Stacey D calls for boycott of Garycon

[S'mon]

Does not make her accusation seem too credible.

Well I expect Bill Webb should probably avoid drinking alcohol at conventions. He should also avoid hiring SJWs.

[Abraxus]

Guilt tripping people and making them feel like shit is also not the way to. Once that kind of tactic is used on me I stop listening and all I hear is the grown-up from Charlie Brown.

As well it's all easy to go "drop your plans and find another con to game at". In the imaginary world where SJWs live in that can be done easily.

It's not easy to juggle work and non-work schedules. If the only con I or my gaming group can go to and it syncs with our work schedules is Garycon that is the one will go to.

SJWs talk like everything and everyone works on their imaginary SJW out of sync with reality schedules. Reality thankfully is much different.

[jhkim]

From what I see, it's not Stacy's accusation. The offense was an incident at PaizoCon 2017 where Bill Webb allegedly followed and harassed BJ Hensley, was confronted by Robert Brookes and injured someone. Hensley at first wanted it dealt with quietly, but Brookes called it out. This was followed up on by staff at the con, and the con organizers condemned Webb's behavior. As far as I can tell, Stacy was not involved in any of this.

(I'm not claiming anything about whether the allegations are true or false - just what the allegations were and who made them.)

In calling for a boycott, Stacy is holding that based on that incident last year, Bill Webb should not have been an invited special guest to GaryCon. Having made him a special guest, the boycott is to not support them because of this.

[S'mon]

Stacey isn't targeting white heterosexual men for being white heterosexual men.

Intersectionality wins everything. EVERYthing. If all the marginalized people of just this country came together, we would be the majority, the biggest voting block ever. But white people gotta get the fuck out of the way, first.

Plenty more at http://www.contessa.rocks/blog/founders-forum-blacklisting-vocal-marginalized-people-to-silence-them

[Darrin Kelley]

While I admire her intent and motivation in this. I do not agree with the actions she is taking.

You want to stop sexual harassment at conventions? Report it to the convention staff. And if they don't do anything about it, call the police. Actually do something substancial about it.

Conventions are not zones that are above the law. Put their organizers feet to the fire by forcing real legal consequences.

You can even file a lawsuit against any convention that fails to uphold safety standards. That's how you make them accountable.

This boycott garbage isn't going to go anywhere. Because it doesn't bring any real consequences to the picture.

[S'mon]

In calling for a boycott, Stacy is holding that based on that incident last year, Bill Webb should not have been an invited special guest to GaryCon.

She also wants Mentzer & Kask banned. I don't know what Kask is alleged to have done. I know Mentzer was slightly suggestive to a hardcore SJW (edit: Jessica Price) who published his PMs.

[kythri]

As if that clique of Internet do-gooders was ever going to attend GaryCon to begin with.

[Abraxus]

It's all fine and well to call for a boycott.

Except the same companies that are woke and in favor of such a boycott do nothing when it's one of their own.

Green Ronin, FGG, Paizo all tend to not care when it's one of their own. Once it is proven then it's circle the wagons how " dare we point out their own hypocrisy" on the subject.

All this will do is give Garycon more attendees rather than impact it negatively imo.

As if that clique of Internet do-gooders was ever going to attend GaryCon to begin with.

Agreed and seconded.

[Slambo]

Stacey isn't targeting white heterosexual men for being white heterosexual men. She's targeting a specific individual whom she is accusing of abuse against one or more women, and then calling out the usual subjects for rushing to shield him, and actually giving him a platform of honour.
That means you - and me, and everyone. She isn't attacking us, she's asking for our help.

This is her blaming them though (i say them as i am not a white heterosexual male) shes saying this is their problem, that they need to solve it and that they need to drop what they're doing for her benefit. Not the benifit of any groups, she simply claims to speak for these groups when she doesnt. She speaks only for herself.

Not to mention theres no information on what he said. It says it could have been considered "a sexual advance or gender dismissive" id rather know what he said than someones interpretation.

[SHARK]

Well I expect Bill Webb should probably avoid drinking alcohol at conventions. He should also avoid hiring SJWs.

Greetings!

Hey S'mon! I agree. If there was an actual *law* broke, then such needs to be proven in court. Charges were not filed, so therefore, no law was broken. As Rat I think mentioned, lots of it seems to be whispered allegations and accusations--whatever. Maybe he was a dick. So what? Maybe he got into an argument or some kind of altercation with X. No law was broken, no charges filed, and it's not really any of my business. If BJ Sheena has a problem with Bill Webb--that's fine, too. However, I don't see why Webb shouldn't be welcomed to go speak at conventions. And Gary Con certainly shouldn't be pressured and harassed like this to ban Webb, and whoever else Miss Cupcake doesn't like. Am I making any sense?

I see lots of whining bullshit in our society, where SJW Sheena wants someone else fired because she doesn't like him, or her girlfriend felt he was creepy, or whatever. That's all personal stuff, between *THEM*. I know this idea sounds weird now, but our society used to believe in a strict *private* sphere, and then there was a separate *public* sphere. It seems we have lost much of that, and the SJW's like to throw all their personal drama and hatreds out into public view, everything becomes public, everything has to be a crusade, with boycotts and teams drawn up in public. Nothing can be handled as an individual any more, if I'm making any sense. Do you see what I'm getting at with this, S'mon? I know what I've got in my head, but it's not quite coming out the way I want to express myself. Sometimes, god, you ever get that way? It's frustrating. I've got the ideas in my mind, but I can't seem to articulate them properly. AARRGGHH.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

[Ratman_tf]

While I admire her intent and motivation in this. I do not agree with the actions she is taking.

You want to stop sexual harassment at conventions? Report it to the convention staff. And if they don't do anything about it, call the police. Actually do something substancial about it.

Conventions are not zones that are above the law. Put their organizers feet to the fire by forcing real legal consequences.

You can even file a lawsuit against any convention that fails to uphold safety standards. That's how you make them accountable.

This boycott garbage isn't going to go anywhere. Because it doesn't bring any real consequences to the picture.

You're assuming that dealing with harassment is the goal. We've seen this song and dance many times. It's about ideological purity. If you don't stand with Stacey, you're a harasser or an enabler.

[AmazingOnionMan]

she's asking for our help]

Apart from "please retweet", there isn't any asking anyone anything in her screed. There is only a lot of telling.

[S'mon]

I agree with you SHARK.

Re Bill Webb, my guess or suspicion is that he probably did behave somewhat inappropriately, but that there have been attempts to exaggerate it (I heard stuff like "he broke a guy's arm!" from the whisperers), and I doubt he did anything that could result in a criminal conviction or that should result in him being banished from society forever.

If he was being a jerk* at my D&D Meetup I'd throw him out and ban him, but I wouldn't go round telling every other Meetup to ban him too, or try to shut down his company.

*Drunkenly hitting on a girl who was clearly uncomfortable with it, which seems to be the allegation - also that he followed her across the convention.

If the allegations have substance I do think it would be a good idea for someone to chaperone him and stop him getting drunk.

[jhkim]

She also wants Mentzer & Kask banned. I don't know what Kask is alleged to have done. I know Mentzer was slightly suggestive to a hardcore SJW who published his PMs.

Sorry, I missed that. The statement is "Tim Kask and Frank Mentzer have been in trouble with treating women poorly, too, and they're also both on the list."  I'm not clear if that means she thinks they should be blocked from being special guests as well.

I don't know anything about Tim Kask. I do recall reading about exchanges between Frank Mentzer and Jessica Price. From my reading, Price's core complaint is that after blocking him on Facebook, he allegedly posted that she had flipped out and how he was going to make sure she never worked in the industry again. That's pretty different from just saying something suggestive.

https://twitter.com/delafina777/status/920489843821486080?lang=en

This sounds a lot like the PM Mentzer is accused of that got him banned from the Dragonsfoot forums,

http://www.tenkarstavern.com/2017/09/the-pm-that-got-frank-mentzer-banned.html

[S'mon]

Sorry, I missed that. The statement is "Tim Kask and Frank Mentzer have been in trouble with treating women poorly, too, and they're also both on the list."  I'm not clear if that means she thinks they should be blocked from being special guests as well.

I don't know anything about Tim Kask. I do recall reading about exchanges between Frank Mentzer and Jessica Price. From my reading, Price's core complaint is that after blocking him on Facebook, he allegedly posted that she had flipped out and how he was going to make sure she never worked in the industry again. That's pretty different from just saying something suggestive.

https://twitter.com/delafina777/status/920489843821486080?lang=en

This sounds a lot like the PM Mentzer is accused of that got him banned from the Dragonsfoot forums,

http://www.tenkarstavern.com/2017/09/the-pm-that-got-frank-mentzer-banned.html

SD doesn't care about Mentzer threatening EOTB, who is probably a Cis White Male.
Yes Mentzer was also a jerk about sexual harrassment in a Facebook discussion. Along with separately implying he thought Price was cute.