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Author Topic: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)  (Read 306704 times)

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Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
« Reply #120 on: September 01, 2021, 04:19:55 PM »
Ah. Although I would argue that winning wasn't an option unless we planned to depopulate and terraform the place. But you're not wrong.

First you need to know what your goal is, then you can look to see if you won or not.

I would say that a trillion in war spending seems like a big win to me.

  And lots of that spending was most certainly a big juicy profit for many, many contractors.  The whole thing was a sham.

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« Reply #121 on: September 01, 2021, 05:20:01 PM »
I tried 'Reckall Problematic' but it keeps suggesting 'Recall' or 'Rectal', both of which can be problematic it seems.

Drat! :(

Anyway, I found "Ice Cream Problematic". 🤣

https://www.businessinsider.com/eskimo-pie-ice-cream-to-change-problematic-name-and-packaging-2020-6?r=US&IR=T

One could build a Scrabble game around this.
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« Reply #122 on: September 05, 2021, 11:22:06 AM »
Thank God Eskimo language family still keeps it's name in modern linguistics, and archeological remains of Greenland Innuits are still officialy "Thule Culture"
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« Reply #123 on: September 05, 2021, 12:58:52 PM »
There is a great quote from "True Detective" (and of course from Cohle in Season 1):

"If the only thing keeping a person decent is the expectation of divine reward, then brother that person is a piece of shit..."

I know that it is tangential to issues like "The Eskimo Scandal", but to me, in a way, it is also relevant. Victoria Secret ditching their "Angels", "Uncle Ben" changing the brand... Things that have endured for decades.

Had Eskimo retired the brand before the SJW Storm, then kudos to them. But, to paraphrase that quote, "If the only thing that makes someone act is the expectation of current social reward, then that entity is a piece of shit."
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« Reply #124 on: September 06, 2021, 11:12:26 AM »
Well, some folks on big purp are now pissed with the Avatar kickstarter because of the final stretch goal. Starting on page 60 of the massive thread. The final stretch goal is an actual play with Satine Phoenix. And she of course is tied to ZakS. And yeah, it's entertaining ("....are you not entertained?")
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« Reply #125 on: September 06, 2021, 06:47:42 PM »
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"If the only thing keeping a person decent is the expectation of divine reward, then brother that person is a piece of shit..."

That's not the great quote by high-school atheist bad meme repeated over and over and over and over.
I on the other hand shall count psychopath fighting his violent tendencies because fear of Divine Wrath as much more moral being, than some random wanna-be-good-shoes who just have high empathy and thinks it makes it somehow a great moralist. Fuck empaths.
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« Reply #126 on: September 06, 2021, 08:08:55 PM »
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"If the only thing keeping a person decent is the expectation of divine reward, then brother that person is a piece of shit..."

That's not the great quote by high-school atheist bad meme repeated over and over and over and over.
I on the other hand shall count psychopath fighting his violent tendencies because fear of Divine Wrath as much more moral being, than some random wanna-be-good-shoes who just have high empathy and thinks it makes it somehow a great moralist. Fuck empaths.

I think the problem with the quote is that expectation of divine reward is rarely the only motivation. I don't think people are that simple.
For people who are that simple, there are bigger problems afoot.
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« Reply #127 on: September 06, 2021, 11:11:15 PM »
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"If the only thing keeping a person decent is the expectation of divine reward, then brother that person is a piece of shit..."

That's not the great quote by high-school atheist bad meme repeated over and over and over and over.
I on the other hand shall count psychopath fighting his violent tendencies because fear of Divine Wrath as much more moral being, than some random wanna-be-good-shoes who just have high empathy and thinks it makes it somehow a great moralist. Fuck empaths.

You left out the best part. The mods are giving out bans for being critical of Satine. Because, literally, they feel it’s wrong to hold women accountable for their actions. Yes, they outright said that!

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« Reply #128 on: September 07, 2021, 05:25:53 AM »
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"If the only thing keeping a person decent is the expectation of divine reward, then brother that person is a piece of shit..."

That's not the great quote by high-school atheist bad meme repeated over and over and over and over.
I on the other hand shall count psychopath fighting his violent tendencies because fear of Divine Wrath as much more moral being, than some random wanna-be-good-shoes who just have high empathy and thinks it makes it somehow a great moralist. Fuck empaths.

I think the problem with the quote is that expectation of divine reward is rarely the only motivation. I don't think people are that simple.
For people who are that simple, there are bigger problems afoot.

  The other problem with the quote is it is from a character who was a jaded borderline suicidal dude who lost his wife and kid in a car wreck, who was an atheist.  Later in the show he becomes a rather firm believer.   The line is not to make a point, it is to illustrate a very strong and very defined character arc...   So even being the more agnostic sort, I am not so sure the line makes the point reckall is looking for.

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« Reply #129 on: September 07, 2021, 12:12:34 PM »
  The other problem with the quote is it is from a character who was a jaded borderline suicidal dude who lost his wife and kid in a car wreck, who was an atheist.  Later in the show he becomes a rather firm believer.   The line is not to make a point, it is to illustrate a very strong and very defined character arc...   So even being the more agnostic sort, I am not so sure the line makes the point reckall is looking for.

In that scene Colhe tells a lot of things (it is not by chance that it is one of the most iconic in the show) and many of these things are tied to a totally rationalist view of the world. Cohle, however, is challenged by Marty at every turn, so the scene actually becomes a debate without a clear "winner" or a clear cut answer - as many other scenes in TD are.

But...

"If the only thing keeping a person decent is the expectation of divine reward, then brother that person is a piece of shit..."

...Goes basically unchallenged. Notice how the formulation already cuts off those also expecting a divine reward. This is not about them.

My point (which, I believe, is quite simple) is that if you believe in a set of values that "make you decent", then you already are. You already behave in a certain way. Kudos to you. But this means there is no merit in "being decent" if you only do it as a response to an outside force.

And this is what is happening all over the spectrum. SJWs and Wokeness rule ---> All of sudden Eskimo "realises" that their 100 years old brand is "problematic"... after the killing of George Floyd?? Wasn't Martin Luther King enough??

And of course WOTC goes woke like if they always were and all that jazz.

I see no merit in all of this. It is marketing. It is putting the sails where the wind blows after panicked meetings in the PR department. It is chasing what is substituting "God" in our current society. And, in creative and social endeavours, the results are almost always catastrophic - because behind the façade there is no real soul, no real ideals, no genuine values, only memorised slogans (see Evil Hat for a good example).

And this is why, to me, those who behave in this way are pieces of shit. That's, to me, the universal value of Cohle's statement. There is no need to look beyond this.

Edit: for the curious, this is the whole scene...

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« Reply #130 on: September 07, 2021, 04:12:52 PM »
   The problem with the scene, and the point you are looking to make, is pretty much the entirety of western society "decent" was largely designed and enforced along the lines of that afterlife reward.  It is at this point ingrained into people.   It is the expected social norm for everyone, to be "decent" afterlife reward or not.  Without those expectations beaten into western Civ with thousands of years reinforcing it,  well, it becomes the simple fact that the expectation of a divine reward guided the entire general "rulebook" for society.   Let society collapse, then you will see who is, or is not really "decent".   

   His speech was one I hear ALL the time from atheists.   Who were raised their entire lives in societies where Christian values more or less guided most of the larger ideas around personal rights, liberty and the general behavior we take on around one another, and the laws surrounding that.   I should also mention, the guys arguing the point are: one dude who cheats on his wife, and the other dude who bangs his buddy's wife in the ass.  So there is that as to who is, or is not, decent.

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« Reply #131 on: September 07, 2021, 05:24:17 PM »
There is a great quote from "True Detective" (and of course from Cohle in Season 1):

"If the only thing keeping a person decent is the expectation of divine reward, then brother that person is a piece of shit..."

I know that it is tangential to issues like "The Eskimo Scandal", but to me, in a way, it is also relevant. Victoria Secret ditching their "Angels", "Uncle Ben" changing the brand... Things that have endured for decades.

Had Eskimo retired the brand before the SJW Storm, then kudos to them. But, to paraphrase that quote, "If the only thing that makes someone act is the expectation of current social reward, then that entity is a piece of shit."

So a person acts decently for their whole life because they are expecting a divine reward and that makes them a piece of shit?

That makes no sense at all.  Who would even think like that?
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« Reply #132 on: September 07, 2021, 05:28:08 PM »
All right, a tad off-topic, but this should be said:

The problem with "trans-women" for example is that nobody likes them.

LOLwut?

I have two real trans friends (and have known three others, though none of those three I'd consider friends). I like them both, though I like one more than the other. Then again, the one I like less, I liked less when they were identifying as a male, so that hasn't changed. Both are with women now. One is married and they have a child, and the other just in a close relationship which is likely to lead to marriage some day, though who knows.

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Trans-women" are insane men who want people to view them as actual women, right? The problem is, they are not, and no heterosexual man wants to have have sex with them. The only men who will are homosexuals, and only because "trans-women" are men, so that will not do.

Therefore the only way they can even get anywhere is through deception. Say a drunk guy in a dark bar somewhere, but of course it won't be long before...well, you know what I mean.

Wow what pure nonsense. Gender identification isn't sexual preference. A straight male who becomes a female still usually likes women just like they did when they were identifying as male, unless they were a gay man to begin with. Trans people don't get relationships by getting people drunk and tricking them...you've been listening to too much 70s rock I suspect? Whatever the source, it sure isn't from talking to a trans person.

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« Reply #133 on: September 07, 2021, 05:38:51 PM »
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"If the only thing keeping a person decent is the expectation of divine reward, then brother that person is a piece of shit..."

That's not the great quote by high-school atheist bad meme repeated over and over and over and over.
I on the other hand shall count psychopath fighting his violent tendencies because fear of Divine Wrath as much more moral being, than some random wanna-be-good-shoes who just have high empathy and thinks it makes it somehow a great moralist. Fuck empaths.

You left out the best part. The mods are giving out bans for being critical of Satine. Because, literally, they feel it’s wrong to hold women accountable for their actions. Yes, they outright said that!
Allow me to direct you to the TBP hallucinations about 'holdoing'. Yes, that is literally a rule. If you question a mod decision and the mod in question is female or identifies as such, you are clearly questioning her because of her gender, not because of her competence. Banhammer for you!

Yeah, they're morons.

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Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
« Reply #134 on: September 07, 2021, 06:28:50 PM »
Greetings!

Yeah, more snarky, pseudo-intellectualizing by clueless atheists.

Get rid of Christianity, Christian morality, and Christian order, and you will fuck around and find out how benevolent and kind society is. Most societies will be absolutely ruled by savage beasts, raping whomever they so choose, and subjugating and slaughtering everyone that doesn't bow the fuck down to them.

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