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Author Topic: So, how about that Rittenhouse trial?  (Read 8324 times)

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Re: So, how about that Rittenhouse trial?
« Reply #30 on: November 10, 2021, 11:00:43 AM »
I suspect the jury will find him guilty of the underage possession charge, but that’s it. Since he has no priors I doubt he’ll get much or any prison time. However, I’m not a lawyer in any way, just a rando spouting an opinion.

I don't necessarily know.  IANAL also, but it appears that Sec 948.60  (underage possession) only applies if he was in violation of 948.28 which is a short-barrelled weapon.  Given that the weapon he is reported to have been armed with is a DPMS Oracle .223, it's legal at 16" barrel length.

"(c) This section applies only to a person under 18 years of age who possesses or is armed with a rifle or a shotgun if the person is in violation of s. 941.28 or is not in compliance with ss. 29.304 and 29.593. This section applies only to an adult who transfers a firearm to a person under 18 years of age if the person under 18 years of age is not in compliance with ss. 29.304 and 29.593 or to an adult who is in violation of s. 941.28."

The ss 29.304 and .593 are with regard to those under age 16 and to those seeing a hunting license.  Neither of which is applicable.

Unless there is some way to twist the law, this looks like a loophole since they don't issue license to hunt antifa scum.

The reason it only applies to the SBRs is because of the way they did hunting laws in WI.  Under 18 is viewed as underage unless it is a rifle/carbine that fits their definition of hunting weapon...which the Panther does.  Then anyone 16+ can open carry it in WI.  The guy who is his attorney now did a youtube presentation and walked through all the stuff around a year or so ago, before he was involved with the case.

Unlike vaporized bicep guy (who admitted he was concealed carrying - with an expired permit), it was pretty clear that Rittenhouse was open carrying.

Unless there are jurors with sympathies for antifa, this should be cut-and-dried, at this point.

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Re: So, how about that Rittenhouse trial?
« Reply #31 on: November 10, 2021, 12:25:41 PM »
From the prosecutor’s current questioning of Rittenhouse it almost sounds like they’re trying to convict him for being an idiot. That’s not against the law. Maybe it should be in an ideal world, but that opens a can of worms as to who decides who are the idiots.

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Re: So, how about that Rittenhouse trial?
« Reply #32 on: November 10, 2021, 12:28:03 PM »
I think many in the Woke media are anticipating an acquittal on most charges. I haven’t been able to find any recent articles on the trial at Salon, Huffpost, Mother Jones or Slate. Is MSNBC the only Woke media covering the trial in any kind of detail? My reading of the other media entities lack of interest is that they want to minimize the exposure of the Rittenhouse trial since they’re expecting disappointment. Or perhaps their journalists just “can’t deal” with a successful use of self-defense.

Well, their "journalists" can't deal with reality in general... The problem with leftists is that want to force others to see the world that they want, rather than the world as it actually is.

*None* of their fucked-up opinions and wishes is anything that any sane person would want, but if they keep publishing it, they push it to become "truth." Most everyone else is, unfortunately, not paying attention when this happens to give them a back-handed bitch slap.  Those in positions of authority who should are typically corrupted to the point that they can't or won't respond in a manner that would show the ridiculousness of the left for every to see, point at and laugh.
So it was the left that pushed the big lie that Trump won the 2020 election? I mean, the actions taken fit everything you laid out, but I'm pretty sure it was the other team following that shitty playbook.

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Re: So, how about that Rittenhouse trial?
« Reply #33 on: November 10, 2021, 12:31:52 PM »
Is it possible that the prosecution is doing such a bad job today that they’re deliberately attempting to get a mistrial declared so that they can have another bite at the apple? It almost sounds like they realize they’re losing, but are trying to force a mistrial so that they can try again. Judge is yelling at prosecution now.

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Re: So, how about that Rittenhouse trial?
« Reply #34 on: November 10, 2021, 01:23:23 PM »
Is it possible that the prosecution is doing such a bad job today that they’re deliberately attempting to get a mistrial declared so that they can have another bite at the apple? It almost sounds like they realize they’re losing, but are trying to force a mistrial so that they can try again. Judge is yelling at prosecution now.
The defense has accused them of such.

I honestly think that may be the plan.

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Re: So, how about that Rittenhouse trial?
« Reply #35 on: November 10, 2021, 01:34:14 PM »
Is it possible that the prosecution is doing such a bad job today that they’re deliberately attempting to get a mistrial declared so that they can have another bite at the apple? It almost sounds like they realize they’re losing, but are trying to force a mistrial so that they can try again. Judge is yelling at prosecution now.
The defense has accused them of such.

I honestly think that may be the plan.

I don't think this judge will let that happen.  Defense likely won't ask for it, and prosecutor already got his ass handed to him for variously trying to take away 5th and 2nd amendments.  The fact that both the judge and Rittenhouse had to ask him whether he meant explode or expand when he referred to hollow points as exploding inside the target...  He's asked a bunch of questions that went nowhere and/or that he didn't already know the answer to.

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I stand corrected - defense is motioning for mistrial with prejudice...

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The prosecution is realizing that they actually have to follow the rules of evidence.  Twitter is alight with the little hamster wheel-powered brains of morons who think the judge is biased defending the Constitution...

This is just a local Kenosha ADA who is a leftist who has gotten away with bad behavior before and finally got called on it.  Guaranteed he's prosecuted people he knew were innocent in the past.  All of his cases should be reviewed.  Now - imagine the level of evil that the feds will employ for the 1/6 cases, given they have leftist activist judges supporting them.
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Re: So, how about that Rittenhouse trial?
« Reply #36 on: November 10, 2021, 10:23:16 PM »
Kyle Rittenhouse is a very useful weathervane.

If you're not willing to acknowledge Kyle is a hero, then you're useless and not worth listening to. Notice the deafening silence from politicians on this very easy to adjudicate issue. They know what the right call is, they're just cowards or evil.

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Re: So, how about that Rittenhouse trial?
« Reply #37 on: November 10, 2021, 10:40:35 PM »
They know what the right call is, they're just cowards or evil.

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Re: So, how about that Rittenhouse trial?
« Reply #38 on: November 11, 2021, 12:00:58 AM »
That prosecutor was on the receiving end of a benchslap.

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Re: So, how about that Rittenhouse trial?
« Reply #39 on: November 11, 2021, 01:49:06 AM »
Greetings!

Damn right, Kyle Rittenhouse is a hero, and is an outstanding young man that was exercising his 2nd Amendment rights and defending himself against fucking scum criminals.

The politicians against him should fucking be crushed.

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Re: So, how about that Rittenhouse trial?
« Reply #40 on: November 11, 2021, 07:59:42 AM »
"Joseph Rosenbaum died as he had lived, trying to touch an unwilling minor." --Tucker Carlson

I almost spit out my drink when I heard that one. LOL.

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Re: So, how about that Rittenhouse trial?
« Reply #41 on: November 11, 2021, 08:31:38 AM »
From a European perspective it's such a bizarre case - A kid running around with military grade weaponry.

Thing is, if I have it right. He really shouldn't have been there (after curfew) in the first place and armed with an illegal firearm.

That said... it somewhat transcends into self-defense after that. Rosenbaum was clearly 'unhinged' and although while technically unarmed his intent was to harm Ritterhouse. Did Ritterhouse issue a warning? Did he go beyond a 'level of threat'.

Beyond that, Ritterhouse acted in self-defense (technically). Hit in the head with a skateboard and someone drew a gun at him.

However, it brings me back to the original point. Why was he there in the first place, under age and armed illegally?

Now, if he was defending his home against intruders, then that would be a whole different story.
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Re: So, how about that Rittenhouse trial?
« Reply #42 on: November 11, 2021, 09:05:04 AM »
From a European perspective it's such a bizarre case - A kid running around with military grade weaponry.

Thing is, if I have it right. He really shouldn't have been there (after curfew) in the first place and armed with an illegal firearm.

That said... it somewhat transcends into self-defense after that. Rosenbaum was clearly 'unhinged' and although while technically unarmed his intent was to harm Ritterhouse. Did Ritterhouse issue a warning? Did he go beyond a 'level of threat'.

Beyond that, Ritterhouse acted in self-defense (technically). Hit in the head with a skateboard and someone drew a gun at him.

However, it brings me back to the original point. Why was he there in the first place, under age and armed illegally?

Now, if he was defending his home against intruders, then that would be a whole different story.
First off, an AR-15 is not a 'military grade' weapon. It is chambered in a common rifle caliber, but lacks select-fire options. The platform is ridiculously common, too.

Two: there are questions about how 'illegal' his possession was. The statute in question seems to waive any restriction on long guns, and there have been issues raised about the statute's constitutionality (because of how vague and weird it is).

Three: As I've stated earlier in the thread, I do fault Rittenhouse for being foolish. Don't go to stupid places. But, by his own testimony (and others), he had spent a great deal of time in Kenosha. He was known there. He didn't want it to be burned down by the possibly state-supported rioters*. The media (which you should not trust, and if you do just fucking kill yourself now, you artichoke) has tried to play this as 'he drove across the state to kill people!' -- except he lived just across the state line. And unlike European subjects, the U.S. does not nominally have internal controls on travel.

* There are a couple things that jump out at me from the trial. One was how the DA's office kiboshed a search warrant on Grosskreutz's phone. Another was ADA Binger's strange comments about how people were being told to stay off the streets and in their homes. By who? Were the rioters making these demands? By what authority?

I cannot help but wonder if Grosskreutz's phone had texts and calls to someone in the Kenosha or even Wisconsin state government. Wouldn't THAT have been a hell of a can of worms?

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Re: So, how about that Rittenhouse trial?
« Reply #43 on: November 11, 2021, 11:31:30 AM »
Greetings!

Excellent, Ghostmaker!

Yeah, AR-15 Rifles are not "Military Grade" weapons, and they are certainly very legal to own.

Maybe there's a clause for under 18 year olds, but that would seem strange and foreign to me as well. People--including adolescents--have been hunting and shooting forever. I would think even if some cock-sucking Liberal politician got something like that passed in Wisconsin, it will be shoved aside and ignored.

It is so stupid. Everyone here in my state is armed to the teeth. Wisconsin needs to get their shit together on the 2nd Amendment. In my state, it is a prominent part of the STATE CONSTITUTION that everyone can be armed, with almost whatever they want. Furthermore, any citizen here can open carry, or concealed carry, and there's no BS you have to deal with, either.

All them rioting fuckers would have been wasted here in a blink, by a whole bunch of people.

BLM and ANTIFA *Thought* about trying their rioting BS up in Couer de Lane, and well, over 700 citizens showed up, along with the sheriffs at their sides, locked and loaded, on every street corner in the city. BLM and ANTIFA cried and went back across the border to Spokane. ;D

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Re: So, how about that Rittenhouse trial?
« Reply #44 on: November 11, 2021, 12:02:48 PM »
Kyle Rittenhouse is a very useful weathervane.

If you're not willing to acknowledge Kyle is a hero, then you're useless and not worth listening to. Notice the deafening silence from politicians on this very easy to adjudicate issue. They know what the right call is, they're just cowards or evil.

That boy is not only a hero, but he is also INNOCENT.  Fuck just give him medals already.