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So, how about that Rittenhouse trial?

Started by DM_Curt, November 09, 2021, 04:01:58 PM

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KingCheops

Quote from: Ghostmaker on November 19, 2021, 05:25:23 PM
(As one wag put it, they're deciding which one of them wins in the MSNBC lawsuit. Loser has to be president; winner gets to fire Joy Reid.)

Bablyon Bee had my favorite:

https://babylonbee.com/news/rittenhouse-sandmann-agree-to-share-joint-custody-of-cnn

Shrieking Banshee

Quote from: Aglondir on November 19, 2021, 07:09:07 PMWhy is he "clearly a moron?"

I wouldn't say a moron, but what he did was dangerous and risky. But in general I think what he did was ethical.
We can't decry a public lack of ethics and then call people morons when they put their life on the line to do something good.

Willmark

#227
Double post

Willmark

So spent probably way to much time on Twitter which I never do and various left leaning sites on this and one take away is clear: those on the left, alot, but not all have no idea what this case was about, who was involved nor the charges.

There are places like Salon and CNN which are still I can only persume deliberately getting stuff wrong like:
"He crossed state lines" Its not illegal to cross from one state to another.
"He illegally crossed state lines with a rifle!" No he didn't.

Then there is the shift of "let focus on the families of these victims. Families sure I can see some sympathy here but these three (actually four) guys were not saints by any stretch. Does that mean they should have been killed outright for it? Not diving into that but to point out in each of the three cases:

Rosenbaum- chasing after Rittenhouse after he retreated multiple times. Out of anyone he is the one most directly responsible for all of this. Talk about should have never been there.

Huber- Assault with a skateboard? I dont think anyone would want to be on the receiving end of that to the head.

Jump kick guy- funny they couldn't figure out who he was until after it went to trial. One of the charges was actually against Rittenhouse was from him from what I've read! Dude got lucky too, Rittenhouse almost got him with two shots.

Gauge G- this guy, you have to be kidding me. Only illegal gun that night was his and points his gun at Rittenhouse? Lucky to get away with just part of his arm blown off. Funny, is he being brought up on any criminal charges related to this? I think we know the answer to that.

In the end their is no winners in this IMO, Civil trials? I don't think they can get much from Rittenhouse until after he sues the media into oblivion. Federal charges? Nadler is a disgrace, I don't see how they can get civil rights violations out of this.

And this is to say nothing about the massive amount of civil rights violations the Prosecution engaged in.

Ghostmaker

John Farnam once said: 'Avoid stupid people. Avoid stupid places. Avoid stupid people doing stupid things.'

I would give Rittenhouse one hell of a chewing out for violating that.

But that doesn't qualify for criminal charges. And it doesn't require him to let a mob tear him apart either.

myleftnut

Quote from: Aglondir on November 19, 2021, 07:09:07 PM
Quote from: myleftnut on November 19, 2021, 05:48:55 PM
Quote from: Willmark on November 19, 2021, 01:15:47 PM
Not guilty on all charges!

Good.  The media really went too far with this one.  Extreme dishonesty about something any of us can see on video.  He was being chased with intent to do harm or kill.  One dude even fired a fucking gun.  Sure the kid was playing vigilante super hero and is clearly a moron but that doesn't mean his life is forfeit when he's being attacked.

Why is he "clearly a moron?"

Someone with a firearm should consider the possibility they may need to use it.  I think his actions ultimately are just but he's too young to be playing Punisher. 

wmarshal

Quote from: Ghostmaker on November 19, 2021, 08:47:05 PM
John Farnam once said: 'Avoid stupid people. Avoid stupid places. Avoid stupid people doing stupid things.'

I would give Rittenhouse one hell of a chewing out for violating that.

But that doesn't qualify for criminal charges. And it doesn't require him to let a mob tear him apart either.
I agree with this with a caveat. When a mob shows up in your neighborhood to riot you weren't given the choice of location. If mob showed up in my neighborhood my neighbors and I would arm up and be prepared to defend ourselves. Most people who live in cities and states without crazy gun control laws would.

I wouldn't go across town to meet up with a bunch of people I may not know very well, with whom there hasn't been any practice of group tactics and maneuver, and where I didn't know the terrain very well to where I would have to use Google to find locations. I think part of the reason why Rittenhouse was attacked (in conjunction with his attackers being stupid asses) was that he was separated from the rest of his group. Predators in nature go after the prey that gets separated from the herd.

None of what I said above justifies the mob coming after him. Rittenhouse lawfully defended himself, but it could have gone very wrong for him. He could have been killed. He could have received a verdict that sent him away for the rest of his life. The jury decided correctly, but every jury decision is a roll of the dice, and that can always come up snake eyes.

FelixGamingX1

Good for him all charges were acquitted. It's only fair. Hopefully he can overcome the trauma and live the rest of his life in peace.
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3catcircus

Quote from: wmarshal on November 19, 2021, 09:08:00 PM
Quote from: Ghostmaker on November 19, 2021, 08:47:05 PM
John Farnam once said: 'Avoid stupid people. Avoid stupid places. Avoid stupid people doing stupid things.'

I would give Rittenhouse one hell of a chewing out for violating that.

But that doesn't qualify for criminal charges. And it doesn't require him to let a mob tear him apart either.
I agree with this with a caveat. When a mob shows up in your neighborhood to riot you weren't given the choice of location. If mob showed up in my neighborhood my neighbors and I would arm up and be prepared to defend ourselves. Most people who live in cities and states without crazy gun control laws would.

I wouldn't go across town to meet up with a bunch of people I may not know very well, with whom there hasn't been any practice of group tactics and maneuver, and where I didn't know the terrain very well to where I would have to use Google to find locations. I think part of the reason why Rittenhouse was attacked (in conjunction with his attackers being stupid asses) was that he was separated from the rest of his group. Predators in nature go after the prey that gets separated from the herd.

None of what I said above justifies the mob coming after him. Rittenhouse lawfully defended himself, but it could have gone very wrong for him. He could have been killed. He could have received a verdict that sent him away for the rest of his life. The jury decided correctly, but every jury decision is a roll of the dice, and that can always come up snake eyes.

The left continues to howl that they would be alive if he hasn't been there that night with a rifle.  Yes - this is true. And irrelevant.  What they ought to be saying is that they would be alive if they hadn't shown up to riot and try to kill a 17 year old for trying to put out the fires they set. They would still be alive if the Dem  mayor hadn't forced the police to abandon the streets to the mob. They would still be alive if the Dem governor had brought in guardsmen after three days of riots

The other thing that no one on the left is willing to acknowledge: legitimate protests had shut down earlier in the day - "protestors" out there that late were up to no good.

In the likely upcoming riots, the police and national guard *have* to apply a zero tolerance approach.  Try to set a fire, break a window, or assault people and you'll be shot.  Protest turns violent and they order the crowd to disperse and they don't and they'll receive plenty of taserings, tear gas, and wooden shampoo.

We *know* that organized protestors on both sides who show up actually bearing firearms are likely to be peaceful.  It's the disaffected 30 year old purple-haired with questionable sexuality intersectional studies student turds and their Marxist professors that are the problem.  Pretty much anyone with made-up pronouns in their social media profile is going to be a problem.  These are people who are unable to think other than emotionally whose rioting is a grown-up-child tantrum. 

HappyDaze

Quote from: 3catcircus on November 19, 2021, 09:29:08 PM
Quote from: wmarshal on November 19, 2021, 09:08:00 PM
Quote from: Ghostmaker on November 19, 2021, 08:47:05 PM
John Farnam once said: 'Avoid stupid people. Avoid stupid places. Avoid stupid people doing stupid things.'

I would give Rittenhouse one hell of a chewing out for violating that.

But that doesn't qualify for criminal charges. And it doesn't require him to let a mob tear him apart either.
I agree with this with a caveat. When a mob shows up in your neighborhood to riot you weren't given the choice of location. If mob showed up in my neighborhood my neighbors and I would arm up and be prepared to defend ourselves. Most people who live in cities and states without crazy gun control laws would.

I wouldn't go across town to meet up with a bunch of people I may not know very well, with whom there hasn't been any practice of group tactics and maneuver, and where I didn't know the terrain very well to where I would have to use Google to find locations. I think part of the reason why Rittenhouse was attacked (in conjunction with his attackers being stupid asses) was that he was separated from the rest of his group. Predators in nature go after the prey that gets separated from the herd.

None of what I said above justifies the mob coming after him. Rittenhouse lawfully defended himself, but it could have gone very wrong for him. He could have been killed. He could have received a verdict that sent him away for the rest of his life. The jury decided correctly, but every jury decision is a roll of the dice, and that can always come up snake eyes.

The left continues to howl that they would be alive if he hasn't been there that night with a rifle.  Yes - this is true. And irrelevant.  What they ought to be saying is that they would be alive if they hadn't shown up to riot and try to kill a 17 year old for trying to put out the fires they set. They would still be alive if the Dem  mayor hadn't forced the police to abandon the streets to the mob. They would still be alive if the Dem governor had brought in guardsmen after three days of riots

The other thing that no one on the left is willing to acknowledge: legitimate protests had shut down earlier in the day - "protestors" out there that late were up to no good.

In the likely upcoming riots, the police and national guard *have* to apply a zero tolerance approach.  Try to set a fire, break a window, or assault people and you'll be shot.  Protest turns violent and they order the crowd to disperse and they don't and they'll receive plenty of taserings, tear gas, and wooden shampoo.

We *know* that organized protestors on both sides who show up actually bearing firearms are likely to be peaceful.  It's the disaffected 30 year old purple-haired with questionable sexuality intersectional studies student turds and their Marxist professors that are the problem.  Pretty much anyone with made-up pronouns in their social media profile is going to be a problem.  These are people who are unable to think other than emotionally whose rioting is a grown-up-child tantrum.
Let's test your theory. Remind us all again,, what were the preferred pronouns of the three people Kyle shot?

SHARK

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3catcircus

Quote from: HappyDaze on November 19, 2021, 09:59:01 PM
Quote from: 3catcircus on November 19, 2021, 09:29:08 PM
Quote from: wmarshal on November 19, 2021, 09:08:00 PM
Quote from: Ghostmaker on November 19, 2021, 08:47:05 PM
John Farnam once said: 'Avoid stupid people. Avoid stupid places. Avoid stupid people doing stupid things.'

I would give Rittenhouse one hell of a chewing out for violating that.

But that doesn't qualify for criminal charges. And it doesn't require him to let a mob tear him apart either.
I agree with this with a caveat. When a mob shows up in your neighborhood to riot you weren't given the choice of location. If mob showed up in my neighborhood my neighbors and I would arm up and be prepared to defend ourselves. Most people who live in cities and states without crazy gun control laws would.

I wouldn't go across town to meet up with a bunch of people I may not know very well, with whom there hasn't been any practice of group tactics and maneuver, and where I didn't know the terrain very well to where I would have to use Google to find locations. I think part of the reason why Rittenhouse was attacked (in conjunction with his attackers being stupid asses) was that he was separated from the rest of his group. Predators in nature go after the prey that gets separated from the herd.

None of what I said above justifies the mob coming after him. Rittenhouse lawfully defended himself, but it could have gone very wrong for him. He could have been killed. He could have received a verdict that sent him away for the rest of his life. The jury decided correctly, but every jury decision is a roll of the dice, and that can always come up snake eyes.

The left continues to howl that they would be alive if he hasn't been there that night with a rifle.  Yes - this is true. And irrelevant.  What they ought to be saying is that they would be alive if they hadn't shown up to riot and try to kill a 17 year old for trying to put out the fires they set. They would still be alive if the Dem  mayor hadn't forced the police to abandon the streets to the mob. They would still be alive if the Dem governor had brought in guardsmen after three days of riots

The other thing that no one on the left is willing to acknowledge: legitimate protests had shut down earlier in the day - "protestors" out there that late were up to no good.

In the likely upcoming riots, the police and national guard *have* to apply a zero tolerance approach.  Try to set a fire, break a window, or assault people and you'll be shot.  Protest turns violent and they order the crowd to disperse and they don't and they'll receive plenty of taserings, tear gas, and wooden shampoo.

We *know* that organized protestors on both sides who show up actually bearing firearms are likely to be peaceful.  It's the disaffected 30 year old purple-haired with questionable sexuality intersectional studies student turds and their Marxist professors that are the problem.  Pretty much anyone with made-up pronouns in their social media profile is going to be a problem.  These are people who are unable to think other than emotionally whose rioting is a grown-up-child tantrum.
Let's test your theory. Remind us all again,, what were the preferred pronouns of the three people Kyle shot?

Doesn't matter now - two are taking permanent dirt naps and the third isn't going to be rioting any time soon.

HappyDaze

Quote from: 3catcircus on November 19, 2021, 10:23:59 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze on November 19, 2021, 09:59:01 PM
Quote from: 3catcircus on November 19, 2021, 09:29:08 PM
Quote from: wmarshal on November 19, 2021, 09:08:00 PM
Quote from: Ghostmaker on November 19, 2021, 08:47:05 PM
John Farnam once said: 'Avoid stupid people. Avoid stupid places. Avoid stupid people doing stupid things.'

I would give Rittenhouse one hell of a chewing out for violating that.

But that doesn't qualify for criminal charges. And it doesn't require him to let a mob tear him apart either.
I agree with this with a caveat. When a mob shows up in your neighborhood to riot you weren't given the choice of location. If mob showed up in my neighborhood my neighbors and I would arm up and be prepared to defend ourselves. Most people who live in cities and states without crazy gun control laws would.

I wouldn't go across town to meet up with a bunch of people I may not know very well, with whom there hasn't been any practice of group tactics and maneuver, and where I didn't know the terrain very well to where I would have to use Google to find locations. I think part of the reason why Rittenhouse was attacked (in conjunction with his attackers being stupid asses) was that he was separated from the rest of his group. Predators in nature go after the prey that gets separated from the herd.

None of what I said above justifies the mob coming after him. Rittenhouse lawfully defended himself, but it could have gone very wrong for him. He could have been killed. He could have received a verdict that sent him away for the rest of his life. The jury decided correctly, but every jury decision is a roll of the dice, and that can always come up snake eyes.

The left continues to howl that they would be alive if he hasn't been there that night with a rifle.  Yes - this is true. And irrelevant.  What they ought to be saying is that they would be alive if they hadn't shown up to riot and try to kill a 17 year old for trying to put out the fires they set. They would still be alive if the Dem  mayor hadn't forced the police to abandon the streets to the mob. They would still be alive if the Dem governor had brought in guardsmen after three days of riots

The other thing that no one on the left is willing to acknowledge: legitimate protests had shut down earlier in the day - "protestors" out there that late were up to no good.

In the likely upcoming riots, the police and national guard *have* to apply a zero tolerance approach.  Try to set a fire, break a window, or assault people and you'll be shot.  Protest turns violent and they order the crowd to disperse and they don't and they'll receive plenty of taserings, tear gas, and wooden shampoo.

We *know* that organized protestors on both sides who show up actually bearing firearms are likely to be peaceful.  It's the disaffected 30 year old purple-haired with questionable sexuality intersectional studies student turds and their Marxist professors that are the problem.  Pretty much anyone with made-up pronouns in their social media profile is going to be a problem.  These are people who are unable to think other than emotionally whose rioting is a grown-up-child tantrum.
Let's test your theory. Remind us all again,, what were the preferred pronouns of the three people Kyle shot?

Doesn't matter now - two are taking permanent dirt naps and the third isn't going to be rioting any time soon.
You're said that "Pretty much anyone with made-up pronouns in their social media profile is going to be a problem." I'm just asking if you have any evidence that these are likely to be the ones initiating violence (real violence here, not the "words are violence" stuff). I believe you're wrong here and are just throwing two different groups you dislike/oppose into the same category, but if you have evidence to the contrary, I'd be interested in seeing it.

DM_Curt

Riots in Brooklyn, NY and Portland, OR.

myleftnut

Quote from: Shrieking Banshee on November 19, 2021, 08:07:00 PM
Quote from: Aglondir on November 19, 2021, 07:09:07 PMWhy is he "clearly a moron?"

I wouldn't say a moron, but what he did was dangerous and risky. But in general I think what he did was ethical.
We can't decry a public lack of ethics and then call people morons when they put their life on the line to do something good.

I realize I'm being too harsh on the kid but what he did was incredibly stupid. He could be dead right now.  This wasn't his town/neighborhood.  I don't think it's a coincidence that the one person who had to resort to deadly force was a 16 year old.