So, how about that Rittenhouse trial?

[Shasarak]

Greetings!

Yeah, Jhkim, crimes have increased over the recent years. CRIME has increased, dramatically over the last year, or two, or three.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

How can crime be increasing when the California has changed their state law to make crimes like shop lifting legal?

SHARK who are you going to believe? The official statistics or your own lying eyes?

[jhkim]

And if you read the report, you'll see exactly the same statistics that I showed earlier -- a massive drop in violent crime from 1990 to 2017. That covers the presidencies of all three of Bill Clinton, George W. Bush, and Barack Obama. The report used police statistics collected by the FBI/DOJ - the same data source I linked earlier.

Are you saying that this report is complete bullshit? Or are you only doubting the numbers after 2017?

Yeah, Jhkim, crimes have increased over the recent years. CRIME has increased, dramatically over the last year, or two, or three.

How can crime be increasing when the California has changed their state law to make crimes like shop lifting legal?

SHARK who are you going to believe? The official statistics or your own lying eyes?

So can that even be investigated or discussed, or is it a matter of faith?

Ben Shapiro and other authors at the Daily Wire have cited police crime reports as believable data - like the 2017 example I just posted. SHARK himself cited how Shapiro and Dan Bongino posted police/FBI crime reports.

Is there any objective evidence of crime that can be looked at critically and discussed?

[Pat]

Greetings!

Yeah, Jhkim, crimes have increased over the recent years. CRIME has increased, dramatically over the last year, or two, or three.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

How can crime be increasing when the California has changed their state law to make crimes like shop lifting legal?

SHARK who are you going to believe? The official statistics or your own lying eyes?

Brilliant! If everything's legal, there will be no crime, and then we can completely defund the police!

[SHARK]

Greetings!

Yeah, Jhkim, crimes have increased over the recent years. CRIME has increased, dramatically over the last year, or two, or three.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

How can crime be increasing when the California has changed their state law to make crimes like shop lifting legal?

SHARK who are you going to believe? The official statistics or your own lying eyes?

Brilliant! If everything's legal, there will be no crime, and then we can completely defund the police!

Greetings!

Yeah!

That reminds me, the city of New York, and I think more in New Jersey, etc, all mandated that panhandling, prostitution, and god knows what else were no longer criminal activity, and law enforcement would no longer make arrests involving any of these criminal activities.

Just like the Mayor of Portland declared that BLM and ANTIFA rioters and thgs would not be arrested or charged with anything at all. The city of Portland refused to enforce the laws.

How many robberies, rapes, and murders occurred? Arsons, burnings, vandalism, and more mayhem, all ILLEGAL. How many, I wonder? How many good citizens were victimized by the fucking BLM and ANTIFA thugs while the city and state government just looked on and laughed?

Yeah. Crime going down my ass. We are living in a fucking dystopian shithole more and more every fucking day, thanks to the cock-sucking Liberals.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

[Neoplatonist1]

Greetings!

Yeah, Jhkim, crimes have increased over the recent years. CRIME has increased, dramatically over the last year, or two, or three.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

How can crime be increasing when the California has changed their state law to make crimes like shop lifting legal?

SHARK who are you going to believe? The official statistics or your own lying eyes?

Brilliant! If everything's legal, there will be no crime, and then we can completely defund the police!

Greetings!

Yeah!

That reminds me, the city of New York, and I think more in New Jersey, etc, all mandated that panhandling, prostitution, and god knows what else were no longer criminal activity, and law enforcement would no longer make arrests involving any of these criminal activities.

Just like the Mayor of Portland declared that BLM and ANTIFA rioters and thgs would not be arrested or charged with anything at all. The city of Portland refused to enforce the laws.

How many robberies, rapes, and murders occurred? Arsons, burnings, vandalism, and more mayhem, all ILLEGAL. How many, I wonder? How many good citizens were victimized by the fucking BLM and ANTIFA thugs while the city and state government just looked on and laughed?

Yeah. Crime going down my ass. We are living in a fucking dystopian shithole more and more every fucking day, thanks to the cock-sucking Liberals.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

It's called Anarcho-Tyranny, SHARK.
https://westernman.org/anarcho-tyranny/

[Pat]

Greetings!

Yeah, Jhkim, crimes have increased over the recent years. CRIME has increased, dramatically over the last year, or two, or three.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

How can crime be increasing when the California has changed their state law to make crimes like shop lifting legal?

SHARK who are you going to believe? The official statistics or your own lying eyes?

Brilliant! If everything's legal, there will be no crime, and then we can completely defund the police!

Greetings!

Yeah!

That reminds me, the city of New York, and I think more in New Jersey, etc, all mandated that panhandling, prostitution, and god knows what else were no longer criminal activity, and law enforcement would no longer make arrests involving any of these criminal activities.

Just like the Mayor of Portland declared that BLM and ANTIFA rioters and thgs would not be arrested or charged with anything at all. The city of Portland refused to enforce the laws.

How many robberies, rapes, and murders occurred? Arsons, burnings, vandalism, and more mayhem, all ILLEGAL. How many, I wonder? How many good citizens were victimized by the fucking BLM and ANTIFA thugs while the city and state government just looked on and laughed?

Yeah. Crime going down my ass. We are living in a fucking dystopian shithole more and more every fucking day, thanks to the cock-sucking Liberals.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

It's called Anarcho-Tyranny, SHARK.
https://westernman.org/anarcho-tyranny/

No, it's fascism. Antifa are the new brown or black shirts. The thugs who act outside the law to terrorize those who might dare to oppose those in power, without those in power having to dirty their hands too much.

[Willmark]

Back OT.

1. They charged him less than 48 hours afterwards meaning they were trying to appease the twitteratti/mob/woke-scolds. On top of that the overcharged him, likely in the hope of getting something to stick.

2. The ADA should at minimum be censured if not disbarred for his antics, namely trying to pull up the fact Rittenhouse chose to remain silent. Apparently the right to remain silent doesn't exist to Binger. That's basic law that even non-lawyers know. He might want to look up the US Constitution along with Miranda vs Arizona.

3. I expect there will be a conviction on some lesser charge along the lines of manslaughter.

4. The case should have been dismissed with prejudice based on point #2 above.

5. The media got a lot of this wrong, no surprise there. Even now places like CNN are still claiming he crossed state lines with an illegal weapon to posses. That was thrown out, and it's not illegal to cross state lines.

6. It's readily apparent charges were brought not with the facts but with a view of how the left views justice. Go to any leftward site (Huff Post, Salon, etc) and read the stories and how they are worded and what they omit. The comments on some sites is likewise an interesting read.

7. He should be found not guilty on all counts. Should he have been there, likely not. But when you have multiple people assaulting and/or chasing you? Let alone one with a gun pointing it at you?

[3catcircus]

Back OT.

1. They charged him less than 48 hours afterwards meaning they were trying to appease the twitteratti/mob/woke-scolds.

2. The ADA should at minimum be censured if not disbarred for his antics, namely trying to pull up the fact Rittenhouse chose to remain silent. Apparently the right to remain silent doesn't exist to Binger. That's basic law that even non-lawyer know.

3. I expect there will be a conviction on some lesser charge along the lines of manslaughter.

4. The case should have been dismissed with prejudice based on point #2 above.

5. The media got a lot of this wrong, no surprise there. Even now places like CNN are still claiming he crossed state lines with an illegal weapon to posses. That was thrown out, and it's not illegal to cross state lines.

6. It's readily apparent charges were brought not with the facts but with a view of how the left views justice. Go to any leftward site (Huff Post, Salon, etc) and read the stories and how they are worded and what they omit. The comments on some sites is likewise an interesting read.

7. He should be going not guilty on all counts. Should he have been there, likely not. But when you have multiple people assaulting and/or chasing you? Let alone one with a gun pointing it at you?

The important thing is that in WI, the jury has no say in the sentencing.  So long as there's no mandatory minimum, the judge can decide time served, community service, whatever.  Or he could actually vacate the verdict if it is clear that they ignored his instructions.  The prosecution's hope is that there will be a hung jury so they can try again.  The fact that the prosecution stepped over the line of constitutionality a 2nd (3rd?) time during closing should have resulted in a mistrial with prejudice. 

The fact that during closing, Binger grabbed the rifle, didn't clear the chamber and then pointed in the direction of the jury and then pulled the trigger should be grounds for some type of punitive action against him.  One could only have hoped that he had a negligent discharge...

[Willmark]

And to add as a separate thought? I hope some places, celebs and politicians have good lawyers. Rittenhouse should be looking to sue multiple outlets and I think he has grounds to be able to do so.

[Ratman_tf]

The fact that during closing, Binger grabbed the rifle, didn't clear the chamber and then pointed in the direction of the jury and then pulled the trigger should be grounds for some type of punitive action against him.  One could only have hoped that he had a negligent discharge...

The should have arrested him on the spot.

[Willmark]

Back OT.

1. They charged him less than 48 hours afterwards meaning they were trying to appease the twitteratti/mob/woke-scolds.

2. The ADA should at minimum be censured if not disbarred for his antics, namely trying to pull up the fact Rittenhouse chose to remain silent. Apparently the right to remain silent doesn't exist to Binger. That's basic law that even non-lawyer know.

3. I expect there will be a conviction on some lesser charge along the lines of manslaughter.

4. The case should have been dismissed with prejudice based on point #2 above.

5. The media got a lot of this wrong, no surprise there. Even now places like CNN are still claiming he crossed state lines with an illegal weapon to posses. That was thrown out, and it's not illegal to cross state lines.

6. It's readily apparent charges were brought not with the facts but with a view of how the left views justice. Go to any leftward site (Huff Post, Salon, etc) and read the stories and how they are worded and what they omit. The comments on some sites is likewise an interesting read.

7. He should be going not guilty on all counts. Should he have been there, likely not. But when you have multiple people assaulting and/or chasing you? Let alone one with a gun pointing it at you?

The important thing is that in WI, the jury has no say in the sentencing.  So long as there's no mandatory minimum, the judge can decide time served, community service, whatever.  Or he could actually vacate the verdict if it is clear that they ignored his instructions.  The prosecution's hope is that there will be a hung jury so they can try again.  The fact that the prosecution stepped over the line of constitutionality a 2nd (3rd?) time during closing should have resulted in a mistrial with prejudice. 

The fact that during closing, Binger grabbed the rifle, didn't clear the chamber and then pointed in the direction of the jury and then pulled the trigger should be grounds for some type of punitive action against him.  One could only have hoped that he had a negligent discharge...

When I saw the photo of him holding the rifle it confirmed what we already knew: he has no idea what he is doing with a gun; also questionable if he understands the law.

The fact that he was doing so much wrong with that rifle? I actually heard left leaning posters on other sites try to explain it away as "it was checked and confirmed to be empty..."  yeah know, that would be another broken rule(s), aka always assume it's it's loaded. Don't know about you but I was taught the following (amongst others).

1. Every gun is loaded until you verify it's not
2. Even if it's not loaded treat it like it is.
3 If someone hands you a gun, check to see if a round is chambered even if they just checked it in front of you. YOU need to verify it's not loaded and then treat it as if it were.
4. Never point it anywhere other than it's time to line up on your target.
5. Keep the booger hook of the bang button until it's time to shoot.
6. Be aware of your backdrop, aka what's behind where you are shooting

Etc, aka a whole bunch more rules.

Seems this ADA never learned any of this of which I am not surprised.

[Neoplatonist1]

It's called Anarcho-Tyranny, SHARK.
https://westernman.org/anarcho-tyranny/

No, it's fascism. Antifa are the new brown or black shirts. The thugs who act outside the law to terrorize those who might dare to oppose those in power, without those in power having to dirty their hands too much.

I agree. Anarcho-tyranny is one of fascism's methods.

[Ghostmaker]

I can't even see how you'd sustain a charge of manslaughter.

Edgy jokes aside about how Rittenhouse didn't actually kill people, all three were committing to offensive actions against him. It's open-and-shut self defense.

I could maybe see the McGinniss reckless endangerment charge, maybe if I'd had a few drinks, but the problem there comes back to Rittenhouse getting attacked by pedophile creep. This wasn't a case of Rittenhouse firing into the air (like the idiot ADA suggested he should have, holy shit).

I'm amazed they keep making the argument about 'he shouldn't have been there'. While I've remarked disapprovingly on Kyle being there, that's not a legal argument. Worse, exactly WHO is making the decision that the only people allowed on the street are the rioters? Maybe my tinfoil hat is on too tight, but I really wonder why the DA's office quashed the subpoena and investigation into Grosskreutz's phone.

I gotta say, though, Kraus, the fat guy, had an amazingly smooth-brained imbecilic take. 'Oh, he should have just taken his beating and fought with his fists.'

Holy. Fucking. Shit. That is SO not the standard for self-defense and letting a goddamned mob beat you into a fucking coma is not 'just some scrapes'. I actually hate Kraus more than I hate Binger now.

[3catcircus]

I can't even see how you'd sustain a charge of manslaughter.

Edgy jokes aside about how Rittenhouse didn't actually kill people, all three were committing to offensive actions against him. It's open-and-shut self defense.

I could maybe see the McGinniss reckless endangerment charge, maybe if I'd had a few drinks, but the problem there comes back to Rittenhouse getting attacked by pedophile creep. This wasn't a case of Rittenhouse firing into the air (like the idiot ADA suggested he should have, holy shit).

I'm amazed they keep making the argument about 'he shouldn't have been there'. While I've remarked disapprovingly on Kyle being there, that's not a legal argument. Worse, exactly WHO is making the decision that the only people allowed on the street are the rioters? Maybe my tinfoil hat is on too tight, but I really wonder why the DA's office quashed the subpoena and investigation into Grosskreutz's phone.

I gotta say, though, Kraus, the fat guy, had an amazingly smooth-brained imbecilic take. 'Oh, he should have just taken his beating and fought with his fists.'

Holy. Fucking. Shit. That is SO not the standard for self-defense and letting a goddamned mob beat you into a fucking coma is not 'just some scrapes'. I actually hate Kraus more than I hate Binger now.

I hate them both because they are the open-book view of what a lot of prosecutors do behind closed doors.  It's not about justice, it's about a "win" for them.

I'm a little leery that there are 7 women in the jury - they have (usually) less of an instinctive understanding of the use of violence and when it is appropriate.  One would hope that some of the women own businesses in Kenosha that were burned to the ground by these rioters.

Maybe I'm of a different generation - it's 100% clear that he is innocent.  It's 100% obvious to the most casual of observers that the rioters deserved exactly what they got. It's a bonus that he took out two wastes of oxygen and (hopefully) provided rudder orders to the 3rd that will result in a course correction to his lifepath...  The only non-optimal outcome is he only was able to get 3 scumbag convicted felons off the street.

Those that argue he shouldn't have been there?  What? And the rioters should have?

They argue that he shouldn't have had a weapon or the shootings would not have occurred. Yes, but... If the cops weren't outnumbered they could have gotten the rioters into custody before they chased him. If the governor had deployed the national guard, they could have gotten the rioters into custody before they chased him.  The real answer is those three turds wouldn't have been shot if they had not been rioting and attempting to kill someone for trying to put out the fire they started.

[Pat]

The fact that during closing, Binger grabbed the rifle, didn't clear the chamber and then pointed in the direction of the jury and then pulled the trigger should be grounds for some type of punitive action against him.  One could only have hoped that he had a negligent discharge...

wut

Why isn't he in fucking jail?