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Author Topic: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)  (Read 306749 times)

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Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
« Reply #285 on: September 28, 2021, 08:32:37 AM »
Getting back on track here.

Dawgstar denies reality, warns someone for having the nerve to point out issues with a new edition of D&D:
https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/lotus-crane-receives-a-%F0%9F%94%B4-warning.887401/

Really, Dawgstar. Stop pretending 4E wasn't a mess.

Q99 tosses a warning and threadban for... talking bad about another dev in the John Wick thread.
https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/mae69-receives-a-%F0%9F%94%B4-warning-and-threadban.887409/

The cynical part of me wonders who it was and if they have friends on TBP staff.
First, Lotus Crane was really on point with his critique of 4E. Unfortunately, truth is no defense if it’s going to hurt someone’s feelings at TBP.

Second, there are no real friends among the mods at TBP. There are only those who are currently members of the Inner Party, and those who are not. I’m sure whoever that other designer was will soon find themselves cast out of the Inner Party. It’ll practically happen to almost all members given time.

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Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
« Reply #286 on: September 28, 2021, 01:47:51 PM »
TBP is Revolutionary Paris writ small. History repeating as farce.

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Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
« Reply #287 on: September 28, 2021, 02:05:38 PM »
Excitable Tanka strikes again.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/lonewolf23-receives-a-%F0%9F%94%B4-warning-threadban.887429/

Although really Lonewolf23, you've been on TBP since 2002. Did you miss the part where the jannies stated 'listen and believe' is the only policy there?

Dawgstar continues to demonstrate a complete lack of humor or even capacity for introspection.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/solarn-receives-a-%F0%9F%9A%AB-three-day-ban.887437/

I guess it's against policy to talk bad about stanning now. Do they even know what the word means? Heck, I do.


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Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
« Reply #288 on: September 29, 2021, 01:15:33 AM »
I gotta say, looking at some of this stuff at TBP...

I'm fucking disgusted.

Not so much at the mods, although they are obviously petty little people.  And, this is what happens when you give some people power.  But the thing that really gets my goat is why don't people just leave, en masse.   Then the little mods would have no one to lord their little rules over.   

Just goes to show, most people are sheep... unfortunately...
 
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Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
« Reply #289 on: September 29, 2021, 08:31:00 AM »
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Wokeness, loserness, and typical hive mentality you’ll find on Reddit. Same perps from geek in some occasions. If you defy their logic then you get the ban hammer. That dude from zweihander is there too, giving “advice” to beginners, forgot his name.

Daniel D. Fox was banned from RPGPub quite a long time ago for harassing other board members in priv messages.
I must say from my lecture of Pub it's seems to quite clearly hold up to it's premise of game only site, at least way better than any other boards I've read.

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Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
« Reply #290 on: September 29, 2021, 10:08:43 AM »
Since the wokelist was such a resounding success can we make a new list of woke idiot moderators so we can instaban them if they join any of our platforms?

Like, I am NOT giving any of them a pass for this petty behaviour.

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Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
« Reply #291 on: September 29, 2021, 10:30:25 AM »
Since the wokelist was such a resounding success can we make a new list of woke idiot moderators so we can instaban them if they join any of our platforms?

Like, I am NOT giving any of them a pass for this petty behaviour.

No need, they'll behave in such an obnoxious manner that they'll be banned organically within a few posts.
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Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
« Reply #292 on: September 29, 2021, 10:55:22 AM »
It's a lot trickier to track such bad actors preemptively. Unless they have a very characteristic posting style (Matt Swain here was a good example), chances are good they'll change their handles.

Then they work to slither into positions of power. It wouldn't work here, since the only positions here are held by Brett and Pundit. But that's usually what happens.

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Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
« Reply #293 on: September 29, 2021, 12:18:33 PM »
I dunno, we put them on the green list of "tolerant moderators" and they'll fall over themselves to correct the listing.

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Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
« Reply #294 on: September 29, 2021, 01:26:17 PM »
The mistake is not to include woke people in forums or games. The mistake comes when people take them too seriously and let them run things. Time and again, I've seen people basically go "oh you seem to care so much about all these various groups of people, so I'll let you organize this place".

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Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
« Reply #295 on: October 01, 2021, 11:48:31 AM »
Here come the mods again, spamming out their bans like they're paid for it.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/carden_gixoth-receives-a-%F0%9F%92%80-permanent-ban-rule-0-bad-fit-for-the-forums.887582/

Not really sure what to make of this one. I cannot even swear that this isn't a burner account. I'm just bemused as to how this is so 'offensive' the mods decided to hide it behind a spoiler block. Other than 'yeah, there's good and evil in D&D, deal with it'.

Meanwhile, Avaia managed to rack up a double on threadbans.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/avaia-receives-a-%F0%9F%94%B4-warning-and-threadban.887575/
https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/avaia-receives-a-%F0%9F%94%B4-warning-and-threadban.887580/

Dawgstar, you are a monumental bundle of sticks and are rapidly approaching Tanka levels of asshole. But it's well established that only the mods get to snark at posters; posters are not allowed to snark or be funny (or even TRY to be funny) on TBP.


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Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
« Reply #296 on: October 01, 2021, 12:23:09 PM »
What a shitshow that place is.
The worms crawl in and the worms crawl out
The ones that crawl in are lean and thin
The ones that crawl out are fat and stout
Your eyes fall in and your teeth fall out
Your brains come tumbling down your snout
Be merry my friends
Be merry

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Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
« Reply #297 on: October 01, 2021, 05:01:39 PM »
Here come the mods again, spamming out their bans like they're paid for it.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/carden_gixoth-receives-a-%F0%9F%92%80-permanent-ban-rule-0-bad-fit-for-the-forums.887582/

Not really sure what to make of this one. I cannot even swear that this isn't a burner account. I'm just bemused as to how this is so 'offensive' the mods decided to hide it behind a spoiler block. Other than 'yeah, there's good and evil in D&D, deal with it'.

This is so good, saving here for awesomeness

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Sorry to necro this thread 8 and some odd years later, but my gods. Never have I heard such drivel as came from OP's post.

The only thing "Christian" about D&D is that there is a Heaven (The 7 Mountain Heavens of Mt. Celestia) and a Hell (The Nine Hells). But, that's not a Christianity only thing. Jewdiasm, Islam, hells, even Buddhism has a Heaven and Hell.

I guess you can consider Ao God/Jesus, and Asmodeus Satan, but that's really, really stretching it. And you'd have to admit that Ao being "God" and Asmodeus being "Satan" also fits Jewish, and Islamic beliefs. It's not just Christianity that does this.

Further more, not only does Alignment mean eff all in 5e (my examples are the Detect Evil and Good, and Protection from Evil and Good spells. They don't Detect/Protect from an alignment, they do so for specific creature types. Using Detect Evil and Good, RAW, will not tell you if the sketchy Baron is Evil or not.), but in D&D morality is objective, as it is in Christianity, sure. But it's also objective in all modern religions. This started with the Jews, as the ancient Gods... Well, let's look at them.

Norse Myth is "Might is Right". The strong decide what is the objectively good thing, the weak die, or deal with it.

Greek/Roman myth can be summed up as "The Gods are flawed like us, and we suffer for it because the Gods are fickle".

Objective "this is good, this is evil, no matter if you're a king or a slave" morality started with the Jews.

So, you're wrong on it being a "Christian thing", OP.

Secondly, the Gods are either Evil or Good. Shar is Evil, Pelor is Good. Etc. Some are neutral, embodying aspects like Law, which can be both good or evil, depending. Having a "Slavery is ok here" law, I think we would all agree is objectively amoral. Evil. But, it's a Law. Disregarding that Law, in game, or IRL is a Chaotic Good action.

Evil, in D&D is Unholy. All demons, devil's, other assorted Fiends, the Devil Lord's of the Nine Hells, Demon Lord's of the Abyss, and Evil Gods (Asmodeus, Shar, Lolth, Myrkul, Jergal, etc.) are Unholy powers.

Good Deities (Pelor, Bahamut, Lathander, Paladine, Sahanine Moonbow, Corellon Larethian, etc), Angels and other assorted Celestials are Holy Powers.

There are Neutral (on the Good-Evil axis) Gods like Hoar, Helm, Primus, Torm and Tyr (I think Tyr is Neutral. Might be wrong on that. Correct me if so). These deities stand for a concept that can't be put into Good or Evil.

Neutral Clerics (in 3.5e) of Neutral Gods can choose to channel Holy or Unholy powers depending on their choice, and interpretation Of their Gods' teachings.

I'm sorry "demons bad, angels good" and "murder bad" doesn't sit right with you, OP, but too bad.

Slavery, rape, murder, and theft are objectively evil things.

There are Gods that venerate one or more of these. There are races, and subsets of races, that venerate these things. Kobolds, Drow, Mountain Orcs for instance.

Bad thing in D&D = Evil

Good thing in D&D = Good.

Period. Don't like it? Run your table how you want, or just don't play. Your choice on which you use. But do not presume to force your ill-conceived, flawed, and frankly misinformed bullshit on the rest of us.


All of that being said, I genuinely do not hold any I'll will toward OP, just minor annoyance.

Once more, mods/admins, I apologize for necro-ing this long dead thread, I simply could not let such blantanly incorrect information sit and do nothing to attempt to rectify it. I'll gladly take whatever strike/warning I get. All I ask is this post not be removed.
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Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
« Reply #298 on: October 01, 2021, 08:49:35 PM »
Here come the mods again, spamming out their bans like they're paid for it.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/carden_gixoth-receives-a-%F0%9F%92%80-permanent-ban-rule-0-bad-fit-for-the-forums.887582/

Not really sure what to make of this one. I cannot even swear that this isn't a burner account. I'm just bemused as to how this is so 'offensive' the mods decided to hide it behind a spoiler block. Other than 'yeah, there's good and evil in D&D, deal with it'.

This is so good, saving here for awesomeness

Quote from: Carden_Gixoth
Sorry to necro this thread 8 and some odd years later, but my gods. Never have I heard such drivel as came from OP's post.

The only thing "Christian" about D&D is that there is a Heaven (The 7 Mountain Heavens of Mt. Celestia) and a Hell (The Nine Hells). But, that's not a Christianity only thing. Jewdiasm, Islam, hells, even Buddhism has a Heaven and Hell.

I guess you can consider Ao God/Jesus, and Asmodeus Satan, but that's really, really stretching it. And you'd have to admit that Ao being "God" and Asmodeus being "Satan" also fits Jewish, and Islamic beliefs. It's not just Christianity that does this.

Further more, not only does Alignment mean eff all in 5e (my examples are the Detect Evil and Good, and Protection from Evil and Good spells. They don't Detect/Protect from an alignment, they do so for specific creature types. Using Detect Evil and Good, RAW, will not tell you if the sketchy Baron is Evil or not.), but in D&D morality is objective, as it is in Christianity, sure. But it's also objective in all modern religions. This started with the Jews, as the ancient Gods... Well, let's look at them.

Norse Myth is "Might is Right". The strong decide what is the objectively good thing, the weak die, or deal with it.

Greek/Roman myth can be summed up as "The Gods are flawed like us, and we suffer for it because the Gods are fickle".

Objective "this is good, this is evil, no matter if you're a king or a slave" morality started with the Jews.

So, you're wrong on it being a "Christian thing", OP.

Secondly, the Gods are either Evil or Good. Shar is Evil, Pelor is Good. Etc. Some are neutral, embodying aspects like Law, which can be both good or evil, depending. Having a "Slavery is ok here" law, I think we would all agree is objectively amoral. Evil. But, it's a Law. Disregarding that Law, in game, or IRL is a Chaotic Good action.

Evil, in D&D is Unholy. All demons, devil's, other assorted Fiends, the Devil Lord's of the Nine Hells, Demon Lord's of the Abyss, and Evil Gods (Asmodeus, Shar, Lolth, Myrkul, Jergal, etc.) are Unholy powers.

Good Deities (Pelor, Bahamut, Lathander, Paladine, Sahanine Moonbow, Corellon Larethian, etc), Angels and other assorted Celestials are Holy Powers.

There are Neutral (on the Good-Evil axis) Gods like Hoar, Helm, Primus, Torm and Tyr (I think Tyr is Neutral. Might be wrong on that. Correct me if so). These deities stand for a concept that can't be put into Good or Evil.

Neutral Clerics (in 3.5e) of Neutral Gods can choose to channel Holy or Unholy powers depending on their choice, and interpretation Of their Gods' teachings.

I'm sorry "demons bad, angels good" and "murder bad" doesn't sit right with you, OP, but too bad.

Slavery, rape, murder, and theft are objectively evil things.

There are Gods that venerate one or more of these. There are races, and subsets of races, that venerate these things. Kobolds, Drow, Mountain Orcs for instance.

Bad thing in D&D = Evil

Good thing in D&D = Good.

Period. Don't like it? Run your table how you want, or just don't play. Your choice on which you use. But do not presume to force your ill-conceived, flawed, and frankly misinformed bullshit on the rest of us.


All of that being said, I genuinely do not hold any I'll will toward OP, just minor annoyance.

Once more, mods/admins, I apologize for necro-ing this long dead thread, I simply could not let such blantanly incorrect information sit and do nothing to attempt to rectify it. I'll gladly take whatever strike/warning I get. All I ask is this post not be removed.

50/50 odds the moderators nuke his post because he asked that it not be nuked.
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Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
« Reply #299 on: October 01, 2021, 09:15:07 PM »
50/50 odds the moderators nuke his post because he asked that it not be nuked.

I figured it was because he said that a Good thing in D&D = Good.

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