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Author Topic: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)  (Read 306651 times)

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Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
« Reply #570 on: December 14, 2021, 10:27:43 AM »
Believe all women, especially when it's for someone we find politically inconvenient (as opposed to Gropey Joe).

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/randall-receives-a-%F0%9F%9A%AB-thirty-day-ban.890917/

I have no great love for Assange, but I'm mighty suspicious about how some of those 'charges' popped into being. But they can't have that, and so Randall gets the boot for a month.

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Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
« Reply #571 on: December 14, 2021, 01:20:47 PM »
I have no great love for Assange, but I'm mighty suspicious about how some of those 'charges' popped into being. But they can't have that, and so Randall gets the boot for a month.
Ah, and a "baseless conspiracy theory" to boot. Funny how everything is a "baseless conspiracy theory" if it reflects poorly on the Left, but CNN's hoax-of-the-week is always greeted with eager credulity.

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Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
« Reply #572 on: December 14, 2021, 07:46:42 PM »
What isn’t a sore subject at TBP?

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Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
« Reply #573 on: December 14, 2021, 08:06:01 PM »
Believe all women, especially when it's for someone we find politically inconvenient (as opposed to Gropey Joe).

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/randall-receives-a-%F0%9F%9A%AB-thirty-day-ban.890917/

I have no great love for Assange, but I'm mighty suspicious about how some of those 'charges' popped into being. But they can't have that, and so Randall gets the boot for a month.

Randall forgot Rule 1: Believe all women that we like

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Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
« Reply #575 on: December 15, 2021, 07:10:50 AM »
May I ask, what exactly is "TBP"? I found myself interested in this thread after receiving a 30-day ban from RPG.net for objecting to a moderator publicly libeling me.
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Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
« Reply #576 on: December 15, 2021, 07:55:04 AM »
May I ask, what exactly is "TBP"? I found myself interested in this thread after receiving a 30-day ban from RPG.net for objecting to a moderator publicly libeling me.
The Big Purple, aka RPGnet. Refers to their color scheme.

EDIT: It appears you've been permabanned for sockpuppeting there (whether you were or not). Might as well make yourself comfortable here.

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Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
« Reply #577 on: December 15, 2021, 07:56:22 AM »
The Banning Place
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Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
« Reply #578 on: December 15, 2021, 08:53:04 AM »
May I ask, what exactly is "TBP"? I found myself interested in this thread after receiving a 30-day ban from RPG.net for objecting to a moderator publicly libeling me.
The Big Purple, aka RPGnet. Refers to their color scheme.

EDIT: It appears you've been permabanned for sockpuppeting there (whether you were or not). Might as well make yourself comfortable here.

Wow, they are bizarre. Wasn't doing any such thing.

Incidentally, I've been reading up here and elsewhere on the incredible number of problems that people have had with their moderators, and it's frankly shocking the extent to which this problem has proliferated. I didn't even know the site was originally founded by Sandy Antunes, and I have great respect for some of his work from back in the 1990s. Of course, he's no longer the owner of the site, now.

But, it's just absolutely bizarre how they allow their moderators to falsely malign people and have no real accountability for the moderation staff. If you read the thread which lead to my 30-day ban, you can see quite clearly that my initial post in the thread was completely innocuous, and was met with a tidal wave of hostility that falsely characterised what I even said. The only argument I made was that it costs less to reproduce a PDF file than it does to print a book, and one of the moderators there accused me of arguing that creators shouldn't or don't deserve to get paid a fair price for their work, a position that I pointed out would be self-defeating, since I happen to be a creator in this industry, and I like to get paid too. When I demanded a retraction and an apology on the grounds that I never said or even came close to implying what the moderator was accusing me of having said, and used the Report feature on that comment, I got a 30-day ban.

By their own rules, if a mod posts a regular user post, one is supposed to use the Report feature to Report it, but I was banned for "abuse of the Report feature", because I reported a Mod, even though I followed their own established procedure.
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Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
« Reply #579 on: December 15, 2021, 09:05:45 AM »
Oh, and I haven't even mentioned the absolute cowardice of the moderators over there, who hide behind pseudonyms while attacking publicly identified people under color of their moderation authority. I have to be publicly identified, because my ability to market my creations depends upon having the integrity to be recognised and identified with my work, but the people who engage in extremely unethical "moderation" at RPG.net get to hide behind a shield of anonymity, and there is effectively no real appeals process or accountability, despite what they claim.

I note that people have in the past attempted to appeal directly to the site owners and have been summarily rebuffed.

Ah well, now that they've permabanned me, I can slag them off all I like, and there's nothing more than can do to me. :D
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Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
« Reply #580 on: December 15, 2021, 09:45:12 AM »
May I ask, what exactly is "TBP"? I found myself interested in this thread after receiving a 30-day ban from RPG.net for objecting to a moderator publicly libeling me.
The Big Purple, aka RPGnet. Refers to their color scheme.

EDIT: It appears you've been permabanned for sockpuppeting there (whether you were or not). Might as well make yourself comfortable here.

Wow, they are bizarre. Wasn't doing any such thing.

Incidentally, I've been reading up here and elsewhere on the incredible number of problems that people have had with their moderators, and it's frankly shocking the extent to which this problem has proliferated. I didn't even know the site was originally founded by Sandy Antunes, and I have great respect for some of his work from back in the 1990s. Of course, he's no longer the owner of the site, now.

But, it's just absolutely bizarre how they allow their moderators to falsely malign people and have no real accountability for the moderation staff. If you read the thread which lead to my 30-day ban, you can see quite clearly that my initial post in the thread was completely innocuous, and was met with a tidal wave of hostility that falsely characterised what I even said. The only argument I made was that it costs less to reproduce a PDF file than it does to print a book, and one of the moderators there accused me of arguing that creators shouldn't or don't deserve to get paid a fair price for their work, a position that I pointed out would be self-defeating, since I happen to be a creator in this industry, and I like to get paid too. When I demanded a retraction and an apology on the grounds that I never said or even came close to implying what the moderator was accusing me of having said, and used the Report feature on that comment, I got a 30-day ban.

By their own rules, if a mod posts a regular user post, one is supposed to use the Report feature to Report it, but I was banned for "abuse of the Report feature", because I reported a Mod, even though I followed their own established procedure.
Reporting a mod? Yeah, not happening.

I went through the thread in question. I thought it got a little heated. But because TBP mods are fragile snowflakes, you're not allowed to criticize or question them. Ever.


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Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
« Reply #581 on: December 15, 2021, 12:24:44 PM »
Heated? When someone maligns me publicly and accuses me of arguing something I never said, and does so in full knowledge of the fact that their status as moderator is going to make people believe it whether or not it's true, you're damn right I'm going to get heated, for good cause.

' If you don’t want to pay a fair price for the creative work that goes into developing a game book, you do not have to buy the book. But it is not kind to argue that game creators are unreasonable for wishing to make a living from their work. '

I never argued any such thing. All I said was PDFs cost less to produce than physical books, and Patrick O'Duffy (who literally just got off a three day ban for outrageous hostility against another user, check the Infractions from the other day) jumped all over me making false accusations, then multiple other users jumped on and dogpiled me with some really nasty comments, culminating in Arethusa libelling me.

That is some seriously unethical stuff, right there.

And what's even funnier is how they continued arguing about irrelevancies, never once actually addressing what "substantially lower" might actually mean. Let's say a physical book costs $50. If a PDF version sells for $40, that's a 20% discount. Now again, I'm not arguing specific numbers, but would you say 20% is "significantly lower"? I think a lot of people would. What if the PDF were $30, or even $25? Now we're talking a full 50% discount, yet I guarantee you some people would say that's too expensive. I, on the other hand, didn't say any such thing. All I said was, a PDF *should* cost substantially less, and left it open-ended.

I *am* a game creator. These dunderheads have convinced themselves I am arguing that I myself am being unreasonable for wishing to make a living from my work.

I didn't say a single thing in that thread that will embarrass me later. The others? Not so much. The written record stands and is clear as day.
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Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
« Reply #582 on: December 15, 2021, 12:44:26 PM »
I admit I'm a little detached, since I wasn't involved in the thread.

I personally would love to see a comprehensive analysis of costs for PDF distribution versus dead-tree publication. They latched onto the 'creator costs' pretty hard (presumably because they know they're about as competent at money management as they are in, well, everything else).

But of course, it's easier for TBP's ball-washers and their mods to just get up on their high horse, sneer at anyone not following the party line, and ban them when they get uppity. Know your place, peasant.

We may yell at each other, insult each other, and get bitchy here, but at least we're not hypocritical fucknuggets who cook up reasons to ban people.

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Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
« Reply #583 on: December 15, 2021, 03:02:48 PM »
Oh, and I haven't even mentioned the absolute cowardice of the moderators over there, who hide behind pseudonyms while attacking publicly identified people under color of their moderation authority. I have to be publicly identified, because my ability to market my creations depends upon having the integrity to be recognised and identified with my work, but the people who engage in extremely unethical "moderation" at RPG.net get to hide behind a shield of anonymity, and there is effectively no real appeals process or accountability, despite what they claim.

Avaia, did you only noticed the problem after they banned you?

Nothing came up before that happened that seemed a little off?
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Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
« Reply #584 on: December 15, 2021, 03:10:26 PM »
Oh, of course this wasn't the first incident.
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