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« Reply #30 on: December 16, 2020, 10:45:08 am »
The simplest solution is decentralizing power. The talk about secession, from the Tea Party and Texas a decade ago, to the newer talk about California, is just an extreme example. All we need is more local governments and states simply refusing to comply with the statutes and officials of larger governmental bodies, for instance the various sheriffs refusing to comply with new gun laws in California. Even the left supports it when convenient, for instance the spread of pot legalization despite it still being illegal under federal law, or the sanctuary cities where local officials are refusing to support ICE. This is called nullification, and has a long and storied history in the country, for instance all the Northern states that ignored the Fugitive Slave Act before the Civil War.

If we can just extend the concept and stop trying impose our favorite rules across the whole country, then we magically have a solution to all the hot button issues, like abortion, gun rights, healthcare, and even, to some degree, immigration.

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« Reply #31 on: December 16, 2020, 05:14:07 pm »
The simplest solution is decentralizing power. The talk about secession, from the Tea Party and Texas a decade ago, to the newer talk about California, is just an extreme example. All we need is more local governments and states simply refusing to comply with the statutes and officials of larger governmental bodies, for instance the various sheriffs refusing to comply with new gun laws in California. Even the left supports it when convenient, for instance the spread of pot legalization despite it still being illegal under federal law, or the sanctuary cities where local officials are refusing to support ICE. This is called nullification, and has a long and storied history in the country, for instance all the Northern states that ignored the Fugitive Slave Act before the Civil War.

If we can just extend the concept and stop trying impose our favorite rules across the whole country, then we magically have a solution to all the hot button issues, like abortion, gun rights, healthcare, and even, to some degree, immigration.
Decentralization would be nice. Tip O'Neill said it best: all politics are local.

Nullification might be the way to go, but don't expect Leviathan to go quietly.

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« Reply #32 on: December 16, 2020, 08:05:53 pm »
It's funny, on the extreme liberal side you have people calling for revolution; while on the extreme conservative side you have a call for civil war. These approaches both stem from dissatisfaction with the other side, but also reflect the essential instincts of their proponents: the liberal tendency to embrace the weird and overthrow traditional powers, and the conservative desire for clear boundaries and the expelling of the "progressive".

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« Reply #33 on: December 16, 2020, 10:47:21 pm »
It's funny, on the extreme liberal side you have people calling for revolution; while on the extreme conservative side you have a call for civil war. These approaches both stem from dissatisfaction with the other side, but also reflect the essential instincts of their proponents: the liberal tendency to embrace the weird and overthrow traditional powers, and the conservative desire for clear boundaries and the expelling of the "progressive".


When we got to drag queen story hour and James Youngers abusive parent getting a green light from the state to transition, or see the tearing down of monuments dedicated to the nation's heroes and a complete disgust for our history, or we witness racial self hatred taught in schools and humiliation rituals thrust on to our children, its clear there is no living with these people in any way besides contempt and desperate power grabs every few years to secure our way of life. And even then theyll just import millions of more people to get their way.


Anyone who thinks "the pendulum will just swing back" is blind to the fact that this isnt the same country that it was in the 70s, 80s, or 90s. We arent the same nation in regards to demography, religiosity, and cannot even agree on basic moral principals. There won't be some karma like force resetting things back to what they once were socially. The country has been slowly declining for decades (single motherhood, inflation, suicide, mental illness) and now we see physical manifestations of the demoralization that has infected a huge portion of the population.


It isnt just exclusive to the united states either. Most of the west will be facing a similar fall from grace.

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« Reply #34 on: December 16, 2020, 11:24:52 pm »
It's funny, on the extreme liberal side you have people calling for revolution; while on the extreme conservative side you have a call for civil war. These approaches both stem from dissatisfaction with the other side, but also reflect the essential instincts of their proponents: the liberal tendency to embrace the weird and overthrow traditional powers, and the conservative desire for clear boundaries and the expelling of the "progressive".


When we got to drag queen story hour and James Youngers abusive parent getting a green light from the state to transition, or see the tearing down of monuments dedicated to the nation's heroes and a complete disgust for our history, or we witness racial self hatred taught in schools and humiliation rituals thrust on to our children, its clear there is no living with these people in any way besides contempt and desperate power grabs every few years to secure our way of life. And even then theyll just import millions of more people to get their way.


Anyone who thinks "the pendulum will just swing back" is blind to the fact that this isnt the same country that it was in the 70s, 80s, or 90s. We arent the same nation in regards to demography, religiosity, and cannot even agree on basic moral principals. There won't be some karma like force resetting things back to what they once were socially. The country has been slowly declining for decades (single motherhood, inflation, suicide, mental illness) and now we see physical manifestations of the demoralization that has infected a huge portion of the population.


It isnt just exclusive to the united states either. Most of the west will be facing a similar fall from grace.

Greetings!

Very well said, Deathknight4044!

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« Reply #35 on: December 17, 2020, 12:58:46 am »
It's funny, on the extreme liberal side you have people calling for revolution; while on the extreme conservative side you have a call for civil war. These approaches both stem from dissatisfaction with the other side, but also reflect the essential instincts of their proponents: the liberal tendency to embrace the weird and overthrow traditional powers, and the conservative desire for clear boundaries and the expelling of the "progressive".


When we got to drag queen story hour and James Youngers abusive parent getting a green light from the state to transition, or see the tearing down of monuments dedicated to the nation's heroes and a complete disgust for our history, or we witness racial self hatred taught in schools and humiliation rituals thrust on to our children, its clear there is no living with these people in any way besides contempt and desperate power grabs every few years to secure our way of life. And even then theyll just import millions of more people to get their way.


Anyone who thinks "the pendulum will just swing back" is blind to the fact that this isnt the same country that it was in the 70s, 80s, or 90s. We arent the same nation in regards to demography, religiosity, and cannot even agree on basic moral principals. There won't be some karma like force resetting things back to what they once were socially. The country has been slowly declining for decades (single motherhood, inflation, suicide, mental illness) and now we see physical manifestations of the demoralization that has infected a huge portion of the population.


It isnt just exclusive to the united states either. Most of the west will be facing a similar fall from grace.

Greetings!

Very well said, Deathknight4044!

By the way--welcome to the RPGsite!

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Thanks bro. I'm glad I found the site. I've come across biased moderation in the past on sites like giant in the playground, or sites that have banned a wide range of topics for the sake of civility over at places like dragonsfoot, so this place is a breath of fresh air.

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Re: Should the GREAT RESET be a simple amicable divorce?
« Reply #36 on: December 17, 2020, 08:04:18 pm »
Anyone who thinks "the pendulum will just swing back" is blind to the fact that this isnt the same country that it was in the 70s, 80s, or 90s. We arent the same nation in regards to demography, religiosity, and cannot even agree on basic moral principals. There won't be some karma like force resetting things back to what they once were socially. The country has been slowly declining for decades (single motherhood, inflation, suicide, mental illness) and now we see physical manifestations of the demoralization that has infected a huge portion of the population.

The nation has never been unified in demographics, religion, or even basic moral principles. We've had many periods of sharply different values. Back in the 1950s and 1960s, there was a sharp disagreement over racial segregation and other policies. I'd argue that the differences were sharper, and certainly the violence was much greater back then -- looking at the record of bombings, shootings, and other conflict. Of course, the differences were even greater during the Civil War - and we stayed united through that.

I certainly hope we don't go back to the levels of armed conflict we saw in the 1960s, but even if we do, it's far from the biggest divide the country has seen.

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« Reply #37 on: December 17, 2020, 08:22:22 pm »
Anyone who thinks "the pendulum will just swing back" is blind to the fact that this isnt the same country that it was in the 70s, 80s, or 90s. We arent the same nation in regards to demography, religiosity, and cannot even agree on basic moral principals. There won't be some karma like force resetting things back to what they once were socially. The country has been slowly declining for decades (single motherhood, inflation, suicide, mental illness) and now we see physical manifestations of the demoralization that has infected a huge portion of the population.

The nation has never been unified in demographics, religion, or even basic moral principles. We've had many periods of sharply different values. Back in the 1950s and 1960s, there was a sharp disagreement over racial segregation and other policies. I'd argue that the differences were sharper, and certainly the violence was much greater back then -- looking at the record of bombings, shootings, and other conflict. Of course, the differences were even greater during the Civil War - and we stayed united through that.

I certainly hope we don't go back to the levels of armed conflict we saw in the 1960s, but even if we do, it's far from the biggest divide the country has seen.

Greetings!

Wait, wait there, Jhkim. "The nation has never been unified in demographics, religion, or basic moral principle."?

That is entirely wrong, Jhkim. We have always been a white European majority in demographics, and we have established ourselves as a firm member and champion of Western Civilization. Our religion has also been a vast majority CHRISTIAN. And, we have indeed held onto a body of generally accepted and unifying moral principles. Everyone from George Washington, John Locke, Edmund Burke, Alexis De Toqueville, Lafeyette, Abraham Lincoln, to Franklin D. Roosevelt, Jack Kennedy, to Ronald Reagan and more all stand in contradiction to your belief. Americans have always had a common demographic, a common religion, and unified moral principles. Such commonality and unity has allowed this great nation to prosper and overcome challenges and problems throughout the centuries of our successful and sacred Republic.

Semper Fidelis,

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« Reply #38 on: December 17, 2020, 11:55:18 pm »
Anyone who thinks "the pendulum will just swing back" is blind to the fact that this isnt the same country that it was in the 70s, 80s, or 90s. We arent the same nation in regards to demography, religiosity, and cannot even agree on basic moral principals. There won't be some karma like force resetting things back to what they once were socially. The country has been slowly declining for decades (single motherhood, inflation, suicide, mental illness) and now we see physical manifestations of the demoralization that has infected a huge portion of the population.

The nation has never been unified in demographics, religion, or even basic moral principles. We've had many periods of sharply different values. Back in the 1950s and 1960s, there was a sharp disagreement over racial segregation and other policies. I'd argue that the differences were sharper, and certainly the violence was much greater back then -- looking at the record of bombings, shootings, and other conflict. Of course, the differences were even greater during the Civil War - and we stayed united through that.

I certainly hope we don't go back to the levels of armed conflict we saw in the 1960s, but even if we do, it's far from the biggest divide the country has seen.

Greetings!

Wait, wait there, Jhkim. "The nation has never been unified in demographics, religion, or basic moral principle."?

That is entirely wrong, Jhkim. We have always been a white European majority in demographics, and we have established ourselves as a firm member and champion of Western Civilization. Our religion has also been a vast majority CHRISTIAN. And, we have indeed held onto a body of generally accepted and unifying moral principles. Everyone from George Washington, John Locke, Edmund Burke, Alexis De Toqueville, Lafeyette, Abraham Lincoln, to Franklin D. Roosevelt, Jack Kennedy, to Ronald Reagan and more all stand in contradiction to your belief. Americans have always had a common demographic, a common religion, and unified moral principles. Such commonality and unity has allowed this great nation to prosper and overcome challenges and problems throughout the centuries of our successful and sacred Republic.

Semper Fidelis,

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That's RIGHT @SHARK! What's more, the DIS-INTEGRATION of the left - who started this mess - is becoming apparent. They, the PARTY OF PEACE AND PROGRESS, who PREACHED: Tolerance, understanding, and patience, is NOW engaged in an all out WAR OF ATTRITION against ANYONE who does not wish to BOW AND PRAY FOR FORGIVENESS from them! Black, white, latino, asian - IT DOESN'T MATTER!  This is the end game and they have shown themselves the MOST EVIL AND TYRRANICAL FUCKS in 21st Century HISTORY! These are those who CHEERED during 9/11 - these are those who PROTECT PEDOPHILES and want to MURDER ANY WHO DO NOT THINK, SPEAK, OR ACT like them.
Unfortunately, Mr. Kim is obviously one of them.
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« Reply #39 on: December 18, 2020, 02:55:51 am »
"The nation has never been unified in demographics, religion, or basic moral principle."?

That is entirely wrong, Jhkim. We have always been a white European majority in demographics, and we have established ourselves as a firm member and champion of Western Civilization. Our religion has also been a vast majority CHRISTIAN. And, we have indeed held onto a body of generally accepted and unifying moral principles. Everyone from George Washington, John Locke, Edmund Burke, Alexis De Toqueville, Lafeyette, Abraham Lincoln, to Franklin D. Roosevelt, Jack Kennedy, to Ronald Reagan and more all stand in contradiction to your belief. Americans have always had a common demographic, a common religion, and unified moral principles. Such commonality and unity has allowed this great nation to prosper and overcome challenges and problems throughout the centuries of our successful and sacred Republic.

There has always been a *majority* -- but always with important differences. In terms of race, the country was 79% white when it was founded, and it's around 72% white today. Are you trying to claim that 79% is "unified" but 72% is "not unified"? That seems like an overly convenient dividing line. You'll pardon me as not thinking that being unified white is one of the things that makes this country great.

In terms of religion, the country has always been majority Christian -- but ranging from Puritans to Quakers to Catholics to Deists -- and different Christian sects are anything but unified. It's precisely because fighting between different Christians was so intense, that one of the founding principles of the country was Freedom of Religion, and the separation of Church and State. Religious differences are something this country has embraced since the start.

In terms of morals, you can list out who you think of as your favorite moral leaders. But again, the country has included a wider range than the few you name. We have had many diametrically opposed figures in history -- like Andrew Jackson and Geronimo; or Abraham Lincoln and Jefferson Davis; or Susan B. Anthony and William Taft; or J. Edgar Hoover and Martin Luther King Jr.

America was founded by contentious rebels -- and one of their principles was that Americans can and should stand against the government when the government is wrong. Over and over, great Americans have stood against the government.

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« Reply #40 on: December 18, 2020, 03:07:13 am »
Anyone who thinks "the pendulum will just swing back" is blind to the fact that this isnt the same country that it was in the 70s, 80s, or 90s. We arent the same nation in regards to demography, religiosity, and cannot even agree on basic moral principals. There won't be some karma like force resetting things back to what they once were socially. The country has been slowly declining for decades (single motherhood, inflation, suicide, mental illness) and now we see physical manifestations of the demoralization that has infected a huge portion of the population.

The nation has never been unified in demographics, religion, or even basic moral principles. We've had many periods of sharply different values. Back in the 1950s and 1960s, there was a sharp disagreement over racial segregation and other policies. I'd argue that the differences were sharper, and certainly the violence was much greater back then -- looking at the record of bombings, shootings, and other conflict. Of course, the differences were even greater during the Civil War - and we stayed united through that.

I certainly hope we don't go back to the levels of armed conflict we saw in the 1960s, but even if we do, it's far from the biggest divide the country has seen.


Even as recently as 1990 around half of Americans had ancestry of the founding stock. Studies show that homogeneous societies have more public participation, less crime, civil war, and more stability*. And as less people than ever are tethered to the nations history via ancestry we also see national pride hit an all time low** When you also read the naturalization act of 1790 it's clear the country was meant to be a nation state enshrined to a certain group of people. This was more or less maintained until the 1965 Hart Celler Act which opened the floodgates, despite politicians assuring the people we would not seriously alter demographics with uncontrollable mass migration. 60 years later they will openly tell you that your grandkids will be only speaking Spanish and a "reconquista" of the country is underway.

My point is this isnt the same nation that it was in the 60s or the 70s or 80s or 90s. We are more divided than we've ever been and have increasingly less in common with one another. As this continues we will creep closer to Brazil status, and with continued mass migration it will effectivley stamp out any love or sentimentality towards the country that is left.

This isnt some anti american tirade either I love my country, but I despise what's what's being done to it.


*http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs10464-013-9608

**https://news.gallup.com/poll/312644/national-pride-falls-record-low.aspx


Edit: The portion is non hispanic white americans is also 62%, not 72%. For comparison America was 89% White in 1950
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« Reply #41 on: December 18, 2020, 03:26:21 am »
"The nation has never been unified in demographics, religion, or basic moral principle."?

That is entirely wrong, Jhkim. We have always been a white European majority in demographics, and we have established ourselves as a firm member and champion of Western Civilization. Our religion has also been a vast majority CHRISTIAN. And, we have indeed held onto a body of generally accepted and unifying moral principles. Everyone from George Washington, John Locke, Edmund Burke, Alexis De Toqueville, Lafeyette, Abraham Lincoln, to Franklin D. Roosevelt, Jack Kennedy, to Ronald Reagan and more all stand in contradiction to your belief. Americans have always had a common demographic, a common religion, and unified moral principles. Such commonality and unity has allowed this great nation to prosper and overcome challenges and problems throughout the centuries of our successful and sacred Republic.

There has always been a *majority* -- but always with important differences. In terms of race, the country was 79% white when it was founded, and it's around 72% white today. Are you trying to claim that 79% is "unified" but 72% is "not unified"? That seems like an overly convenient dividing line. You'll pardon me as not thinking that being unified white is one of the things that makes this country great.

In terms of religion, the country has always been majority Christian -- but ranging from Puritans to Quakers to Catholics to Deists -- and different Christian sects are anything but unified. It's precisely because fighting between different Christians was so intense, that one of the founding principles of the country was Freedom of Religion, and the separation of Church and State. Religious differences are something this country has embraced since the start.

In terms of morals, you can list out who you think of as your favorite moral leaders. But again, the country has included a wider range than the few you name. We have had many diametrically opposed figures in history -- like Andrew Jackson and Geronimo; or Abraham Lincoln and Jefferson Davis; or Susan B. Anthony and William Taft; or J. Edgar Hoover and Martin Luther King Jr.

America was founded by contentious rebels -- and one of their principles was that Americans can and should stand against the government when the government is wrong. Over and over, great Americans have stood against the government.

In regards to race Whites have been 80% or more throughout the 1800s and through the 1980s. In 1960 for example we were 88% White. In 2020 under 50% of children under 18 are White. This isn't the same group of people compromising the nation.

In regards to religion id agree in part, but as much as I hate the term judeo Christian values it's an accurate description here. There was some degree of cohesion through basic moral tenants. Now half the country paradoxically praises islam while mocking Christian's almost reflexively. I'm not convicned a nation that was once 90% some form of Christian was less socially cohesive than today, where that number drops down to about 70%, and its vacuum filled with other religions and atheism.

In terms of morals.... I mean in San Francisco they're removing Lincolns name from a highschool because he didnt care about black lives enough. I don't think I can be convinced that there isnt a massive moral divide in this country that is more dire than decades past. We cant even agree that a man is male.

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« Reply #42 on: December 18, 2020, 03:44:36 am »
"The nation has never been unified in demographics, religion, or basic moral principle."?

That is entirely wrong, Jhkim. We have always been a white European majority in demographics, and we have established ourselves as a firm member and champion of Western Civilization. Our religion has also been a vast majority CHRISTIAN. And, we have indeed held onto a body of generally accepted and unifying moral principles. Everyone from George Washington, John Locke, Edmund Burke, Alexis De Toqueville, Lafeyette, Abraham Lincoln, to Franklin D. Roosevelt, Jack Kennedy, to Ronald Reagan and more all stand in contradiction to your belief. Americans have always had a common demographic, a common religion, and unified moral principles. Such commonality and unity has allowed this great nation to prosper and overcome challenges and problems throughout the centuries of our successful and sacred Republic.

There has always been a *majority* -- but always with important differences. In terms of race, the country was 79% white when it was founded, and it's around 72% white today. Are you trying to claim that 79% is "unified" but 72% is "not unified"? That seems like an overly convenient dividing line. You'll pardon me as not thinking that being unified white is one of the things that makes this country great.

In terms of religion, the country has always been majority Christian -- but ranging from Puritans to Quakers to Catholics to Deists -- and different Christian sects are anything but unified. It's precisely because fighting between different Christians was so intense, that one of the founding principles of the country was Freedom of Religion, and the separation of Church and State. Religious differences are something this country has embraced since the start.

In terms of morals, you can list out who you think of as your favorite moral leaders. But again, the country has included a wider range than the few you name. We have had many diametrically opposed figures in history -- like Andrew Jackson and Geronimo; or Abraham Lincoln and Jefferson Davis; or Susan B. Anthony and William Taft; or J. Edgar Hoover and Martin Luther King Jr.

America was founded by contentious rebels -- and one of their principles was that Americans can and should stand against the government when the government is wrong. Over and over, great Americans have stood against the government.

Greetings!

Well, yes, Jhkim, we have been demographically unified from the beginning, being a white European nation, embracing Western Civilization. We are still, as you point out, still a majority White European nation. Also, being largely racially unified in demographics is certainly *not* the same as being politically unified. In politics, we have always had passionate factions and groups. Religiously, yeah, we were founded as a Christian nation, and remain so, even while embracing a variety of flavours of Christianity. Along the way, we have welcomed other, non-Christian religions, such as Buddhists, Hindus, and some Muslims as well. Still though, we remain a Christian nation. Like my friend Amit, a Hindu from India explained to me, yes, he is Hindu, and is grateful that America, a Christian nation, has welcomed him and his family here. He also recognizes that it is important as a non-Christian, to be courteous and to not offend the Christian majority. As far as common moral values, while there have been points of difference, there has been a majority embracement of a common set of cultural moral values. A significant implication of Martin Luther King, for example, is that King appealed to our ancient heritage and our ancient values, instilled within the Constitution and the Scriptures, which most Americans agreed upon. And yes, certainly, there have been some points of contention, as I mentioned. Geronimo was going to lose, one way or the other, because Americans were determined to conquer the whole land, and refused to acknowledge independent Native tribal nations that were viewed as savages and alien, not only in culture, economy, culture, and also religion. Americans have great tolerance, and certainly more tolerance for difference now than back then, but there are limitations to that tolerance. Back then, Natives were not viewed as *citizens*--but as alien, hostile, Pagan savages. Within American society, Americans were generally quite united in purpose in how the Native tribes must be dealt with.

As for being founded by rebels, well, yes. Our founding fathers were quite suspicious of an overreaching, all-powerful, central government. Which is why Jefferson maintained that every now and then, the Tree of Liberty must be watered with the blood of Patriots, so as to forever remind would-be tyrants and corrupt elites that here in America, an armed populace would always stand ready to put an end to their ambitions of tyranny and absolute authority.

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« Reply #43 on: December 18, 2020, 03:51:36 am »
Anyone who thinks "the pendulum will just swing back" is blind to the fact that this isnt the same country that it was in the 70s, 80s, or 90s. We arent the same nation in regards to demography, religiosity, and cannot even agree on basic moral principals. There won't be some karma like force resetting things back to what they once were socially. The country has been slowly declining for decades (single motherhood, inflation, suicide, mental illness) and now we see physical manifestations of the demoralization that has infected a huge portion of the population.

The nation has never been unified in demographics, religion, or even basic moral principles. We've had many periods of sharply different values. Back in the 1950s and 1960s, there was a sharp disagreement over racial segregation and other policies. I'd argue that the differences were sharper, and certainly the violence was much greater back then -- looking at the record of bombings, shootings, and other conflict. Of course, the differences were even greater during the Civil War - and we stayed united through that.

I certainly hope we don't go back to the levels of armed conflict we saw in the 1960s, but even if we do, it's far from the biggest divide the country has seen.


Even as recently as 1990 around half of Americans had ancestry of the founding stock. Studies show that homogeneous societies have more public participation, less crime, civil war, and more stability*. And as less people than ever are tethered to the nations history via ancestry we also see national pride hit an all time low** When you also read the naturalization act of 1790 it's clear the country was meant to be a nation state enshrined to a certain group of people. This was more or less maintained until the 1965 Hart Celler Act which opened the floodgates, despite politicians assuring the people we would not seriously alter demographics with uncontrollable mass migration. 60 years later they will openly tell you that your grandkids will be only speaking Spanish and a "reconquista" of the country is underway.

My point is this isnt the same nation that it was in the 60s or the 70s or 80s or 90s. We are more divided than we've ever been and have increasingly less in common with one another. As this continues we will creep closer to Brazil status, and with continued mass migration it will effectivley stamp out any love or sentimentality towards the country that is left.

This isnt some anti american tirade either I love my country, but I despise what's what's being done to it.


*http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs10464-013-9608

**https://news.gallup.com/poll/312644/national-pride-falls-record-low.aspx


Edit: The portion is non hispanic white americans is also 62%, not 72%. For comparison America was 89% White in 1950

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Very true, Deathknight! I agree entirely!

It is mind boggling and infuriating how our country is devolving. It has become *culturally* and *ideologically* divided in recent decades, much from the purposeful indoctrination and coordinated corruption and brainwashing of elements throughout society by Marxists, beginning in the entertainment industry, then spreading into the halls of academia, the universities, and into the media, and gradually also incursions of influence even into Christian churches. Now, we have whole segments of our population that look eagerly towards being slaves in a Marxist, globalist tyrant state. Tragically. So many brain-addled people, hooked on drugs, their minds shot through with a plethora of mental diseases and illnesses, then topped off with the deep-rooted frosting of being brainwashed into Marxism.

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Re: Should the GREAT RESET be a simple amicable divorce?
« Reply #44 on: December 18, 2020, 11:32:01 am »
Back then, Natives were not viewed as *citizens*--but as alien, hostile, Pagan savages. Within American society, Americans were generally quite united in purpose in how the Native tribes must be dealt with.
And there SHARK reveals his true longing--to get back to a white America that is unified in declaring outside groups as the other and ruthlessly oppressing or destroying them. Because that's what he sees as the American way. Disgusting.