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Author Topic: It's time for the USA to balkanize. How can that happen peacefully?  (Read 24620 times)

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Re: It's time for the USA to balkanize. How can that happen peacefully?
« Reply #735 on: May 17, 2022, 07:08:15 PM »
And you run even chances that even if the drifter is caught, that the DA will drop charges because 'social justice'.

If you ever wonder how organized crime sinks its hooks in good and deep, it's crap like that. When people cannot get relief from 'official' sources, they will turn to unofficial ones. And organized criminals will happily fill the void.

Nature abhors a vacuum, after all.
At that point are they really organized crime or just a more tolerable, less corrupt alternate government?
Government is just the organized criminals that won.

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Re: It's time for the USA to balkanize. How can that happen peacefully?
« Reply #736 on: May 17, 2022, 07:09:02 PM »
The scary thing is that, so long as you don't interfere with their making money, organized crime has traditionally taken care of their neighbors when the government shits the bed... Making sure those outside the neighborhood stay out of the neighborhood, watching out for the old people, feeding the poor.  What's it say about society when criminal gangs are better citizens then government?!?!

There certainly have been times when organized crime has been more popular with the community than government. Arguably in the 1920s the U.S. verged on this, with some popular outlaws and organized crime figures.

However, I don't think that is true of organized crime in North America today. GeekyBugle has been outspoken about how awful the Mexican cartels are even though he also hates the Mexican government. The U.S. organized crime might be better, but I think it is quite rare for them to be more trusted than the government, even among government critics.

Nowadays, yes. But up until the RICO statutes, OC groups were a lot tighter, loyal, etc.  It's easy to keep street hoodlums out of Little Italy or Little Odessa when you're not worrying about whether another member of your crew is going to that.

Nowadays - cartels, Russian Mafia, etc. are too violent  because the younger generation was raised in a much more liberal society that values nothing except their own hedonism.  Compare that to American Mafia patrolling the waterfronts during WW2 and actively collaborating with law enforcement and military intelligence to prevent sabotage by Nazi sympathizers...  Sure, they were criminals, but they were still patriotic and both they and the law knew there were lines that were not to be crossed.  That's all gone now because government is more corrupt than the criminals...

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Re: It's time for the USA to balkanize. How can that happen peacefully?
« Reply #737 on: May 17, 2022, 07:09:54 PM »
The scary thing is that, so long as you don't interfere with their making money, organized crime has traditionally taken care of their neighbors when the government shits the bed... Making sure those outside the neighborhood stay out of the neighborhood, watching out for the old people, feeding the poor.  What's it say about society when criminal gangs are better citizens then government?!?!

There certainly have been times when organized crime has been more popular with the community than government. Arguably in the 1920s the U.S. verged on this, with some popular outlaws and organized crime figures.

However, I don't think that is true of organized crime in North America today. GeekyBugle has been outspoken about how awful the Mexican cartels are even though he also hates the Mexican government. The U.S. organized crime might be better, but I think it is quite rare for them to be more trusted than the government, even among government critics.

Nowadays, yes. But up until the RICO statutes, OC groups were a lot tighter, loyal, etc.  It's easy to keep street hoodlums out of Little Italy or Little Odessa when you're not worrying about whether another member of your crew is going to rat.

Nowadays - cartels, Russian Mafia, etc. are too violent  because the younger generation was raised in a much more liberal society that values nothing except their own hedonism.  Compare that to American Mafia patrolling the waterfronts during WW2 and actively collaborating with law enforcement and military intelligence to prevent sabotage by Nazi sympathizers...  Sure, they were criminals, but they were still patriotic and both they and the law knew there were lines that were not to be crossed.  That's all gone now because government is more corrupt than the criminals...

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Re: It's time for the USA to balkanize. How can that happen peacefully?
« Reply #738 on: May 17, 2022, 08:18:24 PM »
The scary thing is that, so long as you don't interfere with their making money, organized crime has traditionally taken care of their neighbors when the government shits the bed... Making sure those outside the neighborhood stay out of the neighborhood, watching out for the old people, feeding the poor.  What's it say about society when criminal gangs are better citizens then government?!?!

There certainly have been times when organized crime has been more popular with the community than government. Arguably in the 1920s the U.S. verged on this, with some popular outlaws and organized crime figures.

However, I don't think that is true of organized crime in North America today. GeekyBugle has been outspoken about how awful the Mexican cartels are even though he also hates the Mexican government. The U.S. organized crime might be better, but I think it is quite rare for them to be more trusted than the government, even among government critics.

There are some towns where the Cartels rule, IIRC the people there are happy but either they work in the Cartel or benefit from it by more legal ways.

Also if they show up with their firepower (and you with a 30-30 at best) not many will oppose them and who would speak out against them?

Killing you and your family is just Monday to them.
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Re: It's time for the USA to balkanize. How can that happen peacefully?
« Reply #739 on: May 19, 2022, 01:37:24 AM »
We'll be seeing the Cartels operating openly in the USA soon enough.

Open borders have consequences.

Much like stolen elections.

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Re: It's time for the USA to balkanize. How can that happen peacefully?
« Reply #740 on: May 19, 2022, 05:37:20 AM »
We'll be seeing the Cartels operating openly in the USA soon enough.

Open borders have consequences.

Much like stolen elections.

Dude, the Cartels have been operating in the USA for the last decade at least. Who do think funds la Raza?
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Re: It's time for the USA to balkanize. How can that happen peacefully?
« Reply #741 on: May 19, 2022, 05:53:01 PM »
We'll be seeing the Cartels operating openly in the USA soon enough.

Open borders have consequences.

Much like stolen elections.

Dude, the Cartels have been operating in the USA for the last decade at least. Who do think funds la Raza?

And MS13 does deal with the Cartels too.
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Re: It's time for the USA to balkanize. How can that happen peacefully?
« Reply #742 on: May 19, 2022, 07:13:35 PM »
Dude, the Cartels have been operating in the USA for the last decade at least. Who do think funds la Raza?

At UCLA 30 years ago, the La Raza movement was funded with student fees through the Latino Student Union and other "progressive" organizations. I imagine La Raza has all sorts of funding now through the Demonrats and their allies.

Yes, the Cartels have been active in the USA for years, but nothing like what's coming down the pipe. The mass illegal immigration is the perfect cover to bring in thousands of cartel foot soldiers and soon we'll see cartel vs. local gang violence and eventually cartel vs cartel violence in American cities.

But if you notice it, you'll be declared a racist.

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Re: It's time for the USA to balkanize. How can that happen peacefully?
« Reply #743 on: May 20, 2022, 01:07:26 PM »
Dude, the Cartels have been operating in the USA for the last decade at least. Who do think funds la Raza?

At UCLA 30 years ago, the La Raza movement was funded with student fees through the Latino Student Union and other "progressive" organizations. I imagine La Raza has all sorts of funding now through the Demonrats and their allies.

Yes, the Cartels have been active in the USA for years, but nothing like what's coming down the pipe. The mass illegal immigration is the perfect cover to bring in thousands of cartel foot soldiers and soon we'll see cartel vs. local gang violence and eventually cartel vs cartel violence in American cities.

But if you notice it, you'll be declared a racist.

  Hell if you link and talk about the stacks of leftie news stories celebrating how immigration is making the USA "less white" and great for them, you are a racist.  Lots of stuff is racist now.  Reality, truth, etc.... all racist.