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Author Topic: Strixhaven Dropped subclasses for “relationships”  (Read 2758 times)

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Re: Strixhaven Dropped subclasses for “relationships”
« Reply #15 on: August 11, 2021, 09:54:37 PM »
I know it's so weird. I was hardcore D&D/AD&D. I played BECM D&D and AD&D simultaneously when I got into the hobby. When 2nd came along I was hyped and loved it. Third came along and I'm like okay some of the stuff looks cool. But since 3.5 WotC always, always, has some straw for me that breaks me. In the 3e/3.5e/D20 era it was the proliferation of feats/magic items. I bought the core three for 4e and I'm like, where's my D&D, wasn't for me. 5e comes along and I was all on board. Really liked how design had advanced but still felt like D&D to me. Then this woke bullshit. And I bought Tasha's thinking okay other systems don't have the sacred cows of racial stat modifiers, maybe I can live with it. But not anymore.

I know I'm not in their target audience. There was an info-graph a couple of months ago and my age bracket (late 40's early 50's) is so small. I'm still in that phase of the relationship where I'm sad but I know I need to let it go. Ah well, I'm glad for the OSR. There are fantastic games out there. DCC is really fun right now.

Funny thing is your age bracket (and mine) has the most dispossable income to drop into hobbies, if D&D/Marvel/DC/etc have less people of that bracket buying their product it's due to their intentional alienation of said consumer base.

I was thinking about that. It's always been a big thing to go after young people in marketing because the thought is you'd make them customers for life. That's a lot less true than it used to be, though. I suspect the way they pile on anything right-leaning these days is a bigger problem.

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Re: Strixhaven Dropped subclasses for “relationships”
« Reply #16 on: August 12, 2021, 06:15:02 AM »
Jeremy Crawford is the worst thing to happen to Dungeons and Dragons. It isn't even close anymore.

Does Strixhaven have an amulet to ward off STDs? Seems like they need to make one.

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Re: Strixhaven Dropped subclasses for “relationships”
« Reply #17 on: August 12, 2021, 11:14:29 PM »
Jeremy Crawford is the worst thing to happen to Dungeons and Dragons. It isn't even close anymore.

Does Strixhaven have an amulet to ward off STDs? Seems like they need to make one.


Jeremy......  It was just a matter of time.
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Re: Strixhaven Dropped subclasses for “relationships”
« Reply #18 on: August 12, 2021, 11:25:49 PM »
WOTC continues to double down on the fluffy puppy dangerhair demographic.

As far as rulebooks for 5E; The Core 3 Books, plus Volo's, Mordenkainen's, Xanathar's, and Tasha's were definitely as far as I cared to go.  I could already see an absence of further interest, in buying a continued reinterpretation of the rules I already owned.

I am constantly reassured, that I was right.

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Re: Strixhaven Dropped subclasses for “relationships”
« Reply #19 on: August 12, 2021, 11:28:21 PM »
Oh look, another WOTC product I will not buy.


Bingo!!!
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Re: Strixhaven Dropped subclasses for “relationships”
« Reply #20 on: August 13, 2021, 01:37:29 PM »
You know what , gang? If you couldn't get that WotC hated our collective guts with DnD 4E, then I don't know what to say because 5E is just a logical extrapolation of the marketing suck that was 4E.

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Re: Strixhaven Dropped subclasses for “relationships”
« Reply #21 on: August 14, 2021, 12:38:04 AM »
Get this:
As Crawford explained, relationships are at the heart of the expansion: “As we reflected on our own experience as university students, we looked at not only how much excitement there can be, but what a hot mess college life can be.  The relationships you can build can become really dear and affectionate, but they can also go the other direction, and you can end up with a frenemy who might end up causing you trouble.”

Source: https://www.belloflostsouls.net/2021/07/dd-strixhaven-book-drops-subclasses-adds-relationships.html

Seriously, this is college now?
SERIOUSLY?!
And the pre-built NPCs to shoehorn into a pre-existing campaign?
No. I don't want WotC pre-designed homoerotic hot-mess frenemies list. NO!
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Re: Strixhaven Dropped subclasses for “relationships”
« Reply #22 on: August 27, 2021, 08:00:03 AM »
BOL is now charging membership fees to access the comments to their articles on their site. Fuck'em, here they are directly from #Disqus.

Spoilers: None of them were complementary.

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Re: Strixhaven Dropped subclasses for “relationships”
« Reply #23 on: August 27, 2021, 08:41:16 AM »
Get this:
As Crawford explained, relationships are at the heart of the expansion: “As we reflected on our own experience as university students, we looked at not only how much excitement there can be, but what a hot mess college life can be.  The relationships you can build can become really dear and affectionate, but they can also go the other direction, and you can end up with a frenemy who might end up causing you trouble.”

Source: https://www.belloflostsouls.net/2021/07/dd-strixhaven-book-drops-subclasses-adds-relationships.html

Seriously, this is college now?
SERIOUSLY?!
And the pre-built NPCs to shoehorn into a pre-existing campaign?
No. I don't want WotC pre-designed homoerotic hot-mess frenemies list. NO!

  That seems like targeting your product to such a specific group, maybe more people are in that target demographic and I think.   It just seems like a case of a company getting a bit too drunk on their own success (like Disney) and maybe forgetting their core objectives.

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Re: Strixhaven Dropped subclasses for “relationships”
« Reply #24 on: August 27, 2021, 09:11:54 AM »
BOL is now charging membership fees to access the comments to their articles on their site. Fuck'em, here they are directly from #Disqus.

Spoilers: None of them were complementary.
Checking this morning, it looks like it tosses up an ad for BOLS Prime but still opens access to the Disqus thread.

However, I am also running Scriptsafe on my browser and that occasionally breaks paywall code (LOL).

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Re: Strixhaven Dropped subclasses for “relationships”
« Reply #25 on: August 27, 2021, 07:50:51 PM »
For the upcoming strixhaven book, I don’t play 5e anymore but get a load of this

https://www.belloflostsouls.net/2021/07/dd-strixhaven-book-drops-subclasses-adds-relationships.html

I mean other than the tumblr art cover Jesus fucking Christ just when it looked like they hit rock bottom they just keep on digging

Yes, yes they do keep digging and the opening sentence of the article had me lol, "D&D players prove that they hate fun and fear change: WotC has announced they’re dropping new subclass concepts from the upcoming Strixhaven book."

So the author got their cheerios peed in eh?

I mean I play 5e cause of family (not my preferred) but WotC lost any income from me with that craptacular Van Recktem's guide

They lost me with Tashas, it was the last straw for me
Same here. I was interested in maybe a Dark Sun or Greyhawk setting book, but after Tasha’s I find myself no longer even interested in whatever they come up with next.

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Re: Strixhaven Dropped subclasses for “relationships”
« Reply #26 on: August 27, 2021, 08:36:19 PM »
For the upcoming strixhaven book, I don’t play 5e anymore but get a load of this

https://www.belloflostsouls.net/2021/07/dd-strixhaven-book-drops-subclasses-adds-relationships.html

I mean other than the tumblr art cover Jesus fucking Christ just when it looked like they hit rock bottom they just keep on digging

Yes, yes they do keep digging and the opening sentence of the article had me lol, "D&D players prove that they hate fun and fear change: WotC has announced they’re dropping new subclass concepts from the upcoming Strixhaven book."

So the author got their cheerios peed in eh?

I mean I play 5e cause of family (not my preferred) but WotC lost any income from me with that craptacular Van Recktem's guide

They lost me with Tashas, it was the last straw for me
Same here. I was interested in maybe a Dark Sun or Greyhawk setting book, but after Tasha’s I find myself no longer even interested in whatever they come up with next.
Yeah.  I actually don't want them to make setting books for the settings I like.  They are guaranteed to screw it  up, and all the lemmings will want to use the WotC trash...

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Re: Strixhaven Dropped subclasses for “relationships”
« Reply #27 on: August 31, 2021, 10:00:49 PM »
I was going to comment on the artwork and link to something for comparison, but after what happened the last time I did...better not to.
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Re: Strixhaven Dropped subclasses for “relationships”
« Reply #28 on: August 31, 2021, 10:48:15 PM »
I know it's so weird. I was hardcore D&D/AD&D. I played BECM D&D and AD&D simultaneously when I got into the hobby. When 2nd came along I was hyped and loved it. Third came along and I'm like okay some of the stuff looks cool. But since 3.5 WotC always, always, has some straw for me that breaks me. In the 3e/3.5e/D20 era it was the proliferation of feats/magic items. I bought the core three for 4e and I'm like, where's my D&D, wasn't for me. 5e comes along and I was all on board. Really liked how design had advanced but still felt like D&D to me. Then this woke bullshit. And I bought Tasha's thinking okay other systems don't have the sacred cows of racial stat modifiers, maybe I can live with it. But not anymore.

I know I'm not in their target audience. There was an info-graph a couple of months ago and my age bracket (late 40's early 50's) is so small. I'm still in that phase of the relationship where I'm sad but I know I need to let it go. Ah well, I'm glad for the OSR. There are fantastic games out there. DCC is really fun right now.

Funny thing is your age bracket (and mine) has the most dispossable income to drop into hobbies, if D&D/Marvel/DC/etc have less people of that bracket buying their product it's due to their intentional alienation of said consumer base.

Incorrect. It's the 20-somethings with jobs but no mortgage, spouse, or kids who have the most disposable income to drop on hobbies. Always has been, and always will be. Your age the money is dominated by other things and hobby expenditures usually decrease. 20-somethings are not usually choosing between buying a new circular saw or a $100 RPG book. 40-somethings do make those choices, and more often choose the saw.

Also, RPG sales keep going up and up and up. It's not that the 40-60 year olds stopped buying (they've remained roughly stable), it's that the teens and 20-somethings are buying a shit-ton more.

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Re: Strixhaven Dropped subclasses for “relationships”
« Reply #29 on: August 31, 2021, 10:50:13 PM »


Suck the gay penis 5e players! Suck it or lose virtue points!


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