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Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
« Reply #1755 on: June 23, 2022, 06:07:10 PM »
*I* want to bring in Antifa? Oh Pat, you've gotten lost mate. Follow the conversation. Where is it you think we started my man?

The point all along has been about comparing Antifa violence to Jan 6 violence and people claiming Jan 6 was non-violent, with me saying no they were in fact violent.  Sicknick was just one in many many points I made to demonstrate they were also violent on Jan 6. I've proven it was violent and rather than talk to that point you want to focus on trying to play gotcha without ever speaking to the issue we're talking about. You got so far from the point that you now think I am the one bringing Antifa to the conversation. Fuck dude, there is a forest around you. Stop beating your head on that tree. Not me who brought Antifa to this conversation I am just responding to what others said. Or did you just forget what the heck we've been talking about?

Tell me Pat, do you agree with what was said, that on Jan 6 everyone in the capital was just "invited" in there by police, they were simply trespassing and wandering the halls, and that they were non-violent? Do you or do you not agree with that statement. Don't be a fucking politician about it, don't ask me to define what "is" is, just answer the simple question as to whether you think that is an accurate assessment of what happened or not.

Because if you don't agree with that statement, I want you to hold the people accountable for saying that at least as much as you have a bug up your ass about Sicknick which was never my point to begin with but that statement WAS the point those guys were making.
Okay, you fucking liar. Where did anyone say this was nonviolent?

Oh wait, that was me! Except there was context, which you can't strip out without being a complete fucking liar. I pointed out that one side of the building was completely nonviolent. They were invited in. They were respectful. And it's absolutely appalling those people are being treated as terrorists. It's a complete travesty, and it's a sign of the sickness of our federal institutions and how far they've drifted from their often but falsely claimed role as public servants.

And on the other side of the the building, I said it got violent. But not a single protestor was carrying a gun. The FBI admitted there was no organized plan to do anything. It therefore wasn't an insurrection. That's another lie, and it's equally appalling. Because we've just gone through dozens of worse riots, some in the summer of 2020 in response to a completely fictitious narrative, some at supreme court confirmation hearings, some at presidential inaugurations, some at the homes of supreme court justices, and one that even attacked the White House. These were all far worse, because they directly threatened legislators, justices, and chief executives, committed arson, and killed people. Yet the people involved mostly got a slap on the hand.

Which in general, I wouldn't have much of a problem with. I think it's a sign of a functioning democracy that protests are largely tolerated, even when they get violent. Yes, people get arrested. But the charges should usually be minor, and the sentences typically probation. Even property damage or inter-personal violence shouldn't be treated that severely, because this idea that all protests are going to be peaceful is nonsense. Reserve the serious charges for things like bombings, killings, or arson.

But what we're seeing here is the weaponization of Congress, the FBI, and the Department of Justice against the opposition political party. I despise that political party almost as much as I despise you, but hey if I stay silent then next they'll come for X, then Y, and eventually me.

Liar.

Liar.

You miserable piece of shit liar.

And if you ask me one more of your little staged lying questions and demand an answer, I'm going totally scorched earth on your miserable piece of shit ass.

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« Reply #1756 on: June 23, 2022, 06:21:28 PM »
OK, for the rightards:

BLM violence began after decades of police abusing, beating, framing abd murdering blacks are far higher rates than whites. It began after cases of police clearly murdering blacks and getting away with it began getting caught on video.

The trumptards rioted because they lost an election.

Got proof? Where is your evidence to support this claim?

See, we heard this line of bullshit before and did the research. You know what it showed? That the group killing the most blacks was other blacks. Not cops. Criminal blacks like George Floyd are the ones who kill the most blacks. Now, you won't listen to this or any other argument because you are fucked in the head. You've been brainwashed.

Not only are you a groomer, but you are also a retard.

As far as "trumptards" rioting, how can you tell? It looks like a lot of them were bussed in to DC from other cities. Agitators who showed up for a protest just like all of the rioters who showed up at various democrat governed cities who never gave a shit about their constituency except when needed to win an election. A large part of the butthurt by you and Mistwell and jhkim feel is that the realization that nobody whose talking points you are regurgitating gives a fuck about you. You are each useful idiots that the social Marxists gladly use to wipe their asses since you have served your purpose.

So c'mon, tell us how much money and time you useful idiots expended on BLM or Antifa or other social cause whose leaders see you as expendable pawns?
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« Reply #1757 on: June 23, 2022, 06:38:02 PM »
Jeffy, you're a pussy throwing shit over the net. I hope someday you skip up abd call someone a groomer irl and get your mouth smashed to a bloody pulp you cunt. Millions of people have died of covid and you weren't one of them. That's tragic..
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« Reply #1758 on: June 23, 2022, 06:57:05 PM »
OK, for the rightards:

BLM violence began after decades of police abusing, beating, framing abd murdering blacks are far higher rates than whites. It began after cases of police clearly murdering blacks and getting away with it began getting caught on video.

The trumptards rioted because they lost an election.

The thing that is really suspect here is that BLM’s violence started AFTER the tendency of police to shoot blacks had stopped. Steven Pinker actually looks at the data in his book Enlightenment Now and finds that cops are not more likely to kill blacks than whites. It seems to me that some African Americans are holding on to their oppression for their bare lives.

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« Reply #1759 on: June 23, 2022, 07:02:09 PM »
OK, for the rightards:

BLM violence began after decades of police abusing, beating, framing abd murdering blacks are far higher rates than whites. It began after cases of police clearly murdering blacks and getting away with it began getting caught on video.

The trumptards rioted because they lost an election.

The thing that is really suspect here is that BLM’s violence started AFTER the tendency of police to shoot blacks had stopped. Steven Pinker actually looks at the data in his book Enlightenment Now and finds that cops are not more likely to kill blacks than whites. It seems to me that some African Americans are holding on to their oppression for their bare lives.

  Guess what is going to stop now?  Policing Black neighborhoods at all.   It seems shootings and homicides are spiking like mad in several cities all over the country, and po po is too busy getting doughnuts and calling backup to be bothered.    You know what else is stopping?  People signing on to be police officers.   Less cops, and the ones who are there are NOT going into areas they can get snagged up in.  Yay.

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« Reply #1760 on: June 23, 2022, 07:26:05 PM »
OK, for the rightards:

BLM violence began after decades of police abusing, beating, framing abd murdering blacks are far higher rates than whites. It began after cases of police clearly murdering blacks and getting away with it began getting caught on video.

The trumptards rioted because they lost an election.

The thing that is really suspect here is that BLM’s violence started AFTER the tendency of police to shoot blacks had stopped. Steven Pinker actually looks at the data in his book Enlightenment Now and finds that cops are not more likely to kill blacks than whites. It seems to me that some African Americans are holding on to their oppression for their bare lives.

  Guess what is going to stop now?  Policing Black neighborhoods at all.   It seems shootings and homicides are spiking like mad in several cities all over the country, and po po is too busy getting doughnuts and calling backup to be bothered.    You know what else is stopping?  People signing on to be police officers.   Less cops, and the ones who are there are NOT going into areas they can get snagged up in.  Yay.
There's also the possibility that there will be increased quality of the remaining cops to make up for lost quantity. If the ones being lost are the "bad apples" that historically have been the shitbags of the force, then losing them (or their equally shitty replacements) isn't a bad thing.

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« Reply #1761 on: June 23, 2022, 07:26:36 PM »
Sicknick died of natural causes. That's what the ME said, and the ME had every incentive to blame the mostly peaceful protesters. You've doubled down on that falsehood, rather than being honest and admitting you're wrong. Instead, you're trying to shift the goalposts from your completely false claim that the mostly peaceful protesters murdered cops to maybe a few got hit.

Which more or less matches what everyone else has said, despite your contorted attempts to claim that people are somehow denying anything except your lies.

Plus, if you want to bring in Antifa, how many people were murdered during the 2020 Summer of Insurrection, Arson, and Democratic Politicians Almost Universally Supporting Armed Rebellion?
Also, remember noted antifa goon Eric Clanton?  He got 3 years probation for striking a victim in the head with a bike lock.  Seems like a bit of a light sentence for 4 counts of felony assault ...
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« Reply #1762 on: June 23, 2022, 07:38:36 PM »
OK, for the rightards:

BLM violence began after decades of police abusing, beating, framing abd murdering blacks are far higher rates than whites. It began after cases of police clearly murdering blacks and getting away with it began getting caught on video.

The trumptards rioted because they lost an election.

The thing that is really suspect here is that BLM’s violence started AFTER the tendency of police to shoot blacks had stopped. Steven Pinker actually looks at the data in his book Enlightenment Now and finds that cops are not more likely to kill blacks than whites. It seems to me that some African Americans are holding on to their oppression for their bare lives.

  Guess what is going to stop now?  Policing Black neighborhoods at all.   It seems shootings and homicides are spiking like mad in several cities all over the country, and po po is too busy getting doughnuts and calling backup to be bothered.    You know what else is stopping?  People signing on to be police officers.   Less cops, and the ones who are there are NOT going into areas they can get snagged up in.  Yay.
There's also the possibility that there will be increased quality of the remaining cops to make up for lost quantity. If the ones being lost are the "bad apples" that historically have been the shitbags of the force, then losing them (or their equally shitty replacements) isn't a bad thing.


  If it got rid of the bad cops it would be good.  That is not how it is working out, the good ones have options (they can do other jobs, or move somewhere else where they can ride out that clock to retire) and they are exercising them en masse.  Most departments are 33 percent understaffed in real life, but are pretending recruits and enrollees in academies are on the rosters.   IME most of the cops on the force are pretty fucking average, about 20 percent are good, and 20 percent are well....useless or even actual detriments to the department.  The good 20 percent tends to handle 70-80 percent of the business that has to get done.....well when you lose half that 20 percent quickly, and the rest over time (they move to training positions, go to smaller departments to get the state retirement, etc) guess what?  Now you have the check in chumps and the people who only follow to do anything, and that bottom 20 percent...the assholes who shoot themselves, get assigned SRO duty because they can not be trusted on the street, or man a desk in a building never to leave.  Uvalde IMO was a signal as to the future with what we can expect from the police.
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« Reply #1763 on: June 23, 2022, 08:02:07 PM »
Jeffy, you're a pussy throwing shit over the net.

OK, groomer.

I hope someday you skip up abd call someone a groomer irl and get your mouth smashed to a bloody pulp you cunt.

Well, if someone smashes my mouth, it sure isn't going to be a flaccid penis like you.

Millions of people have died of covid and you weren't one of them. That's tragic..

Nah. It just means that I'm not done saving my corner of civilization from useful idiots like you, groomer. Now why don't you slink off and cry about it like the impotent brainwashed retard you are.

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« Reply #1764 on: June 23, 2022, 08:07:09 PM »
OK, for the rightards:

BLM violence began after decades of police abusing, beating, framing abd murdering blacks are far higher rates than whites. It began after cases of police clearly murdering blacks and getting away with it began getting caught on video.

The trumptards rioted because they lost an election.

The thing that is really suspect here is that BLM’s violence started AFTER the tendency of police to shoot blacks had stopped. Steven Pinker actually looks at the data in his book Enlightenment Now and finds that cops are not more likely to kill blacks than whites. It seems to me that some African Americans are holding on to their oppression for their bare lives.

  Guess what is going to stop now?  Policing Black neighborhoods at all.   It seems shootings and homicides are spiking like mad in several cities all over the country, and po po is too busy getting doughnuts and calling backup to be bothered.    You know what else is stopping?  People signing on to be police officers.   Less cops, and the ones who are there are NOT going into areas they can get snagged up in.  Yay.
There's also the possibility that there will be increased quality of the remaining cops to make up for lost quantity. If the ones being lost are the "bad apples" that historically have been the shitbags of the force, then losing them (or their equally shitty replacements) isn't a bad thing.

Well, with crime rising by an average of 50% in the cities where the democrats agreed to defund the police, it sure as fuck doesn't look like your wishful thinking is going to come to pass. What it does look like is that there are ongoing mass migrations from democrat held cities to republican held states because the average person just wants to be left alone to live their life and not worry about some useful idiot burning and looting their business or destroying their home in the name of social justice.
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Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
« Reply #1765 on: June 23, 2022, 08:08:56 PM »
Buy some more Large Mansions, battlemaster.

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« Reply #1766 on: June 23, 2022, 10:21:51 PM »
Jeffy, you're a pussy throwing shit over the net.

OK, groomer.

I hope someday you skip up abd call someone a groomer irl and get your mouth smashed to a bloody pulp you cunt.

Well, if someone smashes my mouth, it sure isn't going to be a flaccid penis like you.

Millions of people have died of covid and you weren't one of them. That's tragic..

Nah. It just means that I'm not done saving my corner of civilization from useful idiots like you, groomer. Now why don't you slink off and cry about it like the impotent brainwashed retard you are.

Greetings!

*Laughing* Jeff, your commentary has been fucking hilarious, and righteous, my friend!

Relaxing here, smoking a fine cigar and drinking some fresh coffee, got me roaring in laughter reading this!

Beautiful watching you fucking break down a whining, pussy Liberal.

That reminds me. I've seen *many* live videos of ANTIFA pussies talking tough, like they are some serious "Action Hero"--and male or female alike, they attempt to get violent most often against kids, older people, or someone that is unarmed and outnumbered.

THEN, a real, bearded, right-thinking Neanderthal arrives, and the FUN begins! The ANTIFA pussies REEE for mommy as they get fucking CURB STOMPED! Liberal fucktards last about five minutes, and utterly FAIL, like a cowardly, flaccid penis! They *dream* so hard of being a righteous and strong warrior--but they fail completely, and get fucking ploughed like a soft field on a fine day.

Deep down, Liberal cunts are bullies, cowards, and Cosplay jackasses.

RELENTLESS, Jeff!

Semper Fidelis,

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« Reply #1767 on: June 23, 2022, 11:55:44 PM »
OK, for the rightards:

BLM violence began after decades of police abusing, beating, framing abd murdering blacks are far higher rates than whites. It began after cases of police clearly murdering blacks and getting away with it began getting caught on video.

The trumptards rioted because they lost an election.

The thing that is really suspect here is that BLM’s violence started AFTER the tendency of police to shoot blacks had stopped. Steven Pinker actually looks at the data in his book Enlightenment Now and finds that cops are not more likely to kill blacks than whites. It seems to me that some African Americans are holding on to their oppression for their bare lives.

  Guess what is going to stop now?  Policing Black neighborhoods at all.   It seems shootings and homicides are spiking like mad in several cities all over the country, and po po is too busy getting doughnuts and calling backup to be bothered.    You know what else is stopping?  People signing on to be police officers.   Less cops, and the ones who are there are NOT going into areas they can get snagged up in.  Yay.
There's also the possibility that there will be increased quality of the remaining cops to make up for lost quantity. If the ones being lost are the "bad apples" that historically have been the shitbags of the force, then losing them (or their equally shitty replacements) isn't a bad thing.

Well, with crime rising by an average of 50% in the cities where the democrats agreed to defund the police, it sure as fuck doesn't look like your wishful thinking is going to come to pass. What it does look like is that there are ongoing mass migrations from democrat held cities to republican held states because the average person just wants to be left alone to live their life and not worry about some useful idiot burning and looting their business or destroying their home in the name of social justice.

Sites like RPG.net seem to embody the now very widespread woke tendency to demonize the police and those who support them with rules like being able to discuss police shootings only within the context of appreciating how terrible they are, and not as regards discussing what actually happened, or even on the same thread discussing how police reform or whatever could be logically achieved or what the broader statistics actually are instead of just defunding and villainizing entire police departments. And then they wonder why their reactionary policies have negative effects on policing and crime, or the willingness of police to stay and tolerate abuse.

 Annually there's like one fatal police shooting per every 800 cops or something crazy low like that. https://mappingpoliceviolence.org/ (Divide each year by 800,000 US cops.) Likewise, while black people are 2.9 times more likely to be fatally shot according to that site, they also have a disproportionate representation in the violent crime rate almost as high. https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/revcoa18.pdf

I'm not saying that there are no racist cops, or that there isn't some degree of such activity in play with the numbers, but they were much more reasonable numbers than I had been led to believe. For violence, rather than outright fatal shootings, the numbers are admittedly a little less balanced, even with violence and likelihood of the recipient of said effects being armed factored in. But even then, it's within 40% deviation from what you would expect for whites. (Which is still admittedly a bit high, and maybe if the data is legit that actually bears looking at. But the point is that hands up don't shoot specifically is kinda BS as regards statistical analysis.)

No wonder they won't tolerate debate on their site. They may well be afraid to acknowledge statistical truths.

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« Reply #1768 on: June 24, 2022, 12:17:49 AM »
Failed to include something showing higher levels of police violence towards equally resisting blacks (and hispanics, apparently). https://www.nber.org/papers/w22399?utm_campaign=ntw&utm_medium=email&utm_source=ntw

Though in police stops they seem about equally likely to be hurt or whatever and they get stopped more often. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/07/25/study-finds-blacks-arent-more-likely-to-get-hurt-during-police-stops/

So IDK.

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« Reply #1769 on: June 24, 2022, 02:47:28 AM »
Annually there's like one fatal police shooting per every 800 cops or something crazy low like that. https://mappingpoliceviolence.org/ (Divide each year by 800,000 US cops.) Likewise, while black people are 2.9 times more likely to be fatally shot according to that site, they also have a disproportionate representation in the violent crime rate almost as high. https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/revcoa18.pdf

I'm not saying that there are no racist cops, or that there isn't some degree of such activity in play with the numbers, but they were much more reasonable numbers than I had been led to believe. For violence, rather than outright fatal shootings, the numbers are admittedly a little less balanced, even with violence and likelihood of the recipient of said effects being armed factored in.
Failed to include something showing higher levels of police violence towards equally resisting blacks (and hispanics, apparently). https://www.nber.org/papers/w22399?utm_campaign=ntw&utm_medium=email&utm_source=ntw

Though in police stops they seem about equally likely to be hurt or whatever and they get stopped more often. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/07/25/study-finds-blacks-arent-more-likely-to-get-hurt-during-police-stops/

So IDK.

Yeah, I find it hard to tell as well. Statistics on policing are very difficult to get truly controlled comparisons - and there are plenty of people on both sides who give mistaken or false impressions. It's very difficult to either prove or disprove racial bias in the field. You noted disproportionate representation in violent crime (i.e. black people tend to be more violent), but that itself is a function of policing. The U.S. legal system gives a wide range of latitude to police and prosecutors about what crimes get charged for given events. The same behavior could be let off with a warning, or they could throw the book at the offender.

From my observation, there is often obvious class bias in policing. A millionaire whose kid goes missing will get lots of attention from officers, while a family in poverty has to wait in line. Racial bias is less visible to me personally, but I know people who spoke of their experience believably.

Further, it's possible for there to be plenty of variety. Different police will have different biases, so local statistics might not match national statistics.