RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)

[SHARK]

Hi folks.  New to the forum, after getting a 1-week ban from rpg.net for "violating forum rules" for a post inside a thread on "Racism in the D&D Monster Manual" where I dared to suggest tying mental ability score bonuses and penalties to culture, and apparently daring to suggest a culture with poor education might leave characters with a penality to intelligence might be seen as "either racist or ableist", without even warning that my post might be seen as offensive.

The Mods really are turning into draconian thought police over there, aren't they?

Greetings!

Welcome aboard, Lonewolf2k!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

[Dan Davenport]

Hi folks.  New to the forum, after getting a 1-week ban from rpg.net for "violating forum rules" for a post inside a thread on "Racism in the D&D Monster Manual" where I dared to suggest tying mental ability score bonuses and penalties to culture, and apparently daring to suggest a culture with poor education might leave characters with a penality to intelligence might be seen as "either racist or ableist", without even warning that my post might be seen as offensive.

The Mods really are turning into draconian thought police over there, aren't they?

Welcome, lonewolf23k!

"Turning"? Oh, no, my friend. As a former RPGnet Mod when the reasonableness of the place was already on the wane, I can assure you that this is nothing new. It just seems to have gotten progressively worse now that RPGnet has declared itself a political entity.

[Valatar]

You've posted enough details that anyone could easily work out who you are there even if you changed your username, so expect your one-week ban to be permanent by now.  So welcome aboard indeed, now that you can't go back.

Anyhow, alignment's always been a silly thing.  Murderhobos are hardly new in gaming, some players just wanna beat down on stuff and don't much care about the particulars.  Orcs, animals, bandits, that town guard that looked at them funny, the shopkeeper who refused to discount the sword they wanted, etc.  It's never been a topic that really merited lots of hand-wringing; the question at the end of the day is whether the killing(s) in question are disruptive to the game's theme.  Some games will roll just fine with a bunch of psychopath PCs, but Bill wanting to axe murder the 7-11 clerk is probably not a good fit to your highly social Vampire game focusing on political mind-games.  Are orcs inherently evil?  Maybe, who cares?  If the point of your game is to engage in cultural introspection and examine the nature of free will, then by all means spend some sessions pondering the orc baby dilemma.  But for most games an orc is a token on a map with a set of stats attached to it and the players are trying to make the HP reach zero, and that is all there is to that.  The DM likely did not write five pages of backstory about the orc's hopes and dreams and their difficult childhood that they overcame and how, if left to their own devices, they would help guide the other orcs into peaceful coexistence with humanity.

[David Johansen]

Maybe the name should be changed to antirpg.net

[lonewolf23k]

And I just noticed there was an Anti-Vaxxer Thread, and fuck me this is a Right-Wing Forum.

Y'know what, let's all save some time.  I'm clearly not Left-Wing enough for RPG.Net, and I know I'm not Right-Wing enough for THIS Site, so go ahead and Perma-Ban me now.  I know I won't be visiting again.  Bonsoir.

[Tait Ransom]

And I just noticed there was an Anti-Vaxxer Thread, and fuck me this is a Right-Wing Forum.

Y'know what, let's all save some time.  I'm clearly not Left-Wing enough for RPG.Net, and I know I'm not Right-Wing enough for THIS Site, so go ahead and Perma-Ban me now.  I know I won't be visiting again.  Bonsoir.

The difference is you won't get banned for different politics here.  You do you, but this group is pretty accepting, especially when it comes to gaming.  Politics stays in one area only, and it's gaming conversation everywhere else.

[I]

And I just noticed there was an Anti-Vaxxer Thread, and fuck me this is a Right-Wing Forum.

Y'know what, let's all save some time.  I'm clearly not Left-Wing enough for RPG.Net, and I know I'm not Right-Wing enough for THIS Site, so go ahead and Perma-Ban me now.  I know I won't be visiting again.  Bonsoir.

What kind of an idiot goes to the trouble of joining a forum without knowing just a little bit about it?  I'd never advocate banning this guy for his political views, but I wouldn't care if he was banned on grounds of (a) being plain goddamn stupid, or (b) being a drama queen, flouncing out of here with an announcement of "I'll never be back either, so there!" like a thirteen-year-old girl who didn't make the cut for the jr. high cheerleader tryouts.

[Ratman_tf]

And I just noticed there was an Anti-Vaxxer Thread, and fuck me this is a Right-Wing Forum.

Y'know what, let's all save some time.  I'm clearly not Left-Wing enough for RPG.Net, and I know I'm not Right-Wing enough for THIS Site, so go ahead and Perma-Ban me now.  I know I won't be visiting again.  Bonsoir.

Nobody gives a shit what "wing" you are. But if you want to make a dramatic flounce out of the message board, you do you.

[SHARK]

And I just noticed there was an Anti-Vaxxer Thread, and fuck me this is a Right-Wing Forum.

Y'know what, let's all save some time.  I'm clearly not Left-Wing enough for RPG.Net, and I know I'm not Right-Wing enough for THIS Site, so go ahead and Perma-Ban me now.  I know I won't be visiting again.  Bonsoir.

Greetings!

Geesus. And here I was hoping I was welcoming an RPGnet refugee that was sane and reasonable. Ahh well, don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out, as they say.

*Rolls Eyes* Fucking weak.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

[David Johansen]

So, looking at the ban for lonewolf on the tbp forums it was for suggesting a culture could have a negative impact on a character's abilities.  It's also stated that having an 'intelligence' stat is automatically racist and abelist.  Something so absolutely real, measurable and well known is basically a banning offense now. 

That being said, different intelligence levels are pretty hard to represent in play.

[wmarshal]

Traveller separates education from intelligence with its EDU stat, while most systems has the intelligence stat include both aspects. I suppose by TBP's ideology it would be racist to note that someone raised as a rural illiterate peasant before adventuring would suffer intellectually in comparison to another person who attended magnet schools while
getting their K-12 education, let alone any college.

Therefore, the difference in educational opportunities offered to minorities makes no actual difference in the their earning potential, social status, etc. No need to worry about equality in the education system because it can't make any difference. Huzzah!

Of course that paragraph above is nonsense, but one cannot dare to offend Woke theology.

Lonewolf23k was almost free, but he just couldn't manage it.

[BoxCrayonTales]

You've posted enough details that anyone could easily work out who you are there even if you changed your username, so expect your one-week ban to be permanent by now.  So welcome aboard indeed, now that you can't go back.

Anyhow, alignment's always been a silly thing.  Murderhobos are hardly new in gaming, some players just wanna beat down on stuff and don't much care about the particulars.  Orcs, animals, bandits, that town guard that looked at them funny, the shopkeeper who refused to discount the sword they wanted, etc.  It's never been a topic that really merited lots of hand-wringing; the question at the end of the day is whether the killing(s) in question are disruptive to the game's theme.  Some games will roll just fine with a bunch of psychopath PCs, but Bill wanting to axe murder the 7-11 clerk is probably not a good fit to your highly social Vampire game focusing on political mind-games.  Are orcs inherently evil?  Maybe, who cares?  If the point of your game is to engage in cultural introspection and examine the nature of free will, then by all means spend some sessions pondering the orc baby dilemma.  But for most games an orc is a token on a map with a set of stats attached to it and the players are trying to make the HP reach zero, and that is all there is to that.  The DM likely did not write five pages of backstory about the orc's hopes and dreams and their difficult childhood that they overcame and how, if left to their own devices, they would help guide the other orcs into peaceful coexistence with humanity.

Oh, totally. I wanted to make a point like this, but you put it so eloquently. Bravo!

[Grognard GM]

And I just noticed there was an Anti-Vaxxer Thread, and fuck me this is a Right-Wing Forum.

Y'know what, let's all save some time.  I'm clearly not Left-Wing enough for RPG.Net, and I know I'm not Right-Wing enough for THIS Site, so go ahead and Perma-Ban me now.  I know I won't be visiting again.  Bonsoir.

My first thought when you said how RPG.net was 'becoming' censorious was "ah, so you've agreed with all of their BS for years now, but you finally got targeted yourself, so now it's an issue" and you did not disappoint.

You want somewhere where you can post what you want...but where others can't post what they want. What you're looking for is a blog.

Bonsoir.

[BoxCrayonTales]

I don't agree with everyone about everything, but I respect their right to say so. The modern left is at fault for radicalizing a lot of people to go too far in the opposite direction. I think it's stupid and has made formerly easy arguments into an exhaustive farce, but as long as free speech is respected here then I try not to complain too much.

[Thor's Nads]

And I just noticed there was an Anti-Vaxxer Thread, and fuck me this is a Right-Wing Forum.

Y'know what, let's all save some time.  I'm clearly not Left-Wing enough for RPG.Net, and I know I'm not Right-Wing enough for THIS Site, so go ahead and Perma-Ban me now.  I know I won't be visiting again.  Bonsoir.

There are these people caught in the middle who've been brainwashed to think anything common sense is "right-wing" and therefore verboten. And they have no sense of nuance.

It is not "anti-vax" it is "anti-experimental gene therapy" to criticize the jab.

But anyways, I'm on this thread to enjoy hearing about the Left eating itself on RPGnet. The Left is ever descending into a spiral of madness as the contradictions in their insane world view compounds, they've departed reality into some weird fantasy land where women have penises and men can have menstrual cycles and babies. Orcs are black people, and saying there are differences between people is racism, even in D&D make believe. Eventually reality has to come crashing down on them and their whole house of cards has to collapse. I just hope they don't take Western civilization with them, though it looks like that is what is happening.