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Author Topic: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)  (Read 306717 times)

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Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
« Reply #510 on: November 17, 2021, 06:14:44 AM »
Supposedly, they found guy #4, aka 'Jump Kick Man'.

To absolutely no one's surprise, he was out on probation following a conviction for domestic violence, and he's got a nice long rap sheet.

I mean, this is almost ludicrous. Everyone who was attacking Rittenhouse and was subsequently shot at is turning out to be at best contemptible and at worse 'born to hang'. If you'd slotted this angle into a story I'd have laughed it off as unrealistic.

I want to address something from Funkadelic's sanctimonious snark at DM Curt here.

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People's past behavior, doesn't excuse shooting them in the street.
No, it doesn't, but at the same time certain lefties really need to rethink this painting of people as 'heroes'.

They weren't heroes. They were NEVER heroes. Their actions, right up until they were shot, were not heroic.

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« Reply #511 on: November 17, 2021, 06:51:43 AM »
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But people's 10-year old juvenile blog posts justify cancelling them and running them out of the industry/hobby...

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« Reply #512 on: November 17, 2021, 07:17:27 AM »
I appear to have caught a ban for calling Rosenbaum a Pedo, Huber a Domestic Abuser and Grosskreutz a Burglar.

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« Reply #513 on: November 17, 2021, 09:46:11 AM »
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Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
« Reply #514 on: November 17, 2021, 10:11:29 AM »
I recall a game, Circus Imperium or somesuch set in the Renegade Legion universe, where you as charioteer had the option of whipping your beasts to get them to run faster. Each time you whipped your beasts, a roll was made to see if they turned on you and ate you. Black humor, baked in, but can one object?

Well, at least the beasts get a chance to get their own back at you. That redresses my sense of justice somewhat. :)

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...A pirate game where pirates sack towns and take treasure and slaves sounds about the same level of odium as that card game where the players portray pimps with their stables of sex slaves.* I'd rather play the pirate game.

Or Cards Against Humanity, which is deliberately structured to create amusement through completing phrases as offensively as possible. I've never played it myself, but I can easily imagine hitting some card combo that would squick me out enough to seriously mitigate the fun factor (and if I suspected another player was picking combos in a deliberate attempt to offend me personally, that would be reason enough never to play with that person again).

(In case nobody has noticed, I have a very large streak of priggish prude in my nature, but I at least try to admit it and compensate for it.)

It basically comes down to a fundamental question: Should seriously immoral or criminal activities be treated as fit subjects for jokes or sympathetic entertainment, especially if the result of doing so is at best to teach audiences to dismiss those issues as insignificant, and at worst may actually wind up encouraging audiences to partake in them?  One can wholly support the right of free speech that says no law should attempt to restrict this, while still making an argument for supporting cultural mores that discourage it. I have no problem with a game like Pimp! existing, so long as it has the appropriate warning labels, it isn't sold to children, and I have the right to say what I think of it and to ignore its fans gushing about it without putting my freedom or livelihood at stake.
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« Reply #515 on: November 17, 2021, 10:23:12 AM »
I recall a game, Circus Imperium or somesuch set in the Renegade Legion universe, where you as charioteer had the option of whipping your beasts to get them to run faster. Each time you whipped your beasts, a roll was made to see if they turned on you and ate you. Black humor, baked in, but can one object?

Well, at least the beasts get a chance to get their own back at you. That redresses my sense of justice somewhat. :)

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...A pirate game where pirates sack towns and take treasure and slaves sounds about the same level of odium as that card game where the players portray pimps with their stables of sex slaves.* I'd rather play the pirate game.

Or Cards Against Humanity, which is deliberately structured to create amusement through completing phrases as offensively as possible. I've never played it myself, but I can easily imagine hitting some card combo that would squick me out enough to seriously mitigate the fun factor (and if I suspected another player was picking combos in a deliberate attempt to offend me personally, that would be reason enough never to play with that person again).

(In case nobody has noticed, I have a very large streak of priggish prude in my nature, but I at least try to admit it and compensate for it.)

It basically comes down to a fundamental question: Should seriously immoral or criminal activities be treated as fit subjects for jokes or sympathetic entertainment, especially if the result of doing so is at best to teach audiences to dismiss those issues as insignificant, and at worst may actually wind up encouraging audiences to partake in them?  One can wholly support the right of free speech that says no law should attempt to restrict this, while still making an argument for supporting cultural mores that discourage it. I have no problem with a game like Pimp! existing, so long as it has the appropriate warning labels, it isn't sold to children, and I have the right to say what I think of it and to ignore its fans gushing about it without putting my freedom or livelihood at stake.

That's why games like Cards Against Humanity ( I have played it, you can get some seriously fucked-up results) should only be played by adults who (1) are mature enough to understand that trying to elicit a response for you to win that round isn't tacit approval of the concept associated with the result, and (2) by adults who are intelligent enough to be able to come up with fucked up concepts to begin with.

I recently played a game of CAH a few weeks ago.  During one round, the holder of the black card read off the phrase "She's up all night for romance, I'm up all night for ____." The winner of that round threw in a white card that read "...whatever you wish, mother.'

Seriously fucked up concepts involving the idea of a man sleeping with his own mother - but everyone playing already understands that it is intended to elicit the holder of the black card to pick the most humorous, disgusting, or twisted result of pairing the black card with the white card, not to elicit an acceptance or tolerance of, in this case, incest...

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« Reply #516 on: November 18, 2021, 11:23:55 AM »
Or Cards Against Humanity, which is deliberately structured to create amusement through completing phrases as offensively as possible. I've never played it myself, but I can easily imagine hitting some card combo that would squick me out enough to seriously mitigate the fun factor (and if I suspected another player was picking combos in a deliberate attempt to offend me personally, that would be reason enough never to play with that person again).

Oh, that damned game. Yes, I've played it. I told my friends I never want to be exposed to that game again. Some people seem to think that any horridly disgusting thing is fair play so long at it's portrayed "ironically". A game like that is indeed against humanity.

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(In case nobody has noticed, I have a very large streak of priggish prude in my nature, but I at least try to admit it and compensate for it.)

It basically comes down to a fundamental question: Should seriously immoral or criminal activities be treated as fit subjects for jokes or sympathetic entertainment, especially if the result of doing so is at best to teach audiences to dismiss those issues as insignificant, and at worst may actually wind up encouraging audiences to partake in them?  One can wholly support the right of free speech that says no law should attempt to restrict this, while still making an argument for supporting cultural mores that discourage it. I have no problem with a game like Pimp! existing, so long as it has the appropriate warning labels, it isn't sold to children, and I have the right to say what I think of it and to ignore its fans gushing about it without putting my freedom or livelihood at stake.

Yes, that's about it. Unless, we want to get Platonic about the thing and build our ideal republic, but, in that case, I fear that all gaming will be dispensed with. Until we get serious about that, then, in this matter I think we are agreed.

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« Reply #517 on: November 18, 2021, 03:02:03 PM »
Some of you may remember that Silvercat Moonpaw ate a (frankly ridiculous) 30 day ban for pointing out how in some mythologies (Greek specifically) you made sacrifice to placate the gods.

This, of course, gave Bcaugust54 a fit of the vapors. https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/silvercat-moonpaw-receives-a-%F0%9F%9A%AB-thirty-day-ban-group-attacks-involving-religion.888271/

Well, Silvercat had to roll up a new account to get staff's attention because mysteriously, his/her/whatever's password didn't work, and the password recovery system wasn't functioning.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/silvercat-moonpaw-who-is-me-cant-recover-their-password.889731/

How curious. I wouldn't comment normally but it resembles what happened with Justin Alexander.

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« Reply #518 on: November 18, 2021, 05:23:51 PM »
Some of you may remember that Silvercat Moonpaw ate a (frankly ridiculous) 30 day ban for pointing out how in some mythologies (Greek specifically) you made sacrifice to placate the gods.

This, of course, gave Bcaugust54 a fit of the vapors. https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/silvercat-moonpaw-receives-a-%F0%9F%9A%AB-thirty-day-ban-group-attacks-involving-religion.888271/

Well, Silvercat had to roll up a new account to get staff's attention because mysteriously, his/her/whatever's password didn't work, and the password recovery system wasn't functioning.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/silvercat-moonpaw-who-is-me-cant-recover-their-password.889731/

How curious. I wouldn't comment normally but it resembles what happened with Justin Alexander.

TPB love their mortarboard and pointing stick, don't they?

All they banned me for was asking whether a professional boxer could crack an attack dog's skull in a fight. I didn't last a week there.

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« Reply #519 on: November 18, 2021, 06:29:11 PM »
Oh, that damned game. Yes, I've played it. I told my friends I never want to be exposed to that game again. Some people seem to think that any horridly disgusting thing is fair play so long at it's portrayed "ironically". A game like that is indeed against humanity.

I'm a bit more wishy-washy myself. I can easily imagine being outraged by some combos, but I can also easily imagine finding some of them hysterically funny. The example provided on Wikipedia, for example, was (black card): "Here is the church / Here is the steeple / Open the door / And see _________", and (white card): "A debate with Richard Dawkins." I'm a Catholic who thinks very little of Dawkins as a philosopher and deeply resents the damage he's trying to do to religion, but I still had to stifle a snort at that one.

It may be a moral flaw to find offensive humour funny, but that's one of those motes I think very few people can completely get out of their own eyes first. Again, it comes down to a context of trust and good faith; it's exactly because people are assumed to be "in on the joke" with each other that members of particular groups can insult each other with group slurs and find it funny, but outsiders can't.

Critical Privilege Theory (to broaden it to its full range of context), which TBP has clearly committed to, takes as a foundational principle the refusal to assume good faith, hence the Critical part. Their mistake is the failure to realize that you can't build a community without at some point relying on assumed good faith.  Like the Dwarves in The Last Battle, they have become so determined not to be taken in by others' bad faith that they cannot be taken out of their own.
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Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
« Reply #520 on: November 19, 2021, 07:24:27 AM »
https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/looking-for-well-worded-lines-of-reasoning-for-discussion-with-friend-who-believes-the-cancel-culture-is-a-threat-concept.889743/

At TBP they’ve moved from “There’s no such thing as Cancel Culture” to admitting cancel culture exists, but it’s not a threat. I suppose it’s a positive thing that they’re no longer trying to gaslight people that cancel culture doesn’t exist. It’s also sad that there are members who have to go to the internet to ask for help from their fellow members as to how to make an argument. It’s also pathetic that many of the respondents are “Woe is us, cancel culture mostly targets us lefties, if only we could cancel the normals!”

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« Reply #521 on: November 19, 2021, 01:46:21 PM »
Are the woketards crying over on The Purple Shithole over the Rittenhouse verdict?
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« Reply #522 on: November 19, 2021, 01:53:01 PM »
Are the woketards crying over on The Purple Shithole over the Rittenhouse verdict?

Yep.

American Legal system is dead.  Burn it all down.

Being an idiot doesn't absolve someone of murder.

Sick of this damned country.

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Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
« Reply #523 on: November 19, 2021, 02:59:54 PM »
Are the woketards crying over on The Purple Shithole over the Rittenhouse verdict?

Yep.

American Legal system is dead.  Burn it all down.

Being an idiot doesn't absolve someone of murder.

Sick of this damned country.
They locked the thread. Said they were getting a lot of reports. I was the only one that posted positively regarding the verdict, so 1 guess as to who is getting reported. I’m not sure what I’d be reported for. If they can’t find a violation I’m sure the mods will come up with a new rule. “No support for self-defense allowed on this forum!” Might be an approach they take.
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Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
« Reply #524 on: November 19, 2021, 03:14:39 PM »
They could use Rule 0, which is “we don’t like you. “ They will more likely say that because you said something about someone who opposed BLM, you must be a RACIST.

It happened with someone critical of Facebook’s censorship. Even though that post writer explicitly said he did not like Trump, he was concerned about the precedent being set. They banned him because in their logic, being against someone that is acting against Trump is the same as supporting Trump which is the same as being a Nazi.

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