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Re: Status of 2020 election fraud
« Reply #15 on: September 20, 2022, 10:24:31 AM »
The establishment won because the opposition didn't do violence.
Try not to glow so hard there.

You're the kind of faggot that would call the Founding Fathers glowies, you spineless turd.
You're a fedposting lowlife. Get your whole head in front of the shotgun when you check out.
>fedposting on some minor RPG site
You're an inbred hick. Do the gene pool a favor and don't procreate. Then when the unwashed mongrel hordes of joggers, NASA engineers, and zippertits invade your rural home, you'll impotently clutch at your guns that you turned over to the ATF, because you're a fucking pansy.

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For anyone not familiar, "joggers", in this context, is a subsitute for the n-word, used by racists to evade bans and word filters. And the Hebrew text at the bottom of this post reads, "Gentiles, obey." So aside from this dude's tiresome schtick, it's safe to say he's a proponent of anti-semitic conspiracy theories, and probably a racist. It's rare for Ghostmaker and I to agree, but yeah, dude needs to wash his mouth out with a revolver ASAP.

Cool it with the antisemitism, buddy.

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Re: Status of 2020 election fraud
« Reply #16 on: September 20, 2022, 11:04:51 AM »
The establishment won because the opposition didn't do violence.
Try not to glow so hard there.

You're the kind of faggot that would call the Founding Fathers glowies, you spineless turd.
You're a fedposting lowlife. Get your whole head in front of the shotgun when you check out.
>fedposting on some minor RPG site
You're an inbred hick. Do the gene pool a favor and don't procreate. Then when the unwashed mongrel hordes of joggers, NASA engineers, and zippertits invade your rural home, you'll impotently clutch at your guns that you turned over to the ATF, because you're a fucking pansy.

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Re: Status of 2020 election fraud
« Reply #17 on: September 20, 2022, 11:08:31 AM »
As far as I've been able to tell the only novel election fraud from 2020 that has gone to the point of prosecution fell into two categories: a handful of cases (less than a dozen) that were Republicans trying to stress-test the system but doing so illegally, and a few dozen cases of felons who were told they were able to register, but the people telling them that were wrong (almost all were in Florida). There are also the usual few cases scattered across the country where someone fraudulently tries to vote for someone else that happen every election.

Other than that, it's all allegations without any proof.

That's not entirely true.  There *are* cases of election officials being prosecuted for shenanigans and there are ongoing investigations. But they're so few and far between because no one really wants to expose the exact depth and breadth of shenanigans that have been going on for decades.

We know that Nixon beat Kennedy but the shenanigans in IL and TX led to Kennedy winning the electoral votes in those states.

The difference between then and now is that now we have *no* excuses to not have transparency in the entire process. Cleaning up voter rolls is low-hanging fruit, as is having an equal number of officials from both major parties sitting on election boards. Having a system that flags an absentee ballot if an in-person ballot from the same person is cast isn't that hard (and provides an incentive to clean up the rolls). Having the ability to video record the people doing the machine prep and test is easy. Requiring voting machine supplies to provide source code just requires the ability of government procurement people to walk away from bid and proposal responses that don't include it. Having the ability to 100% confirm that electronic voting machines are air-gapped is easy - don't supply them with wifi or cell modem and be able to physically lock out the network ports.

This is all *easy* but it requires government employees to not be lazy or corrupt.

Exactly. The biggest evidence that voter fraud could be happening is the fact that the Democratic party didn't react to the 2020 election controversy by saying "we're going to take all the measures we can possibly take to make sure that no one will have cause to question the next election, to make sure as many Americans as possible believe it is free and fair". Instead they did what a third world banana republic does: doubled down on repeating the exact same dubious policies while calling the other party "dangerous extremists" and threatening anyone who questions the election of the glorious leader.
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Re: Status of 2020 election fraud
« Reply #18 on: September 20, 2022, 11:35:14 AM »
As far as I've been able to tell the only novel election fraud from 2020 that has gone to the point of prosecution fell into two categories: a handful of cases (less than a dozen) that were Republicans trying to stress-test the system but doing so illegally, and a few dozen cases of felons who were told they were able to register, but the people telling them that were wrong (almost all were in Florida). There are also the usual few cases scattered across the country where someone fraudulently tries to vote for someone else that happen every election.

Other than that, it's all allegations without any proof.

That's not entirely true.  There *are* cases of election officials being prosecuted for shenanigans and there are ongoing investigations. But they're so few and far between because no one really wants to expose the exact depth and breadth of shenanigans that have been going on for decades.

We know that Nixon beat Kennedy but the shenanigans in IL and TX led to Kennedy winning the electoral votes in those states.

The difference between then and now is that now we have *no* excuses to not have transparency in the entire process. Cleaning up voter rolls is low-hanging fruit, as is having an equal number of officials from both major parties sitting on election boards. Having a system that flags an absentee ballot if an in-person ballot from the same person is cast isn't that hard (and provides an incentive to clean up the rolls). Having the ability to video record the people doing the machine prep and test is easy. Requiring voting machine supplies to provide source code just requires the ability of government procurement people to walk away from bid and proposal responses that don't include it. Having the ability to 100% confirm that electronic voting machines are air-gapped is easy - don't supply them with wifi or cell modem and be able to physically lock out the network ports.

This is all *easy* but it requires government employees to not be lazy or corrupt.

Exactly. The biggest evidence that voter fraud could be happening is the fact that the Democratic party didn't react to the 2020 election controversy by saying "we're going to take all the measures we can possibly take to make sure that no one will have cause to question the next election, to make sure as many Americans as possible believe it is free and fair". Instead they did what a third world banana republic does: doubled down on repeating the exact same dubious policies while calling the other party "dangerous extremists" and threatening anyone who questions the election of the glorious leader.

This is like saying that the biggest evidence that the Earth is flat is the fact that the scientific community at large isn't reacting to that accusation with a massive, coordinated campaign to educate the populace on the world's semispherical shape. What you posted is "anecdote", not "evidence".

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Re: Status of 2020 election fraud
« Reply #19 on: September 20, 2022, 11:38:05 AM »
Y'know, banning a Jew for antisemitism is the motherfucking HEIGHT of irony.

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Re: Status of 2020 election fraud
« Reply #20 on: September 20, 2022, 11:47:34 AM »
Y'know, banning a Jew for antisemitism is the motherfucking HEIGHT of irony.

Alt spotted. Also, would it kill you to read a history book once in a while?

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Re: Status of 2020 election fraud
« Reply #21 on: September 20, 2022, 12:05:53 PM »

Exactly. The biggest evidence that voter fraud could be happening is the fact that the Democratic party didn't react to the 2020 election controversy by saying "we're going to take all the measures we can possibly take to make sure that no one will have cause to question the next election, to make sure as many Americans as possible believe it is free and fair". Instead they did what a third world banana republic does: doubled down on repeating the exact same dubious policies while calling the other party "dangerous extremists" and threatening anyone who questions the election of the glorious leader.

This is like saying that the biggest evidence that the Earth is flat is the fact that the scientific community at large isn't reacting to that accusation with a massive, coordinated campaign to educate the populace on the world's semispherical shape. What you posted is "anecdote", not "evidence".

False equivalence detected, Flat earthers can't point to a single scientific discrepancy in the data or methods.

But there's enough anecdotal evidence of shit that never before happened in the USA to cast doubts upon the electoral system:

Absence of electoral ID that even México has.
Vans droping ballots in the middle of the night.
Reports before and after of ballot harvesting
Changing the rules suddenly
Not following the laws
Stopping the ballot count and then resuming with a giant jump in one direction.
People voting illegally
Irregularities in the voter lists

Fuck we haven't seen that many irregularities in México in a few decades.

Furthermore: there's a massive coordinated campaign to educate the populace regarding the earth's shape, it's called science class.
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Re: Status of 2020 election fraud
« Reply #22 on: September 20, 2022, 12:20:53 PM »
Ah, yes, "anecdotal data", the hallmark of serious scientific research...

No lawsuits. PACs, or Republican think tanks have unearthed evidence of widespread or pivotal fraud to date.

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Re: Status of 2020 election fraud
« Reply #23 on: September 20, 2022, 03:50:36 PM »
Exactly. The biggest evidence that voter fraud could be happening is the fact that the Democratic party didn't react to the 2020 election controversy by saying "we're going to take all the measures we can possibly take to make sure that no one will have cause to question the next election, to make sure as many Americans as possible believe it is free and fair". Instead they did what a third world banana republic does: doubled down on repeating the exact same dubious policies while calling the other party "dangerous extremists" and threatening anyone who questions the election of the glorious leader.

Almost, the biggest evidence of voter fraud is that any attempt... any attempt to make the voting process more secure, like requiring ID to vote, is branded as "voter suppression" and "racism".

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Re: Status of 2020 election fraud
« Reply #24 on: September 20, 2022, 04:00:09 PM »
Y'know, banning a Jew for antisemitism is the motherfucking HEIGHT of irony.

Pundit was given a series of options he could choose from for reasons to ban you. It could have been your use of the n-word with the "joggers" slang, for instance. Or the fact you were constantly posing off-topic. Instead he chose your, "Gentiles, obey" sig. It's really quite difficult to get banned here, and you managed to do the near-impossible in multiple ways in one post. Bravo?

As for the election fraud topic, I don't really care what you think about it. But I do care about what others think about it here. I don't think there was meaningful election fraud but it's a type of allegation which is so important that, even if I think the odds are extremely against it being real, I have to be willing to listen because the ramifications of it being real are pretty dire.

And I do agree with Pundit that we should be reacting by tightening up the security of our elections system. It doesn't matter if you think it's silly - when nearly half the nation doesn't think it's silly, that's reason enough to react by tightening up your security.

I am of the view that we need a national paid holiday for election day (move President's Day to that date for instance). No excuse of "I can't afford to take time off from work" if it's a national paid holiday.

Voting should be done in person unless a note from your doctor says you cannot make it to the polls or your nearest polling station is so far that it would be impractical to demand you go that far to vote.

And then we should issue a free, universal nation-wide high security voter ID to everyone, which can be obtained by the same means as a passport or selective service. Post offices, DMVs, government passport service agencies, etc.. MOST other nations use a national voter ID, and I don't see why we can't do that as well.

And finally the voting machines should all be the same, and involve no computers in taking votes, involve a paper ballot which you get a recipe for, and never touch in the Internet (which if they're low tech and use no computers to take votes shouldn't be hard to achieve). While counting can use a machine, that machine cannot be attached to the Internet and should be available for observers from any party on the ballot. Counting methods for unusual issues should be standardized across the nation, and hand counting should be allowed if the vote count of the machine is close, or if one party is willing to pay for a hand count. to verify the count.

Other nations can and have done elections in this same way, and they have far fewer problems than we do. We should take the security of our elections seriously. Technology is great for many things, but we need to go lower tech for elections due to the risks involved. Even if that means it takes longer to process results.
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Re: Status of 2020 election fraud
« Reply #25 on: September 20, 2022, 04:34:07 PM »
Y'know, banning a Jew for antisemitism is the motherfucking HEIGHT of irony.

Pundit was given a series of options he could choose from for reasons to ban you. It could have been your use of the n-word with the "joggers" slang, for instance. Or the fact you were constantly posing off-topic. Instead he chose your, "Gentiles, obey" sig. It's really quite difficult to get banned here, and you managed to do the near-impossible in multiple ways in one post. Bravo?

As for the election fraud topic, I don't really care what you think about it. But I do care about what others think about it here. I don't think there was meaningful election fraud but it's a type of allegation which is so important that, even if I think the odds are extremely against it being real, I have to be willing to listen because the ramifications of it being real are pretty dire.

And I do agree with Pundit that we should be reacting by tightening up the security of our elections system. It doesn't matter if you think it's silly - when nearly half the nation doesn't think it's silly, that's reason enough to react by tightening up your security.

I am of the view that we need a national paid holiday for election day (move President's Day to that date for instance). No excuse of "I can't afford to take time off from work" if it's a national paid holiday.

Voting should be done in person unless a note from your doctor says you cannot make it to the polls or your nearest polling station is so far that it would be impractical to demand you go that far to vote.

And then we should issue a free, universal nation-wide high security voter ID to everyone, which can be obtained by the same means as a passport or selective service. Post offices, DMVs, government passport service agencies, etc.. MOST other nations use a national voter ID, and I don't see why we can't do that as well.

And finally the voting machines should all be the same, and involve no computers in taking votes, involve a paper ballot which you get a recipe for, and never touch in the Internet (which if they're low tech and use no computers to take votes shouldn't be hard to achieve). While counting can use a machine, that machine cannot be attached to the Internet and should be available for observers from any party on the ballot. Counting methods for unusual issues should be standardized across the nation, and hand counting should be allowed if the vote count of the machine is close, or if one party is willing to pay for a hand count. to verify the count.

Other nations can and have done elections in this same way, and they have far fewer problems than we do. We should take the security of our elections seriously. Technology is great for many things, but we need to go lower tech for elections due to the risks involved. Even if that means it takes longer to process results.

Not very much you and I agree politically, but in this you nailed it.

In México the counting is made by hand in each voting station in the presence of representatives of ALL the parties that sent one, they publish their count, then send everyhthing to be counted AGAIN elsewhere.

We have a "free" national voting ID, and it really doesn't take THAT long until you know the winner.

I mean it shouldn't be that WE have a better electoral system than you guys.
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Re: Status of 2020 election fraud
« Reply #26 on: September 20, 2022, 05:24:13 PM »
Y'know, banning a Jew for antisemitism is the motherfucking HEIGHT of irony.

Pundit was given a series of options he could choose from for reasons to ban you. It could have been your use of the n-word with the "joggers" slang, for instance. Or the fact you were constantly posing off-topic. Instead he chose your, "Gentiles, obey" sig. It's really quite difficult to get banned here, and you managed to do the near-impossible in multiple ways in one post. Bravo?

As for the election fraud topic, I don't really care what you think about it. But I do care about what others think about it here. I don't think there was meaningful election fraud but it's a type of allegation which is so important that, even if I think the odds are extremely against it being real, I have to be willing to listen because the ramifications of it being real are pretty dire.

And I do agree with Pundit that we should be reacting by tightening up the security of our elections system. It doesn't matter if you think it's silly - when nearly half the nation doesn't think it's silly, that's reason enough to react by tightening up your security.

I am of the view that we need a national paid holiday for election day (move President's Day to that date for instance). No excuse of "I can't afford to take time off from work" if it's a national paid holiday.

Voting should be done in person unless a note from your doctor says you cannot make it to the polls or your nearest polling station is so far that it would be impractical to demand you go that far to vote.

And then we should issue a free, universal nation-wide high security voter ID to everyone, which can be obtained by the same means as a passport or selective service. Post offices, DMVs, government passport service agencies, etc.. MOST other nations use a national voter ID, and I don't see why we can't do that as well.

And finally the voting machines should all be the same, and involve no computers in taking votes, involve a paper ballot which you get a recipe for, and never touch in the Internet (which if they're low tech and use no computers to take votes shouldn't be hard to achieve). While counting can use a machine, that machine cannot be attached to the Internet and should be available for observers from any party on the ballot. Counting methods for unusual issues should be standardized across the nation, and hand counting should be allowed if the vote count of the machine is close, or if one party is willing to pay for a hand count. to verify the count.

Other nations can and have done elections in this same way, and they have far fewer problems than we do. We should take the security of our elections seriously. Technology is great for many things, but we need to go lower tech for elections due to the risks involved. Even if that means it takes longer to process results.

Not very much you and I agree politically, but in this you nailed it.

In México the counting is made by hand in each voting station in the presence of representatives of ALL the parties that sent one, they publish their count, then send everyhthing to be counted AGAIN elsewhere.

We have a "free" national voting ID, and it really doesn't take THAT long until you know the winner.

I mean it shouldn't be that WE have a better electoral system than you guys.

But the citizenry is used to instant gratification!!  We can't go back to the days of pony express telegrams!!!  Fake outrage aside, it wouldn't kill anyone for there to be a delay in the results of elections until absentee ballots get counted and any challenges to ballot counts are satisfactorily addressed.  We also need to get away from the network newsreaders being allowed to "declare" winners.  In reality, it would do everyone a world of good to slow down *everything* about our lives.
 
But yeah, we'd be better doing elections with something as low-tech as the Iraqis dipping voters' thumbs in ink after voting so that they couldn't go and vote again...

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« Reply #27 on: September 20, 2022, 05:34:32 PM »
As far as I've been able to tell the only novel election fraud from 2020 that has gone to the point of prosecution fell into two categories: a handful of cases (less than a dozen) that were Republicans trying to stress-test the system but doing so illegally, and a few dozen cases of felons who were told they were able to register, but the people telling them that were wrong (almost all were in Florida). There are also the usual few cases scattered across the country where someone fraudulently tries to vote for someone else that happen every election.

Other than that, it's all allegations without any proof.

That's not entirely true.  There *are* cases of election officials being prosecuted for shenanigans and there are ongoing investigations. But they're so few and far between because no one really wants to expose the exact depth and breadth of shenanigans that have been going on for decades.

We know that Nixon beat Kennedy but the shenanigans in IL and TX led to Kennedy winning the electoral votes in those states.

The difference between then and now is that now we have *no* excuses to not have transparency in the entire process. Cleaning up voter rolls is low-hanging fruit, as is having an equal number of officials from both major parties sitting on election boards. Having a system that flags an absentee ballot if an in-person ballot from the same person is cast isn't that hard (and provides an incentive to clean up the rolls). Having the ability to video record the people doing the machine prep and test is easy. Requiring voting machine supplies to provide source code just requires the ability of government procurement people to walk away from bid and proposal responses that don't include it. Having the ability to 100% confirm that electronic voting machines are air-gapped is easy - don't supply them with wifi or cell modem and be able to physically lock out the network ports.

This is all *easy* but it requires government employees to not be lazy or corrupt.

Exactly. The biggest evidence that voter fraud could be happening is the fact that the Democratic party didn't react to the 2020 election controversy by saying "we're going to take all the measures we can possibly take to make sure that no one will have cause to question the next election, to make sure as many Americans as possible believe it is free and fair". Instead they did what a third world banana republic does: doubled down on repeating the exact same dubious policies while calling the other party "dangerous extremists" and threatening anyone who questions the election of the glorious leader.

Yep. I think a lot of it had to do with the simple fact that allowed all politicians to get away with immoral, unethical, and unlawful behavior for, like, forever.  When you do something wrong and don't get your dick kicked in for it, you tend to engage in more brazen behavior on future occasions to the point that the entire federal government and many state governments are completely untrustworthy. And let's not forget that the reality of elections in the US is that they are actually a private activity conducted by non-governmental entities in the form of political parties insofar as that they control candidate access.  "You get the privilege of exercising your rights to vote for only *these* candidates, citizen! Forget that the chosen one from the two major parties are both scumbags with one cheating on his wife with his secretary and the other having embezzled from the taxpayers when he was a local town mayor."

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« Reply #28 on: September 20, 2022, 05:42:33 PM »
Y'know, banning a Jew for antisemitism is the motherfucking HEIGHT of irony.

Pundit was given a series of options he could choose from for reasons to ban you. It could have been your use of the n-word with the "joggers" slang, for instance. Or the fact you were constantly posing off-topic. Instead he chose your, "Gentiles, obey" sig. It's really quite difficult to get banned here, and you managed to do the near-impossible in multiple ways in one post. Bravo?

As for the election fraud topic, I don't really care what you think about it. But I do care about what others think about it here. I don't think there was meaningful election fraud but it's a type of allegation which is so important that, even if I think the odds are extremely against it being real, I have to be willing to listen because the ramifications of it being real are pretty dire.

And I do agree with Pundit that we should be reacting by tightening up the security of our elections system. It doesn't matter if you think it's silly - when nearly half the nation doesn't think it's silly, that's reason enough to react by tightening up your security.

I am of the view that we need a national paid holiday for election day (move President's Day to that date for instance). No excuse of "I can't afford to take time off from work" if it's a national paid holiday.

Voting should be done in person unless a note from your doctor says you cannot make it to the polls or your nearest polling station is so far that it would be impractical to demand you go that far to vote.

And then we should issue a free, universal nation-wide high security voter ID to everyone, which can be obtained by the same means as a passport or selective service. Post offices, DMVs, government passport service agencies, etc.. MOST other nations use a national voter ID, and I don't see why we can't do that as well.

And finally the voting machines should all be the same, and involve no computers in taking votes, involve a paper ballot which you get a recipe for, and never touch in the Internet (which if they're low tech and use no computers to take votes shouldn't be hard to achieve). While counting can use a machine, that machine cannot be attached to the Internet and should be available for observers from any party on the ballot. Counting methods for unusual issues should be standardized across the nation, and hand counting should be allowed if the vote count of the machine is close, or if one party is willing to pay for a hand count. to verify the count.

Other nations can and have done elections in this same way, and they have far fewer problems than we do. We should take the security of our elections seriously. Technology is great for many things, but we need to go lower tech for elections due to the risks involved. Even if that means it takes longer to process results.

Not very much you and I agree politically, but in this you nailed it.

In México the counting is made by hand in each voting station in the presence of representatives of ALL the parties that sent one, they publish their count, then send everyhthing to be counted AGAIN elsewhere.

We have a "free" national voting ID, and it really doesn't take THAT long until you know the winner.

I mean it shouldn't be that WE have a better electoral system than you guys.

But the citizenry is used to instant gratification!!  We can't go back to the days of pony express telegrams!!!  Fake outrage aside, it wouldn't kill anyone for there to be a delay in the results of elections until absentee ballots get counted and any challenges to ballot counts are satisfactorily addressed.  We also need to get away from the network newsreaders being allowed to "declare" winners.  In reality, it would do everyone a world of good to slow down *everything* about our lives.
 
But yeah, we'd be better doing elections with something as low-tech as the Iraqis dipping voters' thumbs in ink after voting so that they couldn't go and vote again...

Something else we also do, this along with the voter lists and your voting ID having an expiration date and places to punch when you vote in an election is very low tech.

My voter ID has a life of 10 years, so for the next elections I need to go and get a new one.

Assuming ill intent someone could say he lost his, so what? You can't get it election day, and if you have two you can't vote twice because there's the redundance of the punching AND the thumb dipping in ink.

Hell you can get one even without ANY papers as long as two people can vouche for you and you have a physical address. Which, is the weakest link since a party could organize to give voting IDs to illegals to have them vote in an election. Or at least you could when it was first introduced many years ago.
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Re: Status of 2020 election fraud
« Reply #29 on: September 20, 2022, 07:45:22 PM »

I mean it shouldn't be that WE have a better electoral system than you guys.

With the evidence being the current US president, I'd say that it proves that Mexico does have a better electoral system.
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