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Author Topic: So, how about that Rittenhouse trial?  (Read 7385 times)

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So, how about that Rittenhouse trial?
« on: November 09, 2021, 04:01:58 PM »
Last update, the prosecution's witness Grosskreutz (sp?) admitted that he first drew on Rittenhouse, making the self-defense case.
Grosskreutz being a convicted felon for Burglary, not being in legal possession of the handgun he was photographed with at the scene.

Any guesses to outcome?
Full acquittal?
Minor, state level charges to keep the rioters from burning down the town?

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Re: So, how about that Rittenhouse trial?
« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2021, 07:26:10 PM »
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Re: So, how about that Rittenhouse trial?
« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2021, 07:37:57 PM »
It's like an episode of Arrested Development in real life!
Or an episode of Futurama with the chicken lawyer.

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Re: So, how about that Rittenhouse trial?
« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2021, 07:52:16 PM »
Legal Insurrection's coverage of Day 5 was devastating:
https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/11/rittenhouse-trial-day-5-alleged-victim-gaige-grosskreutz-implodes-admits-had-glock-pointed-at-kyle-when-shot-lied-to-police-about-it/

Since everything's looking positive, based on my faith in the system, I fully expect Rittenhouse will be convicted on all accounts and summarily executed, and then his body will be thrown to the People's Revolution.

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Re: So, how about that Rittenhouse trial?
« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2021, 08:41:45 PM »
De Bruin testimony is a hoot...  Within the first 10 seconds he makes the prosecution look like the scumbags they are.  And it just gets better after that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sW3dn_ui2Vw

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Re: So, how about that Rittenhouse trial?
« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2021, 09:14:10 PM »
De Bruin testimony is a hoot...  Within the first 10 seconds he makes the prosecution look like the scumbags they are.  And it just gets better after that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sW3dn_ui2Vw

Do you object to the adversarial system of justice?

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Re: So, how about that Rittenhouse trial?
« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2021, 09:18:09 PM »
De Bruin testimony is a hoot...  Within the first 10 seconds he makes the prosecution look like the scumbags they are.  And it just gets better after that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sW3dn_ui2Vw

Do you object to the adversarial system of justice?

You obviously failed to understand the point - that the prosecution is grasping at straws - their case has disintegrated when vaporized bicep guy confirmed that Rittenhouse fired in self defense.  De Bruin's cross confirmed that the prosecutors engaged in misconduct.

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Re: So, how about that Rittenhouse trial?
« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2021, 09:20:42 PM »
Legal Insurrection's coverage of Day 5 was devastating:
https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/11/rittenhouse-trial-day-5-alleged-victim-gaige-grosskreutz-implodes-admits-had-glock-pointed-at-kyle-when-shot-lied-to-police-about-it/

Since everything's looking positive, based on my faith in the system, I fully expect Rittenhouse will be convicted on all accounts and summarily executed, and then his body will be thrown to the People's Revolution.

I'm surprised the judge hasn't already declared the need for a directed verdict - but he seems like an actual independent judge rather than a political grandstander, so maybe he's been letting them persecution continue digging their hole...

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Re: So, how about that Rittenhouse trial?
« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2021, 09:40:15 PM »
De Bruin testimony is a hoot...  Within the first 10 seconds he makes the prosecution look like the scumbags they are.  And it just gets better after that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sW3dn_ui2Vw

Do you object to the adversarial system of justice?

You obviously failed to understand the point - that the prosecution is grasping at straws - their case has disintegrated when vaporized bicep guy confirmed that Rittenhouse fired in self defense.  De Bruin's cross confirmed that the prosecutors engaged in misconduct.

How does doing their utmost to make a case for the prosecution make the attorneys in question "scumbags"?

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Re: So, how about that Rittenhouse trial?
« Reply #9 on: November 09, 2021, 10:44:32 PM »
I suspect the jury will find him guilty of the underage possession charge, but that’s it. Since he has no priors I doubt he’ll get much or any prison time. However, I’m not a lawyer in any way, just a rando spouting an opinion.

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Re: So, how about that Rittenhouse trial?
« Reply #10 on: November 09, 2021, 11:07:07 PM »
Last update, the prosecution's witness Grosskreutz (sp?) admitted that he first drew on Rittenhouse, making the self-defense case.
Grosskreutz being a convicted felon for Burglary, not being in legal possession of the handgun he was photographed with at the scene.

Any guesses to outcome?
Full acquittal?
Minor, state level charges to keep the rioters from burning down the town?

Guilty of being a naughty boy. Execution by Antifa throwing frozen milkshakes at him. Riots ensue anyway because capitalism is bad.

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Re: So, how about that Rittenhouse trial?
« Reply #11 on: November 09, 2021, 11:40:28 PM »
I suspect the jury will find him guilty of the underage possession charge, but that’s it. Since he has no priors I doubt he’ll get much or any prison time. However, I’m not a lawyer in any way, just a rando spouting an opinion.
I wouldn't.

Three of the many travesties of the US "justice" system are the overwhelmingly all-encompassing and numerous laws that ensure that everyone breaks some law every day; the way prosecutors, instead of finding the law that most fits the situation, find all the laws that might be vaguely relevant, and then stack them all up like cordwood in the hopes that at least one catches fire; and that being charged, processed, and tried is itself a very serious punishment.

It's bad enough when they include all the different varieties of murder and manslaughter in a list of charges, but it becomes ridiculous when, tacked on at the end of the long list, there's some truly minor technical violation. If you cast someone as this horrible criminal, dragged them through court, and couldn't prove your case, a conviction on a minor offense is just adding insult to injury. I'm not going to give you the satisfaction of punishing them again.

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Re: So, how about that Rittenhouse trial?
« Reply #12 on: November 10, 2021, 07:26:33 AM »
De Bruin testimony is a hoot...  Within the first 10 seconds he makes the prosecution look like the scumbags they are.  And it just gets better after that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sW3dn_ui2Vw

Do you object to the adversarial system of justice?

You obviously failed to understand the point - that the prosecution is grasping at straws - their case has disintegrated when vaporized bicep guy confirmed that Rittenhouse fired in self defense.  De Bruin's cross confirmed that the prosecutors engaged in misconduct.

How does doing their utmost to make a case for the prosecution make the attorneys in question "scumbags"?

Trying to coerce a witness to falsify an official statement by changing the contents is misconduct at the very least, and likely unlawful.  Statements given to police are official statements. When you then testify under oath and give testimony that does not match the statement given to police, you could be guilty of perjury (if you lied on the stand) or false official statement (if you lied on paper).

Here, they tried to get De Bruin to add information to his statement during an interview before the trial and he refused to do so.  During the cross, they were then incompetent enough to ask "we didn't ask you to change your statement, did we?". To which De Bruin replied "Yes, you did."

So, now you've established that you tried to get a witness to change an official statement to aid your prosecution and now you were dumb enough to have them confirm you did it under oath.

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Re: So, how about that Rittenhouse trial?
« Reply #13 on: November 10, 2021, 07:40:58 AM »
I suspect the jury will find him guilty of the underage possession charge, but that’s it. Since he has no priors I doubt he’ll get much or any prison time. However, I’m not a lawyer in any way, just a rando spouting an opinion.

I don't necessarily know.  IANAL also, but it appears that Sec 948.60  (underage possession) only applies if he was in violation of 948.28 which is a short-barrelled weapon.  Given that the weapon he is reported to have been armed with is a DPMS Oracle .223, it's legal at 16" barrel length.

"(c) This section applies only to a person under 18 years of age who possesses or is armed with a rifle or a shotgun if the person is in violation of s. 941.28 or is not in compliance with ss. 29.304 and 29.593. This section applies only to an adult who transfers a firearm to a person under 18 years of age if the person under 18 years of age is not in compliance with ss. 29.304 and 29.593 or to an adult who is in violation of s. 941.28."

The ss 29.304 and .593 are with regard to those under age 16 and to those seeing a hunting license.  Neither of which is applicable.

Unless there is some way to twist the law, this looks like a loophole since they don't issue license to hunt antifa scum.

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Re: So, how about that Rittenhouse trial?
« Reply #14 on: November 10, 2021, 07:51:28 AM »
I suspect the jury will find him guilty of the underage possession charge, but that’s it. Since he has no priors I doubt he’ll get much or any prison time. However, I’m not a lawyer in any way, just a rando spouting an opinion.
I wouldn't.

Three of the many travesties of the US "justice" system are the overwhelmingly all-encompassing and numerous laws that ensure that everyone breaks some law every day; the way prosecutors, instead of finding the law that most fits the situation, find all the laws that might be vaguely relevant, and then stack them all up like cordwood in the hopes that at least one catches fire; and that being charged, processed, and tried is itself a very serious punishment.

It's bad enough when they include all the different varieties of murder and manslaughter in a list of charges, but it becomes ridiculous when, tacked on at the end of the long list, there's some truly minor technical violation. If you cast someone as this horrible criminal, dragged them through court, and couldn't prove your case, a conviction on a minor offense is just adding insult to injury. I'm not going to give you the satisfaction of punishing them again.
You may not, but I think the Jury will. I suspect they will feel a lot of pressure, even if that pressure is self-inflicted, to find Rittenhouse guilty of something. Safety charges are a thing because they often work. The question from the OP as I understood it was along the lines of what does one think will happen, not what should happen.