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Author Topic: Status of 2020 election fraud  (Read 3557 times)

jhkim

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Status of 2020 election fraud
« on: September 18, 2022, 07:36:55 PM »
I'm curious among those who have followed it, what do you think about the status of U.S. election fraud in 2020. It seems to me that legal efforts to overturn or prove election fraud in 2020 have stalled.

But even if they haven't passed in the courts, there are people still trying to investigate and collect evidence. Do people think that there has been any progress in identifying how election fraud happened? At the time, I saw a lot of claims. Has time allowed clarifying any of those claims? For example, was there a raid on server farms in Germany that were involved in the elections?

Also, what does the progress (or lack thereof) mean for the upcoming 2022 midterm elections?

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Re: Status of 2020 election fraud
« Reply #1 on: September 19, 2022, 01:15:48 AM »
As far as I've been able to tell the only novel election fraud from 2020 that has gone to the point of prosecution fell into two categories: a handful of cases (less than a dozen) that were Republicans trying to stress-test the system but doing so illegally, and a few dozen cases of felons who were told they were able to register, but the people telling them that were wrong (almost all were in Florida). There are also the usual few cases scattered across the country where someone fraudulently tries to vote for someone else that happen every election.

Other than that, it's all allegations without any proof.
« Last Edit: September 19, 2022, 01:31:33 AM by ScytheSong »

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Re: Status of 2020 election fraud
« Reply #2 on: September 19, 2022, 11:58:24 AM »
As far as I've been able to tell the only novel election fraud from 2020 that has gone to the point of prosecution fell into two categories: a handful of cases (less than a dozen) that were Republicans trying to stress-test the system but doing so illegally, and a few dozen cases of felons who were told they were able to register, but the people telling them that were wrong (almost all were in Florida). There are also the usual few cases scattered across the country where someone fraudulently tries to vote for someone else that happen every election.

Other than that, it's all allegations without any proof.

That's not entirely true.  There *are* cases of election officials being prosecuted for shenanigans and there are ongoing investigations. But they're so few and far between because no one really wants to expose the exact depth and breadth of shenanigans that have been going on for decades.

We know that Nixon beat Kennedy but the shenanigans in IL and TX led to Kennedy winning the electoral votes in those states.

The difference between then and now is that now we have *no* excuses to not have transparency in the entire process. Cleaning up voter rolls is low-hanging fruit, as is having an equal number of officials from both major parties sitting on election boards. Having a system that flags an absentee ballot if an in-person ballot from the same person is cast isn't that hard (and provides an incentive to clean up the rolls). Having the ability to video record the people doing the machine prep and test is easy. Requiring voting machine supplies to provide source code just requires the ability of government procurement people to walk away from bid and proposal responses that don't include it. Having the ability to 100% confirm that electronic voting machines are air-gapped is easy - don't supply them with wifi or cell modem and be able to physically lock out the network ports.

This is all *easy* but it requires government employees to not be lazy or corrupt.
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Re: Status of 2020 election fraud
« Reply #3 on: September 19, 2022, 01:39:46 PM »
The establishment won because the opposition didn't do violence.

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Re: Status of 2020 election fraud
« Reply #4 on: September 19, 2022, 02:16:57 PM »
Both sides mow believe if the other side wins then it was fraud. Congratulations, we’ve successfully broken democracy, the best system we’ve developed so far. Humanity is fucked now.

We might as well use lottery or death combat to pick our leaders

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Re: Status of 2020 election fraud
« Reply #5 on: September 19, 2022, 03:07:37 PM »
>democracy
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>what we had was democracy
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Re: Status of 2020 election fraud
« Reply #6 on: September 19, 2022, 03:28:20 PM »
The establishment won because the opposition didn't do violence.
Try not to glow so hard there.

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Re: Status of 2020 election fraud
« Reply #7 on: September 19, 2022, 05:20:20 PM »
The 2020 election was a legit election. If there was any decent evidence of widespread fraud, it would have been brought to the courts by now and received favorably. I know a lot of people have "feelings" about how the elections were conducted, but the way these issues are resolved is through the court system, by presenting evidence, not through people feeling things.

Certainly our elections could be improved. Both parties are guilty of gerrymandering, for example. But we're not really in a political climate where those reforms can take place.


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Re: Status of 2020 election fraud
« Reply #8 on: September 19, 2022, 06:00:56 PM »
The establishment won because the opposition didn't do violence.
Try not to glow so hard there.

You're the kind of faggot that would call the Founding Fathers glowies, you spineless turd.

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Re: Status of 2020 election fraud
« Reply #9 on: September 19, 2022, 07:52:32 PM »
The establishment won because the opposition didn't do violence.
Try not to glow so hard there.

You're the kind of faggot that would call the Founding Fathers glowies, you spineless turd.
You're a fedposting lowlife. Get your whole head in front of the shotgun when you check out.

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Re: Status of 2020 election fraud
« Reply #10 on: September 19, 2022, 10:18:53 PM »
You're a fedposting lowlife.

That would explain some things about that guy's posts.

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Re: Status of 2020 election fraud
« Reply #11 on: September 19, 2022, 10:25:09 PM »
The establishment won because the opposition didn't do violence.
Try not to glow so hard there.

You're the kind of faggot that would call the Founding Fathers glowies, you spineless turd.
You're a fedposting lowlife. Get your whole head in front of the shotgun when you check out.
>fedposting on some minor RPG site
You're an inbred hick. Do the gene pool a favor and don't procreate. Then when the unwashed mongrel hordes of joggers, NASA engineers, and zippertits invade your rural home, you'll impotently clutch at your guns that you turned over to the ATF, because you're a fucking pansy.

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Re: Status of 2020 election fraud
« Reply #12 on: September 20, 2022, 09:13:49 AM »
The establishment won because the opposition didn't do violence.
Try not to glow so hard there.

You're the kind of faggot that would call the Founding Fathers glowies, you spineless turd.
You're a fedposting lowlife. Get your whole head in front of the shotgun when you check out.
>fedposting on some minor RPG site
You're an inbred hick. Do the gene pool a favor and don't procreate. Then when the unwashed mongrel hordes of joggers, NASA engineers, and zippertits invade your rural home, you'll impotently clutch at your guns that you turned over to the ATF, because you're a fucking pansy.

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Yawn. And you're a cuck. And off to the cornfield you go.

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Re: Status of 2020 election fraud
« Reply #13 on: September 20, 2022, 09:30:16 AM »
The establishment won because the opposition didn't do violence.
Try not to glow so hard there.

You're the kind of faggot that would call the Founding Fathers glowies, you spineless turd.
You're a fedposting lowlife. Get your whole head in front of the shotgun when you check out.
>fedposting on some minor RPG site
You're an inbred hick. Do the gene pool a favor and don't procreate. Then when the unwashed mongrel hordes of joggers, NASA engineers, and zippertits invade your rural home, you'll impotently clutch at your guns that you turned over to the ATF, because you're a fucking pansy.

גויים, לציית

For anyone not familiar, "joggers", in this context, is a subsitute for the n-word, used by racists to evade bans and word filters. And the Hebrew text at the bottom of this post reads, "Gentiles, obey." So aside from this dude's tiresome schtick, it's safe to say he's a proponent of anti-semitic conspiracy theories, and probably a racist. It's rare for Ghostmaker and I to agree, but yeah, dude needs to wash his mouth out with a revolver ASAP.

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Re: Status of 2020 election fraud
« Reply #14 on: September 20, 2022, 09:46:31 AM »
The 2020 election was a legit election. If there was any decent evidence of widespread fraud, it would have been brought to the courts by now and received favorably. I know a lot of people have "feelings" about how the elections were conducted, but the way these issues are resolved is through the court system, by presenting evidence, not through people feeling things.

Certainly our elections could be improved. Both parties are guilty of gerrymandering, for example. But we're not really in a political climate where those reforms can take place.

But that's the problem that too many people don't understand.  There wasn't widespread fraud. The fraud doesn't *need* to be "widespread" to impact election results. It just needs to be "enough" in little bitty ways in each district for it to add up.  If you have 1000 ballots from dead people in 10 wards in one district that flips that district and 500 ballots filled out "on behalf" of nursing home residents in another district that flips that district, next thing you know, that state goes in the opposite direction than it should have. In a different state, if the voting machines erroneously flip ballots, then maybe it's enough for that district to go in a different direction which flips the state.  In a third state, let's say that the board of elections is stacked with people who are members of one party. Maybe there is no overt corruption, but they might skirt the line of legality to give a BIG benefit of the doubt when doing recounts or deciding which absentee ballots should be disqualified or deciding how much effort to put into cleaning up voter rolls. In yet another state, no one questions 20000 ballots from different people all using the same address (which turns out to be a vacant lot). Or mail ballots received with post marks that were dated *before* the voter sent in the request for the ballot. Or votes from out of state or underage voters.

Now do that across every state and it *is* a problem.

That has been going on for *decades* ( probably all the way to Geo. Washington's campaign for office.)

What is different (and entirely unexplained or unexplainable) is the seemingly "coincidental" manner n which multiple states all stopped counting for the night and then when they restarted the count the next morning there was somehow a prompt jump in the ballots going for Biden. There is incontrovertible proof that election officials and state government officials had conference calls in the early morning hours right after the election. There is incontrovertible proof that many states had electronic voting machines that were "updated" hours before the polls opened and/or that had connectivity to the Internet during the election.

Some of the lawsuits filed by Trump may have been devoid of merit. But not all. Judges actively found a way to reject the lawsuits or willfully refuse to hear evidence to avoid causing chaos in the form of leftist terrorist riots rather than actually upholding the law. How, for example, could Trump (running for a national elected position) somehow *not* have standing?  By virtue of the fact that it was a national position, he should have had standing in *every* state.

What people want is the absence of even the *appearance* of impropriety.  When elections in 3rd world dictatorships have better election integrity, it's a problem.

Solutions are very easy:

1. Clean the voter rolls. A simple dbase query and compare of people on voter rolls and who have been issued a death certificate isn't that hard. Neither is seeing how many voters are using the same address (and what that address actually is).

2. Have a process to ensure all voting machines are in working order and properly set up a week before polls open and are then secured with chain of custody from that point forward until a winner is declared.

3. Have unbiased observers - an equal number from every party whose candidates are on the ballot who are allowed unfettered access.

4. Actually follow the laws in your state surrounding elections. We had several states try to legislate election results by manipulating the laws surrounding election conduct *as the election season was in full swing.* We had several states where election officials didn't follow their own procedures.

5. No automatic mail ballots - they should only go to those who actually request them.
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