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Author Topic: Should the GREAT RESET be a simple amicable divorce?  (Read 4119 times)

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Re: Should the GREAT RESET be a simple amicable divorce?
« Reply #15 on: December 14, 2020, 10:28:27 pm »
Questions of whether the radical Left will be content with leaving the "I just want to grill" elements of the Right alone after a partition aside, (They won't), were the USA to cease to exist as a unified military power, we could expect all hell to break loose throughout the world. For better or for worse, the Pax Americana has prevented more bloodshed than it has enabled. Absent the ability of the US armed forces to project power overseas, to intervene and intimidate potentially hostile actors, it is almost a guarantee that there will be significantly less peace and prosperity throughout the world. China is a rising power with global ambitions, and the US is its only significant check. It would be foolhardy to underestimate the stabilizing effects that the US Navy alone has on global trade. Remove the USA from the geopolitical picture and you wind up with a much different world, one in which there will be a race, and a struggle, to be the one to fill the power vacuum.

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Re: Should the GREAT RESET be a simple amicable divorce?
« Reply #16 on: December 14, 2020, 10:37:33 pm »
So, what is everyone going to do when GOD turns out the lights?
https://dailybuzzlive.com/alert-nasa-confirms-earth-will-go-dark-6-days-december/

I keep warning everyone, no one listens... :P

If GOD is not too busy can he also give me a Pony.
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Re: Should the GREAT RESET be a simple amicable divorce?
« Reply #17 on: December 14, 2020, 10:56:54 pm »
So, what is everyone going to do when GOD turns out the lights?
https://dailybuzzlive.com/alert-nasa-confirms-earth-will-go-dark-6-days-december/

I keep warning everyone, no one listens... :P

I'm sure Alex Jones will save us with his dragon energy.
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Re: Should the GREAT RESET be a simple amicable divorce?
« Reply #18 on: December 14, 2020, 11:03:26 pm »
So, what is everyone going to do when GOD turns out the lights?
https://dailybuzzlive.com/alert-nasa-confirms-earth-will-go-dark-6-days-december/

I keep warning everyone, no one listens... :P

If GOD is not too busy can he also give me a Pony.
Hm... I'm really REALLY tired right now, but let me try to pray for you...
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Re: Should the GREAT RESET be a simple amicable divorce?
« Reply #19 on: December 15, 2020, 10:01:17 am »
I think divisiveness is just a thing people will have to live with. Social media and other modern trends are part of it of course, and that isn’t going anywhere. If the country really did divide I wouldn’t be surprised if the next thing that happens is that the leftist part soon finds some people are not leftist enough, and the same on the right part, leading to further infighting and division.

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« Reply #20 on: December 16, 2020, 02:31:24 am »
It should be a peaceful separation, but the powers that be wont allow it. America is doomed to go through brazilification into third world shithole status, and then possibly end up like south Africa. This was going to happen regardless as to who won the election, as the rot already set in top deep



China is going to have a comfortable middle class in 35 years in a homogenized Han nation. Russia will be similar. Meanwhile the USA will he circling the drain.

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« Reply #21 on: December 16, 2020, 02:34:16 am »
I think divisiveness is just a thing people will have to live with. Social media and other modern trends are part of it of course, and that isn’t going anywhere. If the country really did divide I wouldn’t be surprised if the next thing that happens is that the leftist part soon finds some people are not leftist enough, and the same on the right part, leading to further infighting and division.


I dont think you understand how deep the hatred as gotten. For one side to advance the other side has to decline, and we no longer agree on a shared history, language, or religion. That isnt a well functioning republic performing as intended, it's two sides with no business calling each other countrymen struggling for power grabs so they can enact radically different world views at the expense of the other half of the country.

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« Reply #22 on: December 16, 2020, 07:36:01 am »
I dont think you understand how deep the hatred as gotten. For one side to advance the other side has to decline, and we no longer agree on a shared history, language, or religion. That isnt a well functioning republic performing as intended, it's two sides with no business calling each other countrymen struggling for power grabs so they can enact radically different world views at the expense of the other half of the country.
Read about the US in the 19th century. The last 70 or 80 years has been one of remarkable amity, but it's the exception rather than the rule.

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Re: Should the GREAT RESET be a simple amicable divorce?
« Reply #23 on: December 16, 2020, 08:22:19 am »
I don't think the great reset will ever happen. One has to have enough people with the popular vote and opinion as well as the weapons both real and financial to back up the threat of splitting the country up. Most will be angry their candidate did not win shrug then get on with their lives. Too many hear think that everyone else thinks like them and wants to split the country. Many average people can't let alone want to think such a scenario.

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Re: Should the GREAT RESET be a simple amicable divorce?
« Reply #24 on: December 16, 2020, 08:27:34 am »
I dont think you understand how deep the hatred as gotten. For one side to advance the other side has to decline, and we no longer agree on a shared history, language, or religion. That isnt a well functioning republic performing as intended, it's two sides with no business calling each other countrymen struggling for power grabs so they can enact radically different world views at the expense of the other half of the country.
Read about the US in the 19th century. The last 70 or 80 years has been one of remarkable amity, but it's the exception rather than the rule.
I have. It's worse than it was circa 1858.

If you want a good thumbnail explanation of the issue, look up Sowell's The Vision of the Anointed. Read the part about the 'constrained' versus the 'unconstrained' viewpoints.

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« Reply #25 on: December 16, 2020, 08:34:00 am »
I dont think you understand how deep the hatred as gotten. For one side to advance the other side has to decline, and we no longer agree on a shared history, language, or religion. That isnt a well functioning republic performing as intended, it's two sides with no business calling each other countrymen struggling for power grabs so they can enact radically different world views at the expense of the other half of the country.
Read about the US in the 19th century. The last 70 or 80 years has been one of remarkable amity, but it's the exception rather than the rule.
I have. It's worse than it was circa 1858.

If you want a good thumbnail explanation of the issue, look up Sowell's The Vision of the Anointed. Read the part about the 'constrained' versus the 'unconstrained' viewpoints.
I've read Sowell's book, but it just seems like we're reverting back to the eras of yellow journalism, political pamphlets, and so on. Remember how hated people like Jackson and Lincoln were, by their contemporaries.

The main difference today isn't vehemence or polarization, but that the central government is much stronger, which is aggravating the divide. If you have two sides on an issue with irreconcilable views, forcing a uniform solution on everyone is the worst possible answer.

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« Reply #26 on: December 16, 2020, 08:37:52 am »
I've read Sowell's book, but it just seems like we're reverting back to the eras of yellow journalism, political pamphlets, and so on. Remember how hated people like Jackson and Lincoln were, by their contemporaries.

The main difference today isn't vehemence or polarization, but that the central government is much stronger, which is aggravating the divide. If you have two sides on an issue with irreconcilable views, forcing a uniform solution on everyone is the worst possible answer.
I would argue there was no 'reversion'. It's always been this way, it's just become more obvious now.

And yes, the increasing power and centralization of authority is a bad thing. But I don't think any kind of national divorce will be amicable or peaceful.

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« Reply #27 on: December 16, 2020, 08:46:20 am »

And yes, the increasing power and centralization of authority is a bad thing. But I don't think any kind of national divorce will be amicable or peaceful.
I don't think any kind of divorce is possible. I just read Bishop's The Big Sort, which describes how the US has fragmented into two distinct communities who think differently, live in different communities, and only associate with people of a similar mindset. But it's not a East Coast/West Coast split, or even the coasts vs. the heartlands, or the North vs. the South. It's not state by state, or even county by county. The divide is happening at the neighborhood or community level, as people preferentially move to places where their neighbors think like they do. But drive a few blocks over, and it can completely switch. And the book's more than 10 years old; the gradient has become even steeper. There's no way to unravel that almost fractal division, without forcibly relocating almost half the country.
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« Reply #28 on: December 16, 2020, 08:53:12 am »

And yes, the increasing power and centralization of authority is a bad thing. But I don't think any kind of national divorce will be amicable or peaceful.
I don't think any kind of divorce is possible. I just read Bishop's The Big Sort, which describes how the US has fragmented into two distinct communities who think differently, live in different communities, and only associate with people of a similar mindset. But it's not a East Coast/West Coast split, or even the coasts vs. the heartlands, or the North vs. the South. It's not state by state, or even county by county. The divide is happening at the neighborhood or community level, as people preferentially move to places where their neighbors think like they do. But drive a few blocks over, and it can completely switch. And the book's more than 10 years old; the gradient has become even steeper. There's no way to unravel that almost fractal division, without forcibly relocating almost half the country.
I agree completely. But the alternative may be worse. Imagine the Troubles, but multiplied a hundredfold.

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« Reply #29 on: December 16, 2020, 10:17:09 am »

And yes, the increasing power and centralization of authority is a bad thing. But I don't think any kind of national divorce will be amicable or peaceful.
I don't think any kind of divorce is possible. I just read Bishop's The Big Sort, which describes how the US has fragmented into two distinct communities who think differently, live in different communities, and only associate with people of a similar mindset. But it's not a East Coast/West Coast split, or even the coasts vs. the heartlands, or the North vs. the South. It's not state by state, or even county by county. The divide is happening at the neighborhood or community level, as people preferentially move to places where their neighbors think like they do. But drive a few blocks over, and it can completely switch. And the book's more than 10 years old; the gradient has become even steeper. There's no way to unravel that almost fractal division, without forcibly relocating almost half the country.
I agree completely. But the alternative may be worse. Imagine the Troubles, but multiplied a hundredfold.

Greetings!

Indeed, that vision may very well come to pass. A civil war illustrated by savage street battles, periodic bombings, truck attacks, nighttime raids, arson attacks, and assassinations. It is foreseeable that Federal authority and power will be truncated, as local authorities, regions, and states resist Federal dictates, and implement a de facto "divorce" on their own, and various law enforcement agencies simply lose the power to exert any kind of mass control. In addition, it seems likely that there can potentially be rival factions within law enforcement, with some casually "looking the other way" as BLM and Antifa gangs run rampant, while more conservative law enforcement agencies align themselves with local conservative militia units.

This is all the chickens coming home to roost caused by the Marxists. Their ideologues within academia and other sectors of society, such as entertainment and media, have promoted a Marxist ideology and brainwashing for over 20 years now. I have seen their ideology and rhetoric up close in the university for example, ramping up, year after year, and along the way promoting and embracing ideas and attitudes that are increasingly delusional and divorced from reality. Furthermore, such ideas and ideology has been incubated within them--often younger crops of college students--but also spread about throughout society in general--that is and has been increasingly hostile and belligerent towards anyone that thinks differently, that holds to traditional, conservative, patriotic, Christian world views. In every category, whether it is foreign policy, homosexuality, abortion, gun rights, sex education, marriage and divorce customs, family court law, religious faith, homeschooling, Charter schools, Taxes, social welfare policies, urban development--all of these things have become "We are perfect and have the TRUTH--and if you disagree or embrace traditional beliefs, then you are an evil, racist, nahtzee." Scaled down, of course, until in more recent years, but the trend has been there for a long time.

That is the bones to the whole "culture war" that has been going on at various levels of intensity since the 1960's and 1970's. The main problem is that the Conservative elements of society have for many of these years been asleep at the switch, and otherwise preoccupied with raising kids, working, and living life--while generally underestimating the seriousness of the "culture war" and often downplaying it's importance, or being content to handing off the "job" of fighting the "culture war" to grizzled military vets, the odd rambling bearded man, or a variety of Christian preachers, pastors, and activists.

Increasingly though, say in the last 12 to 15 years, alarm bells have been going off more and more within the more conservative population, and especially so within the last four years. But it has been growing--all of the topics I mentioned have in many ways experienced a growing sense of leverage, change, and dominion from the Leftist, Marxist angle, against traditional, conservative Americans, who have more and more been opening their eyes that their culture is being destroyed, and the America that so many people grew up loving and cherishing, is being chewed and eaten and polluted, and more and more, people are being restricted, disenfranchised, and oppressed.

So, now, we see more Americans saying "fuck it" and driving trucks into crowds of people, setting off bombs, and organizing into street fighting. Soon here--well, we have already seen some tendencies--and more conservative people in America are just going to be shooting the Marxists, and really going after them, and beating them to death. This tendency will vary of course, by the perceived threat level on the local level, and how responsive local law enforcement is to conservative Americans expectations, and also how trustworthy the local judicial courts are. As that confidence and security level diminishes, well, more and more ordinary, Conservative Americans are going to be actively defending themselves, and their communities.

I don't think we are anywhere near a place of "unity and healing". The cultural divide, the culture war, has become far too personal. It isn't political anymore. Politics are just a wrapper coating to it--the deeper issues of faith, community, freedom, and culture, are becoming so acute, that the two groups are largely incompatible now. There's nothing to discuss, or negotiate. Liberal, jello-filled Marxists are gathering together, and Conservative, traditional Americans would much rather live and work amongst people that embrace the same values they do. It seems like we are just a hop and skip from formal, jurisdictional separation. There will reach a point where groups of Americans will refuse to not only live amongst others that don't share their values--but they will refuse to obey laws, dictates, mandates, whatever, by anyone that they view as being in opposition. This social force is gathering momentum. Not only here in Idaho, for example, but also in Texas, and many other states. Hell, there is a growing impetus for people in Eastern Oregon to secede from the western half of their state, and join together with Idaho. That desire is increasingly spurred not only by government bureaucracy, taxes, codes and such--but by a dissonance in culture, and values. Thus, you have more people in Eastern Oregon feeling oppressed, disenfranchised, and NOT represented or listened to by their political "leaders" in Portland.

The gulf is certainly growing, my friend. It has been a long time coming, and that is why I see it as a kind of chickens coming home to roost thing. The Marxists have been pushing and promoting this cultural corruption and rot for decades, while Conservatives closed their eyes and tried to alternatingly placate or ignore the growing threat. Now, the flood is about to burst, because primarily more people are seeing, perhaps for the first time, that the looming threat cannot be negotiated with, they cannot be reasoned with, and the situation has accelerated to the tipping point where the culture is either defended and protected, or the American culture gets plough fucked in the ass by Marxism.

Tipping Point, indeed.

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