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Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
« Reply #1740 on: June 23, 2022, 02:12:53 PM »
So you are talking about Sicknick. I'd like to see your evidence that he was "beat over the head with a fire extinguisher".

I don't think that Sicknick was hit on the head with a fire extinguisher. The police only said that he was injured, and someone claimed it was a fire extinguisher that was repeated in several media outlets at the time. However, there were several other officers who were hit on the head with a fire extinguisher during the riots. Robert Palmer and Robert Sanford were both convicted of separate incidents of throwing a fire extinguisher at policeman's heads. Here's video of one of the incidents.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sip2z2w8BrQ

So I think Mistwell is incorrect specifically regarding Sicknick, but there were multiple officers hit on the head with a fire extinguisher by rioters, so this doesn't show the rioters as peaceful. Posters have claimed that the rioters were only guilty of trespass and vandalism at most, and that they didn't hurt anyone - which is demonstrably false. I don't think they murdered anyone, but they certainly hurt people.
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« Reply #1741 on: June 23, 2022, 02:27:12 PM »
So you are talking about Sicknick. I'd like to see your evidence that he was "beat over the head with a fire extinguisher".

I don't think that Sicknick was hit on the head with a fire extinguisher. The police only said that he was injured, and someone claimed it was a fire extinguisher that was repeated in several media outlets at the time. However, there were several other officers who were hit on the head with a fire extinguisher during the riots. Robert Palmer and Robert Sanford were both convicted of separate incidents of throwing a fire extinguisher at policeman's heads. Here's video of one of the incidents.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sip2z2w8BrQ

So I think Mistwell is incorrect specifically regarding Sicknick, but there were multiple officers hit on the head with a fire extinguisher by rioters, so this doesn't show the rioters as peaceful. Posters have claimed that the rioters were only guilty of trespass and vandalism at most, and that they didn't hurt anyone - which is demonstrably false. I don't think they murdered anyone, but they certainly hurt people.

I agree that people got hurt, but Mistwell explicitly and repeatedly claimed that "an officer" was beat (hit repeatedly) over the head with a fire extinguisher. A claim made popular by the media at the time, that was and has been repeated by gullible people who have a rhetorical interest in making the Jan 6 riots sound as terrible as they can, at the expense of accuracy and truth.
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Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
« Reply #1742 on: June 23, 2022, 02:46:52 PM »
So you are talking about Sicknick. I'd like to see your evidence that he was "beat over the head with a fire extinguisher".

I don't think that Sicknick was hit on the head with a fire extinguisher. The police only said that he was injured, and someone claimed it was a fire extinguisher that was repeated in several media outlets at the time. However, there were several other officers who were hit on the head with a fire extinguisher during the riots. Robert Palmer and Robert Sanford were both convicted of separate incidents of throwing a fire extinguisher at policeman's heads. Here's video of one of the incidents.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sip2z2w8BrQ

So I think Mistwell is incorrect specifically regarding Sicknick, but there were multiple officers hit on the head with a fire extinguisher by rioters, so this doesn't show the rioters as peaceful. Posters have claimed that the rioters were only guilty of trespass and vandalism at most, and that they didn't hurt anyone - which is demonstrably false. I don't think they murdered anyone, but they certainly hurt people.

I agree that people got hurt, but Mistwell explicitly and repeatedly claimed that "an officer" was beat (hit repeatedly) over the head with a fire extinguisher. A claim made popular by the media at the time, that was and has been repeated by gullible people who have a rhetorical interest in making the Jan 6 riots sound as terrible as they can, at the expense of accuracy and truth.

Even if it were a full blown riot like antifa and BLM have engaged in without consequence, I really don't care.  We are at the point where many people believe that the creatures infesting the federal government serve themselves instead of their constituents and are a clear and present danger - those politicians are the domestic portion of the "...all enemies, foreign and domestic." that people have pledged to defend the constitution against. 

That's what the pundits forget - you aren't defending the government (or the holders of governmental office) when you take that oath - you are defending the constitution itself which enshrines your rights and sets forth the *form* of government - especially against government that is so corrupted as to actively use the color of officiality to violate the constitution.  The founders *knew* that future politicians could never be trusted to not fuck up, so they left the mechanisms for the citizenry to perform a hard reset when needed.  We should all just be surprised at how long it has taken for a significant number of people to consider that we have reached that point.  If the founders were around longer, they would've violently thrown government officials out of office multiple times already.

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« Reply #1743 on: June 23, 2022, 02:49:07 PM »
So I think Mistwell is incorrect specifically regarding Sicknick, but there were multiple officers hit on the head with a fire extinguisher by rioters, so this doesn't show the rioters as peaceful. Posters have claimed that the rioters were only guilty of trespass and vandalism at most, and that they didn't hurt anyone - which is demonstrably false. I don't think they murdered anyone, but they certainly hurt people.

I agree that people got hurt, but Mistwell explicitly and repeatedly claimed that "an officer" was beat (hit repeatedly) over the head with a fire extinguisher. A claim made popular by the media at the time, that was and has been repeated by gullible people who have a rhetorical interest in making the Jan 6 riots sound as terrible as they can, at the expense of accuracy and truth.

So if Mistwell had just said an officer was "hit" on the head instead of "beat" on the head, then you'd be fine with his statement? That sounds rather hair-splitting compared to other statements in this thread.

In reply #1656, 3catcircus who explicitly claimed that "The worst that they did was some minor vandalizing, stole an overpriced lectern and laptop, and farted on Pelosi's chair." Others claimed that all they did was "trespass and destruction of property" or at most "pushed some cops".

I agree that Mistwell was incorrect, but it's not like "hit" vs "beat" stands out compared to these.

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« Reply #1744 on: June 23, 2022, 03:07:46 PM »
So I think Mistwell is incorrect specifically regarding Sicknick, but there were multiple officers hit on the head with a fire extinguisher by rioters, so this doesn't show the rioters as peaceful. Posters have claimed that the rioters were only guilty of trespass and vandalism at most, and that they didn't hurt anyone - which is demonstrably false. I don't think they murdered anyone, but they certainly hurt people.

I agree that people got hurt, but Mistwell explicitly and repeatedly claimed that "an officer" was beat (hit repeatedly) over the head with a fire extinguisher. A claim made popular by the media at the time, that was and has been repeated by gullible people who have a rhetorical interest in making the Jan 6 riots sound as terrible as they can, at the expense of accuracy and truth.

So if Mistwell had just said an officer was "hit" on the head instead of "beat" on the head, then you'd be fine with his statement? That sounds rather hair-splitting compared to other statements in this thread.

I disagree. An unruly event where things are thrown and someone gets hit is bad, but I think someone repeatedly hitting someone over the head is worse.
And I think the choice of beat over hit is rhetorically intentional to make it sound worse.

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In reply #1656, 3catcircus who explicitly claimed that "The worst that they did was some minor vandalizing, stole an overpriced lectern and laptop, and farted on Pelosi's chair." Others claimed that all they did was "trespass and destruction of property" or at most "pushed some cops".

I agree that Mistwell was incorrect, but it's not like "hit" vs "beat" stands out compared to these.

I disagree with people who downplay what did happen during Jan 6, but lying and misleading makes me think the opposing side is making the same error in the opposite direction, and both are best discarded as emotional rhetoric.
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Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
« Reply #1745 on: June 23, 2022, 04:21:02 PM »
So tbp has launched it's annual membership drive.

Honestly,  why do people with the higher brain functions required to engage in any form of gaming PAY to be bullied, dictated to, threatened,  told their opinions are not important or wanted,  etc?

I mean,  it's like those people who pay women to beat, spit and piss on them...
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« Reply #1746 on: June 23, 2022, 04:22:22 PM »
So you are talking about Sicknick. I'd like to see your evidence that he was "beat over the head with a fire extinguisher".

I don't think that Sicknick was hit on the head with a fire extinguisher. The police only said that he was injured, and someone claimed it was a fire extinguisher that was repeated in several media outlets at the time. However, there were several other officers who were hit on the head with a fire extinguisher during the riots. Robert Palmer and Robert Sanford were both convicted of separate incidents of throwing a fire extinguisher at policeman's heads. Here's video of one of the incidents.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sip2z2w8BrQ

So I think Mistwell is incorrect specifically regarding Sicknick, but there were multiple officers hit on the head with a fire extinguisher by rioters, so this doesn't show the rioters as peaceful. Posters have claimed that the rioters were only guilty of trespass and vandalism at most, and that they didn't hurt anyone - which is demonstrably false. I don't think they murdered anyone, but they certainly hurt people.

I agree that people got hurt, but Mistwell explicitly and repeatedly claimed that "an officer" was beat (hit repeatedly) over the head with a fire extinguisher. A claim made popular by the media at the time, that was and has been repeated by gullible people who have a rhetorical interest in making the Jan 6 riots sound as terrible as they can, at the expense of accuracy and truth.

While we can disagree about WHICH officer was hit over the head with a fire extinguisher and how many times, it's fact that an officer was in fact hit in the head by at least one fire extinguisher, and that a second officer was in fact hit by a second fire extinguisher. It's a claim "made popular" because it's TRUE and substantiated by video evidence, and that evidence is dramatic and therefore something the news would cover.

The only gullible people involved with that conversation are those in denial over the facts that did happen and who either refuse to examine the evidence for themselves or who engage in torturous logic to try and escape cognitive dissonance over the fact that did happen.

There is video evidence of at least two fire extinguishers being thrown and hitting police. One definitely hit a police officer in the head, and the other was thrown down from a balcony onto police. The first was thrown by Robert Sanford, who has been arrested and is awaiting trial. The later was done by Robert Palmer who was convicted to a 63 month sentence.

Devlyn Thompson was convicted of assaulting a police officer with a metal baton, sentenced to 46 months in prison.

Lonnie Leroy Coffman was convicted for 46 months in prison for possession of unregistered weapons. In the truck he brought to the capital on Jan 6 were molotov cocktails, a 9mm handgun, a rifle, a shotgun, hundreds of rounds of ammunition, large-capacity ammunition feeding devices, a crossbow with bolts, machetes, camouflage and gas-filled Mason jars used to make napalm.

Nicholas Languerand was sentenced to 44 months in prison for assault on police officers. He had tried to spear officers, and at the time texted  “Violence isn’t always the answer but in the face of tyranny violence may be the only answer,” and “Next time we come back with rifles.”

There are a lot more still waiting on trial. But don't fucking tell me this was all just peaceful trespassers who were invited in and wandered the halls.

Again, IF ANTIFA DID ANY OF THESE THINGS NONE OF YOU GUYS WOULD BE DISMISSING IT LIKE YOU'VE TRIED TO DISMISS WHAT HAPPENED ON JAN 6. My point remains valid - extremists regardless of political affiliation can and have been violent assholes.

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« Reply #1747 on: June 23, 2022, 04:45:33 PM »
So you are talking about Sicknick. I'd like to see your evidence that he was "beat over the head with a fire extinguisher".

I don't think that Sicknick was hit on the head with a fire extinguisher. The police only said that he was injured, and someone claimed it was a fire extinguisher that was repeated in several media outlets at the time. However, there were several other officers who were hit on the head with a fire extinguisher during the riots. Robert Palmer and Robert Sanford were both convicted of separate incidents of throwing a fire extinguisher at policeman's heads. Here's video of one of the incidents.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sip2z2w8BrQ

So I think Mistwell is incorrect specifically regarding Sicknick, but there were multiple officers hit on the head with a fire extinguisher by rioters, so this doesn't show the rioters as peaceful. Posters have claimed that the rioters were only guilty of trespass and vandalism at most, and that they didn't hurt anyone - which is demonstrably false. I don't think they murdered anyone, but they certainly hurt people.

I agree that people got hurt, but Mistwell explicitly and repeatedly claimed that "an officer" was beat (hit repeatedly) over the head with a fire extinguisher. A claim made popular by the media at the time, that was and has been repeated by gullible people who have a rhetorical interest in making the Jan 6 riots sound as terrible as they can, at the expense of accuracy and truth.

While we can disagree about WHICH officer was hit over the head with a fire extinguisher and how many times, it's fact that an officer was in fact hit in the head by at least one fire extinguisher, and that a second officer was in fact hit by a second fire extinguisher. It's a claim "made popular" because it's TRUE and substantiated by video evidence, and that evidence is dramatic and therefore something the news would cover.

The only gullible people involved with that conversation are those in denial over the facts that did happen and who either refuse to examine the evidence for themselves or who engage in torturous logic to try and escape cognitive dissonance over the fact that did happen.

There is video evidence of at least two fire extinguishers being thrown and hitting police. One definitely hit a police officer in the head, and the other was thrown down from a balcony onto police. The first was thrown by Robert Sanford, who has been arrested and is awaiting trial. The later was done by Robert Palmer who was convicted to a 63 month sentence.

Devlyn Thompson was convicted of assaulting a police officer with a metal baton, sentenced to 46 months in prison.

Lonnie Leroy Coffman was convicted for 46 months in prison for possession of unregistered weapons. In the truck he brought to the capital on Jan 6 were molotov cocktails, a 9mm handgun, a rifle, a shotgun, hundreds of rounds of ammunition, large-capacity ammunition feeding devices, a crossbow with bolts, machetes, camouflage and gas-filled Mason jars used to make napalm.

Nicholas Languerand was sentenced to 44 months in prison for assault on police officers. He had tried to spear officers, and at the time texted  “Violence isn’t always the answer but in the face of tyranny violence may be the only answer,” and “Next time we come back with rifles.”

There are a lot more still waiting on trial. But don't fucking tell me this was all just peaceful trespassers who were invited in and wandered the halls.

Again, IF ANTIFA DID ANY OF THESE THINGS NONE OF YOU GUYS WOULD BE DISMISSING IT LIKE YOU'VE TRIED TO DISMISS WHAT HAPPENED ON JAN 6. My point remains valid - extremists regardless of political affiliation can and have been violent assholes.
Yeah, you're just lying and being deceptive.

Sicknick died of natural causes. That's what the ME said, and the ME had every incentive to blame the mostly peaceful protesters. You've doubled down on that falsehood, rather than being honest and admitting you're wrong. Instead, you're trying to shift the goalposts from your completely false claim that the mostly peaceful protesters murdered cops to maybe a few got hit.

Which more or less matches what everyone else has said, despite your contorted attempts to claim that people are somehow denying anything except your lies.

Plus, if you want to bring in Antifa, how many people were murdered during the 2020 Summer of Insurrection, Arson, and Democratic Politicians Almost Universally Supporting Armed Rebellion?

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« Reply #1748 on: June 23, 2022, 04:55:11 PM »
OK, for the rightards:

BLM violence began after decades of police abusing, beating, framing abd murdering blacks are far higher rates than whites. It began after cases of police clearly murdering blacks and getting away with it began getting caught on video.

The trumptards rioted because they lost an election.
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« Reply #1749 on: June 23, 2022, 04:57:53 PM »
So you are talking about Sicknick. I'd like to see your evidence that he was "beat over the head with a fire extinguisher".

I don't think that Sicknick was hit on the head with a fire extinguisher. The police only said that he was injured, and someone claimed it was a fire extinguisher that was repeated in several media outlets at the time. However, there were several other officers who were hit on the head with a fire extinguisher during the riots. Robert Palmer and Robert Sanford were both convicted of separate incidents of throwing a fire extinguisher at policeman's heads. Here's video of one of the incidents.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sip2z2w8BrQ

So I think Mistwell is incorrect specifically regarding Sicknick, but there were multiple officers hit on the head with a fire extinguisher by rioters, so this doesn't show the rioters as peaceful. Posters have claimed that the rioters were only guilty of trespass and vandalism at most, and that they didn't hurt anyone - which is demonstrably false. I don't think they murdered anyone, but they certainly hurt people.

I agree that people got hurt, but Mistwell explicitly and repeatedly claimed that "an officer" was beat (hit repeatedly) over the head with a fire extinguisher. A claim made popular by the media at the time, that was and has been repeated by gullible people who have a rhetorical interest in making the Jan 6 riots sound as terrible as they can, at the expense of accuracy and truth.

While we can disagree about WHICH officer was hit over the head with a fire extinguisher and how many times, it's fact that an officer was in fact hit in the head by at least one fire extinguisher, and that a second officer was in fact hit by a second fire extinguisher. It's a claim "made popular" because it's TRUE and substantiated by video evidence, and that evidence is dramatic and therefore something the news would cover.

The only gullible people involved with that conversation are those in denial over the facts that did happen and who either refuse to examine the evidence for themselves or who engage in torturous logic to try and escape cognitive dissonance over the fact that did happen.

There is video evidence of at least two fire extinguishers being thrown and hitting police. One definitely hit a police officer in the head, and the other was thrown down from a balcony onto police. The first was thrown by Robert Sanford, who has been arrested and is awaiting trial. The later was done by Robert Palmer who was convicted to a 63 month sentence.

Devlyn Thompson was convicted of assaulting a police officer with a metal baton, sentenced to 46 months in prison.

Lonnie Leroy Coffman was convicted for 46 months in prison for possession of unregistered weapons. In the truck he brought to the capital on Jan 6 were molotov cocktails, a 9mm handgun, a rifle, a shotgun, hundreds of rounds of ammunition, large-capacity ammunition feeding devices, a crossbow with bolts, machetes, camouflage and gas-filled Mason jars used to make napalm.

Nicholas Languerand was sentenced to 44 months in prison for assault on police officers. He had tried to spear officers, and at the time texted  “Violence isn’t always the answer but in the face of tyranny violence may be the only answer,” and “Next time we come back with rifles.”

There are a lot more still waiting on trial. But don't fucking tell me this was all just peaceful trespassers who were invited in and wandered the halls.

Again, IF ANTIFA DID ANY OF THESE THINGS NONE OF YOU GUYS WOULD BE DISMISSING IT LIKE YOU'VE TRIED TO DISMISS WHAT HAPPENED ON JAN 6. My point remains valid - extremists regardless of political affiliation can and have been violent assholes.
Yeah, you're just lying and being deceptive.

Sicknick died of natural causes. That's what the ME said, and the ME had every incentive to blame the mostly peaceful protesters. You've doubled down on that falsehood, rather than being honest and admitting you're wrong. Instead, you're trying to shift the goalposts from your completely false claim that the mostly peaceful protesters murdered cops to maybe a few got hit.

Which more or less matches what everyone else has said, despite your contorted attempts to claim that people are somehow denying anything except your lies.

Plus, if you want to bring in Antifa, how many people were murdered during the 2020 Summer of Insurrection, Arson, and Democratic Politicians Almost Universally Supporting Armed Rebellion?
Also, remember noted antifa goon Eric Clanton?  He got 3 years probation for striking a victim in the head with a bike lock.  Seems like a bit of a light sentence for 4 counts of felony assault ...

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« Reply #1750 on: June 23, 2022, 04:58:57 PM »
  Antifa sort of set the standard as to what we are allowed to let go on, accept, understand rioting is the voice of the unheard, really understand what a mostly peaceful protest looks like.  Had Jan 6 come before burning, looting, and murdering I am sure there would a different tone as to how it was looked upon.  But...the powers that be, the press, etc decided mostly peaceful means building engulfed in flames and people looting and rioting in the backdrop, often with people murdered by those looters or dying in those fires.  Decisions about how to frame things have consequences, decisions to abandon principles and standards has consequences.  I think being sad the right has decided to start adopting the left's ability to just ignore standards and principles when it suits them  is a waste of energy.   It just looks like everyone is finally headed towards adopting one rule book, because for the most part, one rule book seems very thick, and the other rule book seems to have one rule (just win!).    Things will get interesting if this trend to everyone having the same rules (basically Alinsky's rules) continues.   This was a great source of angst for the main stream press as they constantly tried to explain to those on the right how much of a christian trump was not (as if any of those motherfuckers give two shits about christianity) and how sinful he was.  The response of dont give a fudge and rather win was LMAO to me.   Interesting times.

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« Reply #1751 on: June 23, 2022, 05:00:11 PM »
OK, for the rightards:

BLM violence began after decades of police abusing, beating, framing abd murdering blacks are far higher rates than whites. It began after cases of police clearly murdering blacks and getting away with it began getting caught on video.

The trumptards rioted because they lost an election.

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« Reply #1752 on: June 23, 2022, 05:03:48 PM »
OK, for the rightards:

BLM violence began after decades of police abusing, beating, framing abd murdering blacks are far higher rates than whites. It began after cases of police clearly murdering blacks and getting away with it began getting caught on video.

The trumptards rioted because they lost an election.

  No, it started on a big fucking lie.  Hands up dont shoot.  Trumptards rioted because you dumbasses showed if you want to act a fool in the streets it will be called "mostly peaceful protesting".  Decide you want to change the rules and standards we live by, learn to live with the consequences.

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« Reply #1753 on: June 23, 2022, 05:44:59 PM »
So you are talking about Sicknick. I'd like to see your evidence that he was "beat over the head with a fire extinguisher".

I don't think that Sicknick was hit on the head with a fire extinguisher. The police only said that he was injured, and someone claimed it was a fire extinguisher that was repeated in several media outlets at the time. However, there were several other officers who were hit on the head with a fire extinguisher during the riots. Robert Palmer and Robert Sanford were both convicted of separate incidents of throwing a fire extinguisher at policeman's heads. Here's video of one of the incidents.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sip2z2w8BrQ

So I think Mistwell is incorrect specifically regarding Sicknick, but there were multiple officers hit on the head with a fire extinguisher by rioters, so this doesn't show the rioters as peaceful. Posters have claimed that the rioters were only guilty of trespass and vandalism at most, and that they didn't hurt anyone - which is demonstrably false. I don't think they murdered anyone, but they certainly hurt people.

I agree that people got hurt, but Mistwell explicitly and repeatedly claimed that "an officer" was beat (hit repeatedly) over the head with a fire extinguisher. A claim made popular by the media at the time, that was and has been repeated by gullible people who have a rhetorical interest in making the Jan 6 riots sound as terrible as they can, at the expense of accuracy and truth.

While we can disagree about WHICH officer was hit over the head with a fire extinguisher and how many times, it's fact that an officer was in fact hit in the head by at least one fire extinguisher, and that a second officer was in fact hit by a second fire extinguisher. It's a claim "made popular" because it's TRUE and substantiated by video evidence, and that evidence is dramatic and therefore something the news would cover.

The only gullible people involved with that conversation are those in denial over the facts that did happen and who either refuse to examine the evidence for themselves or who engage in torturous logic to try and escape cognitive dissonance over the fact that did happen.

There is video evidence of at least two fire extinguishers being thrown and hitting police. One definitely hit a police officer in the head, and the other was thrown down from a balcony onto police. The first was thrown by Robert Sanford, who has been arrested and is awaiting trial. The later was done by Robert Palmer who was convicted to a 63 month sentence.

Devlyn Thompson was convicted of assaulting a police officer with a metal baton, sentenced to 46 months in prison.

Lonnie Leroy Coffman was convicted for 46 months in prison for possession of unregistered weapons. In the truck he brought to the capital on Jan 6 were molotov cocktails, a 9mm handgun, a rifle, a shotgun, hundreds of rounds of ammunition, large-capacity ammunition feeding devices, a crossbow with bolts, machetes, camouflage and gas-filled Mason jars used to make napalm.

Nicholas Languerand was sentenced to 44 months in prison for assault on police officers. He had tried to spear officers, and at the time texted  “Violence isn’t always the answer but in the face of tyranny violence may be the only answer,” and “Next time we come back with rifles.”

There are a lot more still waiting on trial. But don't fucking tell me this was all just peaceful trespassers who were invited in and wandered the halls.

Again, IF ANTIFA DID ANY OF THESE THINGS NONE OF YOU GUYS WOULD BE DISMISSING IT LIKE YOU'VE TRIED TO DISMISS WHAT HAPPENED ON JAN 6. My point remains valid - extremists regardless of political affiliation can and have been violent assholes.
Yeah, you're just lying and being deceptive.

Sicknick died of natural causes. That's what the ME said, and the ME had every incentive to blame the mostly peaceful protesters. You've doubled down on that falsehood, rather than being honest and admitting you're wrong. Instead, you're trying to shift the goalposts from your completely false claim that the mostly peaceful protesters murdered cops to maybe a few got hit.

Which more or less matches what everyone else has said, despite your contorted attempts to claim that people are somehow denying anything except your lies.

Plus, if you want to bring in Antifa, how many people were murdered during the 2020 Summer of Insurrection, Arson, and Democratic Politicians Almost Universally Supporting Armed Rebellion?

*I* want to bring in Antifa? Oh Pat, you've gotten lost mate. Follow the conversation. Where is it you think we started my man?

The point all along has been about comparing Antifa violence to Jan 6 violence and people claiming Jan 6 was non-violent, with me saying no they were in fact violent.  Sicknick was just one in many many points I made to demonstrate they were also violent on Jan 6. I've proven it was violent and rather than talk to that point you want to focus on trying to play gotcha without ever speaking to the issue we're talking about. You got so far from the point that you now think I am the one bringing Antifa to the conversation. Fuck dude, there is a forest around you. Stop beating your head on that tree. Not me who brought Antifa to this conversation I am just responding to what others said. Or did you just forget what the heck we've been talking about?

Tell me Pat, do you agree with what was said, that on Jan 6 everyone in the capital was just "invited" in there by police, they were simply trespassing and wandering the halls, and that they were non-violent? Do you or do you not agree with that statement. Don't be a fucking politician about it, don't ask me to define what "is" is, just answer the simple question as to whether you think that is an accurate assessment of what happened or not.

Because if you don't agree with that statement, I want you to hold the people accountable for saying that at least as much as you have a bug up your ass about Sicknick which was never my point to begin with but that statement WAS the point those guys were making.
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« Reply #1754 on: June 23, 2022, 05:50:08 PM »
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Jesus another one who can't follow the conversation.

Hey asshole, we're all just responding to the point made about Antifa and Jan 6, not starting that point. If you can't follow the conversation, then sit back and review it first before responding or don't f'ing respond.