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Author Topic: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)  (Read 306738 times)

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Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
« Reply #495 on: November 16, 2021, 02:43:43 PM »
EDIT: The thread posts regarding Rittenhouse are also amazingly bitter and unhappy. Cope and seethe, TBP.
That’s one are where we differ. Within the insane constraints of TBP I’m trying to prick the bubble of their echo chamber, so that if an acquittal (and that seems a strong possibility) does occur that some of the members at TBP don’t lose their shit to the point of needing to call a suicide hotline. A lot of them are still of a mind that Rittenhouse committed a crime crossing a state line. The more even the idea that an acquittal can occur I think the better able they’ll be able to handle it. The latest misconception I’ve seen over there is that the possession charge was dropped because the court allowed him to use a hunting exemption (“OMG, the racist court is saying it’s legal to hunt and kill liberals!”), when what’s happened is that the judge decided to stick with a strict and literal reading of the law. It wasn’t clear at the start of the trial that thr judge would.
I bear you no ill will and wish you the best of luck.

But I'm not gonna hold my breath either.

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Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
« Reply #496 on: November 16, 2021, 02:55:40 PM »
EDIT: The thread posts regarding Rittenhouse are also amazingly bitter and unhappy. Cope and seethe, TBP.
That’s one are where we differ. Within the insane constraints of TBP I’m trying to prick the bubble of their echo chamber, so that if an acquittal (and that seems a strong possibility) does occur that some of the members at TBP don’t lose their shit to the point of needing to call a suicide hotline. A lot of them are still of a mind that Rittenhouse committed a crime crossing a state line. The more even the idea that an acquittal can occur I think the better able they’ll be able to handle it. The latest misconception I’ve seen over there is that the possession charge was dropped because the court allowed him to use a hunting exemption (“OMG, the racist court is saying it’s legal to hunt and kill liberals!”), when what’s happened is that the judge decided to stick with a strict and literal reading of the law. It wasn’t clear at the start of the trial that thr judge would.
I bear you no ill will and wish you the best of luck.

But I'm not gonna hold my breath either.
Thank you. I’m sure at some point I’ll get the Rule 0 treatment, but it’s hard to not attempt to stop them from driving off a cliff. I have no illusions about changing their overall worldview, but everyone would be better off the more they can even conceive of a different worldview that they cannot simply and automatically dismiss as badthink.
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Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
« Reply #497 on: November 16, 2021, 03:06:42 PM »
EDIT: The thread posts regarding Rittenhouse are also amazingly bitter and unhappy. Cope and seethe, TBP.
That’s one are where we differ. Within the insane constraints of TBP I’m trying to prick the bubble of their echo chamber, so that if an acquittal (and that seems a strong possibility) does occur that some of the members at TBP don’t lose their shit to the point of needing to call a suicide hotline. A lot of them are still of a mind that Rittenhouse committed a crime crossing a state line. The more even the idea that an acquittal can occur I think the better able they’ll be able to handle it. The latest misconception I’ve seen over there is that the possession charge was dropped because the court allowed him to use a hunting exemption (“OMG, the racist court is saying it’s legal to hunt and kill liberals!”), when what’s happened is that the judge decided to stick with a strict and literal reading of the law. It wasn’t clear at the start of the trial that thr judge would.
I bear you no ill will and wish you the best of luck.

But I'm not gonna hold my breath either.
Thank you. I’m sure at some point I’ll get the Rule 0 treatment, but it’s hard to not attempt to stop them from driving off a cliff. I have no illusions about changing their overall worldview, but everyone would be better off the more they can even conceive of a different worldview that they cannot simply and automatically dismiss as badthink.

Greetings!

I hope everyone over at TBP drive themselves off a cliff when Rittenhouse is acquitted in court. I hope they all have seizures of rage and absolute despair. Let them weep, and sob hysterically, and gnash their teeth with endless impotency and anguish.

Semper Fidelis,

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Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
« Reply #498 on: November 16, 2021, 03:16:15 PM »
EDIT: The thread posts regarding Rittenhouse are also amazingly bitter and unhappy. Cope and seethe, TBP.
That’s one are where we differ. Within the insane constraints of TBP I’m trying to prick the bubble of their echo chamber, so that if an acquittal (and that seems a strong possibility) does occur that some of the members at TBP don’t lose their shit to the point of needing to call a suicide hotline. A lot of them are still of a mind that Rittenhouse committed a crime crossing a state line. The more even the idea that an acquittal can occur I think the better able they’ll be able to handle it. The latest misconception I’ve seen over there is that the possession charge was dropped because the court allowed him to use a hunting exemption (“OMG, the racist court is saying it’s legal to hunt and kill liberals!”), when what’s happened is that the judge decided to stick with a strict and literal reading of the law. It wasn’t clear at the start of the trial that thr judge would.

Their bubble has morphed into a giant solid iron sphere. We've seen people try to talk sense into them, and it only results in a ban and a double down (triple down, quadruple down...) on their stance.

I'm not saying, don't try. But I am saying don't get your hopes up.
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Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
« Reply #499 on: November 16, 2021, 03:25:41 PM »
EDIT: The thread posts regarding Rittenhouse are also amazingly bitter and unhappy. Cope and seethe, TBP.
That’s one are where we differ. Within the insane constraints of TBP I’m trying to prick the bubble of their echo chamber, so that if an acquittal (and that seems a strong possibility) does occur that some of the members at TBP don’t lose their shit to the point of needing to call a suicide hotline. A lot of them are still of a mind that Rittenhouse committed a crime crossing a state line. The more even the idea that an acquittal can occur I think the better able they’ll be able to handle it. The latest misconception I’ve seen over there is that the possession charge was dropped because the court allowed him to use a hunting exemption (“OMG, the racist court is saying it’s legal to hunt and kill liberals!”), when what’s happened is that the judge decided to stick with a strict and literal reading of the law. It wasn’t clear at the start of the trial that thr judge would.

Their bubble has morphed into a giant solid iron sphere. We've seen people try to talk sense into them, and it only results in a ban and a double down (triple down, quadruple down...) on their stance.

I'm not saying, don't try. But I am saying don't get your hopes up.

When is their domain name up for renewal?

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Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
« Reply #500 on: November 16, 2021, 04:00:55 PM »
I think this is approaching black-and-white thinking. Who wants to play a black game where all evils are ruled in? But, a game can be gray. One might purchase slaves to redeem them, but then never have the opportunity to do so, and find oneself obliged to sell them at a later date. Then one is technically a slave-trader, even though one had the best of intentions.

True. But the difference there is between what a game's setting makes possible for particular groups, and what its rules or basic assumptions encourage or mandate for players in general.

TBP is operating on the assumption that allowing the former amounts to the latter. I'm pointing out that it's a consistent position to object to the latter while still allowing room for the former.
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Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
« Reply #501 on: November 16, 2021, 04:25:10 PM »
What exactly raises red flags in entertainment?

A number of film franchises dwell on topics resembling torture porn. I know several people who wanted to see the movie Cannibal Holocaust because it is supposed to be one of the most extreme, offensive, shocking, and disgusting films ever made. The Gor RPG does have sex slaves (I’m pretty sure based on the source material). I’m not going to tell people not to play it, because next thing you know, someone will come after the games I actually like.

Veering away from the Cuties sub-topic and back towards RPGs specifically, I'd observe that one critical difference between books and movies vs. RPGs is that the latter involve active, participatory choices on the players' part; they're not just watching the protagonists' choices and the consequences, they're making those choices and deriving reward from those consequences -- on an imaginary and vicarious level only, it is true, but the type of psychological engagement is different.

The psychological reward can be different as well. Your example of the PC who is only technically a "slave-trader" through an unsuccessful attempt to free purchased slaves would be different from a player who engaged in the activity solely to make his PC rich, especially if that player (through his PC) appeared to be gleefully enjoying the fantasy of treating his imaginary slaves as badly or worse than real slavers treated their captives. Because it's all still wholly imaginary, there cannot really be an objective moral criticism of the second PC's actions or their consequences, but the slaver PC's player can't really claim surprise or insult when most people find that kind of fantasy repellent and offputting, either.

So I suppose the red flags are less a matter strictly of content in the entertainment, and more a matter of how the content is depicted, as well as what's observed when particular people interact with particular types of content. To depict is not to endorse, but some creative products do go as far as they can to endorse things without explicitly saying so, simply by virtue of the assumptions and actions they attribute to (ostensibly) sympathetic protagonists.  Any game or story has to have an antagonist/villain; it's when the games/stories treat the protagonists' ends as justifying means like those of the antagonist/villain that counts as a red flag, for me. (And even a red flag is only a warning, not a judgement.)
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Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
« Reply #502 on: November 16, 2021, 04:30:40 PM »
EDIT: The thread posts regarding Rittenhouse are also amazingly bitter and unhappy. Cope and seethe, TBP.
That’s one are where we differ. Within the insane constraints of TBP I’m trying to prick the bubble of their echo chamber, so that if an acquittal (and that seems a strong possibility) does occur that some of the members at TBP don’t lose their shit to the point of needing to call a suicide hotline. A lot of them are still of a mind that Rittenhouse committed a crime crossing a state line. The more even the idea that an acquittal can occur I think the better able they’ll be able to handle it. The latest misconception I’ve seen over there is that the possession charge was dropped because the court allowed him to use a hunting exemption (“OMG, the racist court is saying it’s legal to hunt and kill liberals!”), when what’s happened is that the judge decided to stick with a strict and literal reading of the law. It wasn’t clear at the start of the trial that thr judge would.

Their bubble has morphed into a giant solid iron sphere. We've seen people try to talk sense into them, and it only results in a ban and a double down (triple down, quadruple down...) on their stance.

I'm not saying, don't try. But I am saying don't get your hopes up.

When is their domain name up for renewal?

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Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
« Reply #503 on: November 16, 2021, 06:01:37 PM »
EDIT: The thread posts regarding Rittenhouse are also amazingly bitter and unhappy. Cope and seethe, TBP.
That’s one are where we differ. Within the insane constraints of TBP I’m trying to prick the bubble of their echo chamber, so that if an acquittal (and that seems a strong possibility) does occur that some of the members at TBP don’t lose their shit to the point of needing to call a suicide hotline. A lot of them are still of a mind that Rittenhouse committed a crime crossing a state line. The more even the idea that an acquittal can occur I think the better able they’ll be able to handle it. The latest misconception I’ve seen over there is that the possession charge was dropped because the court allowed him to use a hunting exemption (“OMG, the racist court is saying it’s legal to hunt and kill liberals!”), when what’s happened is that the judge decided to stick with a strict and literal reading of the law. It wasn’t clear at the start of the trial that thr judge would.

Their bubble has morphed into a giant solid iron sphere. We've seen people try to talk sense into them, and it only results in a ban and a double down (triple down, quadruple down...) on their stance.

I'm not saying, don't try. But I am saying don't get your hopes up.

Well, I am saying “don’t try!” These are people (technically) that know that not only are aware of being in a bubble that bans unapproved thoughts, but they praise said bubble.

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Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
« Reply #504 on: November 16, 2021, 06:04:42 PM »
Thank you. I’m sure at some point I’ll get the Rule 0 treatment, but it’s hard to not attempt to stop them from driving off a cliff.

In my experience, trying to stop someone from driving off a cliff only ends up with you off the same cliff. Just stop and enjoy the show.
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Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
« Reply #505 on: November 16, 2021, 06:21:05 PM »
Thank you. I’m sure at some point I’ll get the Rule 0 treatment, but it’s hard to not attempt to stop them from driving off a cliff.

In my experience, trying to stop someone from driving off a cliff only ends up with you off the same cliff. Just stop and enjoy the show.
You might be correct. As I posted in the trial thread there are posters at TBP that somehow believe the people Rittenhouse shot were black. The echo chamber they’ve formed may indeed be made of iron. How in the world anyone could be so misinformed is beyond my comprehension.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/mostly-us-non-election-law-stuff-megathread-iii-more-things-you-never-want-to-hear-a-judge-say.883092/post-24131826

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« Reply #506 on: November 16, 2021, 11:06:07 PM »
I appear to have caught a ban for calling Rosenbaum a Pedo, Huber a Domestic Abuser and Grosskreutz a Burglar.

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Hahaha ha. That's not a reason.  1 week.
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Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
« Reply #507 on: November 16, 2021, 11:23:03 PM »
I think this is approaching black-and-white thinking. Who wants to play a black game where all evils are ruled in? But, a game can be gray. One might purchase slaves to redeem them, but then never have the opportunity to do so, and find oneself obliged to sell them at a later date. Then one is technically a slave-trader, even though one had the best of intentions.

True. But the difference there is between what a game's setting makes possible for particular groups, and what its rules or basic assumptions encourage or mandate for players in general.

TBP is operating on the assumption that allowing the former amounts to the latter. I'm pointing out that it's a consistent position to object to the latter while still allowing room for the former.

I think we agree, then.

Some more musing:

I recall a game, Circus Imperium or somesuch set in the Renegade Legion universe, where you as charioteer had the option of whipping your beasts to get them to run faster. Each time you whipped your beasts, a roll was made to see if they turned on you and ate you. Black humor, baked in, but can one object?

What about the infinite number of war games (board games, I mean) where we used to jest about how we're sending some more canon fodder infantry into the fray. Again, baked in. I'm not even analyzing videogames with their unending queue of ritually acceptable killables.

Or that board game, Blood Royale, where the royal families can make rolls to see how many children the queen can pump out in a five year span without dying.

A pirate game where pirates sack towns and take treasure and slaves sounds about the same level of odium as that card game where the players portray pimps with their stables of sex slaves.* I'd rather play the pirate game.

* I recall the RPGnet fascists saying things like, "If you can't distinguish between a game featuring Hollywood pimps and the Holocaust, I can't pity you enough" They're full of pity, that lot.
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« Reply #508 on: November 16, 2021, 11:42:46 PM »
I appear to have caught a ban for calling Rosenbaum a Pedo, Huber a Domestic Abuser and Grosskreutz a Burglar.

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Hahaha ha. That's not a reason.  1 week.

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« Reply #509 on: November 16, 2021, 11:58:47 PM »
I appear to have caught a ban for calling Rosenbaum a Pedo, Huber a Domestic Abuser and Grosskreutz a Burglar.

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Hahaha ha. That's not a reason.  1 week.

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