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Re: Status of 2020 election fraud
« Reply #105 on: September 26, 2022, 03:23:35 PM »
That said, I also love my country and don’t like shitting on it, so here’s some positive pseudo-propaganda that emphasizes what America DOES do to stop election fraud, and some counter arguments to what I and others have posted about our nation’s system being and having long been literal garbage...

On Attempted Repeat Voting: https://www.ncsl.org/blog/2020/09/04/double-trouble-how-states-keep-people-from-voting-twice.aspx

Some Alternative Perspectives And Responses To Some Of What I And Others Have Said Or Folks Are Saying Elsewhere, Albeit Not Comprehensive And Sometimes A Bit Of A Strawman: https://www.cisa.gov/rumorcontrol

To be fair, a lot of what I and others have said is not addressed by these/my 5 seconds of copy pasting these 2 links, which is because we are right and the system needs to be changed. But yeah, we could be worse, and some people overestimate how bad we have it.

Ignoring that it is the Heritage Foundation, their database is pretty good at detailing all of the cases of fraud, but it is limited to when they started keeping track.

https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud

Post attention to how many cases involved fraudulent use of absentee ballots. It's the single largest category across every state.

More to the point these are just the guys who got caught.

I will admit though that this was less fraud cases than I thought had been confirmed. But like you say it is at least proof that the system has vulnerabilities and fraud does happen. I think a lot is invisible.
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Re: Status of 2020 election fraud
« Reply #106 on: September 26, 2022, 03:58:22 PM »
Greetings!

Yes, distrust and suspicion of the national Election System in America is sky-high. That mistrust and suspicion--contrary to the shrill REEEing of the Libtards--is not without strong merit. While there are few videos, and various courts since November 2020 have rejected arguments and evidence as insufficient--the November 2020 election was felt and perceived differently than any previous election.*

*I should note, however, that in the 2016 election, the Libtards REEE'd and screamed about election fraud, from criticizing the Dominion voting machines, to election officials, and everything in-between.

As I mentioned long ago, my suspicions were raised on election night itself. Trump had the election won as of 10:00PM--then, somehow, by the early morning Brandon was declared the winner. Several states stopped counting votes--and then restarted counting votes in the middle of the night? Somehow, "votes" for Brandon were found in the middle of the night, and counted in the "new tally". So, strange and deep suspicions about election integrity began on the night of the 2020 election for many, many Americans.

More bullshit coming out in the following weeks and months only served to heighten and increase the mistrust and suspicion. I don't care what arguments Trump's lawyers made or fucked up in court.

Libtards and fucking evil globalist bureaucrats are guilty. GUILTY! Why? Because notice how so many election investigations were denied, stonewalled, or otherwise forbidden? If you are innocent, why resist being investigated? I have seen far too many Libtard politicians--as well as fucking RINOS--in various states and state governments lose their shit at their narrative of "The 2020 Election was the safest and most secure election ever" being questioned, and people raising the demand that new investigations be made immediately, with bipartisan supervision and thorough, independent management.

That frequent--and arrogant, dismissive, and smug resistance to new investigations of election integrity right there means you are fucked, the system is fucked, and the country is fucked.

I don't need a pack of lawyers, or a court to rule on a fucking thing. No need for video evidence, or confessions, or stacks of documents, or whaa, whaa, whaa. Whatever kind of "evidence" that suspicious courts hold up as required.

The evidence of corruption, fraud, and deceit is right there, out in the open.

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Re: Status of 2020 election fraud
« Reply #107 on: September 26, 2022, 05:12:06 PM »
Edited to add:

The people maning the polling places? They are ordinary citizens who get "ellected" by chance from the same electoral lists of the district, and they are different every time.

To corrupt them you need to corrupt LOTS of people in a lot of places AND you also need to buy the representatives of the political parties.

Interesting. Are people required to work as poll workers in Mexico if their number comes up, or are there exceptions?

In the U.S., poll workers are generally temporary local workers who apply to the local government - and there are over 900,000 of them in a given election. They're typically retired people (age 60+) who may get a minor stipend but are effectively volunteer. They are not professional workers. Laws vary based on state, but they're generally required to be a local citizen. Local governments generally struggle to get enough poll workers, so it's easy to get hired if one wants to.

With nearly a million people and all the systems locally controlled, the system is hard to manipulate from the top down.

I'd be open to having it be handled as a required work like jury duty instead, but I'm also doubtful that this would have any significant effect -- and I predict it would be hugely unpopular as people were roped into such jobs.

Election observer rules vary based on state and locality, but they're very common throughout the U.S.

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Re: Status of 2020 election fraud
« Reply #108 on: September 26, 2022, 05:58:44 PM »
Elections need to be 100% aboveboard. When there are claims of impropriety and your first response is to obstruct any investigation by any means necessary, I call into question your integrity.

The election commissions *should* have welcomed forensic analysis of each and every ballot if they had confidence in the results.  Why didn't they?

To the last question -- if someone starts in with "you're a dirty lying corrupt cheater who can't do their job" -- then nearly everyone's reaction isn't to say "Oh, I'm so sorry you think that. Let me abase myself to you and try to make you happy." It will be to say "fuck you".

Most U.S. election commissions struggle to get people to help, and are eager to get new workers. It's easy to get a poll worker job. From what I hear, it's even easier more recently because many people have given up on applying because of death threats and harassment that they've been getting.

I'd encourage people to get involved and apply to be a poll worker. It's not some elite class - it's mostly local retirees.

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Re: Status of 2020 election fraud
« Reply #109 on: September 26, 2022, 06:31:48 PM »
Elections need to be 100% aboveboard. When there are claims of impropriety and your first response is to obstruct any investigation by any means necessary, I call into question your integrity.

The election commissions *should* have welcomed forensic analysis of each and every ballot if they had confidence in the results.  Why didn't they?

To the last question -- if someone starts in with "you're a dirty lying corrupt cheater who can't do their job" -- then nearly everyone's reaction isn't to say "Oh, I'm so sorry you think that. Let me abase myself to you and try to make you happy." It will be to say "fuck you".

Most U.S. election commissions struggle to get people to help, and are eager to get new workers. It's easy to get a poll worker job. From what I hear, it's even easier more recently because many people have given up on applying because of death threats and harassment that they've been getting.

I'd encourage people to get involved and apply to be a poll worker. It's not some elite class - it's mostly local retirees.

We know what types of people become poll workers. In Dem-run shithole cities, they're more likely to be someone connected to someone in city government than they are to be retirees. The same types of dead wood infest all levels of government

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Re: Status of 2020 election fraud
« Reply #110 on: September 26, 2022, 07:38:09 PM »
We know what types of people become poll workers. In Dem-run shithole cities, they're more likely to be someone connected to someone in city government than they are to be retirees. The same types of dead wood infest all levels of government

Those categories aren't exclusive - someone can be retired and connected to local government. In every locality - regardless of whether Democrat-run or Republican-run - there are a subset of people who tend to get involved in local government. These tend to be older people with time on their hands, usually home-owners. Young people rarely get involved like this. Most poll workers are age 60+ - again that's regardless of Republican or Democrat controlled areas.

I think it would be great to change local laws to make it a required service like jury duty, as apparently it is done in Mexico.

I just think it would be hugely unpopular because of the work it puts people through.

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« Reply #111 on: September 26, 2022, 08:43:01 PM »
We know what types of people become poll workers. In Dem-run shithole cities, they're more likely to be someone connected to someone in city government than they are to be retirees. The same types of dead wood infest all levels of government

Those categories aren't exclusive - someone can be retired and connected to local government. In every locality - regardless of whether Democrat-run or Republican-run - there are a subset of people who tend to get involved in local government. These tend to be older people with time on their hands, usually home-owners. Young people rarely get involved like this. Most poll workers are age 60+ - again that's regardless of Republican or Democrat controlled areas.

I think it would be great to change local laws to make it a required service like jury duty, as apparently it is done in Mexico.

I just think it would be hugely unpopular because of the work it puts people through.

You're trying to handwaved the fact that in Dem cities, the "retirees" aren't normal actually retired from a productive career older people - they're grifters and criminals who happen to be older.

Unless you actually have worked or lived in one of these shitholes, it's easy to blindly believe that everyone is a decent human being. Those of us who have understand the nature of the typical Dem party machine apparatchiks.
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Re: Status of 2020 election fraud
« Reply #112 on: September 26, 2022, 09:07:16 PM »
To the last question -- if someone starts in with "you're a dirty lying corrupt cheater who can't do their job" -- then nearly everyone's reaction isn't to say "Oh, I'm so sorry you think that. Let me abase myself to you and try to make you happy." It will be to say "fuck you".

Three words come to mind.

"Hoo", "Boo", and "Fricking".

Might need some reshuffling.

If a bunch of people complain that, say, a nurse is hurting patients, stealing their belongings, taking their pudding cups, and mixing up their medications... Or even just one of those things, consistently... They should be investigated by the hospital and, if it's true, either disciplined or fired. To hell with if it hurts their feelings.
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Re: Status of 2020 election fraud
« Reply #113 on: September 26, 2022, 09:15:35 PM »
You're trying to handwaved the fact that in Dem cities, the "retirees" aren't normal actually retired from a productive career older people - they're grifters and criminals who happen to be older.

Unless you actually have worked or lived in one of these shitholes, it's easy to blindly believe that everyone is a decent human being. Those of us who have understand the nature of the typical Dem party machine apparatchiks.

What's your experience here?

I've live in Redwood City for two decades which is very Democrat-leaning, and have been involved with local government in the sense of speaking at town meetings, PTA and education fund orgs, and some other advocacy through my church. I've recognized some people I know as poll workers although I haven't worked as a poll worker myself. I haven't seen anything to indicate that the people I know are criminals, or that they'd knowingly work with criminals.

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« Reply #114 on: September 26, 2022, 10:00:17 PM »
Edited to add:

The people maning the polling places? They are ordinary citizens who get "ellected" by chance from the same electoral lists of the district, and they are different every time.

To corrupt them you need to corrupt LOTS of people in a lot of places AND you also need to buy the representatives of the political parties.

Interesting. Are people required to work as poll workers in Mexico if their number comes up, or are there exceptions?

In the U.S., poll workers are generally temporary local workers who apply to the local government - and there are over 900,000 of them in a given election. They're typically retired people (age 60+) who may get a minor stipend but are effectively volunteer. They are not professional workers. Laws vary based on state, but they're generally required to be a local citizen. Local governments generally struggle to get enough poll workers, so it's easy to get hired if one wants to.

With nearly a million people and all the systems locally controlled, the system is hard to manipulate from the top down.

I'd be open to having it be handled as a required work like jury duty instead, but I'm also doubtful that this would have any significant effect -- and I predict it would be hugely unpopular as people were roped into such jobs.

Election observer rules vary based on state and locality, but they're very common throughout the U.S.

You CAN refuse, and some do, it is a chore since you have to go to training for a few hours during a week or two (it's been too long since I served as election official).

I do imagine some resent being roped into it, but we still remember what it was to have 70 years of the same party always "winning". So we smile and bear it.
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« Reply #115 on: September 26, 2022, 10:06:28 PM »

But yeah, Mexico does indeed seem to have a better system in this arena. And I do appreciate some of the hope you give us with respect to the idea that it can be done better.

IMHO, part of the problem is that each state can do whatever and they often do. I think that in this case a federal solution is best, same standards everywhere.

Here we have state electoral organisms but they can't do whatever their stupid ass thinks off, they are to organize, supervise, etc the elections in their state, be it local or federal, but the rules are federal, done by the INE (National Electoral Institue), and the state orgs depend from it and have to follow the rules.

So no state can just decide that foreigners get to vote in their local elections because the electoral law is federal. Neither can a state decide to do away with the ID or to implement electronic voting machines.

While I do admire the state's rights attitude and think WE should copy much of that I think there are places where it's not appropriate to go that route.
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Re: Status of 2020 election fraud
« Reply #116 on: September 27, 2022, 09:29:10 AM »
You're trying to handwaved the fact that in Dem cities, the "retirees" aren't normal actually retired from a productive career older people - they're grifters and criminals who happen to be older.

Unless you actually have worked or lived in one of these shitholes, it's easy to blindly believe that everyone is a decent human being. Those of us who have understand the nature of the typical Dem party machine apparatchiks.

What's your experience here?

I've live in Redwood City for two decades which is very Democrat-leaning, and have been involved with local government in the sense of speaking at town meetings, PTA and education fund orgs, and some other advocacy through my church. I've recognized some people I know as poll workers although I haven't worked as a poll worker myself. I haven't seen anything to indicate that the people I know are criminals, or that they'd knowingly work with criminals.

My experience?  Camden and Newark, NJ. Philadelphia. Miami. San Diego, LA, Honolulu.

Redwood City? It's 60% white and full of silicon valley cash where only 7.3% of the populace earns below the poverty level. It's not a good representation of a typical Dem-run shithole.

Compare that with Philly (23.3%), Newark (25.2%) and Camden (37.4%) The poverty rate, poorly-run government, lack of access to services, and corrupt election activity are all directly correlatable to the crooks who get elected to public office and run these hellholes like African warlords.

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« Reply #117 on: September 27, 2022, 04:35:12 PM »
What's your experience here?

I've live in Redwood City for two decades which is very Democrat-leaning, and have been involved with local government in the sense of speaking at town meetings, PTA and education fund orgs, and some other advocacy through my church. I've recognized some people I know as poll workers although I haven't worked as a poll worker myself. I haven't seen anything to indicate that the people I know are criminals, or that they'd knowingly work with criminals.

My experience?  Camden and Newark, NJ. Philadelphia. Miami. San Diego, LA, Honolulu.

Wow. You've moved around a lot. Can you say more about what you've seen from your experience in those places? How did you interact with the poll workers and local government?

I lived in New York City from 1991 to 1993, and Chicago from 1995 to 1998 -- but I wasn't involved in local politics during that time. I voted, but I didn't know any poll workers or city council members. It wasn't until after I settled and started raising my son in 2000 that I did stuff like go to city council meetings. More on that below...

Redwood City? It's 60% white and full of silicon valley cash where only 7.3% of the populace earns below the poverty level. It's not a good representation of a typical Dem-run shithole.

Well, we're only 40% non-hispanic white. But yes, we have a bunch of money, and I'm sure politics in more poverty-stricken cities is quite different. Still, I would think a lot of the processes are similar. For my city, I don't trust most of my local city council as people. Our mayor is a former Facebook exec. (I didn't vote for her.) Still, they are constrained by legal and citizen oversight. There are citizens like me who come to city council meetings, and check up on what they are doing around town. There are at least a few people I know and support who are inside local government.

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« Reply #118 on: September 28, 2022, 08:07:03 AM »
What's your experience here?

I've live in Redwood City for two decades which is very Democrat-leaning, and have been involved with local government in the sense of speaking at town meetings, PTA and education fund orgs, and some other advocacy through my church. I've recognized some people I know as poll workers although I haven't worked as a poll worker myself. I haven't seen anything to indicate that the people I know are criminals, or that they'd knowingly work with criminals.

My experience?  Camden and Newark, NJ. Philadelphia. Miami. San Diego, LA, Honolulu.

Wow. You've moved around a lot. Can you say more about what you've seen from your experience in those places? How did you interact with the poll workers and local government?

I lived in New York City from 1991 to 1993, and Chicago from 1995 to 1998 -- but I wasn't involved in local politics during that time. I voted, but I didn't know any poll workers or city council members. It wasn't until after I settled and started raising my son in 2000 that I did stuff like go to city council meetings. More on that below...

Redwood City? It's 60% white and full of silicon valley cash where only 7.3% of the populace earns below the poverty level. It's not a good representation of a typical Dem-run shithole.

Well, we're only 40% non-hispanic white. But yes, we have a bunch of money, and I'm sure politics in more poverty-stricken cities is quite different. Still, I would think a lot of the processes are similar. For my city, I don't trust most of my local city council as people. Our mayor is a former Facebook exec. (I didn't vote for her.) Still, they are constrained by legal and citizen oversight. There are citizens like me who come to city council meetings, and check up on what they are doing around town. There are at least a few people I know and support who are inside local government.

I've seen voters intimidated by Black Panthers. I've seen blatant campaigning by Dems (involving passing out cash to voters) outside polling places go unchallenged by poll workers (who have called the police on Republican and 3rd Party candidates and their supporters wearing "[Candidate] for [Office]" shirts showing up to vote. I've seen poll workers receive duffel bags of ballots.

It's not just limited to voting. *Every* aspect of Dem-machine cities is a lawless hellscape.  Do-gooder liberals in gated communities have zero idea of how these places actually operate vs. how they envision them operating. No idea. None.  The corruption in these megalopolis Dem enclaves is deep-seated and generational. You can't fix it without having a zero tolerance broken windows approach to voting irregularities to ensure that the corruption stops getting elected.

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« Reply #119 on: September 28, 2022, 02:35:01 PM »
I've live in Redwood City for two decades which is very Democrat-leaning, and have been involved with local government in the sense of speaking at town meetings, PTA and education fund orgs, and some other advocacy through my church. I've recognized some people I know as poll workers although I haven't worked as a poll worker myself. I haven't seen anything to indicate that the people I know are criminals, or that they'd knowingly work with criminals.
I don't know about Redwood City (grew up in Foster City) but in North County San Diego they don't check ID. The poll watchers could be honest as the day is long and it wouldn't matter as anybody could say a name and drop off a ballot and nobody would know unless they ended up with two from the same name.
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