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Author Topic: So, how about that Rittenhouse trial?  (Read 34582 times)

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Re: So, how about that Rittenhouse trial?
« Reply #240 on: November 20, 2021, 01:32:36 AM »
Riots in Brooklyn, NY and Portland, OR.

Expected.  I definitely was armed when I went out to the store.  I’m seeing funny stuff going on away from the rioting too.  I predict some 7-11’s will be robbed tonight while the police are “distracted”. 

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Re: So, how about that Rittenhouse trial?
« Reply #241 on: November 20, 2021, 01:33:45 AM »
Glad I'm on day shift nowadays.

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Re: So, how about that Rittenhouse trial?
« Reply #242 on: November 20, 2021, 04:00:55 AM »
Riots in Brooklyn, NY and Portland, OR.

I noticed there isn't any rioting in Kenosha, though...

...not sure why that is.   ;)
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Re: So, how about that Rittenhouse trial?
« Reply #243 on: November 20, 2021, 04:42:51 AM »
NPR was more balanced than I expected, which isn't saying a lot. They mentioned the riots were initiated by an incident involving a black man, but explicitly pointed out that all the 3 people Rittenhouse shot were white. And they had a short man on the street statement from someone who supported Rittenhouse's acquittal. But that's as far as it went. They had twice as many people who called the acquittal a mockery of justice, called the three people shot "victims", repeatedly said Rittenhouse "murdered" two people, said the riots with burning dumpsters being pushed toward gas stations were "racial justice protests", and never discussed the legal merits of the case or its open and shut nature. And then they shifted the discussion to talk about the families of the "victims", though only Avril Huber's family had made a statement, so most of it was "imagine what they're going through" nonsense.
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Re: So, how about that Rittenhouse trial?
« Reply #244 on: November 20, 2021, 04:44:18 AM »
Man.....I still feel for Kyle. The mans life is fucked up. Just not in jail. He needs to sue those fuckers for every last penny.
Nah, he's a celebrity now. He can probably charge as much as the Clintons for speaking fees.

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Re: So, how about that Rittenhouse trial?
« Reply #245 on: November 20, 2021, 04:56:44 AM »
AFAICT usually in these sorts of cases in the USA the judge is a political appointee who sides with the prosecution, as in most Civil Law countries (except in Civil Law nations the judges are bureaucrats, in the USA they seem more like politicians). But I guess this varies according to State. It was interesting seeing an actual independent judge, not a tool of the State. Will there be pressure to ensure this does not happen again?

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Re: So, how about that Rittenhouse trial?
« Reply #246 on: November 20, 2021, 06:37:20 AM »
AFAICT usually in these sorts of cases in the USA the judge is a political appointee who sides with the prosecution, as in most Civil Law countries (except in Civil Law nations the judges are bureaucrats, in the USA they seem more like politicians). But I guess this varies according to State. It was interesting seeing an actual independent judge, not a tool of the State. Will there be pressure to ensure this does not happen again?
Federal judges are appointed, but at the state level it’s a highly varied mish-mash of elections for some, appointments in others, and sometimes a hybrid approach some sort such as initial appointments followed by retention elections. The judge in Kenosha was elected.

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/judicial-selection-significant-figures

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Re: So, how about that Rittenhouse trial?
« Reply #247 on: November 20, 2021, 07:46:40 AM »
Why is he "clearly a moron?"

I wouldn't say a moron, but what he did was dangerous and risky. But in general I think what he did was ethical.
We can't decry a public lack of ethics and then call people morons when they put their life on the line to do something good.

I realize I’m being too harsh on the kid but what he did was incredibly stupid. He could be dead right now.  This wasn’t his town/neighborhood.  I don’t think it’s a coincidence that the one person who had to resort to deadly force was a 16 year old.
Strictly speaking, it was. He worked in Kenosha. His dad (separated from his mom) lived in Kenosha. Gaige Grosskreutz, aka the one-armed man, drove a further distance to get there than Rittenhouse did.

Now, I still think he should've exercised a little more common sense in going out there... but y'know, hindsight is 20/20.

There's a lot more blame that could be placed than on just Rittenhouse. Blame the media, BLM, and Antifa for whipping up a storm over Jacob Blake. Blame Governor Evers for not deploying the NG and stating 'If you are seen setting fires, they will shoot you'. Blame the idiot rioters who didn't zip-tie Rosenbaum to a lamppost when they realized he was batshit fucking crazy (yeah, they knew).

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Re: So, how about that Rittenhouse trial?
« Reply #248 on: November 20, 2021, 08:47:08 AM »
The Chair of the House Judiciary committee calls for the continuation of the witch hunt: "This heartbreaking verdict is a miscarriage of justice and sets a dangerous precedent which justifies federal review by DOJ. Justice cannot tolerate armed persons crossing state lines looking for trouble while people engage in First Amendment-protected protest."
https://twitter.com/RepJerryNadler/status/1461775482496724998?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Go Fund Me has clarified that they wouldn't let Rittenhouse raise money for his legal defense when he needed it, but now that the trial is over it's okay:
https://medium.com/gofundme-stories/gofundme-policy-on-fundraisers-for-the-legal-defense-of-violent-crimes-975aff8ba5f6


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Re: So, how about that Rittenhouse trial?
« Reply #249 on: November 20, 2021, 09:35:34 AM »
The Chair of the House Judiciary committee calls for the continuation of the witch hunt: "This heartbreaking verdict is a miscarriage of justice and sets a dangerous precedent which justifies federal review by DOJ. Justice cannot tolerate armed persons crossing state lines looking for trouble while people engage in First Amendment-protected protest."
https://twitter.com/RepJerryNadler/status/1461775482496724998?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Go Fund Me has clarified that they wouldn't let Rittenhouse raise money for his legal defense when he needed it, but now that the trial is over it's okay:
https://medium.com/gofundme-stories/gofundme-policy-on-fundraisers-for-the-legal-defense-of-violent-crimes-975aff8ba5f6
From what I read it looks like one can have a Go Fund Me after an acquittal, even Rittenhouse. Sounds to me like Go Fund Me is thinking there’s a significant amount of money they’re missing out on. Go Fund Me has always struck me as sketchy no matter who or what is getting funded.

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Re: So, how about that Rittenhouse trial?
« Reply #250 on: November 20, 2021, 10:31:13 AM »
The Chair of the House Judiciary committee calls for the continuation of the witch hunt: "This heartbreaking verdict is a miscarriage of justice and sets a dangerous precedent which justifies federal review by DOJ. Justice cannot tolerate armed persons crossing state lines looking for trouble while people engage in First Amendment-protected protest."
https://twitter.com/RepJerryNadler/status/1461775482496724998?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Go Fund Me has clarified that they wouldn't let Rittenhouse raise money for his legal defense when he needed it, but now that the trial is over it's okay:
https://medium.com/gofundme-stories/gofundme-policy-on-fundraisers-for-the-legal-defense-of-violent-crimes-975aff8ba5f6

From what I read it looks like one can have a Go Fund Me after an acquittal, even Rittenhouse. Sounds to me like Go Fund Me is thinking there’s a significant amount of money they’re missing out on. Go Fund Me has always struck me as sketchy no matter who or what is getting funded.

I actually think Gofundme is trying to avoid the lawsuit storm...
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Re: So, how about that Rittenhouse trial?
« Reply #251 on: November 20, 2021, 01:17:07 PM »
The Chair of the House Judiciary committee calls for the continuation of the witch hunt: "This heartbreaking verdict is a miscarriage of justice and sets a dangerous precedent which justifies federal review by DOJ. Justice cannot tolerate armed persons crossing state lines looking for trouble while people engage in First Amendment-protected protest."
https://twitter.com/RepJerryNadler/status/1461775482496724998?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Go Fund Me has clarified that they wouldn't let Rittenhouse raise money for his legal defense when he needed it, but now that the trial is over it's okay:
https://medium.com/gofundme-stories/gofundme-policy-on-fundraisers-for-the-legal-defense-of-violent-crimes-975aff8ba5f6

From what I read it looks like one can have a Go Fund Me after an acquittal, even Rittenhouse. Sounds to me like Go Fund Me is thinking there’s a significant amount of money they’re missing out on. Go Fund Me has always struck me as sketchy no matter who or what is getting funded.

I actually think Gofundme is trying to avoid the lawsuit storm...

This.  Doesn't matter though that they're pretending they're good people now.  At the time, they slandered him just as bad as everyone else.  I'd argue that it is even worse for them than the some rando twitter shill because money is involved.  Unless it involves actual illegal activity on their part, *all* of these "donate" platforms should be required to allow anyone to use their platform.  The users will decide whether or not something is worth donating to.  More importantly, why would you ever trust a platform that caves to the whims of angry Twitter rando mental patients?

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Re: So, how about that Rittenhouse trial?
« Reply #252 on: November 20, 2021, 02:14:21 PM »
The Chair of the House Judiciary committee calls for the continuation of the witch hunt: "This heartbreaking verdict is a miscarriage of justice and sets a dangerous precedent which justifies federal review by DOJ. Justice cannot tolerate armed persons crossing state lines looking for trouble while people engage in First Amendment-protected protest."
https://twitter.com/RepJerryNadler/status/1461775482496724998?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Go Fund Me has clarified that they wouldn't let Rittenhouse raise money for his legal defense when he needed it, but now that the trial is over it's okay:
https://medium.com/gofundme-stories/gofundme-policy-on-fundraisers-for-the-legal-defense-of-violent-crimes-975aff8ba5f6

From what I read it looks like one can have a Go Fund Me after an acquittal, even Rittenhouse. Sounds to me like Go Fund Me is thinking there’s a significant amount of money they’re missing out on. Go Fund Me has always struck me as sketchy no matter who or what is getting funded.

I actually think Gofundme is trying to avoid the lawsuit storm...

This.  Doesn't matter though that they're pretending they're good people now.  At the time, they slandered him just as bad as everyone else.  I'd argue that it is even worse for them than the some rando twitter shill because money is involved.  Unless it involves actual illegal activity on their part, *all* of these "donate" platforms should be required to allow anyone to use their platform.  The users will decide whether or not something is worth donating to.  More importantly, why would you ever trust a platform that caves to the whims of angry Twitter rando mental patients?
The platforms are private businesses. Aren't private businesses allowed to deny services to would-be customers for many reasons, so long as it's not along certain discriminatory lines?

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Re: So, how about that Rittenhouse trial?
« Reply #253 on: November 20, 2021, 02:19:27 PM »
The platforms are private businesses. Aren't private businesses allowed to deny services to would-be customers for many reasons, so long as it's not along certain discriminatory lines?

I very much agree with this for once.
I think its shitty, and unethical, but you should be allowed to descriminate on any grounds you desire (even racist/sexist ones).

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Re: So, how about that Rittenhouse trial?
« Reply #254 on: November 20, 2021, 02:50:32 PM »
Victory is sweet.

But do not forget, Justice has not been served. Malicious prosecutors T. Clair Binger and James Kraus are still roaming free. These scumbags used the authority of the state to bring a malicious prosecution against an innocent man, and in the process suborned perjury, manipulated & concealed evidence, and otherwise behaved in an unethical fashion for reasons that almost certainly have to do with personal & professional enrichment. Binger himself has an inappropriate relationship with a judge in Wisconsin, both of them need to be removed from any kind of public office. But don't be surprised when you see this smug, lying face on CNN as a legal analyst.

Terrorists will crawl out from the cracks and torch more communities. The media that summoned them by chanting lies, over and over again, are still unpunished for their role in inciting violence.