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  Diversity is a weakness since it simply = no white straight males.  As the word is defined it is a fine thing.  As it is practiced by policy makers, it is as toxic as arsenic.
jhkim you keep acting as if the choice is full freedom or secret police.  That is a retard argument.  There is a massive difference in allowing communist and marxist doctrine to be funded and pushed (at taxpayer expense) versus everyone ratting on neighbors about looking at the wrong book.   You are far left.  Or at least you would have been 15 years ago.  Now you are just left.  When suddenly you find yourself on the right, and do not understand how you got there, enjoy how those commies you felt should be able to grow like cancer feel about that.

  As for heading for revolution, yes the USA is headed that way.  So you feel it is just fine and well to let all the anti government types meet up and discuss their grievances without having every 5th person in the room be employed by any number of federal agencies spying on them?

Greetings!

Excellent, OGG! Jhkim enjoys making Straw Man arguments, and especially reframing whatever argument you are making, or just some points that you are expressing, into some kind of stark contrast between happy, rainbow hippo freedom, and dark, fascist hell.

Indeed, America or any other democratic nation that values its heritage, its liberty, and its culture can precisely support and maintain such, without becoming a totalitarian hellhole. Part of protecting what you have and building  future is simply understanding who and what are serious threats to that, and who and what are not. Communism, Marxism, and all of that bullshit doesn't need to be white-washed, coddled, soft-peddled, and fucking *promoted* throughout our schools and colleges. Marxism can be actively iscouraged, and rightfully vilified on a regular basis throughout society--and groups, associations, companies, media, and so on that actively stand against Marxism can be funded and otherwise rewarded and encouraged--and such companies, media, etc that want to coddle Marxists and suck Marxist cock can also be defunded, condemned, and otherwise held in absolute criticism and contempt. In addition to being surveilled by the government, thoroughly infiltrated, and as soon as they so much as fart too loudly, well, then the hammer can be brought down on them. Muh like, gee, how virtually everyone in society--government or not--has treated KKK people and neo-Nazis! Imagine that? Imagine America going after Marxists and Communists with the same kind of vigour and energy that Neo-Nazis and KKK members, organizations, and proponents are gone after?

Yeah, just like that. Do that hard, ruthlessly, and consistently, without letup or getting nice and complacent, and our Republic wouldn't be pumped full of fucking Marxists and threatened by all these Marxist nutjobs and terrible Marxist ideologies and groups--like ANTIFA, BLM, 1619 Project, CRT, SJWism, and on and on.

Imagine if, somewhere here, there was a college professor that mentioned on twitter--or actually taught such in class that Nazism was not as evil as the West has described, has many good points and virtues, and hasn't been "tried right". How long would such a Nazi-sympathizer professor last?

But exactly. We have Marxist shill professors and teachers all over schools in America, and not only do they remain employed as such, but they are respected and applauded.

That has been working so well for America. Yes, lets keep swallowing the Marxist jello! So yummy!

Good stuff, Ogg.

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Diversity is only valuable as long as the group is working to a common goal ...
Disagree. A counter example is abstract knowledge. A lot of value has come out of intellectual pursuits that didn't seem to serve any goal at the time, but which turned out to be useful in the future. Humans catalog, collate, and create a body of knowledge that can be referenced to solve future problems. The lack of a goal sometimes is the goal.

Agree that diversity isn't an absolute strength or weakness, though. It's a tool.

Well no goal is different than what we are actually seeing however. What we are seeing is a diametrically opposed goal, in that instance diversity becomes the tool by which it is enacted. Why, otherwise, are we beginning to see calls for segregation from the left? Diversity is used as a tool of discrimination, and that is definitely becoming a liability for this country and the west in general. Also, it should be noted that just because something useful was found for the information later (which is part of the goal of science) doesn't mean it wasn't a liability to the cause for which it is supposedly a strength. One is incidental to the other and not really to the point of my statement.
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Diversity is only valuable as long as the group is working to a common goal ...
Disagree. A counter example is abstract knowledge. A lot of value has come out of intellectual pursuits that didn't seem to serve any goal at the time, but which turned out to be useful in the future. Humans catalog, collate, and create a body of knowledge that can be referenced to solve future problems. The lack of a goal sometimes is the goal.

Agree that diversity isn't an absolute strength or weakness, though. It's a tool.

Well no goal is different than what we are actually seeing however. What we are seeing is a diametrically opposed goal, in that instance diversity becomes the tool by which it is enacted. Why, otherwise, are we beginning to see calls for segregation from the left? Diversity is used as a tool of discrimination, and that is definitely becoming a liability for this country and the west in general. Also, it should be noted that just because something useful was found for the information later (which is part of the goal of science) doesn't mean it wasn't a liability to the cause for which it is supposedly a strength. One is incidental to the other and not really to the point of my statement.
Don't confuse the correct definition of diversity with the racist one.

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Ever notice the lack of intellectual diversity in wokeists? Oh sure, they're all different colors, but they might as well be clones when they open their mouths and speak.

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Ever notice the lack of intellectual diversity in wokeists? Oh sure, they're all different colors, but they might as well be clones when they open their mouths and speak.

Absolutely. Very often you will also find that they know absolutely nothing about the subject of their screeching. Take Islam for instance, or Native Americans, I have had heated discussions with SJWs about these, only to find that they knew absolutely nothing about them, and sometimes they had been actively misinformed. (Actual examples: "Native Americans learned scalping from whites" "Aztecs were intellectually far superior to Europeans" "Islam is not oppressive to women") 

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Yeah, whiny bitch cock-sucking traitor. KILL THEM ALL. Every fucking Communist hunted down and killed like the fucking evil rats that they are. Communists are not just like preferring a different flavour of ice cream than you or I might prefer--no, they are evil fucking tyrants that want to kill you and enslave you to their godless and terrible fucking ideology.

Fuck the Communists. You damn right they need to be killed. Every fucking one of them needs to bathe in Napalm, baby! ALL OF THEM!

Marxism can be actively iscouraged, and rightfully vilified on a regular basis throughout society--and groups, associations, companies, media, and so on that actively stand against Marxism can be funded and otherwise rewarded and encouraged--and such companies, media, etc that want to coddle Marxists and suck Marxist cock can also be defunded, condemned, and otherwise held in absolute criticism and contempt. In addition to being surveilled by the government, thoroughly infiltrated, and as soon as they so much as fart too loudly, well, then the hammer can be brought down on them. Muh like, gee, how virtually everyone in society--government or not--has treated KKK people and neo-Nazis! Imagine that? Imagine America going after Marxists and Communists with the same kind of vigour and energy that Neo-Nazis and KKK members, organizations, and proponents are gone after?

Cool! I'm glad to see this. Maybe you don't see a difference between these two positions, but I do. Holding people in criticism and contempt is completely different from killing them.

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Yeah, whiny bitch cock-sucking traitor. KILL THEM ALL. Every fucking Communist hunted down and killed like the fucking evil rats that they are. Communists are not just like preferring a different flavour of ice cream than you or I might prefer--no, they are evil fucking tyrants that want to kill you and enslave you to their godless and terrible fucking ideology.

Fuck the Communists. You damn right they need to be killed. Every fucking one of them needs to bathe in Napalm, baby! ALL OF THEM!

Marxism can be actively iscouraged, and rightfully vilified on a regular basis throughout society--and groups, associations, companies, media, and so on that actively stand against Marxism can be funded and otherwise rewarded and encouraged--and such companies, media, etc that want to coddle Marxists and suck Marxist cock can also be defunded, condemned, and otherwise held in absolute criticism and contempt. In addition to being surveilled by the government, thoroughly infiltrated, and as soon as they so much as fart too loudly, well, then the hammer can be brought down on them. Muh like, gee, how virtually everyone in society--government or not--has treated KKK people and neo-Nazis! Imagine that? Imagine America going after Marxists and Communists with the same kind of vigour and energy that Neo-Nazis and KKK members, organizations, and proponents are gone after?

Cool! I'm glad to see this. Maybe you don't see a difference between these two positions, but I do. Holding people in criticism and contempt is completely different from killing them.
Now you only have to convince all the retards on the left that 'your speech is violence' is a fallacious and stupid argument.

Good luck.

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Now you only have to convince all the retards on the left that 'your speech is violence' is a fallacious and stupid argument.

Good luck.

Thanks. I obviously won't be able to convince all of them, but I'll try on those I can.

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Diversity is only valuable as long as the group is working to a common goal ...
Disagree. A counter example is abstract knowledge. A lot of value has come out of intellectual pursuits that didn't seem to serve any goal at the time, but which turned out to be useful in the future. Humans catalog, collate, and create a body of knowledge that can be referenced to solve future problems. The lack of a goal sometimes is the goal.

Agree that diversity isn't an absolute strength or weakness, though. It's a tool.

Well no goal is different than what we are actually seeing however. What we are seeing is a diametrically opposed goal, in that instance diversity becomes the tool by which it is enacted. Why, otherwise, are we beginning to see calls for segregation from the left? Diversity is used as a tool of discrimination, and that is definitely becoming a liability for this country and the west in general. Also, it should be noted that just because something useful was found for the information later (which is part of the goal of science) doesn't mean it wasn't a liability to the cause for which it is supposedly a strength. One is incidental to the other and not really to the point of my statement.
Don't confuse the correct definition of diversity with the racist one.

That's a valid point, however common usage unfortunately (these days) favors the racist one, and that is what I am referring to, common usage.
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Yeah, whiny bitch cock-sucking traitor. KILL THEM ALL. Every fucking Communist hunted down and killed like the fucking evil rats that they are. Communists are not just like preferring a different flavour of ice cream than you or I might prefer--no, they are evil fucking tyrants that want to kill you and enslave you to their godless and terrible fucking ideology.

Fuck the Communists. You damn right they need to be killed. Every fucking one of them needs to bathe in Napalm, baby! ALL OF THEM!

Marxism can be actively iscouraged, and rightfully vilified on a regular basis throughout society--and groups, associations, companies, media, and so on that actively stand against Marxism can be funded and otherwise rewarded and encouraged--and such companies, media, etc that want to coddle Marxists and suck Marxist cock can also be defunded, condemned, and otherwise held in absolute criticism and contempt. In addition to being surveilled by the government, thoroughly infiltrated, and as soon as they so much as fart too loudly, well, then the hammer can be brought down on them. Muh like, gee, how virtually everyone in society--government or not--has treated KKK people and neo-Nazis! Imagine that? Imagine America going after Marxists and Communists with the same kind of vigour and energy that Neo-Nazis and KKK members, organizations, and proponents are gone after?

Cool! I'm glad to see this. Maybe you don't see a difference between these two positions, but I do. Holding people in criticism and contempt is completely different from killing them.

Greetings!

I applaud that which gets the job done. Whatever means necessary, whatever tools, whatever methods deemed necessary to protect America, and safeguard our culture, our heritage, and our way of life--from the fucking Marxists, and any other enemies.

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Diversity is only valuable as long as the group is working to a common goal ...
Disagree. A counter example is abstract knowledge. A lot of value has come out of intellectual pursuits that didn't seem to serve any goal at the time, but which turned out to be useful in the future. Humans catalog, collate, and create a body of knowledge that can be referenced to solve future problems. The lack of a goal sometimes is the goal.

Agree that diversity isn't an absolute strength or weakness, though. It's a tool.

Well no goal is different than what we are actually seeing however. What we are seeing is a diametrically opposed goal, in that instance diversity becomes the tool by which it is enacted. Why, otherwise, are we beginning to see calls for segregation from the left? Diversity is used as a tool of discrimination, and that is definitely becoming a liability for this country and the west in general. Also, it should be noted that just because something useful was found for the information later (which is part of the goal of science) doesn't mean it wasn't a liability to the cause for which it is supposedly a strength. One is incidental to the other and not really to the point of my statement.
Don't confuse the correct definition of diversity with the racist one.

That's a valid point, however common usage unfortunately (these days) favors the racist one, and that is what I am referring to, common usage.
They're attempting to promote racism by subverting language. By using their definitions, you've already half-conceded.

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Diversity is only valuable as long as the group is working to a common goal ...
Disagree. A counter example is abstract knowledge. A lot of value has come out of intellectual pursuits that didn't seem to serve any goal at the time, but which turned out to be useful in the future. Humans catalog, collate, and create a body of knowledge that can be referenced to solve future problems. The lack of a goal sometimes is the goal.

Agree that diversity isn't an absolute strength or weakness, though. It's a tool.

Well no goal is different than what we are actually seeing however. What we are seeing is a diametrically opposed goal, in that instance diversity becomes the tool by which it is enacted. Why, otherwise, are we beginning to see calls for segregation from the left? Diversity is used as a tool of discrimination, and that is definitely becoming a liability for this country and the west in general. Also, it should be noted that just because something useful was found for the information later (which is part of the goal of science) doesn't mean it wasn't a liability to the cause for which it is supposedly a strength. One is incidental to the other and not really to the point of my statement.
Don't confuse the correct definition of diversity with the racist one.

That's a valid point, however common usage unfortunately (these days) favors the racist one, and that is what I am referring to, common usage.
They're attempting to promote racism by subverting language. By using their definitions, you've already half-conceded.

Not hardly. I oppose it. However, you cannot ignore the reality that is exactly what people usually mean if they use the word diversity. I refuse to use it, except in discussions of how patently absurd it is. There are plenty of other words that can be used, but when someone speaks of "diversity" they are almost always speaking in the "racist" sense, and I respond accordingly. They are not attempting anything, they've already succeeded as far as most of society is concerned.
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Diversity is only valuable as long as the group is working to a common goal ...
Disagree. A counter example is abstract knowledge. A lot of value has come out of intellectual pursuits that didn't seem to serve any goal at the time, but which turned out to be useful in the future. Humans catalog, collate, and create a body of knowledge that can be referenced to solve future problems. The lack of a goal sometimes is the goal.

Agree that diversity isn't an absolute strength or weakness, though. It's a tool.

Well no goal is different than what we are actually seeing however. What we are seeing is a diametrically opposed goal, in that instance diversity becomes the tool by which it is enacted. Why, otherwise, are we beginning to see calls for segregation from the left? Diversity is used as a tool of discrimination, and that is definitely becoming a liability for this country and the west in general. Also, it should be noted that just because something useful was found for the information later (which is part of the goal of science) doesn't mean it wasn't a liability to the cause for which it is supposedly a strength. One is incidental to the other and not really to the point of my statement.
Don't confuse the correct definition of diversity with the racist one.

That's a valid point, however common usage unfortunately (these days) favors the racist one, and that is what I am referring to, common usage.
They're attempting to promote racism by subverting language. By using their definitions, you've already half-conceded.

Not hardly. I oppose it. However, you cannot ignore the reality that is exactly what people usually mean if they use the word diversity. I refuse to use it, except in discussions of how patently absurd it is. There are plenty of other words that can be used, but when someone speaks of "diversity" they are almost always speaking in the "racist" sense, and I respond accordingly. They are not attempting anything, they've already succeeded as far as most of society is concerned.
We were talking about football, and how diversity in each team's play can lead to the development of new tactics. Then I brought up abstract knowledge, and how it's generated by diversity. In both cases, we were clearly talking about diversity of thought or organization, because there's no reasonable way to shoehorn a definition based on skin color tokenism into what was being described. Then you suddenly switched definitions, and I rejected it. I have zero interest in that discussion.

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Diversity is only valuable as long as the group is working to a common goal ...
Disagree. A counter example is abstract knowledge. A lot of value has come out of intellectual pursuits that didn't seem to serve any goal at the time, but which turned out to be useful in the future. Humans catalog, collate, and create a body of knowledge that can be referenced to solve future problems. The lack of a goal sometimes is the goal.

Agree that diversity isn't an absolute strength or weakness, though. It's a tool.

Well no goal is different than what we are actually seeing however. What we are seeing is a diametrically opposed goal, in that instance diversity becomes the tool by which it is enacted. Why, otherwise, are we beginning to see calls for segregation from the left? Diversity is used as a tool of discrimination, and that is definitely becoming a liability for this country and the west in general. Also, it should be noted that just because something useful was found for the information later (which is part of the goal of science) doesn't mean it wasn't a liability to the cause for which it is supposedly a strength. One is incidental to the other and not really to the point of my statement.
Don't confuse the correct definition of diversity with the racist one.

That's a valid point, however common usage unfortunately (these days) favors the racist one, and that is what I am referring to, common usage.
They're attempting to promote racism by subverting language. By using their definitions, you've already half-conceded.

Not hardly. I oppose it. However, you cannot ignore the reality that is exactly what people usually mean if they use the word diversity. I refuse to use it, except in discussions of how patently absurd it is. There are plenty of other words that can be used, but when someone speaks of "diversity" they are almost always speaking in the "racist" sense, and I respond accordingly. They are not attempting anything, they've already succeeded as far as most of society is concerned.
We were talking about football, and how diversity in each team's play can lead to the development of new tactics. Then I brought up abstract knowledge, and how it's generated by diversity. In both cases, we were clearly talking about diversity of thought or organization, because there's no reasonable way to shoehorn a definition based on skin color tokenism into what was being described. Then you suddenly switched definitions, and I rejected it. I have zero interest in that discussion.

I didn't switch anything. YOU were talking about football as an abstract example where diversity CAN develop new tactics. I replied because that is only true if they are working toward the common goal of winning the game. Which you then claimed that unity of purpose is not necessary. I still believe in the role of human endeavors, it largely is necessary for diversity to add to it, and gave an example where the idea that diversity doesn't always do this, and that underlying the idea of a football game is UNITY of purpose. The discussion then expanded to the idea of development of ideas ab initio, which once again is different from the idea of diversity always being a positive.  Your implication is that I was goal shifting, and yet that isn't the case, you just see it differently which is fine. If you don't want to discuss it, then you can stop responding anytime. My point is simply that your notion of the "correct" definition and what you call the "racist" definition are intrisically linked and inseparable as far as most are concerned, whether you accept it or not. We could have just said "variety" and there would be no political loading, but you cannot avoid the political loading of "diversity" just because you don't accept the definition being used by most...
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You switched to the new definition, not I.

And I certainly can avoid it. Not always, because people try to shift the discussion all the time. But when that happens, I reject it, and push back against it, like I'm doing here. This is a debate of ideas, but one group is trying to avoid having to defend their positions in the free market of ideas. They're doing it changing the rules instead of fairly competing on merits. The rules they're changing are the definitions of common, well-established words. This kind of falseness and deception must be called out whenever it rears its head, because tacitly accepting the redefinitions means the debate is lost before the first argument is even made.