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Author Topic: GOP Mad About Election Because Their Voter Suppression Efforts Were Blocked  (Read 2827 times)

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Re: GOP Mad About Election Because Their Voter Suppression Efforts Were Blocked
« Reply #15 on: November 22, 2020, 01:22:37 am »
Russian collusion for the 2016 election was totally believeable without evidence, but cheating at the 2020 election where a Democrat 'won' requires proof.
I didn't accept that without proof either. I didn't get it then, and I don't expect I'll get it now. I think both of them were very likely bullshit (but I'm open to seeing real evidence for either).

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Re: GOP Mad About Election Because Their Voter Suppression Efforts Were Blocked
« Reply #16 on: November 22, 2020, 05:32:16 am »
Russian collusion for the 2016 election was totally believeable without evidence, but cheating at the 2020 election where a Democrat 'won' requires proof.
I didn't accept that without proof either. I didn't get it then, and I don't expect I'll get it now. I think both of them were very likely bullshit (but I'm open to seeing real evidence for either).

You're a rare bird, then. We've had to listen to four years of major Democrats like Hilary Clinton and the news and political commentators like Bill Maher bang on about how Trump's russian collusion was "obvious". I have no sympathy for the tables being turned now.
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Re: GOP Mad About Election Because Their Voter Suppression Efforts Were Blocked
« Reply #18 on: November 22, 2020, 09:11:55 am »
From the number of affidavits filed, it's looking like there may actually be substantial proof coming... we'll see what the next few days hold...

https://www.theepochtimes.com/there-was-in-fact-fraud-that-took-place-fec-chairman-trey-trainor_3588656.html?fbclid=IwAR0vrJ-Sln9OPpsET6d2B1Mtj95O-y1DuOasJxPy9xBOsB6HtE2-OfNMCck
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Re: GOP Mad About Election Because Their Voter Suppression Efforts Were Blocked
« Reply #19 on: November 22, 2020, 11:02:51 am »
From the number of affidavits filed, it's looking like there may actually be substantial proof coming... we'll see what the next few days hold...

https://www.theepochtimes.com/there-was-in-fact-fraud-that-took-place-fec-chairman-trey-trainor_3588656.html?fbclid=IwAR0vrJ-Sln9OPpsET6d2B1Mtj95O-y1DuOasJxPy9xBOsB6HtE2-OfNMCck
Got a link to the same story from a site that doesn't require me to provide them with my info (I can't read it because I'm not providing it to them)? Even better, can you get the story from a source that doesn't do so abysmally poor on bias/fact checking?

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Re: GOP Mad About Election Because Their Voter Suppression Efforts Were Blocked
« Reply #20 on: November 22, 2020, 11:19:46 am »
From the number of affidavits filed, it's looking like there may actually be substantial proof coming... we'll see what the next few days hold...

https://www.theepochtimes.com/there-was-in-fact-fraud-that-took-place-fec-chairman-trey-trainor_3588656.html?fbclid=IwAR0vrJ-Sln9OPpsET6d2B1Mtj95O-y1DuOasJxPy9xBOsB6HtE2-OfNMCck

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Re: GOP Mad About Election Because Their Voter Suppression Efforts Were Blocked
« Reply #21 on: November 22, 2020, 11:55:36 am »
From the number of affidavits filed, it's looking like there may actually be substantial proof coming... we'll see what the next few days hold...

https://www.theepochtimes.com/there-was-in-fact-fraud-that-took-place-fec-chairman-trey-trainor_3588656.html?fbclid=IwAR0vrJ-Sln9OPpsET6d2B1Mtj95O-y1DuOasJxPy9xBOsB6HtE2-OfNMCck

Greetings!

The Epoch Times is a great newspaper, Shuddemell! I love them.

They are not cock-sucking Liberals that love to get on their knees and suck down Marxist jello.

Semper Fidelis,

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Re: GOP Mad About Election Because Their Voter Suppression Efforts Were Blocked
« Reply #22 on: November 22, 2020, 12:50:24 pm »
Another drive-by shitpost from Nobody. Odds on whether he/she/ze actually comes back to post in their own thread?
Nope, just a dump and run

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Re: GOP Mad About Election Because Their Voter Suppression Efforts Were Blocked
« Reply #23 on: November 22, 2020, 01:18:12 pm »
From the number of affidavits filed, it's looking like there may actually be substantial proof coming... we'll see what the next few days hold...

https://www.theepochtimes.com/there-was-in-fact-fraud-that-took-place-fec-chairman-trey-trainor_3588656.html?fbclid=IwAR0vrJ-Sln9OPpsET6d2B1Mtj95O-y1DuOasJxPy9xBOsB6HtE2-OfNMCck
Got a link to the same story from a site that doesn't require me to provide them with my info (I can't read it because I'm not providing it to them)? Even better, can you get the story from a source that doesn't do so abysmally poor on bias/fact checking?

Sure, here you go...

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/11/jake-tapper-stunned-after-chair-of-federal-election-commission-vouches-for-trumps-conspiracy-theorist-lawyer/

https://www.oann.com/fec-chairman-debunks-msm-claims-of-no-fraud-says-counting-illegal-votes-can-make-election-illegitimate/

https://neonnettle.com/news/13219-fec-chair-drops-the-hammer-the-results-are-illegitimate-

https://jamesfetzer.org/2020/11/fec-chairman-trump-campaign-bringing-legitimate-accusations-of-election-fraud-to-court/

https://trulytimes.com/there-was-in-fact-fraud-that-took-place-fec-chairman-trey-trainor.html


You won't like any of these sources either, they don't play to your biases. There is a reason that MSM is avoiding this story, it doesn't further their narrative (however the first link does show that MSM was exposed to it... and yet they still don't cover it). Doesn't mean these are false, just means that MSM is dishonest. How many quotes from the same person do you need? You are extremely prone to the genetic fallacy... you might realize at some point just how dishonest a tactic that is, but then again maybe not.
« Last Edit: November 22, 2020, 01:21:11 pm by shuddemell »
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Re: GOP Mad About Election Because Their Voter Suppression Efforts Were Blocked
« Reply #24 on: November 22, 2020, 02:05:15 pm »
I'd tell you all to stop feeding the obvious troll, but in order to do that I have to post in his thread and thus feed the damn troll...  this is what it means to be caught on the horns of a dilemma.

Besides, its goes against my ethics to tell people not to do things they enjoy, concensually and all that, even if I disapprove.  So I'll just sit here and scold you, and in a little while I'll tell you all to get off my damn lawn. Tut Tut.
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Re: GOP Mad About Election Because Their Voter Suppression Efforts Were Blocked
« Reply #25 on: November 22, 2020, 02:39:26 pm »
From the number of affidavits filed, it's looking like there may actually be substantial proof coming... we'll see what the next few days hold...

https://www.theepochtimes.com/there-was-in-fact-fraud-that-took-place-fec-chairman-trey-trainor_3588656.html?fbclid=IwAR0vrJ-Sln9OPpsET6d2B1Mtj95O-y1DuOasJxPy9xBOsB6HtE2-OfNMCck
Got a link to the same story from a site that doesn't require me to provide them with my info (I can't read it because I'm not providing it to them)? Even better, can you get the story from a source that doesn't do so abysmally poor on bias/fact checking?

Sure, here you go...

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/11/jake-tapper-stunned-after-chair-of-federal-election-commission-vouches-for-trumps-conspiracy-theorist-lawyer/

https://www.oann.com/fec-chairman-debunks-msm-claims-of-no-fraud-says-counting-illegal-votes-can-make-election-illegitimate/

https://neonnettle.com/news/13219-fec-chair-drops-the-hammer-the-results-are-illegitimate-

https://jamesfetzer.org/2020/11/fec-chairman-trump-campaign-bringing-legitimate-accusations-of-election-fraud-to-court/

https://trulytimes.com/there-was-in-fact-fraud-that-took-place-fec-chairman-trey-trainor.html


You won't like any of these sources either, they don't play to your biases. There is a reason that MSM is avoiding this story, it doesn't further their narrative (however the first link does show that MSM was exposed to it... and yet they still don't cover it). Doesn't mean these are false, just means that MSM is dishonest. How many quotes from the same person do you need? You are extremely prone to the genetic fallacy... you might realize at some point just how dishonest a tactic that is, but then again maybe not.
I can at least read over these to look for verification from other sources. If you don't want your sources dismissed as crap, perhaps consider dropping the Neon Nettle, at the least.

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Re: GOP Mad About Election Because Their Voter Suppression Efforts Were Blocked
« Reply #26 on: November 22, 2020, 02:48:32 pm »
Honestly, I don't care whether you accept them or not. I am just pointing out that it is highly disingenuous and an obvious fallacy to dismiss a fact due to the source. If you can find a source proving that Trey did not say that, then it's one thing. You however didn't (and likely cannot) because it is is easier just to cast aspersions than spend time honestly trying to determine whether or not it's accurate. I also sincerely doubt you can provide a source that cannot be picked apart (particularly in regards to bias). MSM has long proven themselves to be shameless and inveterate liars, so I am looking forward to you providing proof disproving the original article I posted. (as to neonnettle, I wouldn't normally use it anyway, don't read it. However, it is one among many... or is your "theory" that they have all colluded to lie about what the FEC Chair said?)
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Re: GOP Mad About Election Because Their Voter Suppression Efforts Were Blocked
« Reply #27 on: November 22, 2020, 02:49:03 pm »
Russian collusion for the 2016 election was totally believeable without evidence, but cheating at the 2020 election where a Democrat 'won' requires proof.

To be fair to Happydaze, at least the Democrats had the decency to pay a foreign operative to create a fake dossier that they could then point to when asked for "proof"
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Re: GOP Mad About Election Because Their Voter Suppression Efforts Were Blocked
« Reply #28 on: November 22, 2020, 03:10:45 pm »
Honestly, I don't care whether you accept them or not. I am just pointing out that it is highly disingenuous and an obvious fallacy to dismiss a fact due to the source. If you can find a source proving that Trey did not say that, then it's one thing. You however didn't (and likely cannot) because it is is easier just to cast aspersions than spend time honestly trying to determine whether or not it's accurate. I also sincerely doubt you can provide a source that cannot be picked apart (particularly in regards to bias). MSM has long proven themselves to be shameless and inveterate liars, so I am looking forward to you providing proof disproving the original article I posted. (as to neonnettle, I wouldn't normally use it anyway, don't read it. However, it is one among many... or is your "theory" that they have all colluded to lie about what the FEC Chair said?)
We can start with https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/11/19/fact-check-fec-commissioner-has-no-role-election-integrity/6332242002/ which, while center-left leaning in bias, does get high marks for accurate reporting.

It summarizes it as:

"The quotes from FEC Chair Trey Trainor are real and came from an interview with Newsmax. But he's not the "top boss of all the election officials," and the FEC's jurisdiction isn't related to vote counting or election security — only campaign finances. Trainor himself admitted he wasn't briefed on the issue, and all of his comments contained factual inaccuracies, echoing false allegations of election fraud that have been presented with no proof. Based on our research these claims are PARTLY FALSE, true only in that Trainor expressed his opinion about the election."

So the overall context matters a lot here. At best, Trainor's input is Obi-Wan style truth "from a certain point of view" rather than anything approaching objectivity. At worst, it's just more horseshit.
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Re: GOP Mad About Election Because Their Voter Suppression Efforts Were Blocked
« Reply #29 on: November 22, 2020, 03:17:25 pm »
You're debunking things I never claimed, nor did the article. This is another highly disingenuous tactic used by MSM. "He did say it, but it doesn't mean what you think it means, and it certainly doesn't mean anything we don't want it to mean." Yes, context is important, but it isn't partly false at all, as a matter of fact the way the "fact check" is worded is an obvious attempt to muddy the water and change the context. If you actually read the article, you'd know they made no claims about him controlling or being top boss. I trust MSM fact checks about as much as you trust neon nettle. It's not partly false... what's partly false is USA Today implying that anyone made these claims.
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