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Author Topic: Social Justice is a smokescreen for Critical Theory  (Read 1825 times)

Shrieking Banshee

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Social Justice is a smokescreen for Critical Theory
« on: October 01, 2021, 08:36:07 PM »
You ever notice that Social Justice as an ideology possesses basic logical incongruities? Why Hollywood needs more Indians but Bollywood doesn't need Chinese people? Stuff like that?
All philosophopies have some logical incongruities, but social justice lacks even the basics of any sort of consistency.
If the people that really believed in it followed its logic, they would be acting a whole lot differently and promoting different things. Like they say they value black people until a black person disagrees and they are just unpersoned as a black person at all?

Thats because its all just cover for the generally more insidous philosophy of critical theory. Its TLDR is:

All of life and history is a horror show. It couldn't have come about as part of just the human condition, or even the nature of the universe. It must have been engineered by the evil people in charge. The system is so intrinsictly corrupt that every aspect of life has been engineered to serve this corrupt version of reality. To participate in any part of the system is to further it.
So destroy the system and everybody that benefits from it until all of reality is perfect.
Its the rapture for staunch materialists effectively.

So whenever a goal of Social Justice doesn't seem to make sense in the persuit of diversity & representation or even somesort of justice, you can generally find a logic to it within the persuit of the destruction of the corrupt ruling society. The reason it rarely creates, mostly destroys, and doesn't see as needing to make any solutions is because it follows a hegalian model that believes that reality is fair and logical at the core. They don't see it as necacary to create a replacement system as they see the natural order (as they imagine it) of things as perfect. So all of perfection will reasert itself once the corruption is gotten rid of.

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Re: Social Justice is a smokescreen for Critical Theory
« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2021, 09:11:20 AM »
There is an underlying dislike (or even hatred) of the western world in modern social justice. It often goes together with an overly rosy view of other cultures.

 I often like to put up all sorts of nonsensical jokes on Facebook. I have noticed that my Facebook SJW friends and family will put a “laugh” as response if I write a post making fun of America or Britain, but not India, Mexico, or China. Also related to this, the “noble savage” runs very deep on the far left. “Tribal” societies are just the bees knees😀. Even worse; the worst SJW I know tends to go all starry eyed whenever someone’s skin color is non-white. Seriously, she keeps talking about my wife and her friends’ “wonderful ethnicity”. But you can tell she knows nothing about them except what they look like. I guess they just look “ethnic” enough to her. Post a picture of some African woman with a child wrapped colorful cloth and she’ll immediately start raining praise on you. In many cases it really is that brain dead.
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Re: Social Justice is a smokescreen for Critical Theory
« Reply #2 on: October 03, 2021, 07:38:33 PM »
Greetings!

More fake racism--perpetrated by a black woman. Gee, there have been so many incidents of phony Goddamned racism and "Hate Crimes"--all perpetrated by liberal, cock-sucking Marxists.

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Re: Social Justice is a smokescreen for Critical Theory
« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2021, 07:40:48 PM »
Greetings!

While a neat story, I would like more discussion about the actual subject. I feel so much debate around SJWs kinda orbits this instead of addressing its core.

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Re: Social Justice is a smokescreen for Critical Theory
« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2021, 08:03:51 PM »
Greetings!

More fake racism--perpetrated by a black woman. Gee, there have been so many incidents of phony Goddamned racism and "Hate Crimes"--all perpetrated by liberal, cock-sucking Marxists.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

https://www.foxnews.com/us/black-woman-charged-posing-white-ku-klux-klan-member-terroristic-threats
And don't forget the right-wing asshole that fired off his AK while shouting it was for Floyd to point blame at BLM. But I'm sure he was really false-flagging the false flag, right?

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Re: Social Justice is a smokescreen for Critical Theory
« Reply #5 on: October 04, 2021, 12:15:41 AM »
Greetings!

While a neat story, I would like more discussion about the actual subject. I feel so much debate around SJWs kinda orbits this instead of addressing its core.

Greetings!

My apologies, my friend. I just saw some connections between the peddling of "Critical Race Theory" being supported by so many *false episodes* of supposed current-day racism and "Hate Speech".

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SHARK
"It is the Marine Corps that will strip away the façade so easily confused with self. It is the Corps that will offer the pain needed to buy the truth. And at last, each will own the privilege of looking inside himself  to discover what truly resides there. Comfort is an illusion. A false security bred from familiar things and familiar ways. It narrows the mind. Weakens the body. And robs the soul of spirit and determination. Comfort is neither welcome nor tolerated here."

"Courage is not the absence of fear, but is doing what you have to, in spite of the fear."
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Re: Social Justice is a smokescreen for Critical Theory
« Reply #6 on: October 04, 2021, 12:39:57 AM »
A point id like to discuss is when did critical theory really take off? My estimate is post WWI when that event caused a crisis of faith within the western world about itself.

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Re: Social Justice is a smokescreen for Critical Theory
« Reply #7 on: October 04, 2021, 02:29:27 AM »
A point id like to discuss is when did critical theory really take off? My estimate is post WWI when that event caused a crisis of faith within the western world about itself.
Critical theory is derived from both the Frankfort school and postmodernism, which can be traced in turn to Marxism and earlier philosophers like Hegel. That isn't particularly clustered around the 1920s, and it's modern incarnation appeared very specifically in the 1970s and 1980s, at Harvard.

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Re: Social Justice is a smokescreen for Critical Theory
« Reply #8 on: October 04, 2021, 03:34:22 AM »
I don't think the spread and influence of critical theory we see is at all coincidental, but rather is intentionally pushed along by elites who seeded it as a convenient justification for diverting attention from their own ambitious (and evil) goals.

Word-usage analysis in propaganda media (NYT, WaPo, Time, etc) shows the Woke language trend in media occurred pretty suddenly during the aftermath of the 2008 financial crisis (& 2011's OWS movement). Someone activated key agents to begin disseminating propaganda.

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Re: Social Justice is a smokescreen for Critical Theory
« Reply #9 on: October 04, 2021, 01:56:45 PM »
I don't think the spread and influence of critical theory we see is at all coincidental, but rather is intentionally pushed along by elites who seeded it as a convenient justification for diverting attention from their own ambitious (and evil) goals.

I don't think so. While some people think they can use it, too many up-toppers have been shot by the force once it gains control.

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Re: Social Justice is a smokescreen for Critical Theory
« Reply #10 on: October 04, 2021, 04:16:20 PM »
I don't think the spread and influence of critical theory we see is at all coincidental, but rather is intentionally pushed along by elites who seeded it as a convenient justification for diverting attention from their own ambitious (and evil) goals.

I don't think so. While some people think they can use it, too many up-toppers have been shot by the force once it gains control.

Sounds like the French Revolution writ small. And those who would, would make it large.

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Re: Social Justice is a smokescreen for Critical Theory
« Reply #11 on: October 04, 2021, 04:22:21 PM »
How to put it: I think so far its largely being kept alive by non-true believers that want to use it for clout/distraction. But once it grows big enough their behinds will be some of the first lined up at the wall.

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Re: Social Justice is a smokescreen for Critical Theory
« Reply #12 on: October 04, 2021, 04:50:59 PM »
I don't think the spread and influence of critical theory we see is at all coincidental, but rather is intentionally pushed along by elites who seeded it as a convenient justification for diverting attention from their own ambitious (and evil) goals.

Word-usage analysis in propaganda media (NYT, WaPo, Time, etc) shows the Woke language trend in media occurred pretty suddenly during the aftermath of the 2008 financial crisis (& 2011's OWS movement). Someone activated key agents to begin disseminating propaganda.

Zelen, how many actual "agents" do you think there are? i.e. people who know they are agents, rather than people who genuinely believe in the material they are publishing?

I am open to believing in a conspiracy among a handful of people. I know that in past decades agencies have planted provocateurs to engage in false flag or such action. I am sure that they continue to do so. But if there are more than a dozen people involved, then I don't believe that the secret will keep. There will be a Panama Papers or Snowden or similar revealing it.

Something like "Woke" language is far too broad a popular trend to attribute solely to a handful of planted agents, in my opinion.

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Re: Social Justice is a smokescreen for Critical Theory
« Reply #13 on: October 04, 2021, 05:28:14 PM »
I don't think the spread and influence of critical theory we see is at all coincidental, but rather is intentionally pushed along by elites who seeded it as a convenient justification for diverting attention from their own ambitious (and evil) goals.

Word-usage analysis in propaganda media (NYT, WaPo, Time, etc) shows the Woke language trend in media occurred pretty suddenly during the aftermath of the 2008 financial crisis (& 2011's OWS movement). Someone activated key agents to begin disseminating propaganda.

Zelen, how many actual "agents" do you think there are? i.e. people who know they are agents, rather than people who genuinely believe in the material they are publishing?

I am open to believing in a conspiracy among a handful of people. I know that in past decades agencies have planted provocateurs to engage in false flag or such action. I am sure that they continue to do so. But if there are more than a dozen people involved, then I don't believe that the secret will keep. There will be a Panama Papers or Snowden or similar revealing it.

Something like "Woke" language is far too broad a popular trend to attribute solely to a handful of planted agents, in my opinion.
That time also coincides with the rise of social media and tumblr. I think the real answer is that poorly designed algorithms promoted extremist material that warped the Overton window. Along with plenty of other chaotic effects as a result of the internet suddenly surging in usage and mobile phones making it easier to access than ever before. Along with human civilizations being wildly unequal. It's the perfect storm for a positive feedback loop of crazy on all sides of the political spectrum across the planet.

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Re: Social Justice is a smokescreen for Critical Theory
« Reply #14 on: October 04, 2021, 05:58:50 PM »
People, generally speaking, are judgmental and like to feel important and superior to others. Social justice warrioring is a perfect outlet for those tendencies. When combined with social media, pocket computers, and freedom, you get a perfect storm of self-important judgmental behavior without consequences. There may be Critical Theory zealots who try to shape the noise, but it could just be opportunism.

I believe that certain states, such as China and Russia, are more capable of reaping a benefit from the chaos. Who is better positioned to socially destabilize Western democracies than authoritarian regimes that tightly control their own people? They have means and opportunity. Do they have motive? Perhaps it's the modern version of that time when Germany sent Lenin to Russia to stir some shit up.