Should the GREAT RESET be a simple amicable divorce?

[jhkim]

Anyone who thinks "the pendulum will just swing back" is blind to the fact that this isnt the same country that it was in the 70s, 80s, or 90s. We arent the same nation in regards to demography, religiosity, and cannot even agree on basic moral principals.

There has always been a *majority* -- but always with important differences. In terms of race, the country was 79% white when it was founded, and it's around 72% white today. Are you trying to claim that 79% is "unified" but 72% is "not unified"? That seems like an overly convenient dividing line. You'll pardon me as not thinking that being unified white is one of the things that makes this country great.

Well, yes, Jhkim, we have been demographically unified from the beginning, being a white European nation, embracing Western Civilization. We are still, as you point out, still a majority White European nation.

So what's your point about the country today? deathknight4044 claimed that we were no longer the same nation, no longer unified -- but now you're saying that we *are* still unified? It sounds like you're agreeing on the tone of deathknight4044, but not the substance of what he's saying. Is it an existential problem that we went from 79% white (originally) to 72% white (now)? Does that make us no longer the same nation, as he says?

Also, being largely racially unified in demographics is certainly *not* the same as being politically unified. In politics, we have always had passionate factions and groups.

As for being founded by rebels, well, yes. Our founding fathers were quite suspicious of an overreaching, all-powerful, central government. Which is why Jefferson maintained that every now and then, the Tree of Liberty must be watered with the blood of Patriots, so as to forever remind would-be tyrants and corrupt elites that here in America, an armed populace would always stand ready to put an end to their ambitions of tyranny and absolute authority.

That's the America I would agree with - the America that encompasses passionate differences and disagreements. When a central authority demand all Americans unify and conform -- that's when Americans stand up and fight back. Because our values are precisely about *freedom* from forced conformity.

deathknight4044 claims that it's a problem and that Americans should all be unified -- the same demographic and the same religion. But this is a country where you don't have to follow the state religion. This is country where you don't have to look exactly like your neighbor, or act exactly like your neighbor. What unifies us isn't race or religion -- but rather the principles of freedom and democracy enshrined in our Constitution.

[Mercurius]

Back then, Natives were not viewed as *citizens*--but as alien, hostile, Pagan savages. Within American society, Americans were generally quite united in purpose in how the Native tribes must be dealt with.

And there SHARK reveals his true longing--to get back to a white America that is unified in declaring outside groups as the other and ruthlessly oppressing or destroying them. Because that's what he sees as the American way. Disgusting.

It is rather disturbing. I bet he thinks Jesus was a white dude.

[moonsweeper]

That's the America I would agree with - the America that encompasses passionate differences and disagreements. When a central authority demand all Americans unify and conform -- that's when Americans stand up and fight back. Because our values are precisely about *freedom* from forced conformity.

For once you actually say something truthful.

Problem is, I do not think you really understand what that truth actually means.

[Mistwell]

The nation will be minority white in about 15 years or so.

[Pat]

That's the America I would agree with - the America that encompasses passionate differences and disagreements. When a central authority demand all Americans unify and conform -- that's when Americans stand up and fight back. Because our values are precisely about *freedom* from forced conformity.

Are you a time traveler? Because I'm pretty sure nobody alive remembers that America.

[jhkim]

That's the America I would agree with - the America that encompasses passionate differences and disagreements. When a central authority demand all Americans unify and conform -- that's when Americans stand up and fight back. Because our values are precisely about *freedom* from forced conformity.

For once you actually say something truthful.

Problem is, I do not think you really understand what that truth actually means.

It's possible we disagree when we get down to details. I'd be happy to discuss it in more detail. That's part of engaging in disagreement. To hyper-partisan people, the ideas of the other side are *poison*. Simply talking to the other side or reading their ideas is wrong and dangerous, because it might infect you. I think that talking to and understanding the other side is part of being informed.

The nation will be minority white in about 15 years or so.

I've seen that quoted, but that's based on a definition that people who are of European-Spanish descent are not white, while others like European-Italian or European-Irish descent are white. That's a broken definition that carries across both liberal and conservative sources.

[Pat]

I've seen that quoted, but that's based on a definition that people who are of European-Spanish descent are not white, while others like European-Italian or European-Irish descent are white. That's a broken definition that carries across both liberal and conservative sources.

It appears on a lot of paperwork, for something that isn't supposed to exist.

[jhkim]

That's the America I would agree with - the America that encompasses passionate differences and disagreements. When a central authority demand all Americans unify and conform -- that's when Americans stand up and fight back. Because our values are precisely about *freedom* from forced conformity.

Are you a time traveler? Because I'm pretty sure nobody alive remembers that America.

Eh. It's an ideal, and the reality is always relative to the ideal. Americans have never been free from conformity, but it's always been a strong point of our system. I don't deny that there is lots of conformity in today's world - but there is also plenty of disagreement. I would prefer that the disagreement and protests be non-violent, but we can't always get what we want. The last period with widespread protest and non-conformism was back in the 1960s, which was before my time but still in living memory today.

I've seen that quoted, but that's based on a definition that people who are of European-Spanish descent are not white, while others like European-Italian or European-Irish descent are white. That's a broken definition that carries across both liberal and conservative sources.

It appears on a lot of paperwork, for something that isn't supposed to exist.

I'm not saying it doesn't exist. I'm saying that it's dumb and inconsistent. More accurate paperwork reflects that nationality and ethnicity are different than race.

[Pat]

I'm not saying it doesn't exist. I'm saying that it's dumb and inconsistent. More accurate paperwork reflects that nationality and ethnicity are different than race.

So you're arguing that races exist?

[Shasarak]

Back then, Natives were not viewed as *citizens*--but as alien, hostile, Pagan savages. Within American society, Americans were generally quite united in purpose in how the Native tribes must be dealt with.

And there SHARK reveals his true longing--to get back to a white America that is unified in declaring outside groups as the other and ruthlessly oppressing or destroying them. Because that's what he sees as the American way. Disgusting.

It is rather disturbing. I bet he thinks Jesus was a white dude.

[HappyDaze]

Back then, Natives were not viewed as *citizens*--but as alien, hostile, Pagan savages. Within American society, Americans were generally quite united in purpose in how the Native tribes must be dealt with.

And there SHARK reveals his true longing--to get back to a white America that is unified in declaring outside groups as the other and ruthlessly oppressing or destroying them. Because that's what he sees as the American way. Disgusting.

It is rather disturbing. I bet he thinks Jesus was a white dude.

Jesus was most definitely Chinese...just like Dave Chappelle.

[SHARK]

Back then, Natives were not viewed as *citizens*--but as alien, hostile, Pagan savages. Within American society, Americans were generally quite united in purpose in how the Native tribes must be dealt with.

And there SHARK reveals his true longing--to get back to a white America that is unified in declaring outside groups as the other and ruthlessly oppressing or destroying them. Because that's what he sees as the American way. Disgusting.

Greetings!

Really, HappyDaze? Are you such a disingenuous, petty fucking moron?

I certainly did not "reveal my true longing" jackass, I simply described how much of America viewed the Native, tribal populations at the time of the Westward Expansion period in America, from the 1700's through the 19th century. That is a historical fact. My describing such and relating that historical fact does not make me "disgusting" in any way, let alone "reveal" anything. It figures though that a Leftist, jello-filled moron like you would hate historical facts and truth and seek to demonize me for simply discussing historical facts.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

[SHARK]

Back then, Natives were not viewed as *citizens*--but as alien, hostile, Pagan savages. Within American society, Americans were generally quite united in purpose in how the Native tribes must be dealt with.

And there SHARK reveals his true longing--to get back to a white America that is unified in declaring outside groups as the other and ruthlessly oppressing or destroying them. Because that's what he sees as the American way. Disgusting.

It is rather disturbing. I bet he thinks Jesus was a white dude.

Greetings!

*Sigh* Mercurius, historically, Jesus was Semetic. I suppose that in your mind though, we should all just realize that BLACK JESUS IS THE TRUTH!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

[HappyDaze]

Back then, Natives were not viewed as *citizens*--but as alien, hostile, Pagan savages. Within American society, Americans were generally quite united in purpose in how the Native tribes must be dealt with.

And there SHARK reveals his true longing--to get back to a white America that is unified in declaring outside groups as the other and ruthlessly oppressing or destroying them. Because that's what he sees as the American way. Disgusting.

Greetings!

Really, HappyDaze? Are you such a disingenuous, petty fucking moron?

I certainly did not "reveal my true longing" jackass, I simply described how much of America viewed the Native, tribal populations at the time of the Westward Expansion period in America, from the 1700's through the 19th century. That is a historical fact. My describing such and relating that historical fact does not make me "disgusting" in any way, let alone "reveal" anything. It figures though that a Leftist, jello-filled moron like you would hate historical facts and truth and seek to demonize me for simply discussing historical facts.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

SHARK wants to go back to when the white, Christian Americans were united in exterminating the natives, enslaving the blacks, persecuting the gays, and pretty much doing those parts of our history that we now accept as being shameful. But as long as he can claim everyone else is a Marxist, he can try to pretend to be the good guy and the fools here will support his extremism.

[SHARK]

It's funny, on the extreme liberal side you have people calling for revolution; while on the extreme conservative side you have a call for civil war. These approaches both stem from dissatisfaction with the other side, but also reflect the essential instincts of their proponents: the liberal tendency to embrace the weird and overthrow traditional powers, and the conservative desire for clear boundaries and the expelling of the "progressive".

Greetings!

You are very welcome, Deathknight! We have a good crew of people here, that embrace freedom of speech. Many are also Conservative, as well as being patriotic Americans. We also have some outstanding people from foreign places, whether from Britain, Australia, Canada, Spain, Mexico, and more, from all over the world. Naturally, we also have some wormy, Leftist Marxist members here as well, which makes our little discussions here often interesting for sure.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK


When we got to drag queen story hour and James Youngers abusive parent getting a green light from the state to transition, or see the tearing down of monuments dedicated to the nation's heroes and a complete disgust for our history, or we witness racial self hatred taught in schools and humiliation rituals thrust on to our children, its clear there is no living with these people in any way besides contempt and desperate power grabs every few years to secure our way of life. And even then theyll just import millions of more people to get their way.


Anyone who thinks "the pendulum will just swing back" is blind to the fact that this isnt the same country that it was in the 70s, 80s, or 90s. We arent the same nation in regards to demography, religiosity, and cannot even agree on basic moral principals. There won't be some karma like force resetting things back to what they once were socially. The country has been slowly declining for decades (single motherhood, inflation, suicide, mental illness) and now we see physical manifestations of the demoralization that has infected a huge portion of the population.


It isnt just exclusive to the united states either. Most of the west will be facing a similar fall from grace.

Greetings!

Very well said, Deathknight4044!

By the way--welcome to the RPGsite!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Thanks bro. I'm glad I found the site. I've come across biased moderation in the past on sites like giant in the playground, or sites that have banned a wide range of topics for the sake of civility over at places like dragonsfoot, so this place is a breath of fresh air.