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Author Topic: So, how about that Rittenhouse trial?  (Read 34557 times)

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Re: So, how about that Rittenhouse trial?
« Reply #165 on: November 16, 2021, 08:47:40 PM »
Has it been established why he drove to defend this particular car lot (as opposed to all the other property that was in jeopardy)? There is some uncertainty about whether he was asked to by the owners, but how did he know them in the first place (if he did)?

It doesn't matter.  What matters are the facts of the case as indicated by the evidence and testimony - and all of it points to an acquittal.

It doesn't matter for the trial. It matters for my own personal curiosity

Evidently a car sales company asked people to help defend their property and then got on the stand saying that they didnt do nuffin and the selfies they took with Rittenhouse were because they always take selfies with random strangers.
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Re: So, how about that Rittenhouse trial?
« Reply #166 on: November 16, 2021, 09:12:32 PM »
I can't even see how you'd sustain a charge of manslaughter.
I don't either, its simply a question of the mob has to have some sort of justice, facts be damned.

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Re: So, how about that Rittenhouse trial?
« Reply #167 on: November 16, 2021, 09:49:06 PM »
I can't even see how you'd sustain a charge of manslaughter.
I don't either, its simply a question of the mob has to have some sort of justice, facts be damned.
That's an interesting use of of the word "justice". Reminds me a lot of how "insurrection" or "peaceful protests" or "white supremacy" have come to be used.

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Re: So, how about that Rittenhouse trial?
« Reply #168 on: November 17, 2021, 12:03:30 AM »
I can't even see how you'd sustain a charge of manslaughter.
I don't either, its simply a question of the mob has to have some sort of justice, facts be damned.
That's an interesting use of of the word "justice". Reminds me a lot of how "insurrection" or "peaceful protests" or "white supremacy" have come to be used.
I think that's why he put it in italics.
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Re: So, how about that Rittenhouse trial?
« Reply #169 on: November 17, 2021, 06:55:57 AM »
I can't even see how you'd sustain a charge of manslaughter.
I don't either, its simply a question of the mob has to have some sort of justice, facts be damned.
That's an interesting use of of the word "justice". Reminds me a lot of how "insurrection" or "peaceful protests" or "white supremacy" have come to be used.
I think that's why he put it in italics.
Correct.

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Re: So, how about that Rittenhouse trial?
« Reply #170 on: November 17, 2021, 10:27:14 AM »
If this is true, case should immediately be thrown out. Just the latest show of mendacity on the part of the prosecution:
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/rittenhouse-defense-team-accuses-prosecutors-of-withholding-evidence-seeks-mistrial/


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Re: So, how about that Rittenhouse trial?
« Reply #172 on: November 17, 2021, 11:36:27 AM »
To put this in perspective, withholding exculpatory evidence was what got Mike Nifong hammered in the wake of the Duke lacrosse team case.

You do not do this. You do not EVER do this. I don't care if the defendant is so white H.P. Lovecraft would cuddle them, or if he's the blackest guy off the boat from West Africa. You. Do. Not. Withhold. Exculpatory. Evidence.

There is a REASON we set the process up this way.

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Re: So, how about that Rittenhouse trial?
« Reply #173 on: November 17, 2021, 11:39:48 AM »
To put this in perspective, withholding exculpatory evidence was what got Mike Nifong hammered in the wake of the Duke lacrosse team case.

You do not do this. You do not EVER do this. I don't care if the defendant is so white H.P. Lovecraft would cuddle them, or if he's the blackest guy off the boat from West Africa. You. Do. Not. Withhold. Exculpatory. Evidence.

There is a REASON we set the process up this way.

Begs the question - are Lunch Box and Littlebinger that incompetent, are they that smug about doing things that are blatantly wrong because other judges didn't do their jobs in the past, or did they know this was a no-win case and decided to take a dive?

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Re: So, how about that Rittenhouse trial?
« Reply #174 on: November 17, 2021, 11:41:40 AM »
To put this in perspective, withholding exculpatory evidence was what got Mike Nifong hammered in the wake of the Duke lacrosse team case.

You do not do this. You do not EVER do this. I don't care if the defendant is so white H.P. Lovecraft would cuddle them, or if he's the blackest guy off the boat from West Africa. You. Do. Not. Withhold. Exculpatory. Evidence.

There is a REASON we set the process up this way.


Begs the question - are Lunch Box and Littlebinger that incompetent, are they that smug about doing things that are blatantly wrong because other judges didn't do their jobs in the past, or did they know this was a no-win case and decided to take a dive?

They assumed they could pull a kangaroo court decision for political ends like Chauvin...they are just that arrogant.
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Re: So, how about that Rittenhouse trial?
« Reply #175 on: November 17, 2021, 12:16:35 PM »
To put this in perspective, withholding exculpatory evidence was what got Mike Nifong hammered in the wake of the Duke lacrosse team case.

You do not do this. You do not EVER do this. I don't care if the defendant is so white H.P. Lovecraft would cuddle them, or if he's the blackest guy off the boat from West Africa. You. Do. Not. Withhold. Exculpatory. Evidence.

There is a REASON we set the process up this way.
Anyone got what the penalties are for doing so in Wisconsin?

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Re: So, how about that Rittenhouse trial?
« Reply #176 on: November 17, 2021, 01:03:00 PM »
I can't even see how you'd sustain a charge of manslaughter.
I don't either, its simply a question of the mob has to have some sort of justice, facts be damned.
That's an interesting use of of the word "justice". Reminds me a lot of how "insurrection" or "peaceful protests" or "white supremacy" have come to be used.
I think that's why he put it in italics.
That's what I assumed.

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Re: So, how about that Rittenhouse trial?
« Reply #177 on: November 17, 2021, 02:22:29 PM »
HOLEE SHIT! The judge is going to place the prosecutors under oath to testify about sending different video to the defense than what they played at trial after hearing Lunchbox claim that it must have been because the defense used Android phones and they couldn't airdrop so they emailed - blaming the defense for their choice of phone.  The defense responded that they were different filenames then what was played at trial and the video was the *only* piece of evidence that they didn't Dropbox to the defense.

I'm sure Littlebinger's inside voice is going "OH FUCK! OH SHIT!! OH FUCK!!!"

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Re: So, how about that Rittenhouse trial?
« Reply #178 on: November 17, 2021, 02:31:39 PM »
HOLEE SHIT! The judge is going to place the prosecutors under oath to testify about sending different video to the defense than what they played at trial after hearing Lunchbox claim that it must have been because the defense used Android phones and they couldn't airdrop so they emailed - blaming the defense for their choice of phone.  The defense responded that they were different filenames then what was played at trial and the video was the *only* piece of evidence that they didn't Dropbox to the defense.

I'm sure Littlebinger's inside voice is going "OH FUCK! OH SHIT!! OH FUCK!!!"
Yeah, the problem is that he's not going to DO anything about it.

Stronger cases have been violently yeeted out of a court for less than this.

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Re: So, how about that Rittenhouse trial?
« Reply #179 on: November 17, 2021, 02:42:25 PM »
HOLEE SHIT! The judge is going to place the prosecutors under oath to testify about sending different video to the defense than what they played at trial after hearing Lunchbox claim that it must have been because the defense used Android phones and they couldn't airdrop so they emailed - blaming the defense for their choice of phone.  The defense responded that they were different filenames then what was played at trial and the video was the *only* piece of evidence that they didn't Dropbox to the defense.

I'm sure Littlebinger's inside voice is going "OH FUCK! OH SHIT!! OH FUCK!!!"
Yeah, the problem is that he's not going to DO anything about it.

Stronger cases have been violently yeeted out of a court for less than this.

We'll see.  I would think that if they're under oath and they admit to chicanery, the judge pretty much has to do a mistrial with prejudice - the fact that only this video was emailed rather than dropboxed and it was key to the claim of provocation, it goes to bad faith on the part of the prosecution.  Or they could lie under oath at risk of being disbarred.  Even if they get fired for fucking up the case, they'd still at least be able to go represent antifa scum of they aren't found to have perjured themselves.

At this point, there is no remedy to the fact that the prosecutors have prejudiced the defendant.  It also eliminates the need to address the 2 holdout jurors' refusal to acquit based upon fear of the mob.  I am going to go out on a limb in stating that the judge is likely an old-school liberal in the original sense who actually knows how to handle a weapon and would have no problem defending himself against a mob if the case gets tossed.

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OMG - the file they sent to the defense was created 21 minutes after the file they sent to the lab and played at the trial.  Judge needs to shitcan this case right now.
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