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Author Topic: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)  (Read 306513 times)

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« Reply #480 on: November 14, 2021, 11:25:07 AM »
Oh and before someone objects “what about a movie like Cuties”? Notice that I mentioned talking and drawings earlier, not actual illegal actions or actions that potentially should be illegal, like involving kids in the production of ….whatever that film is.

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« Reply #481 on: November 14, 2021, 09:45:20 PM »
The only objectively offensive thing in Cannibal Holocaust is that the animal slayings are real - but the moviemakers objected that they filmed animal killings by indigenous tribes that would have happened anyway (Apocalypse Now used the same excuse). Most famously, the killings of the "actors" of the "movie within the movie" were so realistic (and the special effects so ingenious for the time) that a judge in Milan ordered to the production to show the actors in court and to re-enact some special effects (one of them, used to show the "impaling" of a woman, is so ingenious that I had no clue about how they did it until I read the explanation).

Re: Cuties it is a strong wannabe movie that wants to be "socially important" but doesn't reach above the level of "meh". And, yes, all the objectionable content is on the screen. I have nothing against *the idea* of 11 years old girls performing sexual dances in a movie: after all you need to portray what you are denouncing. There are, however, 100 cinematic techniques to *convey* the idea without showing it explicitly. There is no nudity, true, but the young girls dress and move in a very sexually explicit way right in front of the camera, and for very long sequences. I was amazed: literally, what were they thinking? ::)
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« Reply #482 on: November 15, 2021, 01:10:25 AM »

Re: Cuties it is a strong wannabe movie that wants to be "socially important" but doesn't reach above the level of "meh". And, yes, all the objectionable content is on the screen. I have nothing against *the idea* of 11 years old girls performing sexual dances in a movie: after all you need to portray what you are denouncing. There are, however, 100 cinematic techniques to *convey* the idea without showing it explicitly. There is no nudity, true, but the young girls dress and move in a very sexually explicit way right in front of the camera, and for very long sequences. I was amazed: literally, what were they thinking? ::)

What they were thinking is that America was ready for “preteen girls want to fuck”. They outright said it.

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« Reply #483 on: November 15, 2021, 07:51:41 AM »

Re: Cuties it is a strong wannabe movie that wants to be "socially important" but doesn't reach above the level of "meh". And, yes, all the objectionable content is on the screen. I have nothing against *the idea* of 11 years old girls performing sexual dances in a movie: after all you need to portray what you are denouncing. There are, however, 100 cinematic techniques to *convey* the idea without showing it explicitly. There is no nudity, true, but the young girls dress and move in a very sexually explicit way right in front of the camera, and for very long sequences. I was amazed: literally, what were they thinking? ::)

What they were thinking is that America was ready for “preteen girls want to fuck”. They outright said it.
Let's be honest, it's the same mindset that thought it would be a good idea for the San Francisco PedoGay Men's Choir to sing a song about how 'they're coming to convert your children'.

I mean, holy shit, nobody stopped and said 'You know, this really might not be a good idea'?

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« Reply #484 on: November 15, 2021, 08:53:22 AM »

Re: Cuties it is a strong wannabe movie that wants to be "socially important" but doesn't reach above the level of "meh". And, yes, all the objectionable content is on the screen. I have nothing against *the idea* of 11 years old girls performing sexual dances in a movie: after all you need to portray what you are denouncing. There are, however, 100 cinematic techniques to *convey* the idea without showing it explicitly. There is no nudity, true, but the young girls dress and move in a very sexually explicit way right in front of the camera, and for very long sequences. I was amazed: literally, what were they thinking? ::)

What they were thinking is that America was ready for “preteen girls want to fuck”. They outright said it.
Let's be honest, it's the same mindset that thought it would be a good idea for the San Francisco PedoGay Men's Choir to sing a song about how 'they're coming to convert your children'.

I mean, holy shit, nobody stopped and said 'You know, this really might not be a good idea'?

Which is the same mindset that considers it acceptable to have what is essentially child porn being taught as part of sex ed. classes in schools.  Same mindset that claims rioting is ok but self-defense isn't.  Same mindset that teaches kids that they have to be oppressors or oppressed.  Same mindset that... Well, you already get the idea.

We've continued to be extremely tolerant of extreme left ideas to the point that we've given them an inch and they want 10,000 miles.  Those in positions of authority are afraid to push back for fear of being labeled as intolerant.  No - I've think we've been more than tolerant enough already. Instead of worrying about labels, the response needs to be one of ridicule that leftists would expect that their fucked-up ideas would be accepted to begin with.

I mean, who looks at "hey let's have drag queens read stories to elementary school kids" and goes, "oh, ok. Yeah that makes total sense" other than the mentally ill or the weak-minded? Or someone who says "I'm this other thing that I've invented to feel better about my mental illness that isn't male or female." You either have a penis or you have a vagina.  It doesn't matter what you think you are - that's opinion rather than objective fact.  The *rare* true hermaphrodite is just that - rare.  No one has to acquiesce to your fucked-up belief that you're a female who likes to dress up in male furry animal costumes who is attracted to males that dress up like women somehow makes you not a female...

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« Reply #485 on: November 15, 2021, 09:34:22 AM »
You know, when I was a kid, I wanted to be trans. Transformers, that is.

Ch-ch-ch-ch! *runs around with his arms out like an airplane*

Of course, I was also ten years old.

This kind of supports the idea that a lot of these people have severely arrested development. I'm not talking just 'still collects MtG cards and Transformer toys as a hobby, when he's not busting his ass at work'. A lot of these weirdos... it's like they never grasped basic ideas like work ethic, or wanting to do a good job, or just being yourself. I grant a lot of us have had a long hard road to learning to like the person in the mirror, and we all have flaws, but these are people who never learned these lessons. So now they're empty shells, desperate to fill it with something, ANYTHING.

Back to the topic, here's the explanation for why ACKS and Alex Macris are now Voldemort at TBP: https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/acks-autarch-added-to-forbidden-topics-list.830945/

I'd like to address something about this:
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The posts that Macris was responding to were made by RPGnet volunteers who were acting in their personal capacity as regular posters to this board; they offered their personal opinions on Macris' political allegiances primarily based on his association with Milo Yiannopoulos and used that to suggest that gamers shouldn't support Macris' roleplaying concerns.
Sure they did, Shannon. It's well known that mods on TBP solely speak on their own behalf and do not represent the official views of the forum-- okay, I can't get through that without laughing. What a load of shit. TBP got too close to the sun with their bitching, and got burned. Oh dear.

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« Reply #486 on: November 15, 2021, 09:42:26 AM »

Re: Cuties it is a strong wannabe movie that wants to be "socially important" but doesn't reach above the level of "meh". And, yes, all the objectionable content is on the screen. I have nothing against *the idea* of 11 years old girls performing sexual dances in a movie: after all you need to portray what you are denouncing. There are, however, 100 cinematic techniques to *convey* the idea without showing it explicitly. There is no nudity, true, but the young girls dress and move in a very sexually explicit way right in front of the camera, and for very long sequences. I was amazed: literally, what were they thinking? ::)

What they were thinking is that America was ready for “preteen girls want to fuck”. They outright said it.
Let's be honest, it's the same mindset that thought it would be a good idea for the San Francisco PedoGay Men's Choir to sing a song about how 'they're coming to convert your children'.

I mean, holy shit, nobody stopped and said 'You know, this really might not be a good idea'?

Welp, I get to be the resident Cuties defender again. The film clearly and unambiguously portrayed the girls copying adult dances as inappropriate and unacceptable for their age. Adults in the audience at the competition were horrified when their dance routine got out of hand.
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« Reply #487 on: November 15, 2021, 10:15:13 AM »

Re: Cuties it is a strong wannabe movie that wants to be "socially important" but doesn't reach above the level of "meh". And, yes, all the objectionable content is on the screen. I have nothing against *the idea* of 11 years old girls performing sexual dances in a movie: after all you need to portray what you are denouncing. There are, however, 100 cinematic techniques to *convey* the idea without showing it explicitly. There is no nudity, true, but the young girls dress and move in a very sexually explicit way right in front of the camera, and for very long sequences. I was amazed: literally, what were they thinking? ::)

What they were thinking is that America was ready for “preteen girls want to fuck”. They outright said it.
Let's be honest, it's the same mindset that thought it would be a good idea for the San Francisco PedoGay Men's Choir to sing a song about how 'they're coming to convert your children'.

I mean, holy shit, nobody stopped and said 'You know, this really might not be a good idea'?

Welp, I get to be the resident Cuties defender again. The film clearly and unambiguously portrayed the girls copying adult dances as inappropriate and unacceptable for their age. Adults in the audience at the competition were horrified when their dance routine got out of hand.

Doesn't change the fact that you don't need to *show* inappropriate content to make the argument it is inappropriate.

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« Reply #488 on: November 15, 2021, 10:38:36 AM »

Re: Cuties it is a strong wannabe movie that wants to be "socially important" but doesn't reach above the level of "meh". And, yes, all the objectionable content is on the screen. I have nothing against *the idea* of 11 years old girls performing sexual dances in a movie: after all you need to portray what you are denouncing. There are, however, 100 cinematic techniques to *convey* the idea without showing it explicitly. There is no nudity, true, but the young girls dress and move in a very sexually explicit way right in front of the camera, and for very long sequences. I was amazed: literally, what were they thinking? ::)

What they were thinking is that America was ready for “preteen girls want to fuck”. They outright said it.
Let's be honest, it's the same mindset that thought it would be a good idea for the San Francisco PedoGay Men's Choir to sing a song about how 'they're coming to convert your children'.

I mean, holy shit, nobody stopped and said 'You know, this really might not be a good idea'?

Welp, I get to be the resident Cuties defender again. The film clearly and unambiguously portrayed the girls copying adult dances as inappropriate and unacceptable for their age. Adults in the audience at the competition were horrified when their dance routine got out of hand.

Doesn't change the fact that you don't need to *show* inappropriate content to make the argument it is inappropriate.

No, but films do this all the time. Scenes of rape and murder. I was far more squicked out by the scene in Gerald's Game that showed a father masturbating while his daughter sat in his lap while watching an eclipse.
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« Reply #489 on: November 15, 2021, 12:35:32 PM »

Re: Cuties it is a strong wannabe movie that wants to be "socially important" but doesn't reach above the level of "meh". And, yes, all the objectionable content is on the screen. I have nothing against *the idea* of 11 years old girls performing sexual dances in a movie: after all you need to portray what you are denouncing. There are, however, 100 cinematic techniques to *convey* the idea without showing it explicitly. There is no nudity, true, but the young girls dress and move in a very sexually explicit way right in front of the camera, and for very long sequences. I was amazed: literally, what were they thinking? ::)

What they were thinking is that America was ready for “preteen girls want to fuck”. They outright said it.
Let's be honest, it's the same mindset that thought it would be a good idea for the San Francisco PedoGay Men's Choir to sing a song about how 'they're coming to convert your children'.

I mean, holy shit, nobody stopped and said 'You know, this really might not be a good idea'?

Welp, I get to be the resident Cuties defender again. The film clearly and unambiguously portrayed the girls copying adult dances as inappropriate and unacceptable for their age. Adults in the audience at the competition were horrified when their dance routine got out of hand.

Doesn't change the fact that you don't need to *show* inappropriate content to make the argument it is inappropriate.

No, but films do this all the time. Scenes of rape and murder. I was far more squicked out by the scene in Gerald's Game that showed a father masturbating while his daughter sat in his lap while watching an eclipse.
I’ve not heard of Gerald’s Game. I think it goes immediately into my Will Never Watch list.

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« Reply #490 on: November 15, 2021, 02:13:58 PM »

Let's be honest, it's the same mindset that thought it would be a good idea for the San Francisco PedoGay Men's Choir to sing a song about how 'they're coming to convert your children'.

I mean, holy shit, nobody stopped and said 'You know, this really might not be a good idea'?

In so many cases a lot of this stuff is not about anything but getting away with passive aggressive bullshit (and more recently openly aggressive bullshit). Same with all the crap they say about white men (as if black men are any better). The way a lot of it is phrased, packaged, or presented is so obviously not trying to make anything better in any way shape or form. It's a bit like what Jordan Peterson said about Hitler, if what you do tends to lead to destruction, perhaps that was what you aimed for all along.

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« Reply #491 on: November 15, 2021, 04:16:48 PM »

Re: Cuties it is a strong wannabe movie that wants to be "socially important" but doesn't reach above the level of "meh". And, yes, all the objectionable content is on the screen. I have nothing against *the idea* of 11 years old girls performing sexual dances in a movie: after all you need to portray what you are denouncing. There are, however, 100 cinematic techniques to *convey* the idea without showing it explicitly. There is no nudity, true, but the young girls dress and move in a very sexually explicit way right in front of the camera, and for very long sequences. I was amazed: literally, what were they thinking? ::)

What they were thinking is that America was ready for “preteen girls want to fuck”. They outright said it.
Let's be honest, it's the same mindset that thought it would be a good idea for the San Francisco PedoGay Men's Choir to sing a song about how 'they're coming to convert your children'.

I mean, holy shit, nobody stopped and said 'You know, this really might not be a good idea'?

Welp, I get to be the resident Cuties defender again. The film clearly and unambiguously portrayed the girls copying adult dances as inappropriate and unacceptable for their age. Adults in the audience at the competition were horrified when their dance routine got out of hand.

My main problem with "Cuties" is that it is not a good movie at all. It is boring, shallow and unfocused. On the top of it the underage sexual content is explicit. In a way, it gave to the movie a visibility that it doesn't deserves. Had they shot the sexual content in an appropriate manner it would still remain a solid "meh".
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« Reply #492 on: November 16, 2021, 10:20:20 AM »
Paradim eats a month for having the nerve to question racial subtexts in the Rittenhouse case.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/paradim-receives-a-%F0%9F%9A%AB-thirty-day-ban-racism.889645/

Oh, Paradim. You should know better.

EDIT: The thread posts regarding Rittenhouse are also amazingly bitter and unhappy. Cope and seethe, TBP.
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« Reply #493 on: November 16, 2021, 10:56:12 AM »
Paradim eats a month for having the nerve to question racial subtexts in the Rittenhouse case.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/paradim-receives-a-%F0%9F%9A%AB-thirty-day-ban-racism.889645/

Oh, Paradim. You should know better.

EDIT: The thread posts regarding Rittenhouse are also amazingly bitter and unhappy. Cope and seethe, TBP.
The danger is every thread at TBP can be suddenly treated as an “A-game” thread if even a part of the discussion runs counter to a mod’s preferred narrative. Paradim was speaking to the specific lack of charges related to crossing state lines, and how even if Rittenhouse was black the prosecution wouldn’t be able to make a charge related to crossing state lines. Noting that Rittenhouse’s attorneys may have mounted a strong defense in a trial runs counter to the mod’s goodthink that no such defense could be mounted as that would preclude them being able to solely blame racism if Rittenhouse is found not guilty. Anything that looks like badthink has to be punished and made forbidden at TBP. It doesn’t matter that several leftist commentators have noted that Rittenhouse’s attorneys have mounted a strong defense, that very possibility must be discounted by the mods.

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« Reply #494 on: November 16, 2021, 02:35:47 PM »
EDIT: The thread posts regarding Rittenhouse are also amazingly bitter and unhappy. Cope and seethe, TBP.
That’s one are where we differ. Within the insane constraints of TBP I’m trying to prick the bubble of their echo chamber, so that if an acquittal (and that seems a strong possibility) does occur that some of the members at TBP don’t lose their shit to the point of needing to call a suicide hotline. A lot of them are still of a mind that Rittenhouse committed a crime crossing a state line. The more even the idea that an acquittal can occur I think the better able they’ll be able to handle it. The latest misconception I’ve seen over there is that the possession charge was dropped because the court allowed him to use a hunting exemption (“OMG, the racist court is saying it’s legal to hunt and kill liberals!”), when what’s happened is that the judge decided to stick with a strict and literal reading of the law. It wasn’t clear at the start of the trial that thr judge would.