're not just guesses or instinct. And it's the industry we're talking about, but you get no more personal details of my life, thanks.
How are you telling the truth? Because you're not. And you are appealing to authority because you haven't proved you worked in the comuc industry any more than I have. So your facts are 100% lies

How is Manga not comics? You won't answer the question because there is no cogent answer other than "they are comics".

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Re: Strixhaven Dropped subclasses for “relationships”
« Reply #83 on: September 14, 2021, 03:14:30 PM »
You know what's always a silly argument? Claiming there is only one right way to define a word that's clearly being used in different ways by different people.

"It's in a different language with a different style of art" isn't using it differently when, if it were in French with a different style of art, you wouldn't be calling it "not a comic." We're not actually using the word differently, it's just a "because I don't think of manga as comics because it's Japanese" which isn't a fucking argument or different use at all.

Here is what happened to a lot of American comics: they suck.

That's it. That's what happened. People are claiming "they suck because they are woke" but I think it's more accurate to say "they suck AND are woke which also sucks but they'd still suck even if you took the woke out of it." It's not like the stories are good without the woke parts. It's not like the art is good even if you took the woke parts out. The top two American companies are just making a crappy product these days, with or without wokeness in it, and charging way too much for it.  Most of their sales are due to name recognition. It's like the 4e D&D version of Marvel and DC going on right now.

Meanwhile Japanese companies are producing good stuff. Good artwork, good writing. It's good if it's woke, and it's good if it's not woke. And they are charging less per page, even when including the cost to translate and re-print it in English. It's like the Pathfinder version of D&D when 4e came out right now.

That, to me, is an honest summary of what's been going on. It's why Japanese comics are selling so well in America - they're just superior product right now, whether or not they are woke.

And that's important to note - a lot of the Japanese comics selling well right now in American are in fact plenty woke. A lot of LGBTQ+ characters and story lines are happening in some of them that sell well. But, I don't think they are selling well because of those topics. The ones without those topics are selling just as well as the ones with those topics. And I don't think the writers that write about those topics are doing it to "get the Millennial and Gen-Z dollars because we're so hip with the young kids these days" like some of the American companies seem to be doing. I think they're just writing about those topics because they like those topics for those characters and it's a natural fit and the writing remains good.

And similar for the success of the Scholastic and other middle-grade books that are selling really very well right now. Some are woke, some are not, all are selling well, and it's because they're just better products than what Marvel and DC are producing. They cost less per page, the art is consistent and good, the writing is consistent and good and actually about things their readers want to read about, whether or not it is woke.
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Re: Strixhaven Dropped subclasses for “relationships”
« Reply #84 on: September 17, 2021, 03:23:56 PM »
And yet, Comics just had their best year ever also.

It's because they're counting #Manga sales.

And Manga has been trending woke for years by the way.

You mean like 'Goblin Slayer' and 'Redo of a Healer'?

Are you familiar with 'hentai'?

How is Manga not comics? You won't answer the question because there is no cogent answer other than "they are comics".

Well if that were true, then why weren't they included in previous assessments?

Let me break down this disingenuous semantic argument by instead differentiating between Japanese and American comics. The former is thriving, the latter is dying, and the biggest reason is that #Manga is the product of a single creator's vision while #Comics are designed by committee in an attempt to cater to the widest possible audience (and failing spectacularly). And the only reason one would conflate these numbers is if they were trying to deceive folks about how well the American industry is doing.