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Title: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ghostmaker on July 27, 2021, 08:10:46 AM
After consulting with the staff (talked to Pundit), I'm starting a new thread here to discuss the ongoing unintentional hilarity that is RPGnet.

Let's check out the latest casualties. I see Thorn Drumheller got the heave ho -- sorry, Thorn. My guess is they didn't like what you had to say here, or elsewhere.

It should come as no surprise that they're all up in arms about Sandy Petersen, because he's a meany who won't kiss their ring. Wah wah wah.

Here's one that I find particularly amusing: https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/katastrophe-receives-a-%F0%9F%9A%AB-one-day-ban-and-threadban-bad-sexist-takes.884676/

Now, if they'd gigged him for 'negativity' or 'threadcrapping' it would've still been bullshit but at least it would be consistent bullshit. But rolling out the excuse of 'tired MRA talking points'? I guess they've completely missed how Kevin Smith lied through his teeth about the plot of MOTU:Revelation. Or they're just dishonest. My money's on dishonest.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: oggsmash on July 28, 2021, 08:17:57 AM
I really do not know what has gone on with the moderators there.  I remember there was a shift in tone years ago, and then that shift really went into overdrive.  I visited the site last year, and saw it was now just insanity.  I do not understand having a political forum on the site where you are not allowed, in any way, to show any support whatsoever for what half the country voted for.   It would seem just do not have a political forum if you have rules like that. 

   I remember years ago the forum was useful for asking about games and discussion of same, now it looks like people are wondering if they will be banned for showing any sort of individual opinion about anything.  The "tired MRA talking points" is a great example of same, those talking points are "tired" because hollywood/media are doing the exact things the dude that got a one day ban was complaining about all the time. 
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ocule on July 28, 2021, 08:19:52 AM
RPG net is such cancer I -site:rpg.net them from my search results just so I don’t have to look at their bullshit. If you go to their bans overall they’re pretty funny at how petty that mod team is
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Thorn Drumheller on July 28, 2021, 08:55:57 AM
After consulting with the staff (talked to Pundit), I'm starting a new thread here to discuss the ongoing unintentional hilarity that is RPGnet.

Let's check out the latest casualties. I see Thorn Drumheller got the heave ho -- sorry, Thorn. My guess is they didn't like what you had to say here, or elsewhere.

It should come as no surprise that they're all up in arms about Sandy Petersen, because he's a meany who won't kiss their ring. Wah wah wah.

Here's one that I find particularly amusing: https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/katastrophe-receives-a-%F0%9F%9A%AB-one-day-ban-and-threadban-bad-sexist-takes.884676/

Now, if they'd gigged him for 'negativity' or 'threadcrapping' it would've still been bullshit but at least it would be consistent bullshit. But rolling out the excuse of 'tired MRA talking points'? I guess they've completely missed how Kevin Smith lied through his teeth about the plot of MOTU:Revelation. Or they're just dishonest. My money's on dishonest.

Thanks man. It's really no loss cause I was not a fit for their totalitarian regime. I started there back in the day when it really was a ton of good rpg ideas going on. Games were discussed and support was given. That board really isn't about rpg's anymore, they realize it but don't want to admit it. All the good posters were either banned or left the site. So it's a shame it's turned into such a hollow shell.

And yeah, I watched the first two episodes and, since I'm trying to remove things in my life that get my blood pressure up, I'm not finishing the series. Now if I'd seen this as I kid I might like it but there's a reason the last three Star Wars movies sucked......but that's the direction stupidwood is going for entertainment.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ghostmaker on July 28, 2021, 09:50:59 AM
Thanks man. It's really no loss cause I was not a fit for their totalitarian regime. I started there back in the day when it really was a ton of good rpg ideas going on. Games were discussed and support was given. That board really isn't about rpg's anymore, they realize it but don't want to admit it. All the good posters were either banned or left the site. So it's a shame it's turned into such a hollow shell.
They'll never admit they're doing all the purging that you warned about back in 2019 (and promptly ate a 30-day ban for).

Elvs Waxman just ate a similar ban (bumped from one to thirty days) for expressing similar concerns about purges and purity spirals.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/elvis-waxman-receives-a-%F0%9F%9A%AB-one-day-ban.884716/
https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/elvis-waxman-receives-a-%F0%9F%9A%AB-thirty-day-ban-derailing-group-attack.884720/

Frankly, I would suggest Elvis go ahead and jump ship. Judging from his prior 'infractions', I believe the mods have decided he needs to go.

Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Reckall on July 28, 2021, 10:48:53 AM
I really do not know what has gone on with the moderators there.  I remember there was a shift in tone years ago, and then that shift really went into overdrive.
I remember when RPG.net made sane objections to RPG contents. For example, when I read 3.5E "Races of the Wild" I didn't like how halflings were presented as a stereotype of Roma people. It was disgusting and even reductive. Shortly later I stumbled into a review of the book on RPG.net, and it was the only one that made the same point.

Then things exploded - everywhere. There are actual studies on why this happened, with the majority of them pointing out a perfect storm of events happening in a short time: the #metoo movement, gamersgate... the big one possibly was the election of a certain US President. Even if wokeism was already on the rise, that was like throwing a molotov cocktail in a room already saturated by gas, Boom.

And, for some reason, the "guardians" of popular culture (critics, actors, content creators and the like) decided that it was their job to become... dunno, PALADINS of what was moral and just - sane reasoning be damned.

I saw this degradation happening in real time on "The Guardian". Sure, they are (well, were) a bastion of liberal thought. However, they had no problems in hammering something with leftist contents if they felt that the quality of the work was shoddy. Today, I guess that they wrote their five stars review of MOTU even before the show was out.

And this created a widening disconnection between these PALADINS and the sane, normal people. I.e. "The Guardians of Culture" are guarding, via their screamed sentences, an increasingly empty keep.

"Variety"!! Your job is to publish a fair assessment of events inherent to the entertainment sector, not to write sad articles like this one: https://variety.com/2021/tv/news/he-man-masters-of-the-universe-revelation-kevin-smith-netflix-1235026831/

"Kevin Smith Made Netflix’s ‘Masters of the Universe: Revelation’ Specifically to Please ‘He-Man’ Fans. Some Got Mad Anyway."

...Because you are lying. He-Man is not in the show. This is why He-Man fans got mad. Also, you support a liar who claimed for months that the rumors of a "female-centric" show were false - only to put out a female-centric show.

No "Variety": your job is to call out Kevin Smith and question him frankly for his jokes - not to arbitrarily support something because it is woke.

Even worse, this already happened. "Star Wars" is a shining example. When "The Last Jedi" destroyed the franchise and had the fans up in arms, the answer was not an analysis of what went wrong, but this:

https://www.esquire.com/entertainment/movies/a25560063/how-fans-ruined-star-wars-the-last-jedi-2018/

"The Year Star Wars Fans Finally Ruined Star Wars
In 2018, a loud movement of racist, misogynist trolls derailed the beloved family sci-fi franchise."


Maybe you will notice a pattern.

But we also have the result. No more toy sales, empty "Star Wars" attractions in Disney parks, a widely panned third movie that made half of the first, and finally this:

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2021/07/gross-altman-star-wars-mandalorian/619016/

"How Disney Mismanaged the Star Wars Universe
And how The Mandalorian can restore the true power of George Lucas’s galaxy"


Boy, was it so hard to understand? I guess that there is nothing like haemorrhaging money to get someone's attention...

Be assured that it is the "Star Wars" pattern what we already saw (like, for example, with "Ghostbusters", but also the 2021 edition of the Oscars) and that we will see. It will always go this way.

What is worrying is that once upon a time the entertainment industry had a "herd mentality". "Star Wars" is a hit? Let's do our Star Wars! "Mars Needs Moms" was a flop? Let's drop "Mars" from "John Carter of Mars" (believe it or not, this is what happened). "Magic: the Gathering" exploded as the new way of playing? Let's rush out our card game!

Today? "Star Wars" loses a s*it-ton of money and no one learns the lesson. No one even copies the right way to handle things even if he doesn't understand why, just out of prudence. No. "He-Man" gets woke and "Variety" repeats the same mistakes that doomed Star Wars.

I'll follow from my window the sales of He-Man toys. It will be an interesting view.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Thorn Drumheller on July 28, 2021, 11:35:21 AM
Thanks man. It's really no loss cause I was not a fit for their totalitarian regime. I started there back in the day when it really was a ton of good rpg ideas going on. Games were discussed and support was given. That board really isn't about rpg's anymore, they realize it but don't want to admit it. All the good posters were either banned or left the site. So it's a shame it's turned into such a hollow shell.
They'll never admit they're doing all the purging that you warned about back in 2019 (and promptly ate a 30-day ban for).

Elvs Waxman just ate a similar ban (bumped from one to thirty days) for expressing similar concerns about purges and purity spirals.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/elvis-waxman-receives-a-%F0%9F%9A%AB-one-day-ban.884716/
https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/elvis-waxman-receives-a-%F0%9F%9A%AB-thirty-day-ban-derailing-group-attack.884720/

Frankly, I would suggest Elvis go ahead and jump ship. Judging from his prior 'infractions', I believe the mods have decided he needs to go.

Oh.... well then. They did ban Elvis for rational thought. Well, Elvis should read the writing on the wall (mod red text) cause they're not long for big purp.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ghostmaker on July 28, 2021, 11:53:15 AM
Thanks man. It's really no loss cause I was not a fit for their totalitarian regime. I started there back in the day when it really was a ton of good rpg ideas going on. Games were discussed and support was given. That board really isn't about rpg's anymore, they realize it but don't want to admit it. All the good posters were either banned or left the site. So it's a shame it's turned into such a hollow shell.
They'll never admit they're doing all the purging that you warned about back in 2019 (and promptly ate a 30-day ban for).

Elvs Waxman just ate a similar ban (bumped from one to thirty days) for expressing similar concerns about purges and purity spirals.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/elvis-waxman-receives-a-%F0%9F%9A%AB-one-day-ban.884716/
https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/elvis-waxman-receives-a-%F0%9F%9A%AB-thirty-day-ban-derailing-group-attack.884720/

Frankly, I would suggest Elvis go ahead and jump ship. Judging from his prior 'infractions', I believe the mods have decided he needs to go.

Oh.... well then. They did ban Elvis for rational thought. Well, Elvis should read the writing on the wall (mod red text) cause they're not long for big purp.
When I see something trotted out like 'prior infractions' or 'not a good fit' for an account that's been there since 2003, I like to search through the Infractions forum for these actual 'prior infractions'. In a lot of cases it's penny-ante bullshit, or ginned up to justify their stupidity and hypocrisy.

Coherent thought really isn't a trait they breed for in wokeism. They don't need to be coherent or consistent because they are always the Good Guys. Regardless of what they do, it's Always Right (I referred to this as 'informed morality', a pun on the trope informed ability). And it's a mentality usually only seen in religious zealots, which is why it's so surprising to encounter.

But they really don't know how to handle it when reality backhands them. When films and shows tank hard, when the money they were expecting fails to materialize, they can't say, 'Huh, maybe this was a bad idea'. It's like the meme of Principal Skinner. 'No, no, it's the consumers who must be wrong.' And so it goes with SW, and He-Man, and yes, RPGnet. They cannot be wrong. They are the Good Guys (as Reckall notes, the 'paladins' of this play). And so it must be some evil haters' fault!

If you've ever read about the Soviet system, and the Gulag Archipelago, a great 'danger' in the system were 'wreckers', who would (somehow) derail, delay, or disrupt proper production and handling of resources. If you raised objections to a process because it was stupid, nonsensical, illogical, or dangerous, you were a wrecker, and you had better change your ways or you had a prison term waiting for you.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: KingCheops on July 28, 2021, 12:47:54 PM
Even worse, this already happened. "Star Wars" is a shining example. When "The Last Jedi" destroyed the franchise and had the fans up in arms, the answer was not an analysis of what went wrong, but this:

https://www.esquire.com/entertainment/movies/a25560063/how-fans-ruined-star-wars-the-last-jedi-2018/

"The Year Star Wars Fans Finally Ruined Star Wars
In 2018, a loud movement of racist, misogynist trolls derailed the beloved family sci-fi franchise."


Maybe you will notice a pattern.

But we also have the result. No more toy sales, empty "Star Wars" attractions in Disney parks, a widely panned third movie that made half of the first, and finally this:

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2021/07/gross-altman-star-wars-mandalorian/619016/

"How Disney Mismanaged the Star Wars Universe
And how The Mandalorian can restore the true power of George Lucas’s galaxy"


Boy, was it so hard to understand? I guess that there is nothing like haemorrhaging money to get someone's attention...

Be assured that it is the "Star Wars" pattern what we already saw (like, for example, with "Ghostbusters", but also the 2021 edition of the Oscars) and that we will see. It will always go this way.

The truly crazy thing is that the Mandalorian did a better job of female empowerment than the sequel trilogy did by being realistic and not propaganda.  And then the Paladins went and kicked off one of the better female role models on the show!  My daughter doesn't really give two shits about Rey but boy oh boy did she love Cara Dune.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: GeekyBugle on July 28, 2021, 01:57:25 PM
Funny how we're just a vocal minority and publishers/directors/studios/etc shouldn't pay attention to what we want but we're also powerful enough that a "small minority" of angry, manbaby, misogynerds can destroy Star Wars.

Misogynerds of the world unite!!!!
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Thorn Drumheller on July 28, 2021, 02:12:34 PM
Funny how we're just a vocal minority and publishers/directors/studios/etc shouldn't pay attention to what we want but we're also powerful enough that a "small minority" of angry, manbaby, misogynerds can destroy Star Wars.

Misogynerds of the world unite!!!!

LOL, so true
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ratman_tf on July 28, 2021, 02:33:11 PM
They've really been leaning into the "A Game" excuse to find reasons to censure and ban posters lately.

NOT WOKE ENOUGH!
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Reckall on July 28, 2021, 02:52:35 PM
They've really been leaning into the "A Game" excuse to find reasons to censure and ban posters lately.

NOT WOKE ENOUGH!

They are literally "purifying" the site from those who speak against "their quest for purity".
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ghostmaker on July 28, 2021, 04:01:34 PM
They've really been leaning into the "A Game" excuse to find reasons to censure and ban posters lately.

NOT WOKE ENOUGH!

They are literally "purifying" the site from those who speak against "their quest for purity".
Or lack sufficient purity, or run afoul of the mods, or are friends with someone problematic, or do something offsite that hurts their fee-fee's, or... and so on. But you knew that already.

I've been checking their Current Visitors page quite a bit. I've yet to see the registered users clock over 250, and I've seen it drop as low as 170. Guests, of course, vary wildly.

I wonder what the numbers are for Giants In The Playground (the Order of the Stick forum site). I may need to check that.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Shasarak on July 28, 2021, 05:03:59 PM
What the hell is a A game?

I have heard of an A Team.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Reckall on July 28, 2021, 05:10:23 PM
What the hell is a A game?

You must be careful in what you say or you will get banned.

In an "A Game" thread you must be extremely careful in what you say or you will be banned.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: FelixGamingX1 on July 28, 2021, 05:20:03 PM
Hahahahahah RPG.not and RPGeek are both utter pieces of garbage. I was going to briefly mention both in my latest podcast, but changed my mind. Let them be forgotten. I scrapped the first recording due to quality checks, but hopefully in the near future I make some good podcasts.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Shasarak on July 28, 2021, 05:30:04 PM
What the hell is a A game?

You must be careful in what you say or you will get banned.

In an "A Game" thread you must be extremely careful in what you say or you will be banned.

I probably would have called it a "Karen Game"
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Reckall on July 28, 2021, 06:30:26 PM
The truly crazy thing is that the Mandalorian did a better job of female empowerment than the sequel trilogy did by being realistic and not propaganda.  And then the Paladins went and kicked off one of the better female role models on the show!  My daughter doesn't really give two shits about Rey but boy oh boy did she love Cara Dune.

There are rumbles that they are calling her back. Of course now it's Gina Carano that holds all the cards, so Disney may just not want to look as the entity that "folded". The hope is that she and Jon Favreau will reach an amicable agreement - because it was Kathleen Kennedy's faction who torpedoed her.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: HappyDaze on July 28, 2021, 06:36:49 PM
What the hell is a A game?

I have heard of an A Team.
It's the banning game they play to ensure their plans come together.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ratman_tf on July 28, 2021, 08:45:04 PM
What the hell is a A game?

You must be careful in what you say or you will get banned.

In an "A Game" thread you must be extremely careful in what you say or you will be banned.

IE you better agree with the mods and the board culture, unconditionally and enthusiastically.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ratman_tf on July 28, 2021, 08:49:06 PM
The truly crazy thing is that the Mandalorian did a better job of female empowerment than the sequel trilogy did by being realistic and not propaganda.  And then the Paladins went and kicked off one of the better female role models on the show!  My daughter doesn't really give two shits about Rey but boy oh boy did she love Cara Dune.

There are rumbles that they are calling her back. Of course now it's Gina Carano that holds all the cards, so Disney may just not want to look as the entity that "folded". The hope is that she and Jon Favreau will reach an amicable agreement - because it was Kathleen Kennedy's faction who torpedoed her.

I am strongly of the opinion that Carano shouldn't go back to company that treated her like shit, while letting Pascal do pretty much the same thing without a peep.
If she does, she should first get Disney to make a public, grovelling, apology, in video format, from the Disney suits responsible for this garbage.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: KingCheops on July 28, 2021, 08:57:57 PM
The truly crazy thing is that the Mandalorian did a better job of female empowerment than the sequel trilogy did by being realistic and not propaganda.  And then the Paladins went and kicked off one of the better female role models on the show!  My daughter doesn't really give two shits about Rey but boy oh boy did she love Cara Dune.

There are rumbles that they are calling her back. Of course now it's Gina Carano that holds all the cards, so Disney may just not want to look as the entity that "folded". The hope is that she and Jon Favreau will reach an amicable agreement - because it was Kathleen Kennedy's faction who torpedoed her.

I'm sure hoping that's the case.  I was excited for her and Paul Sun-Hyung Lee to be big parts of Rangers of the New Republic.  It was supposedly going to be a key cog in the overarching Thrawn storyline.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Reckall on July 29, 2021, 04:34:01 AM
I am strongly of the opinion that Carano shouldn't go back to company that treated her like shit, while letting Pascal do pretty much the same thing without a peep.
If she does, she should first get Disney to make a public, grovelling, apology, in video format, from the Disney suits responsible for this garbage.

The Disney suits responsible are, basically, Kathleen Kennedy. Gina Carano, Jon Favreau and Dave Filoni enjoyed a great working relationship and her character was crucial for the Disney+'s Star Wars new series. Kathleen Kennedy couldn't accept the fact that someone was showing in practice that "Star Wars" could still be a thing if properly done. Stabbing Gina Carano in the back was a petty gesture by someone who should care about Lucasfilm as a whole, not only about her demesne inside it.

Then the pandemic hit, Disney had to shut down everything, and it turned out that Kennedy had damaged the only light still on: Disney+. It was sheer misfortune, true, but she did what she did at the worst possible moment.

It is no mystery that Kennedy is next in line to be torpedoed. Her management of the Star Wars brand was appalling even to outsiders who simply study these things out of professional interest. She ditched decades of expanded universe's books, comics and videogames, for example, only to whine that "Marvel had a great reserve of stories to build from, they had to do everything from scratch".

And it is no mystery that Disney is working on a narrative plan that will erase the new trilogy from canon.

The interesting thing is that one of the most vocal critics of how Star Wars was managed (after Mark Hamill) is... John Boyega! He openly said that the marketing pimped a lot the idea of a black stormtrooper who could become a jedi (just rewatch "The Force Awakens" posters and trailers), but that factually everything had to be about Rey and her being a Mary Sue standard bearer. The whole concept of John Boyega as a "Toxic racist male" is heartwarming...
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ghostmaker on July 29, 2021, 08:13:43 AM
I refer to A-game threads as 'hunting over bait for mods'.

If you don't 'read the thread' very carefully, whatever you post will earn you a ban.

It's one more way for TBP mods to scratch their banhammer itch.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Reckall on July 29, 2021, 08:24:16 AM
What the hell is a A game?

You must be careful in what you say or you will get banned.

In an "A Game" thread you must be extremely careful in what you say or you will be banned.

IE you better agree with the mods and the board culture, unconditionally and enthusiastically.

But never, ever say that.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: RandyB on July 29, 2021, 10:32:40 AM
TBP is Revolutionary Paris writ small. Only there will be no Bonaparte to give them a figurative "whiff of grapeshot". Instead they will consume themselves like the Oroborus and go the way of AoL and MySpace.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ratman_tf on July 29, 2021, 02:58:37 PM
I am strongly of the opinion that Carano shouldn't go back to company that treated her like shit, while letting Pascal do pretty much the same thing without a peep.
If she does, she should first get Disney to make a public, grovelling, apology, in video format, from the Disney suits responsible for this garbage.

The Disney suits responsible are, basically, Kathleen Kennedy. Gina Carano, Jon Favreau and Dave Filoni enjoyed a great working relationship and her character was crucial for the Disney+'s Star Wars new series. Kathleen Kennedy couldn't accept the fact that someone was showing in practice that "Star Wars" could still be a thing if properly done. Stabbing Gina Carano in the back was a petty gesture by someone who should care about Lucasfilm as a whole, not only about her demesne inside it.

Then the pandemic hit, Disney had to shut down everything, and it turned out that Kennedy had damaged the only light still on: Disney+. It was sheer misfortune, true, but she did what she did at the worst possible moment.

It is no mystery that Kennedy is next in line to be torpedoed. Her management of the Star Wars brand was appalling even to outsiders who simply study these things out of professional interest. She ditched decades of expanded universe's books, comics and videogames, for example, only to whine that "Marvel had a great reserve of stories to build from, they had to do everything from scratch".

And it is no mystery that Disney is working on a narrative plan that will erase the new trilogy from canon.

The interesting thing is that one of the most vocal critics of how Star Wars was managed (after Mark Hamill) is... John Boyega! He openly said that the marketing pimped a lot the idea of a black stormtrooper who could become a jedi (just rewatch "The Force Awakens" posters and trailers), but that factually everything had to be about Rey and her being a Mary Sue standard bearer. The whole concept of John Boyega as a "Toxic racist male" is heartwarming...

I didn't name Kennedy because it's too easy to dump all the blame on her. There are a host of people at Lucasfilm that went along with this. I'm sure there's at least one other person at Disney/Lucasfilm who backed her play. Probably many.
I despise how Kennedy has run the franchise into the ground, but I also despise the people who helped it happen.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Reckall on July 29, 2021, 06:32:11 PM
I didn't name Kennedy because it's too easy to dump all the blame on her. There are a host of people at Lucasfilm that went along with this. I'm sure there's at least one other person at Disney/Lucasfilm who backed her play. Probably many.
I despise how Kennedy has run the franchise into the ground, but I also despise the people who helped it happen.

For sure Bob Iger approved her management, at least initially. "The Force Awakens" was terribly derivative, but enjoyable as a "sugar rush". "Rogue One" went through a lot of trouble but the end result was fine. Everything collapsed with "The Last Jedi" (as I said elsewhere, when I first watched it I came out of the theatre wondering if they had distributed the wrong version...) However TLJ was deliriously "embraced" by SJWs and Disney found itself in a quagmire: how they could fire the "story group" that had run the franchise to the ground, after their movie was being exalted by "The Custodians of Pop Culture" (*) and, even worse, while with a woman at the head?

I never liked J.J. Abrams as a content creator (in person he seems a nice guy). To me he is a hack of the worst kind (sadly, I meet many in my career in comic books; and yes, almost all of them went farther than me...  ;) ) However, helming "The Rise of Skywalker" would have been a desperate task for everyone. It is known that Abrams got a list of things that had to be in the movie, and if you look closely TRoS takes TLJ, scene by scene, and does the exact opposite. IMHO, only Bob Iger could have ordered something so radical, but letting thing go out of control the way they did was a serious dereliction of duty. And then the curtain fell on the whole mess.

(*) Since our good friend Ghostmaker wasn't able to post an example of "leftist foolishness" in another thread, I'll do it for him here. Fiery defence for TLJ values produced pearls like this one:

https://www.esquire.com/entertainment/movies/a25560063/how-fans-ruined-star-wars-the-last-jedi-2018/

"...These trolls launched an entire campaign to finance their own fan-made Star Wars film. While this is a laughable idea for delusional racists [because if you want to finance an independent Star Wars film you are a delusional racist: one thing logically follows the other], the message was clear. As the campaign’s manifesto read, "The fans are completely divided [we know: YOU wrote earlier "45 percent from fans on Rotten Tomatoes"] and the core goal of Star Wars has been abandoned. The goal is to not make one half of the fandom happy over the other, it is to make a film that the fandom in general as a whole enjoys." [the point, here, being condemning this statement for its absolute banality, I guess] [...] It’s fucking insanity. And let me just take a moment right here to remind you that this is a family movie, largely designed to sell toys to children [which, as it happened, is exactly what it failed to do, so maybe the "trolls" had a point.]

This was, of course, 2018. In the modern age, the way "Star Wars" was mismanaged is the object of studies. Maybe Rustin Cole is right: the light is winning.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Shasarak on July 29, 2021, 07:33:33 PM
I didn't name Kennedy because it's too easy to dump all the blame on her. There are a host of people at Lucasfilm that went along with this. I'm sure there's at least one other person at Disney/Lucasfilm who backed her play. Probably many.
I despise how Kennedy has run the franchise into the ground, but I also despise the people who helped it happen.

For sure Bob Iger approved her management, at least initially. "The Force Awakens" was terribly derivative, but enjoyable as a "sugar rush".

The Force Awakens was terrible and things just got worse from there.

Getting through shields by traveling through hyperspace levels of retardation.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ratman_tf on July 29, 2021, 07:46:06 PM
I didn't name Kennedy because it's too easy to dump all the blame on her. There are a host of people at Lucasfilm that went along with this. I'm sure there's at least one other person at Disney/Lucasfilm who backed her play. Probably many.
I despise how Kennedy has run the franchise into the ground, but I also despise the people who helped it happen.

For sure Bob Iger approved her management, at least initially. "The Force Awakens" was terribly derivative, but enjoyable as a "sugar rush".

That's where I differ from a lot of people. I really did not like TFA even as a mindless popcorn flick outside the context of being a Star Wars film. I thought it typical of JJ Abrams. Shallow drama with little effective groundwork to earn the drama. Frantic action and forgettable characters.
As a Star Wars film, it was downright atrocrious. Reversing a lot of character development from the original movies, and bumping off a main character (Han Solo) for that cheap drama. To top it all off, they dumped his dead ass down a reactor shaft, just like Emperor Palapatine. I could hear JJ Abrams hocking up a loogie to spit on the original trilogy.

I think TFA aimed the franchise into the ground. It was The Last Jedi that simply stepped on the gas.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Armchair Gamer on July 29, 2021, 08:08:33 PM
As a Star Wars film, it was downright atrocrious. Reversing a lot of character development from the original movies, and bumping off a main character (Han Solo) for that cheap drama. To top it all off, they dumped his dead ass down a reactor shaft, just like Emperor Palapatine. I could hear JJ Abrams hocking up a loogie to spit on the original trilogy.

I think TFA aimed the franchise into the ground. It was The Last Jedi that simply stepped on the gas.

   I never took that much offense at Han's death because I strongly suspected it was a sine qua non to get Harrison Ford back. That said, TFA definitely aimed the franchise in the wrong direction, but IMO, it left just enough wiggle room that someone who knew what they were doing and loved Star Wars could have pulled out of the dive and made something worthwhile. Instead ...

   (I can understand maybe looking askance at George Lucas' plot ideas, but they had Timothy Zahn offering to assist with story and turned him down.  :o)
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ghostmaker on July 29, 2021, 08:11:41 PM
As a Star Wars film, it was downright atrocrious. Reversing a lot of character development from the original movies, and bumping off a main character (Han Solo) for that cheap drama. To top it all off, they dumped his dead ass down a reactor shaft, just like Emperor Palapatine. I could hear JJ Abrams hocking up a loogie to spit on the original trilogy.

I think TFA aimed the franchise into the ground. It was The Last Jedi that simply stepped on the gas.

   I never took that much offense at Han's death because I strongly suspected it was a sine qua non to get Harrison Ford back. That said, TFA definitely aimed the franchise in the wrong direction, but IMO, it left just enough wiggle room that someone who knew what they were doing and loved Star Wars could have pulled out of the dive and made something worthwhile. Instead ...

   (I can understand maybe looking askance at George Lucas' plot ideas, but they had Timothy Zahn offering to assist with story and turned him down.  :o)
I never understood that.

OK, I can grok not wanting to outright adapt EU stuff, because you're gonna have to pay shitloads of money to people and handle the rights. But surely you could throw enough moolah at just Zahn to adapt some of his stuff! Christ, Disney, you dropped four fucking billion on this franchise. Why get tight fisted now?
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Zelen on July 29, 2021, 08:32:49 PM
If Disney were smart they would create animated film adaptations of the EU material. You literally can't do the on-screen reunion so many fans wanted, but you could at least do something close as an animated series.

Question: Will we see Disney do a complete Star Wars reboot in the next decade? Or was The Farce Awokens enough of a reboot that we don't need it?
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Armchair Gamer on July 29, 2021, 08:44:21 PM
OK, I can grok not wanting to outright adapt EU stuff, because you're gonna have to pay shitloads of money to people and handle the rights. But surely you could throw enough moolah at just Zahn to adapt some of his stuff! Christ, Disney, you dropped four fucking billion on this franchise. Why get tight fisted now?

    Technically, it all belongs to Lucasfilm (and thus the Mouseferatu now), but there may be issues with credit or the like as I understand it.

    The irony is that they wind up doing a bad knockoff of Dark Empire for the final film*, whereas if they'd actually committed to DE with the new characters and timeframe from the beginning, not only could they have made it work, it would have been simple to get most of what they wanted--back to Rebels vs. Empire, Luke Skywalker absent for the first film, "expectations subverted"--with only a few tweaks. Make the 'First Order' the resurgent Empire out of the Deep Core, and end the film with Rey arriving on Byss and finding out Palpatine's alive and Luke is at his side. Spend VIII dealing with the question "Has Luke gone over to the Dark Side, or is he in deep cover trying to overcome Palpatine--or both?" and end with Luke sacrificing himself to save Rey.

    It's not what I would have wanted, but it would have gotten them much of what they wanted without being nearly so slapdash and insulting to the fans.

    *As I understand it; I've never seen The Rise of Skywalker and have no intention of doing so.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Reckall on July 30, 2021, 06:25:05 AM
I didn't name Kennedy because it's too easy to dump all the blame on her. There are a host of people at Lucasfilm that went along with this. I'm sure there's at least one other person at Disney/Lucasfilm who backed her play. Probably many.
I despise how Kennedy has run the franchise into the ground, but I also despise the people who helped it happen.

For sure Bob Iger approved her management, at least initially. "The Force Awakens" was terribly derivative, but enjoyable as a "sugar rush".

That's where I differ from a lot of people. I really did not like TFA even as a mindless popcorn flick outside the context of being a Star Wars film. I thought it typical of JJ Abrams. Shallow drama with little effective groundwork to earn the drama. Frantic action and forgettable characters.

This.

Five minutes after watching it I already was counting the holes. The Millennium Falcon escapes from Jakku and... Where is Kylo Ren's Star Destroyer? The one that we know being in orbit, from which the very TIE fighters that chased the Falcon come from? Nothing.

Or Poe disappearing in a sinkhole only to return "just like that". There is an area full of spaceship remains: just add a line about how he fell into a ship's buried compartment, hit his head, and when he managed to climb out Finn was already gone.

But, as I said, at the end I enjoyed it for what it was. The key scene was the ending (when Mark Hamill acts more in 30 seconds that all the other characters put together in the whole film). It was full of promise and possibilities for better directors. It was when Ryan Johnson turned it into a Benny Hill skit that I knew that Star Wars was doomed.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Shasarak on July 30, 2021, 08:34:58 AM
You say Benny Hill skit as if it is a bad thing?  ???
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ghostmaker on July 30, 2021, 09:10:56 AM
Back on track here.

Angel of the Dawn gets the axe: https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/angel-of-the-dawn-receives-a-%F0%9F%92%80-permanent-ban.884861/

Official reason is 'sockpuppet', though the only recent socking ban was on nevander, so I guess it depends on how much you trust the mods.

Angel of the Dawn originally ate a thirty day ban for describing a fantasy setting involving slavery, which was later increased to six months because the mods of TBP are terrified of discussing anything problematic except in the most muted, pastel ways.

This is one of my biggest beefs with RPGnet and why I won't ever post there. You can't talk about ANYTHING that might be construed as even the slightest bit controversial, lest someone take offense. And because TBP's policy is 'the onus is on the poster to be clear', all it takes is some creative interpretation by some fucknugget and BOOM, off to Infractions you go.

Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Armchair Gamer on July 30, 2021, 09:36:07 AM
The salt in the wound there, IMO, is this recent tendency of stealthily increasing sentences at the last minute. That's at least twice now that someone's gotten a ban that's been radically extended just as the original is about to run out, and it's only marked as a tag-on to the original thread rather than a new infraction--who knows how well it's communicated to the 'offender'? I know RPGNet's moderation is almost completely arbitrary, but that still feels like dirty pool to me.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Shrieking Banshee on July 30, 2021, 10:02:23 AM
IMO, it left just enough wiggle room that someone who knew what they were doing and loved Star Wars could have pulled out of the dive and made something worthwhile. Instead ...

Wrong. The second they revealed ANODAH deathstar on the poster (and a BIGGER one to boot of course) the series was over. It wasn't 'Aiming' it at the wrong direction. It had murdered it.

If Star Wars is a series with just mindless explosions and scale with no context for anything: Yes TFA just continues that trend.
If Star Wars is a series with any amount of stakes, character development, internal consistency, themes then TFA killed them off with jyst its establishment.

Rian Johnson only followed the path set by a hack. JJ is just a master distractionsmith so people didn't notice.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ghostmaker on July 30, 2021, 10:17:27 AM
The salt in the wound there, IMO, is this recent tendency of stealthily increasing sentences at the last minute. That's at least twice now that someone's gotten a ban that's been radically extended just as the original is about to run out, and it's only marked as a tag-on to the original thread rather than a new infraction--who knows how well it's communicated to the 'offender'? I know RPGNet's moderation is almost completely arbitrary, but that still feels like dirty pool to me.
I've seen that as well. 'We're banning you for X amount of time and it'll be discussed backstage' is a similar shenanigan.

It IS dirty pool. Vaguely worded 'rules', mods who deliberately look for posters to ban, threads randomly flagged as 'A-game'...

What bugs me is how many RPG noobs go online, the first place they find is RPGnet, and then they look around and wonder what the hell is wrong with these people?
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Reckall on July 30, 2021, 11:59:39 AM
Rian Johnson only followed the path set by a hack. JJ is just a master distractionsmith so people didn't notice.

I disagree. Sure, J.J. Abrams is a hack and he is only good in creating questions without answers. But a good writer/director could have steered them towards something good.

Rey hadn't to be a Mary Sue. A Jason Bourne-like character would have been fine. "Master Luke, I never trained, I never knew that I had these talents. Who am I? I'm scared."

The mystery surrounding her parents was a big card: play it well.

DON'T TURN LUKE SKYWALKER INTO A WINO. Just don't do that.

And so on. The new trilogy could have been the reverse of the original one - which gave us "Star Rules" and "The Empire Kicks Ass" before devolving into "The Return of the Teddy Bears".
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Shrieking Banshee on July 30, 2021, 02:23:55 PM
I disagree. Sure, J.J. Abrams is a hack and he is only good in creating questions without answers. But a good writer/director could have steered them towards something good.

Nope. A master contortionist maybe, but the greatest damage had already been done to a setting.

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Rey hadn't to be a Mary Sue. A Jason Bourne-like character would have been fine.
She was already a Mary Sue. The prequels sucked (well partly) for the ease that the protagonists navigated their environment. Ray was already that way. If she in movie 1 could plow through the opposition her potential for interesting adventure was already limited.

Jason Bourne was still a runner. The implication was never that he could solo the entire US Black ops operation. There was a reason why Luke only learned the mind trick by movie 3.

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DON'T TURN LUKE SKYWALKER INTO A WINO. Just don't do that.

Any answer as to why Luke had left the universe in a shit state and allowed the empire to kidnap children on a multiplanet state, and abandon his friends as their kid became evil could only be answered with:
A: Impotence
B: Unwillingness
C: Utter bullshit contrivedness that would still require a degree of A & B.

He would have been a looser either way.

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"The Return of the Teddy Bears".

While stupid, as a guy removed from the marketting of that era the Ewoks come off more creepy then cute. They only take up a small portion of the film. The movie had so many more truly positive elements that stood out on their own.

TFA was more 'Midacloreans-The movie'. Nearly every scene was about 10 times worse then midicloreans.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ratman_tf on July 30, 2021, 02:46:20 PM
What have I done? :D
Is it that some topics can't sustain a whole thread, but can "live" in another thread as a side topic?
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Shrieking Banshee on July 30, 2021, 03:35:42 PM
Apologies. I had a similar breakup with GUTP forums.

Im sure its more SJW then when I left it, and I left it for being too coddling and soft. The slightest issue caused infractions
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Reckall on July 30, 2021, 04:46:13 PM
What have I done? :D
Is it that some topics can't sustain a whole thread, but can "live" in another thread as a side topic?

Well, OK  :D

Outing moment: only a few months ago there was another thread about TBP's craziness, and it was... fun is not the right word, but let's say quite interesting to analyse the madness over there. Now it is disturbing. We can't cure it, it is getting worse, and it is watching "1984" with John Hurt only that it never ends. I hate to use the word "uncomfortable" but this is how TBP is making me feel now. And claustrophobic. I'm not joking. Maybe this is the reason why I tend to derail threads...





























[I still think that TFA was salvageable toh]
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Wrath of God on July 31, 2021, 10:14:34 AM
So... do I see it correctly they accussed this nevander guy of being Angel of the Dawn sockpuppet?
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ghostmaker on August 01, 2021, 01:53:13 PM
So... do I see it correctly they accussed this nevander guy of being Angel of the Dawn sockpuppet?
No idea. They handed out another socking ban a day later to some guy named 'TypoCrusader'.

Keep in mind we have no idea what methodology they use to determine if someone is sockpuppeting. Are they IP tracking? Analyzing posting style? Performing haruspicy? Who knows.

I don't have a problem with banning sockpuppet accounts. I just don't trust these morons to be honest about things.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Wrath of God on August 01, 2021, 08:06:48 PM
Well they definitely took this excuse from their asses to ban me once upon a time.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: SHARK on August 01, 2021, 08:12:01 PM
Well they definitely took this excuse from their asses to ban me once upon a time.

Greetings!

Wrath of God! I can see that you are a new member here. I want to welcome you here to our little corner of the interweb.

Smoking lamp is always lit, and fine whiskey is always available--and fine coffee, too! ;D

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: robertliguori on August 01, 2021, 09:15:22 PM

Well, OK  :D

Outing moment: only a few months ago there was another thread about TBP's craziness, and it was... fun is not the right word, but let's say quite interesting to analyse the madness over there. Now it is disturbing. We can't cure it, it is getting worse, and it is watching "1984" with John Hurt only that it never ends. I hate to use the word "uncomfortable" but this is how TBP is making me feel now. And claustrophobic. I'm not joking. Maybe this is the reason why I tend to derail threads...


Honestly, I find a certain amount of value from these threads, no matter how repetitive, for a similar reason.  We all know that TBP is gonna TBP, but I find value in, when confronted with extremely confident people spouting aggressive nonsense and stamping out any dissenting voices to their nonsense, being able to move to a space out of said people's control, looking around, and being able to say "Yeah, it's not just me and I'm not taking crazy pills, that is legit nonsense, yes?"

But, at the end of the day, spaces exist out of the control of TBP's idiot brigade and their brethren (hat-tip to our host), and so we can indeed confirm, without fear of summary banning, whether or not some RPG.net bullshit is, in fact, bullshit.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ratman_tf on August 01, 2021, 10:19:49 PM

Well, OK  :D

Outing moment: only a few months ago there was another thread about TBP's craziness, and it was... fun is not the right word, but let's say quite interesting to analyse the madness over there. Now it is disturbing. We can't cure it, it is getting worse, and it is watching "1984" with John Hurt only that it never ends. I hate to use the word "uncomfortable" but this is how TBP is making me feel now. And claustrophobic. I'm not joking. Maybe this is the reason why I tend to derail threads...


Honestly, I find a certain amount of value from these threads, no matter how repetitive, for a similar reason.  We all know that TBP is gonna TBP, but I find value in, when confronted with extremely confident people spouting aggressive nonsense and stamping out any dissenting voices to their nonsense, being able to move to a space out of said people's control, looking around, and being able to say "Yeah, it's not just me and I'm not taking crazy pills, that is legit nonsense, yes?"

But, at the end of the day, spaces exist out of the control of TBP's idiot brigade and their brethren (hat-tip to our host), and so we can indeed confirm, without fear of summary banning, whether or not some RPG.net bullshit is, in fact, bullshit.

Emperors and their invisible clothes and all that. :)
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Kyle Aaron on August 02, 2021, 03:19:54 AM
To me, this is all an argument for limiting copyright to 15 years from creation, same as patents, and erasing trademarks from stuff. Because then since everyone will be able to make their own Winne The Pooh (or whatever) stories, Disney et al won't bother with endless sequels and remakes, but will try to come up with something new.

Just think of the huge amount of resources - money, time and and talented people - going into endless sequels and reboots. Now take those people and give them even one-tenth the money being spent on this stuff, give them free rein and see what they'd come up. It'd be great!
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ghostmaker on August 02, 2021, 08:30:02 AM

Well, OK  :D

Outing moment: only a few months ago there was another thread about TBP's craziness, and it was... fun is not the right word, but let's say quite interesting to analyse the madness over there. Now it is disturbing. We can't cure it, it is getting worse, and it is watching "1984" with John Hurt only that it never ends. I hate to use the word "uncomfortable" but this is how TBP is making me feel now. And claustrophobic. I'm not joking. Maybe this is the reason why I tend to derail threads...


Honestly, I find a certain amount of value from these threads, no matter how repetitive, for a similar reason.  We all know that TBP is gonna TBP, but I find value in, when confronted with extremely confident people spouting aggressive nonsense and stamping out any dissenting voices to their nonsense, being able to move to a space out of said people's control, looking around, and being able to say "Yeah, it's not just me and I'm not taking crazy pills, that is legit nonsense, yes?"

But, at the end of the day, spaces exist out of the control of TBP's idiot brigade and their brethren (hat-tip to our host), and so we can indeed confirm, without fear of summary banning, whether or not some RPG.net bullshit is, in fact, bullshit.
That's why I fired up this thread. The decisions being made in that so-called 'bastion of roleplaying games' make my stomach turn in disgust, because I think it's bad for the hobby. But I'm not so confident to think that I'm not the crazy one, and so I bring you these nuggets and ask if my analyses are off base.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ratman_tf on August 02, 2021, 10:49:41 AM

Well, OK  :D

Outing moment: only a few months ago there was another thread about TBP's craziness, and it was... fun is not the right word, but let's say quite interesting to analyse the madness over there. Now it is disturbing. We can't cure it, it is getting worse, and it is watching "1984" with John Hurt only that it never ends. I hate to use the word "uncomfortable" but this is how TBP is making me feel now. And claustrophobic. I'm not joking. Maybe this is the reason why I tend to derail threads...


Honestly, I find a certain amount of value from these threads, no matter how repetitive, for a similar reason.  We all know that TBP is gonna TBP, but I find value in, when confronted with extremely confident people spouting aggressive nonsense and stamping out any dissenting voices to their nonsense, being able to move to a space out of said people's control, looking around, and being able to say "Yeah, it's not just me and I'm not taking crazy pills, that is legit nonsense, yes?"

But, at the end of the day, spaces exist out of the control of TBP's idiot brigade and their brethren (hat-tip to our host), and so we can indeed confirm, without fear of summary banning, whether or not some RPG.net bullshit is, in fact, bullshit.
That's why I fired up this thread. The decisions being made in that so-called 'bastion of roleplaying games' make my stomach turn in disgust, because I think it's bad for the hobby. But I'm not so confident to think that I'm not the crazy one, and so I bring you these nuggets and ask if my analyses are off base.

To be fair, we are rather biased here. There being people who left or were banned. So our opinions of the place are bound to be colored by that.
Having said that, getting banned or leaving because of the insanity is becoming a motif.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Wildstar on August 02, 2021, 05:38:38 PM
Anyone else notice  some ban notices have gone missing?  Example a guy named SPAZ got a permaban earlier for having an inappropriate name, the posts gone.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Kiero on August 02, 2021, 05:41:04 PM
That's why I fired up this thread. The decisions being made in that so-called 'bastion of roleplaying games' make my stomach turn in disgust, because I think it's bad for the hobby. But I'm not so confident to think that I'm not the crazy one, and so I bring you these nuggets and ask if my analyses are off base.

I dread to think how many people, new to roleplaying, go on that site and are put off by the fruitcakes and loons they encounter on RPGnet.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: HappyDaze on August 02, 2021, 06:28:07 PM
That's why I fired up this thread. The decisions being made in that so-called 'bastion of roleplaying games' make my stomach turn in disgust, because I think it's bad for the hobby. But I'm not so confident to think that I'm not the crazy one, and so I bring you these nuggets and ask if my analyses are off base.

I dread to think how many people, new to roleplaying, go on that site and are put off by the fruitcakes and loons they encounter on RPGnet.
How many people, new to roleplaying, come to this site and are put off by the posters here?
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Eirikrautha on August 02, 2021, 07:14:37 PM
That's why I fired up this thread. The decisions being made in that so-called 'bastion of roleplaying games' make my stomach turn in disgust, because I think it's bad for the hobby. But I'm not so confident to think that I'm not the crazy one, and so I bring you these nuggets and ask if my analyses are off base.

I dread to think how many people, new to roleplaying, go on that site and are put off by the fruitcakes and loons they encounter on RPGnet.
How many people, new to roleplaying, come to this site and are put off by the posters here?
We try to explain to them that you are not representative of the majority of role-playing gamers, and that seems to reassure them for the most part.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: GeekyBugle on August 02, 2021, 08:34:41 PM
That's why I fired up this thread. The decisions being made in that so-called 'bastion of roleplaying games' make my stomach turn in disgust, because I think it's bad for the hobby. But I'm not so confident to think that I'm not the crazy one, and so I bring you these nuggets and ask if my analyses are off base.

I dread to think how many people, new to roleplaying, go on that site and are put off by the fruitcakes and loons they encounter on RPGnet.
How many people, new to roleplaying, come to this site and are put off by the posters here?
We try to explain to them that you are not representative of the majority of role-playing gamers, and that seems to reassure them for the most part.

Isn't it illegal to own someone that hard?
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: SHARK on August 02, 2021, 08:50:16 PM
That's why I fired up this thread. The decisions being made in that so-called 'bastion of roleplaying games' make my stomach turn in disgust, because I think it's bad for the hobby. But I'm not so confident to think that I'm not the crazy one, and so I bring you these nuggets and ask if my analyses are off base.

I dread to think how many people, new to roleplaying, go on that site and are put off by the fruitcakes and loons they encounter on RPGnet.
How many people, new to roleplaying, come to this site and are put off by the posters here?
We try to explain to them that you are not representative of the majority of role-playing gamers, and that seems to reassure them for the most part.

Isn't it illegal to own someone that hard?

Greetings!

*HOWLING* ;D

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Fergurg on August 02, 2021, 11:02:16 PM
Anyone else notice  some ban notices have gone missing?  Example a guy named SPAZ got a permaban earlier for having an inappropriate name, the posts gone.

Someone asked about it. The mods confirmed that they deleted the thread because the name of the person being banned is "offensive", confirmed that yes, the person is still banned.

They literally declared that SPAZ was unpersoned.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Spinachcat on August 03, 2021, 12:48:40 AM
If anyone here is still jacking around on theRPG.net and finds any poster who might be able to find their ass with both hands, please PM them with a link to our most wretched hive of scum and villainy.

Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Reckall on August 03, 2021, 06:11:33 AM
Anyone else notice  some ban notices have gone missing?  Example a guy named SPAZ got a permaban earlier for having an inappropriate name, the posts gone.

Someone asked about it. The mods confirmed that they deleted the thread because the name of the person being banned is "offensive", confirmed that yes, the person is still banned.

They literally declared that SPAZ was unpersoned.

In all fairness, "Spaz" is a derogatory slur and other forums too could have looked down at it, even more sane ones.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ghostmaker on August 03, 2021, 08:14:09 AM
They've unpersoned offensive names before, though 'spaz' seems fairly tame to me. But that's just my take.



Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: GeekyBugle on August 03, 2021, 10:36:54 AM
Anyone else notice  some ban notices have gone missing?  Example a guy named SPAZ got a permaban earlier for having an inappropriate name, the posts gone.

Someone asked about it. The mods confirmed that they deleted the thread because the name of the person being banned is "offensive", confirmed that yes, the person is still banned.

They literally declared that SPAZ was unpersoned.

In all fairness, "Spaz" is a derogatory slur and other forums too could have looked down at it, even more sane ones.

When used as a slur. Context matters.

A black person using N*****R as his "name" is using it as a slur?

It also could be an acronym, you, I and the puritans of TBP don't know why he choose that name.

I'm a Mexican, if I used beaner as my user name would you say it's a slur?
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Reckall on August 03, 2021, 12:18:14 PM
Anyone else notice  some ban notices have gone missing?  Example a guy named SPAZ got a permaban earlier for having an inappropriate name, the posts gone.

Someone asked about it. The mods confirmed that they deleted the thread because the name of the person being banned is "offensive", confirmed that yes, the person is still banned.

They literally declared that SPAZ was unpersoned.

In all fairness, "Spaz" is a derogatory slur and other forums too could have looked down at it, even more sane ones.

When used as a slur. Context matters.

A black person using N*****R as his "name" is using it as a slur?

It also could be an acronym, you, I and the puritans of TBP don't know why he choose that name.

I'm a Mexican, if I used beaner as my user name would you say it's a slur?

Here? No. If I were a Mod on TBP? Yes. You must be extra-careful there.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: GeekyBugle on August 03, 2021, 12:30:00 PM
Anyone else notice  some ban notices have gone missing?  Example a guy named SPAZ got a permaban earlier for having an inappropriate name, the posts gone.

Someone asked about it. The mods confirmed that they deleted the thread because the name of the person being banned is "offensive", confirmed that yes, the person is still banned.

They literally declared that SPAZ was unpersoned.

In all fairness, "Spaz" is a derogatory slur and other forums too could have looked down at it, even more sane ones.

When used as a slur. Context matters.

A black person using N*****R as his "name" is using it as a slur?

It also could be an acronym, you, I and the puritans of TBP don't know why he choose that name.

I'm a Mexican, if I used beaner as my user name would you say it's a slur?

Here? No. If I were a Mod on TBP? Yes. You must be extra-careful there.

Right, but you did say even more sane forums might look down at a username like Spaz. I replied that it's not a slur if not used as one.

So you're evading the question.

We all know TBP is crazytown and the inmates are running everything.

In a sane forum should Spaz as a username be prohibited? What if I'm a spastic? What if it's an acronym for something? What if it's Bengalese (It means Spaghetti) ?

And you didn't even know it (neither did I, I just used G translate).
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Reckall on August 03, 2021, 01:33:15 PM
Anyone else notice  some ban notices have gone missing?  Example a guy named SPAZ got a permaban earlier for having an inappropriate name, the posts gone.

Someone asked about it. The mods confirmed that they deleted the thread because the name of the person being banned is "offensive", confirmed that yes, the person is still banned.

They literally declared that SPAZ was unpersoned.

In all fairness, "Spaz" is a derogatory slur and other forums too could have looked down at it, even more sane ones.

When used as a slur. Context matters.

A black person using N*****R as his "name" is using it as a slur?

It also could be an acronym, you, I and the puritans of TBP don't know why he choose that name.

I'm a Mexican, if I used beaner as my user name would you say it's a slur?

Here? No. If I were a Mod on TBP? Yes. You must be extra-careful there.

Right, but you did say even more sane forums might look down at a username like Spaz. I replied that it's not a slur if not used as one.

So you're evading the question.

True, I didn't mention other fora, but just check the forum rules and almost everyone has one that says "Usernames and avatars can't be offensive in nature" (or "potentially offensive").

I randomly checked. This one is about Malaria:
https://malariaworld.org/page/forum-guidelines-rules

And this one is a city forum (OK, in Washington State...)
https://connect.sammamish.us/moderation

Just check for "Forum Rules Username" and you will find similar warnings in forums ranging from knitting (*) to the Smurfs.

(*) I would subscribe at once to knitting forum ruled like TBP...

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In a sane forum should Spaz as a username be prohibited? What if I'm a spastic? What if it's an acronym for something? What if it's Bengalese (It means Spaghetti) ?

You still have your signature to clarify that, and hope for the best.

BTW, "Black Man" in Spanish is "Hombre Negro" or "El Negro". Spanish should be more widely known than Bengalese. Try that and good luck. Don't forget to tell us the results.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: GeekyBugle on August 03, 2021, 02:14:41 PM
Anyone else notice  some ban notices have gone missing?  Example a guy named SPAZ got a permaban earlier for having an inappropriate name, the posts gone.

Someone asked about it. The mods confirmed that they deleted the thread because the name of the person being banned is "offensive", confirmed that yes, the person is still banned.

They literally declared that SPAZ was unpersoned.

In all fairness, "Spaz" is a derogatory slur and other forums too could have looked down at it, even more sane ones.

When used as a slur. Context matters.

A black person using N*****R as his "name" is using it as a slur?

It also could be an acronym, you, I and the puritans of TBP don't know why he choose that name.

I'm a Mexican, if I used beaner as my user name would you say it's a slur?

Here? No. If I were a Mod on TBP? Yes. You must be extra-careful there.

Right, but you did say even more sane forums might look down at a username like Spaz. I replied that it's not a slur if not used as one.

So you're evading the question.

True, I didn't mention other fora, but just check the forum rules and almost everyone has one that says "Usernames and avatars can't be offensive in nature" (or "potentially offensive").

I randomly checked. This one is about Malaria:
https://malariaworld.org/page/forum-guidelines-rules

And this one is a city forum (OK, in Washington State...)
https://connect.sammamish.us/moderation

Just check for "Forum Rules Username" and you will find similar warnings in forums ranging from knitting (*) to the Smurfs.

(*) I would subscribe at once to knitting forum ruled like TBP...

Quote
In a sane forum should Spaz as a username be prohibited? What if I'm a spastic? What if it's an acronym for something? What if it's Bengalese (It means Spaghetti) ?

You still have your signature to clarify that, and hope for the best.

BTW, "Black Man" in Spanish is "Hombre Negro" or "El Negro". Spanish should be more widely known than Bengalese. Try that and good luck. Don't forget to tell us the results.

We know the results, that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about to you seemingly siding with the censors.

Edited to add: Muchas gracias por la lección de español, casi se me olvida mi lengua nativa.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Reckall on August 03, 2021, 04:27:17 PM
Anyone else notice  some ban notices have gone missing?  Example a guy named SPAZ got a permaban earlier for having an inappropriate name, the posts gone.

Someone asked about it. The mods confirmed that they deleted the thread because the name of the person being banned is "offensive", confirmed that yes, the person is still banned.

They literally declared that SPAZ was unpersoned.

In all fairness, "Spaz" is a derogatory slur and other forums too could have looked down at it, even more sane ones.

When used as a slur. Context matters.

A black person using N*****R as his "name" is using it as a slur?

It also could be an acronym, you, I and the puritans of TBP don't know why he choose that name.

I'm a Mexican, if I used beaner as my user name would you say it's a slur?

Here? No. If I were a Mod on TBP? Yes. You must be extra-careful there.

Right, but you did say even more sane forums might look down at a username like Spaz. I replied that it's not a slur if not used as one.

So you're evading the question.

True, I didn't mention other fora, but just check the forum rules and almost everyone has one that says "Usernames and avatars can't be offensive in nature" (or "potentially offensive").

I randomly checked. This one is about Malaria:
https://malariaworld.org/page/forum-guidelines-rules

And this one is a city forum (OK, in Washington State...)
https://connect.sammamish.us/moderation

Just check for "Forum Rules Username" and you will find similar warnings in forums ranging from knitting (*) to the Smurfs.

(*) I would subscribe at once to knitting forum ruled like TBP...

Quote
In a sane forum should Spaz as a username be prohibited? What if I'm a spastic? What if it's an acronym for something? What if it's Bengalese (It means Spaghetti) ?

You still have your signature to clarify that, and hope for the best.

BTW, "Black Man" in Spanish is "Hombre Negro" or "El Negro". Spanish should be more widely known than Bengalese. Try that and good luck. Don't forget to tell us the results.

We know the results, that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about to you seemingly siding with the censors.

A mod is bound to enforce the rules of his forum. Many would find "Spaz" really toeing the line. Personally? Yes I agree.

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Edited to add: Muchas gracias por la lección de español, casi se me olvida mi lengua nativa.

Lo so, sei messicano. :D Non credo che tu avrai problemi con "Negro" in un forum in spagnolo. Eppure io li avrei in un forum in italiano.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: GeekyBugle on August 03, 2021, 04:56:39 PM
Anyone else notice  some ban notices have gone missing?  Example a guy named SPAZ got a permaban earlier for having an inappropriate name, the posts gone.

Someone asked about it. The mods confirmed that they deleted the thread because the name of the person being banned is "offensive", confirmed that yes, the person is still banned.

They literally declared that SPAZ was unpersoned.

In all fairness, "Spaz" is a derogatory slur and other forums too could have looked down at it, even more sane ones.

When used as a slur. Context matters.

A black person using N*****R as his "name" is using it as a slur?

It also could be an acronym, you, I and the puritans of TBP don't know why he choose that name.

I'm a Mexican, if I used beaner as my user name would you say it's a slur?

Here? No. If I were a Mod on TBP? Yes. You must be extra-careful there.

Right, but you did say even more sane forums might look down at a username like Spaz. I replied that it's not a slur if not used as one.

So you're evading the question.

True, I didn't mention other fora, but just check the forum rules and almost everyone has one that says "Usernames and avatars can't be offensive in nature" (or "potentially offensive").

I randomly checked. This one is about Malaria:
https://malariaworld.org/page/forum-guidelines-rules

And this one is a city forum (OK, in Washington State...)
https://connect.sammamish.us/moderation

Just check for "Forum Rules Username" and you will find similar warnings in forums ranging from knitting (*) to the Smurfs.

(*) I would subscribe at once to knitting forum ruled like TBP...

Quote
In a sane forum should Spaz as a username be prohibited? What if I'm a spastic? What if it's an acronym for something? What if it's Bengalese (It means Spaghetti) ?

You still have your signature to clarify that, and hope for the best.

BTW, "Black Man" in Spanish is "Hombre Negro" or "El Negro". Spanish should be more widely known than Bengalese. Try that and good luck. Don't forget to tell us the results.

We know the results, that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about to you seemingly siding with the censors.

A mod is bound to enforce the rules of his forum. Many would find "Spaz" really toeing the line. Personally? Yes I agree.

Quote
Edited to add: Muchas gracias por la lección de español, casi se me olvida mi lengua nativa.

Lo so, sei messicano. :D Non credo che tu avrai problemi con "Negro" in un forum in spagnolo. Eppure io li avrei in un forum in italiano.

Yeah, Italy is almost as fucked as the UK.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Shasarak on August 03, 2021, 05:06:46 PM
I'm a Mexican, if I used beaner as my user name would you say it's a slur?

Only if it was Trader Joes Beans.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Reckall on August 03, 2021, 05:11:59 PM
Anyone else notice  some ban notices have gone missing?  Example a guy named SPAZ got a permaban earlier for having an inappropriate name, the posts gone.

Someone asked about it. The mods confirmed that they deleted the thread because the name of the person being banned is "offensive", confirmed that yes, the person is still banned.

They literally declared that SPAZ was unpersoned.

In all fairness, "Spaz" is a derogatory slur and other forums too could have looked down at it, even more sane ones.

When used as a slur. Context matters.

A black person using N*****R as his "name" is using it as a slur?

It also could be an acronym, you, I and the puritans of TBP don't know why he choose that name.

I'm a Mexican, if I used beaner as my user name would you say it's a slur?

Here? No. If I were a Mod on TBP? Yes. You must be extra-careful there.

Right, but you did say even more sane forums might look down at a username like Spaz. I replied that it's not a slur if not used as one.

So you're evading the question.

True, I didn't mention other fora, but just check the forum rules and almost everyone has one that says "Usernames and avatars can't be offensive in nature" (or "potentially offensive").

I randomly checked. This one is about Malaria:
https://malariaworld.org/page/forum-guidelines-rules

And this one is a city forum (OK, in Washington State...)
https://connect.sammamish.us/moderation

Just check for "Forum Rules Username" and you will find similar warnings in forums ranging from knitting (*) to the Smurfs.

(*) I would subscribe at once to knitting forum ruled like TBP...

Quote
In a sane forum should Spaz as a username be prohibited? What if I'm a spastic? What if it's an acronym for something? What if it's Bengalese (It means Spaghetti) ?

You still have your signature to clarify that, and hope for the best.

BTW, "Black Man" in Spanish is "Hombre Negro" or "El Negro". Spanish should be more widely known than Bengalese. Try that and good luck. Don't forget to tell us the results.

We know the results, that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about to you seemingly siding with the censors.

A mod is bound to enforce the rules of his forum. Many would find "Spaz" really toeing the line. Personally? Yes I agree.

Quote
Edited to add: Muchas gracias por la lección de español, casi se me olvida mi lengua nativa.

Lo so, sei messicano. :D Non credo che tu avrai problemi con "Negro" in un forum in spagnolo. Eppure io li avrei in un forum in italiano.

Yeah, Italy is almost as fucked as the UK.

Luckily, no. You just have to ignore Twitter, but no one gets cancelled here, and "wokeism" is still not a thing. The Italian inability to look outside our borders is embarrassing but sometimes it saves us from bad virii.

"Negro", however, is considered a slur since I was in elementary school - and a childish one at that. Since we have "Nero" ("Black") we use that instead.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: wmarshal on August 03, 2021, 08:43:17 PM
They've really been leaning into the "A Game" excuse to find reasons to censure and ban posters lately.

NOT WOKE ENOUGH!
It a thread gets marked “A-Game” that them basically making it explicit that the thread servers the same purpose as Big Brothers ‘Two Minutes of Hate’. You can only voice strident support for the premise of the thread. It does not actually mean ‘bring your A-Game arguments and debate’. The point of the Two Minutes of Hate was to reinforce people’s hatred against the Party’s chosen target, and it could not allow any interruption to the process, such as a counter-argument or examination of a topic, as that would invalidate the goal of the exercise. The A-Game threads seem to work on the same principle.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: wmarshal on August 03, 2021, 09:07:42 PM
If a thread doesn’t get marked as an A-Game it does present an opportunity to interrupt the Two Minutes of Hate that might be starting up in a thread. This thread, for example, was using the premise that capitalism was bad for the environment with the apparent intent of letting everyone get a ‘Hate-On’ against capitalism:

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/is-capitalism-actually-terrible-for-the-environment.884412/

A few pointed out that far worse environmental disasters occurred at the hands of the communists with examples, which messed with their Two Minutes of Hate. A few of the other anti-capitalism posters even started to try use the canard “that wasn’t real communism”. The mods, shut the thread down because they were worried about the direction on the thread, meaning they didn’t like the pushback against the OP’s premise, and the arguments were making some of their terrible friends look terrible.

If another similar thread gets started I wouldn’t be surprised if the mods find a rationale for labeling the new thread as ‘A-Game’, and thus have clearance to ban anyone who argues counter to the premise.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ghostmaker on August 10, 2021, 09:06:11 AM
LOL. Evidently TBP can't handle 'Y: The Last Man'.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/teaser-trailer-for-y-the-last-man-series-on-hulu.884821/post-24001813

"The mods are closing this thread for, quite frankly, a horrid assortment of issues mainly coming from the comic itself and it's treatment of marginalized people. Please do not start another thread about the show or comic without mod approval."

One schmuck ate a 30-day for talking about how good it'd be that all the males were dead.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/damian-may-receives-a-%F0%9F%9A%AB-thirty-day-ban-sexism-advocating-eugenics.885246/

Meanwhile, CK! gets a warning and threadban for taking offense over another poster's interpretation of the Pendragon rules:

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/ck-receives-a-%F0%9F%94%B4-warning-and-threadban.885320/

I'm surprised they allow Pendragon to be discussed at all, considering how nonwoke the game is.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Godfather Punk on August 10, 2021, 09:19:16 AM
I wonder how they would react to a thread about 'The Screwfly Solution' then.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ghostmaker on August 10, 2021, 10:17:56 AM
I wonder how they would react to a thread about 'The Screwfly Solution' then.
Holy shit, I've read that story and it was disturbing as hell.

But yeah, they'd lose their minds.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Reckall on August 10, 2021, 10:41:14 AM
LOL. Evidently TBP can't handle 'Y: The Last Man'.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/teaser-trailer-for-y-the-last-man-series-on-hulu.884821/post-24001813

"The mods are closing this thread for, quite frankly, a horrid assortment of issues mainly coming from the comic itself and it's treatment of marginalized people. Please do not start another thread about the show or comic without mod approval."

It is worth mentioning that the comic book consistently enjoyed both critical and public acclaim since it was published back in 2002-2008; and that, as a 60 issues series, the plot goes well beyond the premise.

I do not think that the mods know the original comic book at all. Not that this would surprise me ::)
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ghostmaker on August 10, 2021, 11:44:25 AM
LOL. Evidently TBP can't handle 'Y: The Last Man'.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/teaser-trailer-for-y-the-last-man-series-on-hulu.884821/post-24001813

"The mods are closing this thread for, quite frankly, a horrid assortment of issues mainly coming from the comic itself and it's treatment of marginalized people. Please do not start another thread about the show or comic without mod approval."

It is worth mentioning that the comic book consistently enjoyed both critical and public acclaim since it was published back in 2002-2008; and that, as a 60 issues series, the plot goes well beyond the premise.

I do not think that the mods know the original comic book at all. Not that this would surprise me ::)
Well, yes, it did. As tales go it wasn't a bad yarn.

But remember, if they actually read the comic they might let doubleplusungoodthink into their brains.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: KingCheops on August 10, 2021, 11:47:29 AM
Are they allowed to read anything other than Das Capital and works by Te-Nehisi Coates?
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: GeekyBugle on August 10, 2021, 02:22:23 PM
LOL. Evidently TBP can't handle 'Y: The Last Man'.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/teaser-trailer-for-y-the-last-man-series-on-hulu.884821/post-24001813

"The mods are closing this thread for, quite frankly, a horrid assortment of issues mainly coming from the comic itself and it's treatment of marginalized people. Please do not start another thread about the show or comic without mod approval."

One schmuck ate a 30-day for talking about how good it'd be that all the males were dead.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/damian-may-receives-a-%F0%9F%9A%AB-thirty-day-ban-sexism-advocating-eugenics.885246/

Meanwhile, CK! gets a warning and threadban for taking offense over another poster's interpretation of the Pendragon rules:

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/ck-receives-a-%F0%9F%94%B4-warning-and-threadban.885320/

I'm surprised they allow Pendragon to be discussed at all, considering how nonwoke the game is.

Not surprising, in that comic any animal with a Y chromosome dies, except the sole man.

Therefore trans-Men don't die and Trans-Women do die therefore contradicting the cult's dogma that Trans-Women are Women and Trans-Men are Men.

How dare the author recognize actual biology!!!!!!
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: GeekyBugle on August 10, 2021, 02:23:09 PM
Are they allowed to read anything other than Das Capital and works by Te-Nehisi Coates?

White fragility for starters must be a mandatory read.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: GeekyBugle on August 10, 2021, 02:24:04 PM
LOL. Evidently TBP can't handle 'Y: The Last Man'.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/teaser-trailer-for-y-the-last-man-series-on-hulu.884821/post-24001813

"The mods are closing this thread for, quite frankly, a horrid assortment of issues mainly coming from the comic itself and it's treatment of marginalized people. Please do not start another thread about the show or comic without mod approval."

It is worth mentioning that the comic book consistently enjoyed both critical and public acclaim since it was published back in 2002-2008; and that, as a 60 issues series, the plot goes well beyond the premise.

I do not think that the mods know the original comic book at all. Not that this would surprise me ::)

They haven't read it no, but they know enough to know it contradicts part of their cult's dogma.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: KingCheops on August 10, 2021, 03:25:00 PM
Are they allowed to read anything other than Das Capital and works by Te-Nehisi Coates?

White fragility for starters must be a mandatory read.

I couldn't remember the cunt's name so didn't bother including it.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ratman_tf on August 10, 2021, 03:37:02 PM
LOL. Evidently TBP can't handle 'Y: The Last Man'.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/teaser-trailer-for-y-the-last-man-series-on-hulu.884821/post-24001813

"The mods are closing this thread for, quite frankly, a horrid assortment of issues mainly coming from the comic itself and it's treatment of marginalized people. Please do not start another thread about the show or comic without mod approval."

One schmuck ate a 30-day for talking about how good it'd be that all the males were dead.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/damian-may-receives-a-%F0%9F%9A%AB-thirty-day-ban-sexism-advocating-eugenics.885246/

I'll give RPG.net moderation props, if they're going to be a bunch of banhappy assholes anyway, for slapping down a really offensive post.

But then they shut down the thead because... reasons...
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Shasarak on August 10, 2021, 04:41:53 PM
But then they shut down the thead because... reasons...

Ratman you just dont understand how hard being a Moderator is.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: GriswaldTerrastone on August 10, 2021, 04:52:00 PM
What has happened to society?
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: wmarshal on August 10, 2021, 05:24:29 PM
LOL. Evidently TBP can't handle 'Y: The Last Man'.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/teaser-trailer-for-y-the-last-man-series-on-hulu.884821/post-24001813

"The mods are closing this thread for, quite frankly, a horrid assortment of issues mainly coming from the comic itself and it's treatment of marginalized people. Please do not start another thread about the show or comic without mod approval."

One schmuck ate a 30-day for talking about how good it'd be that all the males were dead.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/damian-may-receives-a-%F0%9F%9A%AB-thirty-day-ban-sexism-advocating-eugenics.885246/

Meanwhile, CK! gets a warning and threadban for taking offense over another poster's interpretation of the Pendragon rules:

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/ck-receives-a-%F0%9F%94%B4-warning-and-threadban.885320/

I'm surprised they allow Pendragon to be discussed at all, considering how nonwoke the game is.

Not surprising, in that comic any animal with a Y chromosome dies, except the sole man.

Therefore trans-Men don't die and Trans-Women do die therefore contradicting the cult's dogma that Trans-Women are Women and Trans-Men are Men.

How dare the author recognize actual biology!!!!!!

For the true believers of the Woke “Transmen are men, and transwomen are women” is for a practical purposes a mantra that gets repeated in the hopes that doing so will actually make it true. The more cynical of the bunch use it as an Orwellian means to verbally smash the boot into humanity’s face.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: GriswaldTerrastone on August 10, 2021, 05:37:37 PM
All right, a tad off-topic, but this should be said:

The problem with "trans-women" for example is that nobody likes them.


Trans-women" are insane men who want people to view them as actual women, right? The problem is, they are not, and no heterosexual man wants to have have sex with them. The only men who will are homosexuals, and only because "trans-women" are men, so that will not do.

Therefore the only way they can even get anywhere is through deception. Say a drunk guy in a dark bar somewhere, but of course it won't be long before...well, you know what I mean.

Now here's the real problem with leftism and feminism: since they are pushing for an increasingly broad (pun intended) definition of "rape by deception" in what way would this not count as rape? No heterosexual man wants any intimate relationship with "trans-women" so if it gets anywhere it must have been by force or by deception- therefore rape.

Let's just say that once again the hypocrisy of leftism will become clear.

But more chillingly, will the government recognize them legally as "women?" If so, then the waters have been muddied, which is exactly the intention- it would be a woman raping a man, and the feminists have made it clear this cannot happen.

But if they ARE "women" then they will get the special privileges women get, and feminists are not keen on that now are they?
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: GeekyBugle on August 10, 2021, 05:38:18 PM
Are they allowed to read anything other than Das Capital and works by Te-Nehisi Coates?

White fragility for starters must be a mandatory read.

I couldn't remember the cunt's name so didn't bother including it.

You mean her name isn't Cunt McCuntface?
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: KingCheops on August 10, 2021, 05:41:50 PM
Are they allowed to read anything other than Das Capital and works by Te-Nehisi Coates?

White fragility for starters must be a mandatory read.

I couldn't remember the cunt's name so didn't bother including it.

You mean her name isn't Cunt McCuntface?

Ah thanks!  That's the name!
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ghostmaker on August 17, 2021, 09:29:03 AM
Reading the Afghanistan thread on TBP is pretty funny. They're going back and forth from 'oh this is terrible' to 'FUCK THE RIGHT' but they can't bring themselves to put ANY blame on Biden at all.

There are a few holdouts who are hanging the albatross on Sleepy Joe, so I'll give credit where it's due.

But oh, the copium really is flowing freely in that thread.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: oggsmash on August 17, 2021, 09:34:26 AM
Reading the Afghanistan thread on TBP is pretty funny. They're going back and forth from 'oh this is terrible' to 'FUCK THE RIGHT' but they can't bring themselves to put ANY blame on Biden at all.

There are a few holdouts who are hanging the albatross on Sleepy Joe, so I'll give credit where it's due.

But oh, the copium really is flowing freely in that thread.

   Thing is, at the end of the day, a dude who has been in DC for over 50 years and never had a real job, and who did vote to invade Afghanistan...is to blame.  I think the exit was going to be Taliban takes over no matter what.  Of course I fully expect him to fuck this up more and take in 200k or so 'refugees'.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ghostmaker on August 17, 2021, 09:38:17 AM
Reading the Afghanistan thread on TBP is pretty funny. They're going back and forth from 'oh this is terrible' to 'FUCK THE RIGHT' but they can't bring themselves to put ANY blame on Biden at all.

There are a few holdouts who are hanging the albatross on Sleepy Joe, so I'll give credit where it's due.

But oh, the copium really is flowing freely in that thread.

   Thing is, at the end of the day, a dude who has been in DC for over 50 years and never had a real job, and who did vote to invade Afghanistan...is to blame.  I think the exit was going to be Taliban takes over no matter what.  Of course I fully expect him to fuck this up more and take in 200k or so 'refugees'.
And forget to collect the Americans still left behind in Afghanistan.

"Never underestimate Joe's ability to fuck things up." --Barack Obama
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ocule on August 17, 2021, 10:18:43 AM
Such as slap in the face to those who sacrificed everything in that shithole
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: oggsmash on August 17, 2021, 10:34:47 AM
Such as slap in the face to those who sacrificed everything in that shithole

   Well...I think enlisting in the military then and more so now is a classic parable about the frog and the scorpion.  If you keep giving the scorpion a ride, you can not complain about getting stung again and again.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ghostmaker on August 19, 2021, 08:21:02 AM
Back on track here.

Some of you saw that TheGlen had posted links to his homebrew 5E Mystara guide. I've checked it out myself, though I haven't had the time to write up my thoughts.

Welp...

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/the-glen-receives-a-%F0%9F%94%B4-warning-piracy.885738/

Stay classy, TBP.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Reckall on August 19, 2021, 08:36:36 AM
Back on track here.

Some of you saw that TheGlen had posted links to his homebrew 5E Mystara guide. I've checked it out myself, though I haven't had the time to write up my thoughts.

Welp...

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/the-glen-receives-a-%F0%9F%94%B4-warning-piracy.885738/

Stay classy, TBP.

Isn't something given away for free not piracy? ???
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ghostmaker on August 19, 2021, 09:00:32 AM
Back on track here.

Some of you saw that TheGlen had posted links to his homebrew 5E Mystara guide. I've checked it out myself, though I haven't had the time to write up my thoughts.

Welp...

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/the-glen-receives-a-%F0%9F%94%B4-warning-piracy.885738/

Stay classy, TBP.

Isn't something given away for free not piracy? ???
It's complicated. IP law in the U.S. is a giant shit sandwich.

However, issuing a fuckin' piracy warning to Mr. Welch has to be right up there in terms of worthless stupidity.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Armchair Gamer on August 19, 2021, 10:38:17 AM
It's complicated. IP law in the U.S. is a giant shit sandwich.

However, issuing a fuckin' piracy warning to Mr. Welch has to be right up there in terms of worthless stupidity.

   Yeah, calling it 'too much of a copyright violation for us to be comfortable with' would be one thing, but piracy is a step beyond that.

    But between this and the way they've come down hard on anyone criticizing pricing of products or paid GMing recently, I get the feeling that RPGNet is becoming more and more self-consciously a place for creators/producers as opposed to hobbyists.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Reckall on August 19, 2021, 11:20:16 AM
Back on track here.

Some of you saw that TheGlen had posted links to his homebrew 5E Mystara guide. I've checked it out myself, though I haven't had the time to write up my thoughts.

Welp...

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/the-glen-receives-a-%F0%9F%94%B4-warning-piracy.885738/

Stay classy, TBP.

Isn't something given away for free not piracy? ???
It's complicated. IP law in the U.S. is a giant shit sandwich.

However, issuing a fuckin' piracy warning to Mr. Welch has to be right up there in terms of worthless stupidity.

I only skimmed the 5E Mystara Guide. It does seem to be well done. But, most importantly, it made me check out my GAZ series (they are on a bookshelf near where I write). It is, literally, an invitation to discover Mystara for those who still don't know it. Should I ever play 5E, I can now start from Mystara. How such free advertising (the GAZs are on DrivethruRPG) can be labeled "piracy" is beyond me.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ghostmaker on August 20, 2021, 11:58:32 AM
LOL. So now the TBP mods seem to be a little disjointed over the Mystara guide. Arethusa issued a redtext on the thread stating the guide fell within WotC's rules on fan works and so the warning should be retracted. But the thread has yet to be unlocked.

Someone posts a trouble ticket about it, and Zeea comes in with this:
Quote
Retracting infractions takes a while for technical reasons. We'll get it done, though.

The thread is still supposed to be locked and redacted for now because the product is missing a few necessary statements and license sections to make it allowed under Wizards rules. They're fairly minor adjustments but we need to wait for them before restoring the links and the thread.
First off, huh, so it's easy to hand out infractions but hard to retract them? I am shocked! Shocked! Well, not that shocked.

Second, I'd bet hard cash they haven't actually TOLD TheGlen what his guide is missing. It's not like Mr. Welch is new to writing, or RPGs, so I suspect either TBP doesn't know, or WotC hasn't actually specified.

I could be wrong, but considering the 'quality' of TBP, I doubt it.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: wmarshal on August 26, 2021, 10:30:08 AM
Another example how a thread being labeled A-game really means “don’t disrupt the narrative”:

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/macd21-receives-a-🔴-warning-and-threadban.886048/

The Afghanistan thread has been running excuses on how Biden couldn’t have done anything different that would’ve resulted in a better outcome. Macd21 went against the grain on that, and for that he was threadbanned for “heating up the thread”. You can’t interrupt posters in an A-Game thread from the dominant thread narrative. In this case the dominant thread is a lot of Biden supporters rationalizing how their guy actually hasn’t screwed up.

For them, Biden is the real victim in all this mess, and by extension his domestic agenda of giving me free stuff. Don’t hinder his ability to give me extended unemployment benefits, keep the rent moratorium in place, forgive my student loans, etc. Sadly, a big motivation on their part is probably the desire to minimize the ability of the MAGA folks (Full disclosure, I didn’t vote for Trump. I considered it, but wound up voting for the Libertarian ticket both times.) from owning them online. For the millions of women being thrown back into subhuman status? Well, sadly that’s collateral damage.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ghostmaker on August 26, 2021, 10:45:08 AM
Another example how a thread being labeled A-game really means “don’t disrupt the narrative”:

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/macd21-receives-a-🔴-warning-and-threadban.886048/

The Afghanistan thread has been running excuses on how Biden couldn’t have done anything different that would’ve resulted in a better outcome. Macd21 went against the grain on that, and for that he was threadbanned for “heating up the thread”. You can’t interrupt posters in an A-Game thread from the dominant thread narrative. In this case the dominant thread is a lot of Biden supporters rationalizing how their guy actually hasn’t screwed up.

For them, Biden is the real victim in all this mess, and by extension his domestic agenda of giving me free stuff. Don’t hinder his ability to give me extended unemployment benefits, keep the rent moratorium in place, forgive my student loans, etc. Sadly, a big motivation on their part is probably the desire to minimize the ability of the MAGA folks (Full disclosure, I didn’t vote for Trump. I considered it, but wound up voting for the Libertarian ticket both times.) from owning them online. For the millions of women being thrown back into subhuman status? Well, sadly that’s collateral damage.
They handed out a 30 day for 'racism and bad takes' as well (aka, how dare you speak something inconvenient).

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/the-radioactivist-receives-a-%F0%9F%9A%AB-thirty-day-ban-racism-and-bad-takes-on-an-a-game-thread.886011/

Unsurprising, as TBP's statist mindset means 'no irregular force can stand against a proper military one' (which is incredibly hilarious in light of recent events).  But then, they also would rather wring their hands and cry, rather than airdrop in guns and instructions on how to use them, and exhortations to not let the Taliban disarm them.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ocule on August 26, 2021, 11:38:35 AM
Kinda makes me think that mobilizing a meme army to invade TBP would be glorious. Make an account, spam memes drive the mods crazy, get banned, make a sock puppet account, rinse and repeat until they cry for mercy. It could be the second great meme war
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: wmarshal on August 26, 2021, 12:35:47 PM
Kinda makes me think that mobilizing a meme army to invade TBP would be glorious. Make an account, spam memes drive the mods crazy, get banned, make a sock puppet account, rinse and repeat until they cry for mercy. It could be the second great meme war
We observe and argue here. I don’t think we deliberately create cross-forum drama/brigade here. This isn’t a chan site. Besides, I doubt any kind of meme/troll action you seem to describe would have any other effect than allow the mods there to award themselves points for being righteous victims. I don’t think TBP is a site to be “defeated” somehow (not sure how that’d even work out), but rather mourned as its users fall deeper into the SJW cult. Occasionally I’ll see a member recognize what’s going on, and step back from the abyss. If TBP ever goes away it will likely be due to an implosion from one of their struggle sessions tearing the site apart from within. Sort of like how the Japanese United Red Army destroyed itself for the most part.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Reckall on August 26, 2021, 02:58:46 PM
Kinda makes me think that mobilizing a meme army to invade TBP would be glorious. Make an account, spam memes drive the mods crazy, get banned, make a sock puppet account, rinse and repeat until they cry for mercy. It could be the second great meme war

The only positive thing in all this mess are the droves of people who are realising how the Real World doesn't give a fuck about Twitter and "cancelling".
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Reckall on August 27, 2021, 03:16:27 AM
They handed out a 30 day for 'racism and bad takes' as well (aka, how dare you speak something inconvenient).

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/the-radioactivist-receives-a-%F0%9F%9A%AB-thirty-day-ban-racism-and-bad-takes-on-an-a-game-thread.886011/

You can see why we are losing right there.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: King Tyranno on August 29, 2021, 02:06:22 PM
Kinda makes me think that mobilizing a meme army to invade TBP would be glorious. Make an account, spam memes drive the mods crazy, get banned, make a sock puppet account, rinse and repeat until they cry for mercy. It could be the second great meme war

Apparently Gamergate is responsible for the rise of Trump, and fascism. So hey prove them right by launching a meme invasion into Afghanistan. Naruto run into the Taliban. Show up those arseholes on RPGnet.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ghostmaker on August 29, 2021, 04:31:21 PM
They handed out a 30 day for 'racism and bad takes' as well (aka, how dare you speak something inconvenient).

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/the-radioactivist-receives-a-%F0%9F%9A%AB-thirty-day-ban-racism-and-bad-takes-on-an-a-game-thread.886011/

You can see why we are losing right there.
>losing
>TBP hasn't cracked 250 registered members online in the last year and a half

Mmm. If you say so. Personally this looks more like a slow suicide and I am happy to watch them down one poisoned cocktail after another.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Wntrlnd on August 29, 2021, 07:20:56 PM
They handed out a 30 day for 'racism and bad takes' as well (aka, how dare you speak something inconvenient).

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/the-radioactivist-receives-a-%F0%9F%9A%AB-thirty-day-ban-racism-and-bad-takes-on-an-a-game-thread.886011/

You can see why we are losing right there.
>losing
>TBP hasn't cracked 250 registered members online in the last year and a half

Mmm. If you say so. Personally this looks more like a slow suicide and I am happy to watch them down one poisoned cocktail after another.

I have seen it hit 250-260 once just a few weeks ago, but yeah, it was ONE time
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Thorn Drumheller on August 29, 2021, 07:31:43 PM
Mmm. If you say so. Personally this looks more like a slow suicide and I am happy to watch them down one poisoned cocktail after another.

Oh man, I remember back in the heyday before the fascists took over. The main rpg forum page would have hundreds of threads, new that day. I'd be reading something earlier in the day and if I wanted to find it I'd have to go six, seven pages to find it.

Now, it's normal to have two to three days worth of topics on the main page alone. It's stagnating and dying....and I'm glad. They have killed off the best rpg posters. All that is left is lickspittles and non rpg players.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ratman_tf on August 29, 2021, 09:15:59 PM
Naruto run into the Taliban..

I'm down for that. Someone set up a date.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Reckall on August 31, 2021, 02:48:49 PM
They handed out a 30 day for 'racism and bad takes' as well (aka, how dare you speak something inconvenient).

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/the-radioactivist-receives-a-%F0%9F%9A%AB-thirty-day-ban-racism-and-bad-takes-on-an-a-game-thread.886011/

You can see why we are losing right there.
>losing
>TBP hasn't cracked 250 registered members online in the last year and a half

Mmm. If you say so. Personally this looks more like a slow suicide and I am happy to watch them down one poisoned cocktail after another.

No, you misread me. With "We" I meant "The West" in Afghanistan.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ghostmaker on August 31, 2021, 07:52:32 PM
They handed out a 30 day for 'racism and bad takes' as well (aka, how dare you speak something inconvenient).

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/the-radioactivist-receives-a-%F0%9F%9A%AB-thirty-day-ban-racism-and-bad-takes-on-an-a-game-thread.886011/

You can see why we are losing right there.
>losing
>TBP hasn't cracked 250 registered members online in the last year and a half

Mmm. If you say so. Personally this looks more like a slow suicide and I am happy to watch them down one poisoned cocktail after another.

No, you misread me. With "We" I meant "The West" in Afghanistan.
Ah. Although I would argue that winning wasn't an option unless we planned to depopulate and terraform the place. But you're not wrong.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Shasarak on September 01, 2021, 12:39:14 AM
Ah. Although I would argue that winning wasn't an option unless we planned to depopulate and terraform the place. But you're not wrong.

First you need to know what your goal is, then you can look to see if you won or not.

I would say that a trillion in war spending seems like a big win to me.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Reckall on September 01, 2021, 06:35:48 AM
They handed out a 30 day for 'racism and bad takes' as well (aka, how dare you speak something inconvenient).

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/the-radioactivist-receives-a-%F0%9F%9A%AB-thirty-day-ban-racism-and-bad-takes-on-an-a-game-thread.886011/

You can see why we are losing right there.
>losing
>TBP hasn't cracked 250 registered members online in the last year and a half

Mmm. If you say so. Personally this looks more like a slow suicide and I am happy to watch them down one poisoned cocktail after another.

No, you misread me. With "We" I meant "The West" in Afghanistan.
Ah. Although I would argue that winning wasn't an option unless we planned to depopulate and terraform the place. But you're not wrong.

If you Google "Jung problematic" (*) you will see that he is under fire, among other things, for defining some peoples/cultures "primitive". Of course no one actually reads his writings, thus noticing, for example, that Jung doesn't use the term in an offensive way, but only descriptive. He even points out how on the road of becoming "civilised" we lose a lot, and that the best possible outcome would be to integrate the civilised and primitive values so to live a fullest life.

Anyway, Jung studied "primitive" cultures by literally living among them (in East Africa and, IIRC, among the Indians of the American Southwest). Tl;dr: they are different.

"Different" means that you can neither apply your "civilised" ways and values and expect the same results, nor delude yourself that a primitive culture will become civilised overnight. Which is what the West, instead, gave for granted both in Iraq and Afghanistan.

So, the correct approach should be to understand how these cultures are different from ours and how you can help them in their own terms. But the very moment you "cancel" the concept of "primitive" (like this idiot Mod on RPG.net does) you also cancel the opportunity to speak about some cultures in real terms - with the tragicomic results we all just witnessed.

(*) This is becoming a little pastime of mine: to think about an entity (man, institution, cartoon character...) add "problematic" and Google it. I almost always get returns. C.G. Jung, J.W. Campbell, The Pink Panther, Forrest Gump... Feel free to try!
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Godfather Punk on September 01, 2021, 06:45:36 AM
I tried 'Reckall Problematic' but it keeps suggesting 'Recall' or 'Rectal', both of which can be problematic it seems.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: oggsmash on September 01, 2021, 04:19:55 PM
Ah. Although I would argue that winning wasn't an option unless we planned to depopulate and terraform the place. But you're not wrong.

First you need to know what your goal is, then you can look to see if you won or not.

I would say that a trillion in war spending seems like a big win to me.

  And lots of that spending was most certainly a big juicy profit for many, many contractors.  The whole thing was a sham.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Reckall on September 01, 2021, 05:20:01 PM
I tried 'Reckall Problematic' but it keeps suggesting 'Recall' or 'Rectal', both of which can be problematic it seems.

Drat! :(

Anyway, I found "Ice Cream Problematic". 🤣

https://www.businessinsider.com/eskimo-pie-ice-cream-to-change-problematic-name-and-packaging-2020-6?r=US&IR=T

One could build a Scrabble game around this.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Wrath of God on September 05, 2021, 11:22:06 AM
Thank God Eskimo language family still keeps it's name in modern linguistics, and archeological remains of Greenland Innuits are still officialy "Thule Culture"
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Reckall on September 05, 2021, 12:58:52 PM
There is a great quote from "True Detective" (and of course from Cohle in Season 1):

"If the only thing keeping a person decent is the expectation of divine reward, then brother that person is a piece of shit..."

I know that it is tangential to issues like "The Eskimo Scandal", but to me, in a way, it is also relevant. Victoria Secret ditching their "Angels", "Uncle Ben" changing the brand... Things that have endured for decades.

Had Eskimo retired the brand before the SJW Storm, then kudos to them. But, to paraphrase that quote, "If the only thing that makes someone act is the expectation of current social reward, then that entity is a piece of shit."
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Thorn Drumheller on September 06, 2021, 11:12:26 AM
Well, some folks on big purp are now pissed with the Avatar kickstarter because of the final stretch goal. Starting on page 60 of the massive thread. The final stretch goal is an actual play with Satine Phoenix. And she of course is tied to ZakS. And yeah, it's entertaining ("....are you not entertained?")
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Wrath of God on September 06, 2021, 06:47:42 PM
Quote
"If the only thing keeping a person decent is the expectation of divine reward, then brother that person is a piece of shit..."

That's not the great quote by high-school atheist bad meme repeated over and over and over and over.
I on the other hand shall count psychopath fighting his violent tendencies because fear of Divine Wrath as much more moral being, than some random wanna-be-good-shoes who just have high empathy and thinks it makes it somehow a great moralist. Fuck empaths.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ratman_tf on September 06, 2021, 08:08:55 PM
Quote
"If the only thing keeping a person decent is the expectation of divine reward, then brother that person is a piece of shit..."

That's not the great quote by high-school atheist bad meme repeated over and over and over and over.
I on the other hand shall count psychopath fighting his violent tendencies because fear of Divine Wrath as much more moral being, than some random wanna-be-good-shoes who just have high empathy and thinks it makes it somehow a great moralist. Fuck empaths.

I think the problem with the quote is that expectation of divine reward is rarely the only motivation. I don't think people are that simple.
For people who are that simple, there are bigger problems afoot.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Fergurg on September 06, 2021, 11:11:15 PM
Quote
"If the only thing keeping a person decent is the expectation of divine reward, then brother that person is a piece of shit..."

That's not the great quote by high-school atheist bad meme repeated over and over and over and over.
I on the other hand shall count psychopath fighting his violent tendencies because fear of Divine Wrath as much more moral being, than some random wanna-be-good-shoes who just have high empathy and thinks it makes it somehow a great moralist. Fuck empaths.

You left out the best part. The mods are giving out bans for being critical of Satine. Because, literally, they feel it’s wrong to hold women accountable for their actions. Yes, they outright said that!
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: oggsmash on September 07, 2021, 05:25:53 AM
Quote
"If the only thing keeping a person decent is the expectation of divine reward, then brother that person is a piece of shit..."

That's not the great quote by high-school atheist bad meme repeated over and over and over and over.
I on the other hand shall count psychopath fighting his violent tendencies because fear of Divine Wrath as much more moral being, than some random wanna-be-good-shoes who just have high empathy and thinks it makes it somehow a great moralist. Fuck empaths.

I think the problem with the quote is that expectation of divine reward is rarely the only motivation. I don't think people are that simple.
For people who are that simple, there are bigger problems afoot.

  The other problem with the quote is it is from a character who was a jaded borderline suicidal dude who lost his wife and kid in a car wreck, who was an atheist.  Later in the show he becomes a rather firm believer.   The line is not to make a point, it is to illustrate a very strong and very defined character arc...   So even being the more agnostic sort, I am not so sure the line makes the point reckall is looking for.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Reckall on September 07, 2021, 12:12:34 PM
  The other problem with the quote is it is from a character who was a jaded borderline suicidal dude who lost his wife and kid in a car wreck, who was an atheist.  Later in the show he becomes a rather firm believer.   The line is not to make a point, it is to illustrate a very strong and very defined character arc...   So even being the more agnostic sort, I am not so sure the line makes the point reckall is looking for.

In that scene Colhe tells a lot of things (it is not by chance that it is one of the most iconic in the show) and many of these things are tied to a totally rationalist view of the world. Cohle, however, is challenged by Marty at every turn, so the scene actually becomes a debate without a clear "winner" or a clear cut answer - as many other scenes in TD are.

But...

"If the only thing keeping a person decent is the expectation of divine reward, then brother that person is a piece of shit..."

...Goes basically unchallenged. Notice how the formulation already cuts off those also expecting a divine reward. This is not about them.

My point (which, I believe, is quite simple) is that if you believe in a set of values that "make you decent", then you already are. You already behave in a certain way. Kudos to you. But this means there is no merit in "being decent" if you only do it as a response to an outside force.

And this is what is happening all over the spectrum. SJWs and Wokeness rule ---> All of sudden Eskimo "realises" that their 100 years old brand is "problematic"... after the killing of George Floyd?? Wasn't Martin Luther King enough??

And of course WOTC goes woke like if they always were and all that jazz.

I see no merit in all of this. It is marketing. It is putting the sails where the wind blows after panicked meetings in the PR department. It is chasing what is substituting "God" in our current society. And, in creative and social endeavours, the results are almost always catastrophic - because behind the façade there is no real soul, no real ideals, no genuine values, only memorised slogans (see Evil Hat for a good example).

And this is why, to me, those who behave in this way are pieces of shit. That's, to me, the universal value of Cohle's statement. There is no need to look beyond this.

Edit: for the curious, this is the whole scene...

Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: oggsmash on September 07, 2021, 04:12:52 PM
   The problem with the scene, and the point you are looking to make, is pretty much the entirety of western society "decent" was largely designed and enforced along the lines of that afterlife reward.  It is at this point ingrained into people.   It is the expected social norm for everyone, to be "decent" afterlife reward or not.  Without those expectations beaten into western Civ with thousands of years reinforcing it,  well, it becomes the simple fact that the expectation of a divine reward guided the entire general "rulebook" for society.   Let society collapse, then you will see who is, or is not really "decent".   

   His speech was one I hear ALL the time from atheists.   Who were raised their entire lives in societies where Christian values more or less guided most of the larger ideas around personal rights, liberty and the general behavior we take on around one another, and the laws surrounding that.   I should also mention, the guys arguing the point are: one dude who cheats on his wife, and the other dude who bangs his buddy's wife in the ass.  So there is that as to who is, or is not, decent.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Shasarak on September 07, 2021, 05:24:17 PM
There is a great quote from "True Detective" (and of course from Cohle in Season 1):

"If the only thing keeping a person decent is the expectation of divine reward, then brother that person is a piece of shit..."

I know that it is tangential to issues like "The Eskimo Scandal", but to me, in a way, it is also relevant. Victoria Secret ditching their "Angels", "Uncle Ben" changing the brand... Things that have endured for decades.

Had Eskimo retired the brand before the SJW Storm, then kudos to them. But, to paraphrase that quote, "If the only thing that makes someone act is the expectation of current social reward, then that entity is a piece of shit."

So a person acts decently for their whole life because they are expecting a divine reward and that makes them a piece of shit?

That makes no sense at all.  Who would even think like that?
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Mistwell on September 07, 2021, 05:28:08 PM
All right, a tad off-topic, but this should be said:

The problem with "trans-women" for example is that nobody likes them.

LOLwut?

I have two real trans friends (and have known three others, though none of those three I'd consider friends). I like them both, though I like one more than the other. Then again, the one I like less, I liked less when they were identifying as a male, so that hasn't changed. Both are with women now. One is married and they have a child, and the other just in a close relationship which is likely to lead to marriage some day, though who knows.

Quote
Trans-women" are insane men who want people to view them as actual women, right? The problem is, they are not, and no heterosexual man wants to have have sex with them. The only men who will are homosexuals, and only because "trans-women" are men, so that will not do.

Therefore the only way they can even get anywhere is through deception. Say a drunk guy in a dark bar somewhere, but of course it won't be long before...well, you know what I mean.

Wow what pure nonsense. Gender identification isn't sexual preference. A straight male who becomes a female still usually likes women just like they did when they were identifying as male, unless they were a gay man to begin with. Trans people don't get relationships by getting people drunk and tricking them...you've been listening to too much 70s rock I suspect? Whatever the source, it sure isn't from talking to a trans person.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ghostmaker on September 07, 2021, 05:38:51 PM
Quote
"If the only thing keeping a person decent is the expectation of divine reward, then brother that person is a piece of shit..."

That's not the great quote by high-school atheist bad meme repeated over and over and over and over.
I on the other hand shall count psychopath fighting his violent tendencies because fear of Divine Wrath as much more moral being, than some random wanna-be-good-shoes who just have high empathy and thinks it makes it somehow a great moralist. Fuck empaths.

You left out the best part. The mods are giving out bans for being critical of Satine. Because, literally, they feel it’s wrong to hold women accountable for their actions. Yes, they outright said that!
Allow me to direct you to the TBP hallucinations about 'holdoing'. Yes, that is literally a rule. If you question a mod decision and the mod in question is female or identifies as such, you are clearly questioning her because of her gender, not because of her competence. Banhammer for you!

Yeah, they're morons.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: SHARK on September 07, 2021, 06:28:50 PM
Greetings!

Yeah, more snarky, pseudo-intellectualizing by clueless atheists.

Get rid of Christianity, Christian morality, and Christian order, and you will fuck around and find out how benevolent and kind society is. Most societies will be absolutely ruled by savage beasts, raping whomever they so choose, and subjugating and slaughtering everyone that doesn't bow the fuck down to them.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: DocJones on September 07, 2021, 08:04:55 PM
Here's an interesting view to ponder based on the divergence above...
"What should I have been, and how should I have spent my life, if I had not these beliefs, if I had not known that I must live for God and not for my own desires?  I should have robbed and lied and killed.  Nothing of what makes the chief happiness in my life would have have existed for me. I looked for an answer to my question.  And thought could not give an answer to my question -- it is incommensurable with my question.  The answer has been given me by life itself, in my knowledge of what is right and wrong.  And that knowledge I did not arrive at in any way,  it was given to me as to all men, given, because I could not have got it from anywhere.  Where could I have got it?  By reason could I have arrived at knowing I must love my neighbor and not oppress him?  I was told that in my childhood, and I believed it gladly, for they told me what was already in my soul.  But who discovered it?  Not reason.  Reason discovered the struggle for existence, and the law that requires us to oppress all who hinder the satisfaction of our desires.  That is the deduction of reason.  But loving one's neighbor reason could never discover, because it's irrational." - Leo Tolstoy 'Anna Karenina'
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: RandyB on September 07, 2021, 10:36:21 PM
Greetings!

Yeah, more snarky, pseudo-intellectualizing by clueless atheists.

Get rid of Christianity, Christian morality, and Christian order, and you will fuck around and find out how benevolent and kind society is. Most societies will be absolutely ruled by savage beasts, raping whomever they so choose, and subjugating and slaughtering everyone that doesn't bow the fuck down to them.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Want to see Western civilization without Christian morality?

Game of Thrones.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: FelixGamingX1 on September 07, 2021, 10:38:59 PM
Greetings!

Yeah, more snarky, pseudo-intellectualizing by clueless atheists.

Get rid of Christianity, Christian morality, and Christian order, and you will fuck around and find out how benevolent and kind society is. Most societies will be absolutely ruled by savage beasts, raping whomever they so choose, and subjugating and slaughtering everyone that doesn't bow the fuck down to them.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Want to see Western civilization without Christian morality?

Game of Thrones.

Great show, awful ending.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: SHARK on September 07, 2021, 10:39:50 PM
Greetings!

Yeah, more snarky, pseudo-intellectualizing by clueless atheists.

Get rid of Christianity, Christian morality, and Christian order, and you will fuck around and find out how benevolent and kind society is. Most societies will be absolutely ruled by savage beasts, raping whomever they so choose, and subjugating and slaughtering everyone that doesn't bow the fuck down to them.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Want to see Western civilization without Christian morality?

Game of Thrones.

Greetings!

*Exactly* my friend! ;D

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Reckall on September 08, 2021, 03:45:50 AM
   The problem with the scene, and the point you are looking to make, is pretty much the entirety of western society "decent" was largely designed and enforced along the lines of that afterlife reward.  It is at this point ingrained into people.   It is the expected social norm for everyone, to be "decent" afterlife reward or not.  Without those expectations beaten into western Civ with thousands of years reinforcing it,  well, it becomes the simple fact that the expectation of a divine reward guided the entire general "rulebook" for society.   Let society collapse, then you will see who is, or is not really "decent".

I think that you missed...

Notice how the formulation already cuts off those also expecting a divine reward. This is not about them

...in my answer.

However, true, in the Western society, "decent" was usually tied to Christian values - even for those who weren't Christian or that weren't even aware of the correlation.

Today, literally in the times we are living in, we are looking at a tectonic shift in the bedrock of Western values. A very worrying Christianity ---> Wokeness shift. This hijacking is being noted by Christian and Atheist thinkers alike, and it is generating a whole literature about it (*). This means that those looking for a guidance for their "decency" are more and more looking to Wokeness as their guide.

Fine (actually no). But if you shift your core values the very moment "Wokeness is the new compass", if you change a century old brand because George Floyd was killed, or ditch your Supermodels because today appreciating the female form gets you cancelled, or turn your RPG into a wokefest, then you have no internal values. You are only someone whose life and actions are calculated so to please an external entity - be it God, social consensus or anything else - hoping for recognition and a reward.

And for this reason you remain a piece of shit.

(*) Examples of these studies can be found both in internet articles...

https://web.archive.org/web/20210417021650/https://www.convergemedia.org/wokeism-the-new-religion-of-the-west/

...And in books. A lot of them.

https://www.amazon.com/Christianity-Wokeness-Justice-Movement-Hijacking/dp/1684512433
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Reckall on September 08, 2021, 05:33:02 AM
So a person acts decently for their whole life because they are expecting a divine reward and that makes them a piece of shit?

That makes no sense at all.  Who would even think like that?

Because I condivide Cohle's belief that you should be decent irrespectively of a "reward" of any kind.

Maybe this is because it is a topic that touches me closely. 13 years in a Catholic school didn't made me a Catholic (or a religious person in general), but they left me with the idea that this Jesus guy was a pretty cool dude, worth listening to. I also like Saint Augustine as a philosopher.

My beliefs? I do believe in a "soul" inhabiting the body and in free will, nothing else. I think that the idea of a "collective unconscious" is pretty cool and I hope that something like that does exists for real. But I also believe that when we die our soul will dissolve back into the collective unconscious the way the atoms and the molecules of our body will return to the physical world. The end.

So, when I try to be "decent" it is because I want to. I don't look for "divine rewards" or even social acceptance. And I'm not seeing "decency" in Wokeness at all. If I'll ever publish something "Woke" is because I came to believe in it. But be assured that racism in my current CoC campaign is a real thing, whereas orcs will not be "niggers" in a future D&D campaign: my choice, my consequences.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: oggsmash on September 08, 2021, 06:12:20 AM
   The problem with the scene, and the point you are looking to make, is pretty much the entirety of western society "decent" was largely designed and enforced along the lines of that afterlife reward.  It is at this point ingrained into people.   It is the expected social norm for everyone, to be "decent" afterlife reward or not.  Without those expectations beaten into western Civ with thousands of years reinforcing it,  well, it becomes the simple fact that the expectation of a divine reward guided the entire general "rulebook" for society.   Let society collapse, then you will see who is, or is not really "decent".

I think that you missed...

Notice how the formulation already cuts off those also expecting a divine reward. This is not about them

...in my answer.

However, true, in the Western society, "decent" was usually tied to Christian values - even for those who weren't Christian or that weren't even aware of the correlation.

Today, literally in the times we are living in, we are looking at a tectonic shift in the bedrock of Western values. A very worrying Christianity ---> Wokeness shift. This hijacking is being noted by Christian and Atheist thinkers alike, and it is generating a whole literature about it (*). This means that those looking for a guidance for their "decency" are more and more looking to Wokeness as their guide.

Fine (actually no). But if you shift your core values the very moment "Wokeness is the new compass", if you change a century old brand because George Floyd was killed, or ditch your Supermodels because today appreciating the female form gets you cancelled, or turn your RPG into a wokefest, then you have no internal values. You are only someone whose life and actions are calculated so to please an external entity - be it God, social consensus or anything else - hoping for recognition and a reward.

And for this reason you remain a piece of shit.

(*) Examples of these studies can be found both in internet articles...

https://web.archive.org/web/20210417021650/https://www.convergemedia.org/wokeism-the-new-religion-of-the-west/

...And in books. A lot of them.

https://www.amazon.com/Christianity-Wokeness-Justice-Movement-Hijacking/dp/1684512433

  We agree, I just think it can be summed up MUCH faster, if you as a person have no firm principles, you are a piece of shit.   This is not to say a principle can not shift over time, but it should be due to careful thought and consideration, not due to the latest "download" from the hive mind.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ghostmaker on September 08, 2021, 08:34:57 AM
As I remarked in the Redlist thread, TBP noticed it. Amusingly, the thread was insta-locked by Tanka and the link killed. No surprise there.

What does surprise me is that the poster (ryu238) didn't even eat a warning for the thread.

Now, Tanka is an utter sped who shouldn't be allowed out without supervision. But you'd think he'd have eagerly slapped down ryu238, knowing Tanka's proclivities for whipping out his dick -- metaphorically speaking. And mind you, the threadlock was at almost 11pm Monday, so it's not like they haven't had time to figure out what to hit ryu238 with.

So my guess is they agree with him, but since TBP has a long history of 'AAAAAH DON'T LINK TO WRONGTHINK' that probably took precedence. I'm a bit surprised they locked the thread though.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Mithgarthr on September 08, 2021, 10:19:44 AM
Sorry, I'm new to the site... "TBP"? I'm guessing since it refers to RPGNet, it's something like "The Bad Place"?
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Pat on September 08, 2021, 10:36:36 AM
Sorry, I'm new to the site... "TBP"? I'm guessing since it refers to RPGNet, it's something like "The Bad Place"?
The Big Purple, a reference to their color scheme.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Mithgarthr on September 08, 2021, 10:47:43 AM
Sorry, I'm new to the site... "TBP"? I'm guessing since it refers to RPGNet, it's something like "The Bad Place"?
The Big Purple, a reference to their color scheme.
Aaaah. Makes more sense, but way less funny than I was hoping for.  ;D
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: wmarshal on September 08, 2021, 11:10:09 AM
I never even visited the red list post until TBP blocked the link to the thread and identified this site as a “hate site”. I wasn’t really interested in that thread because I already know what companies I do and do not want to do business with. Now there may be a Streisand effect going on. Some of the woke want to use the red list as a buy list, but they also don’t want to refer (or even acknowledge the existence of) to a site that’s considered taboo. They can’t do the “hard work” of coming up with their own buy list. In a way they can’t do that work since they would inevitably start to fight amongst themselves (“Splinter!”) as to who to include and exclude.

*I enjoyed The Life of Brian. I just wish it hadn’t become prophetic.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ghostmaker on September 08, 2021, 11:29:53 AM
I never even visited the red list post until TBP blocked the link to the thread and identified this site as a “hate site”. I wasn’t really interested in that thread because I already know what companies I do and do not want to do business with. Now there may be a Streisand effect going on. Some of the woke want to use the red list as a buy list, but they also don’t want to refer (or even acknowledge the existence of) to a site that’s considered taboo. They can’t do the “hard work” of coming up with their own buy list. In a way they can’t do that work since they would inevitably start to fight amongst themselves (“Splinter!”) as to who to include and exclude.

*I enjoyed The Life of Brian. I just wish it hadn’t become prophetic.
One of the things I would like to note is that for all their talk about 'supporting woke artists', there's a reason 'get woke go broke' is a truism. An awful lot of woke types subscribe to very, very uncapitalist ideas and don't buy the stuff (or worse, from an economic perspective, they pirate it).

So yeah, they'll talk this shit up, but let me know when they actually spend the dinero on it.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: HappyDaze on September 08, 2021, 12:04:20 PM
I never even visited the red list post until TBP blocked the link to the thread and identified this site as a “hate site”. I wasn’t really interested in that thread because I already know what companies I do and do not want to do business with. Now there may be a Streisand effect going on. Some of the woke want to use the red list as a buy list, but they also don’t want to refer (or even acknowledge the existence of) to a site that’s considered taboo. They can’t do the “hard work” of coming up with their own buy list. In a way they can’t do that work since they would inevitably start to fight amongst themselves (“Splinter!”) as to who to include and exclude.

*I enjoyed The Life of Brian. I just wish it hadn’t become prophetic.
One of the things I would like to note is that for all their talk about 'supporting woke artists', there's a reason 'get woke go broke' is a truism. An awful lot of woke types subscribe to very, very uncapitalist ideas and don't buy the stuff (or worse, from an economic perspective, they pirate it).

So yeah, they'll talk this shit up, but let me know when they actually spend the dinero on it.
Says the asshole that has openly stated he pirates material from those of different political views because, hey...the law obviously only applies when it suits him.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ghostmaker on September 08, 2021, 01:41:46 PM
I never even visited the red list post until TBP blocked the link to the thread and identified this site as a “hate site”. I wasn’t really interested in that thread because I already know what companies I do and do not want to do business with. Now there may be a Streisand effect going on. Some of the woke want to use the red list as a buy list, but they also don’t want to refer (or even acknowledge the existence of) to a site that’s considered taboo. They can’t do the “hard work” of coming up with their own buy list. In a way they can’t do that work since they would inevitably start to fight amongst themselves (“Splinter!”) as to who to include and exclude.

*I enjoyed The Life of Brian. I just wish it hadn’t become prophetic.
One of the things I would like to note is that for all their talk about 'supporting woke artists', there's a reason 'get woke go broke' is a truism. An awful lot of woke types subscribe to very, very uncapitalist ideas and don't buy the stuff (or worse, from an economic perspective, they pirate it).

So yeah, they'll talk this shit up, but let me know when they actually spend the dinero on it.
Says the asshole that has openly stated he pirates material from those of different political views because, hey...the law obviously only applies when it suits him.
*shrug* Welcome to the new rules.

You don't like them, maybe don't push them.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: HappyDaze on September 08, 2021, 01:46:32 PM
I never even visited the red list post until TBP blocked the link to the thread and identified this site as a “hate site”. I wasn’t really interested in that thread because I already know what companies I do and do not want to do business with. Now there may be a Streisand effect going on. Some of the woke want to use the red list as a buy list, but they also don’t want to refer (or even acknowledge the existence of) to a site that’s considered taboo. They can’t do the “hard work” of coming up with their own buy list. In a way they can’t do that work since they would inevitably start to fight amongst themselves (“Splinter!”) as to who to include and exclude.

*I enjoyed The Life of Brian. I just wish it hadn’t become prophetic.
One of the things I would like to note is that for all their talk about 'supporting woke artists', there's a reason 'get woke go broke' is a truism. An awful lot of woke types subscribe to very, very uncapitalist ideas and don't buy the stuff (or worse, from an economic perspective, they pirate it).

So yeah, they'll talk this shit up, but let me know when they actually spend the dinero on it.
Says the asshole that has openly stated he pirates material from those of different political views because, hey...the law obviously only applies when it suits him.
*shrug* Welcome to the new rules.

You don't like them, maybe don't push them.
I've never pushed for piracy of materials, regardless of the author/publisher.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ghostmaker on September 08, 2021, 02:23:17 PM
I never even visited the red list post until TBP blocked the link to the thread and identified this site as a “hate site”. I wasn’t really interested in that thread because I already know what companies I do and do not want to do business with. Now there may be a Streisand effect going on. Some of the woke want to use the red list as a buy list, but they also don’t want to refer (or even acknowledge the existence of) to a site that’s considered taboo. They can’t do the “hard work” of coming up with their own buy list. In a way they can’t do that work since they would inevitably start to fight amongst themselves (“Splinter!”) as to who to include and exclude.

*I enjoyed The Life of Brian. I just wish it hadn’t become prophetic.
One of the things I would like to note is that for all their talk about 'supporting woke artists', there's a reason 'get woke go broke' is a truism. An awful lot of woke types subscribe to very, very uncapitalist ideas and don't buy the stuff (or worse, from an economic perspective, they pirate it).

So yeah, they'll talk this shit up, but let me know when they actually spend the dinero on it.
Says the asshole that has openly stated he pirates material from those of different political views because, hey...the law obviously only applies when it suits him.
*shrug* Welcome to the new rules.

You don't like them, maybe don't push them.
I've never pushed for piracy of materials, regardless of the author/publisher.
Maybe they shouldn't push for deplatforming everyone who doesn't see things their way.

But hey, you're the kind of pussy who likes to 'lose with grace', I bet.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Willmark on September 08, 2021, 02:33:37 PM
So at TBP they shut down discussion of “The list?” and this is a hate site?
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: HappyDaze on September 08, 2021, 02:35:58 PM
I never even visited the red list post until TBP blocked the link to the thread and identified this site as a “hate site”. I wasn’t really interested in that thread because I already know what companies I do and do not want to do business with. Now there may be a Streisand effect going on. Some of the woke want to use the red list as a buy list, but they also don’t want to refer (or even acknowledge the existence of) to a site that’s considered taboo. They can’t do the “hard work” of coming up with their own buy list. In a way they can’t do that work since they would inevitably start to fight amongst themselves (“Splinter!”) as to who to include and exclude.

*I enjoyed The Life of Brian. I just wish it hadn’t become prophetic.
One of the things I would like to note is that for all their talk about 'supporting woke artists', there's a reason 'get woke go broke' is a truism. An awful lot of woke types subscribe to very, very uncapitalist ideas and don't buy the stuff (or worse, from an economic perspective, they pirate it).

So yeah, they'll talk this shit up, but let me know when they actually spend the dinero on it.
Says the asshole that has openly stated he pirates material from those of different political views because, hey...the law obviously only applies when it suits him.
*shrug* Welcome to the new rules.

You don't like them, maybe don't push them.
I've never pushed for piracy of materials, regardless of the author/publisher.
Maybe they shouldn't push for deplatforming everyone who doesn't see things their way.

But hey, you're the kind of pussy who likes to 'lose with grace', I bet.
Keep guessing, evebtually you might get something right by chance alone.

It's funny how you've shifted from "you" [me] to "they" when called on your bullshit pro-piracy nonsense. But since you seem to conflate the two, I've never pushed for deplatforming either.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: HappyDaze on September 08, 2021, 02:37:26 PM
So at TBP they shut down discussion of “The list?” and this is a hate site?
Your statement should have ended with a period, not a question mark.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ghostmaker on September 08, 2021, 02:38:06 PM
I never even visited the red list post until TBP blocked the link to the thread and identified this site as a “hate site”. I wasn’t really interested in that thread because I already know what companies I do and do not want to do business with. Now there may be a Streisand effect going on. Some of the woke want to use the red list as a buy list, but they also don’t want to refer (or even acknowledge the existence of) to a site that’s considered taboo. They can’t do the “hard work” of coming up with their own buy list. In a way they can’t do that work since they would inevitably start to fight amongst themselves (“Splinter!”) as to who to include and exclude.

*I enjoyed The Life of Brian. I just wish it hadn’t become prophetic.
One of the things I would like to note is that for all their talk about 'supporting woke artists', there's a reason 'get woke go broke' is a truism. An awful lot of woke types subscribe to very, very uncapitalist ideas and don't buy the stuff (or worse, from an economic perspective, they pirate it).

So yeah, they'll talk this shit up, but let me know when they actually spend the dinero on it.
Says the asshole that has openly stated he pirates material from those of different political views because, hey...the law obviously only applies when it suits him.
*shrug* Welcome to the new rules.

You don't like them, maybe don't push them.
I've never pushed for piracy of materials, regardless of the author/publisher.
Maybe they shouldn't push for deplatforming everyone who doesn't see things their way.

But hey, you're the kind of pussy who likes to 'lose with grace', I bet.
Keep guessing, evebtually you might get something right by chance alone.

It's funny how you've shifted from "you" [me] to "they" when called on your bullshit pro-piracy nonsense. But since you seem to conflate the two, I've never pushed for deplatforming either.
I couldn't care less what I get 'right' about you. You don't sign my paychecks and you don't write my evaluations, so your opinion is pretty much a big fat zero.

But hey, maybe you'll get your dick sucked one day.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: HappyDaze on September 08, 2021, 02:39:58 PM
I never even visited the red list post until TBP blocked the link to the thread and identified this site as a “hate site”. I wasn’t really interested in that thread because I already know what companies I do and do not want to do business with. Now there may be a Streisand effect going on. Some of the woke want to use the red list as a buy list, but they also don’t want to refer (or even acknowledge the existence of) to a site that’s considered taboo. They can’t do the “hard work” of coming up with their own buy list. In a way they can’t do that work since they would inevitably start to fight amongst themselves (“Splinter!”) as to who to include and exclude.

*I enjoyed The Life of Brian. I just wish it hadn’t become prophetic.
One of the things I would like to note is that for all their talk about 'supporting woke artists', there's a reason 'get woke go broke' is a truism. An awful lot of woke types subscribe to very, very uncapitalist ideas and don't buy the stuff (or worse, from an economic perspective, they pirate it).

So yeah, they'll talk this shit up, but let me know when they actually spend the dinero on it.
Says the asshole that has openly stated he pirates material from those of different political views because, hey...the law obviously only applies when it suits him.
*shrug* Welcome to the new rules.

You don't like them, maybe don't push them.
I've never pushed for piracy of materials, regardless of the author/publisher.
Maybe they shouldn't push for deplatforming everyone who doesn't see things their way.

But hey, you're the kind of pussy who likes to 'lose with grace', I bet.
Keep guessing, evebtually you might get something right by chance alone.

It's funny how you've shifted from "you" [me] to "they" when called on your bullshit pro-piracy nonsense. But since you seem to conflate the two, I've never pushed for deplatforming either.
I couldn't care less what I get 'right' about you. You don't sign my paychecks and you don't write my evaluations, so your opinion is pretty much a big fat zero.

But hey, maybe you'll get your dick sucked one day.
Keep flailing, little pirate.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ghostmaker on September 08, 2021, 02:42:51 PM
I never even visited the red list post until TBP blocked the link to the thread and identified this site as a “hate site”. I wasn’t really interested in that thread because I already know what companies I do and do not want to do business with. Now there may be a Streisand effect going on. Some of the woke want to use the red list as a buy list, but they also don’t want to refer (or even acknowledge the existence of) to a site that’s considered taboo. They can’t do the “hard work” of coming up with their own buy list. In a way they can’t do that work since they would inevitably start to fight amongst themselves (“Splinter!”) as to who to include and exclude.

*I enjoyed The Life of Brian. I just wish it hadn’t become prophetic.
One of the things I would like to note is that for all their talk about 'supporting woke artists', there's a reason 'get woke go broke' is a truism. An awful lot of woke types subscribe to very, very uncapitalist ideas and don't buy the stuff (or worse, from an economic perspective, they pirate it).

So yeah, they'll talk this shit up, but let me know when they actually spend the dinero on it.
Says the asshole that has openly stated he pirates material from those of different political views because, hey...the law obviously only applies when it suits him.
*shrug* Welcome to the new rules.

You don't like them, maybe don't push them.
I've never pushed for piracy of materials, regardless of the author/publisher.
Maybe they shouldn't push for deplatforming everyone who doesn't see things their way.

But hey, you're the kind of pussy who likes to 'lose with grace', I bet.
Keep guessing, evebtually you might get something right by chance alone.

It's funny how you've shifted from "you" [me] to "they" when called on your bullshit pro-piracy nonsense. But since you seem to conflate the two, I've never pushed for deplatforming either.
I couldn't care less what I get 'right' about you. You don't sign my paychecks and you don't write my evaluations, so your opinion is pretty much a big fat zero.

But hey, maybe you'll get your dick sucked one day.
Keep flailing, little pirate.
'Flailing'.

Yawn.

Anything else you want to contribute, HappyDerp? 'Cause I got stuff to do.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: HappyDaze on September 08, 2021, 02:53:27 PM
I never even visited the red list post until TBP blocked the link to the thread and identified this site as a “hate site”. I wasn’t really interested in that thread because I already know what companies I do and do not want to do business with. Now there may be a Streisand effect going on. Some of the woke want to use the red list as a buy list, but they also don’t want to refer (or even acknowledge the existence of) to a site that’s considered taboo. They can’t do the “hard work” of coming up with their own buy list. In a way they can’t do that work since they would inevitably start to fight amongst themselves (“Splinter!”) as to who to include and exclude.

*I enjoyed The Life of Brian. I just wish it hadn’t become prophetic.
One of the things I would like to note is that for all their talk about 'supporting woke artists', there's a reason 'get woke go broke' is a truism. An awful lot of woke types subscribe to very, very uncapitalist ideas and don't buy the stuff (or worse, from an economic perspective, they pirate it).

So yeah, they'll talk this shit up, but let me know when they actually spend the dinero on it.
Says the asshole that has openly stated he pirates material from those of different political views because, hey...the law obviously only applies when it suits him.
*shrug* Welcome to the new rules.

You don't like them, maybe don't push them.
I've never pushed for piracy of materials, regardless of the author/publisher.
Maybe they shouldn't push for deplatforming everyone who doesn't see things their way.

But hey, you're the kind of pussy who likes to 'lose with grace', I bet.
Keep guessing, evebtually you might get something right by chance alone.

It's funny how you've shifted from "you" [me] to "they" when called on your bullshit pro-piracy nonsense. But since you seem to conflate the two, I've never pushed for deplatforming either.
I couldn't care less what I get 'right' about you. You don't sign my paychecks and you don't write my evaluations, so your opinion is pretty much a big fat zero.

But hey, maybe you'll get your dick sucked one day.
Keep flailing, little pirate.
'Flailing'.

Yawn.

Anything else you want to contribute, HappyDerp? 'Cause I got stuff to do.
Oh, do tell! What products will you be illegally downloading today?
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: SHARK on September 08, 2021, 02:56:02 PM
Greetings!

OH NO! TBP thinks that this site here is full of HATEMONGERS!!!!! ;D

*Laughing*

As they shut down discussion of the List and forbid any member posting a fucking LINK to this site. Fucking amazing.

That's what cock-sucking Marxists do. It's all about them maintaining absolute control, and pumping everyone full of Marxist jello.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Willmark on September 08, 2021, 02:58:45 PM
So at TBP they shut down discussion of “The list?” and this is a hate site?
Your statement should have ended with a period, not a question mark.
In your opinion what qualifies this as a hate site?
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: HappyDaze on September 08, 2021, 03:03:20 PM
So at TBP they shut down discussion of “The list?” and this is a hate site?
Your statement should have ended with a period, not a question mark.
In your opinion what qualifies this as a hate site?
I didn't say it was. However, there is no question that RPGNet views it as such.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ghostmaker on September 08, 2021, 03:17:26 PM
I never even visited the red list post until TBP blocked the link to the thread and identified this site as a “hate site”. I wasn’t really interested in that thread because I already know what companies I do and do not want to do business with. Now there may be a Streisand effect going on. Some of the woke want to use the red list as a buy list, but they also don’t want to refer (or even acknowledge the existence of) to a site that’s considered taboo. They can’t do the “hard work” of coming up with their own buy list. In a way they can’t do that work since they would inevitably start to fight amongst themselves (“Splinter!”) as to who to include and exclude.

*I enjoyed The Life of Brian. I just wish it hadn’t become prophetic.
One of the things I would like to note is that for all their talk about 'supporting woke artists', there's a reason 'get woke go broke' is a truism. An awful lot of woke types subscribe to very, very uncapitalist ideas and don't buy the stuff (or worse, from an economic perspective, they pirate it).

So yeah, they'll talk this shit up, but let me know when they actually spend the dinero on it.
Says the asshole that has openly stated he pirates material from those of different political views because, hey...the law obviously only applies when it suits him.
*shrug* Welcome to the new rules.

You don't like them, maybe don't push them.
I've never pushed for piracy of materials, regardless of the author/publisher.
Maybe they shouldn't push for deplatforming everyone who doesn't see things their way.

But hey, you're the kind of pussy who likes to 'lose with grace', I bet.
Keep guessing, evebtually you might get something right by chance alone.

It's funny how you've shifted from "you" [me] to "they" when called on your bullshit pro-piracy nonsense. But since you seem to conflate the two, I've never pushed for deplatforming either.
I couldn't care less what I get 'right' about you. You don't sign my paychecks and you don't write my evaluations, so your opinion is pretty much a big fat zero.

But hey, maybe you'll get your dick sucked one day.
Keep flailing, little pirate.
'Flailing'.

Yawn.

Anything else you want to contribute, HappyDerp? 'Cause I got stuff to do.
Oh, do tell! What products will you be illegally downloading today?
Your mom.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: HappyDaze on September 08, 2021, 03:20:45 PM
I never even visited the red list post until TBP blocked the link to the thread and identified this site as a “hate site”. I wasn’t really interested in that thread because I already know what companies I do and do not want to do business with. Now there may be a Streisand effect going on. Some of the woke want to use the red list as a buy list, but they also don’t want to refer (or even acknowledge the existence of) to a site that’s considered taboo. They can’t do the “hard work” of coming up with their own buy list. In a way they can’t do that work since they would inevitably start to fight amongst themselves (“Splinter!”) as to who to include and exclude.

*I enjoyed The Life of Brian. I just wish it hadn’t become prophetic.
One of the things I would like to note is that for all their talk about 'supporting woke artists', there's a reason 'get woke go broke' is a truism. An awful lot of woke types subscribe to very, very uncapitalist ideas and don't buy the stuff (or worse, from an economic perspective, they pirate it).

So yeah, they'll talk this shit up, but let me know when they actually spend the dinero on it.
Says the asshole that has openly stated he pirates material from those of different political views because, hey...the law obviously only applies when it suits him.
*shrug* Welcome to the new rules.

You don't like them, maybe don't push them.
I've never pushed for piracy of materials, regardless of the author/publisher.
Maybe they shouldn't push for deplatforming everyone who doesn't see things their way.

But hey, you're the kind of pussy who likes to 'lose with grace', I bet.
Keep guessing, evebtually you might get something right by chance alone.

It's funny how you've shifted from "you" [me] to "they" when called on your bullshit pro-piracy nonsense. But since you seem to conflate the two, I've never pushed for deplatforming either.
I couldn't care less what I get 'right' about you. You don't sign my paychecks and you don't write my evaluations, so your opinion is pretty much a big fat zero.

But hey, maybe you'll get your dick sucked one day.
Keep flailing, little pirate.
'Flailing'.

Yawn.

Anything else you want to contribute, HappyDerp? 'Cause I got stuff to do.
Oh, do tell! What products will you be illegally downloading today?
Your mom.
Even at her age, she'd have you crying like a baby, little pirate.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ghostmaker on September 08, 2021, 03:21:49 PM
Even at her age, she'd have you crying like a baby, little pirate.
Stay mad, pussy.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: HappyDaze on September 08, 2021, 03:38:24 PM
Even at her age, she'd have you crying like a baby, little pirate.
Stay mad, pussy.
Keep trying to make me mad, little pirate. You're doing a terrible job of it so far.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ghostmaker on September 08, 2021, 03:46:15 PM
Even at her age, she'd have you crying like a baby, little pirate.
Stay mad, pussy.
Keep trying to make me mad, little pirate. You're doing a terrible job of it so far.
LOL, I know exactly how to make you mad, pussy (https://www.therpgsite.com/the-rpgpundit-s-own-forum/liberals-are-against-science!/msg1141688/#msg1141688).
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Willmark on September 08, 2021, 03:50:55 PM
So at TBP they shut down discussion of “The list?” and this is a hate site?
Your statement should have ended with a period, not a question mark.
In your opinion what qualifies this as a hate site?
I didn't say it was. However, there is no question that RPGNet views it as such.
Next time be more specific.

What TBP qualifies as hate equates to anything they disagree with.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ghostmaker on September 08, 2021, 03:57:14 PM
So at TBP they shut down discussion of “The list?” and this is a hate site?
Your statement should have ended with a period, not a question mark.
In your opinion what qualifies this as a hate site?
I didn't say it was. However, there is no question that RPGNet views it as such.
Next time be more specific.

What TBP qualifies as hate equates to anything they disagree with.
Pretty much.

Although they shuffle back and forth on allowing general attacks. Which I find odd -- the only thing that springs to mind immediately is that they don't want to get caught in some kind of legal crossfire if someone goes off their nut and tries to snipe some folks a la the Republican House softball game. I'm not married to that theory, but considering some of the stances they've taken, I find it curious that they jump on general attacks -- regardless of target -- so virulently.

Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: DocJones on September 08, 2021, 04:22:09 PM
That's what cock-sucking Marxists do.
Fred: Hey Bob, I don't think you want to get involved with her.   She claims to be a Marxist.
Bob: I know, but Shark said she's a cock-sucking Marxist.
Fred: Oh?  Well carry on then!






Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: DM_Curt on September 08, 2021, 04:43:46 PM
That's what cock-sucking Marxists do.
Fred: Hey Bob, I don't think you want to get involved with her.   She claims to be a Marxist.
Bob: I know, but Shark said she's a cock-sucking Marxist.
Fred: Oh?  Well carry on then!
How do I throw a /Like on a post on this fucking forum? Lol!
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: SHARK on September 08, 2021, 05:25:33 PM
That's what cock-sucking Marxists do.
Fred: Hey Bob, I don't think you want to get involved with her.   She claims to be a Marxist.
Bob: I know, but Shark said she's a cock-sucking Marxist.
Fred: Oh?  Well carry on then!

Greetings!

Yes, DocJones! That's right! *Laughing*

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: SHARK on September 08, 2021, 05:27:11 PM
That's what cock-sucking Marxists do.
Fred: Hey Bob, I don't think you want to get involved with her.   She claims to be a Marxist.
Bob: I know, but Shark said she's a cock-sucking Marxist.
Fred: Oh?  Well carry on then!
How do I throw a /Like on a post on this fucking forum? Lol!

Greetings!

*Laughing* Lots of good, interesting, fun people here. Welcome to the boards!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: DM_Curt on September 08, 2021, 05:42:54 PM
Thanks! I wouldn't recommend a Marxist girlfriend though. Probably more trouble than it's worth.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: HappyDaze on September 08, 2021, 05:45:12 PM
So at TBP they shut down discussion of “The list?” and this is a hate site?
Your statement should have ended with a period, not a question mark.
In your opinion what qualifies this as a hate site?
I didn't say it was. However, there is no question that RPGNet views it as such.
Next time be more specific.

What TBP qualifies as hate equates to anything they disagree with.
Next time learn to fucking read. I'll be a specific or not as I wish.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Willmark on September 08, 2021, 07:37:37 PM
So at TBP they shut down discussion of “The list?” and this is a hate site?
Your statement should have ended with a period, not a question mark.
In your opinion what qualifies this as a hate site?
I didn't say it was. However, there is no question that RPGNet views it as such.
Next time be more specific.

What TBP qualifies as hate equates to anything they disagree with.
Next time learn to fucking read. I'll be a specific or not as I wish.
Oooooo you sure told me!
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Willmark on September 08, 2021, 07:44:12 PM
So at TBP they shut down discussion of “The list?” and this is a hate site?
Your statement should have ended with a period, not a question mark.
In your opinion what qualifies this as a hate site?
I didn't say it was. However, there is no question that RPGNet views it as such.
Next time be more specific.

What TBP qualifies as hate equates to anything they disagree with.
Pretty much.

Although they shuffle back and forth on allowing general attacks. Which I find odd -- the only thing that springs to mind immediately is that they don't want to get caught in some kind of legal crossfire if someone goes off their nut and tries to snipe some folks a la the Republican House softball game. I'm not married to that theory, but considering some of the stances they've taken, I find it curious that they jump on general attacks -- regardless of target -- so virulently.
I take it as more of an attempt to appear that they aren't biased when clearly they are.

Look at the Trump ban the instituted and the reasoning saying that "its not open season on conservatives." Not a conservative but a libertarian but there is no way I would post there. Its clearly meant for the left side of the political spectrum. That's fine if that is the way they want it but don't try and claim to be not out banning people who disagree there TBP.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Tait Ransom on September 08, 2021, 08:35:02 PM
So at TBP they shut down discussion of “The list?” and this is a hate site?
Your statement should have ended with a period, not a question mark.
In your opinion what qualifies this as a hate site?
I didn't say it was. However, there is no question that RPGNet views it as such.
Next time be more specific.

What TBP qualifies as hate equates to anything they disagree with.
Pretty much.

Although they shuffle back and forth on allowing general attacks. Which I find odd -- the only thing that springs to mind immediately is that they don't want to get caught in some kind of legal crossfire if someone goes off their nut and tries to snipe some folks a la the Republican House softball game. I'm not married to that theory, but considering some of the stances they've taken, I find it curious that they jump on general attacks -- regardless of target -- so virulently.

I haven't been a regular poster there in a long time, but their uneven application of the group attack rules is one of the big reasons I left.  They may have gotten more consistent since then, but they also started outright allowing attacks on groups like ICE/border patrol beyond just fair criticism.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Shasarak on September 08, 2021, 09:31:21 PM
So a person acts decently for their whole life because they are expecting a divine reward and that makes them a piece of shit?

That makes no sense at all.  Who would even think like that?

Because I condivide Cohle's belief that you should be decent irrespectively of a "reward" of any kind.

Why should you choose to be decent at all?

Quote
Maybe this is because it is a topic that touches me closely. 13 years in a Catholic school didn't made me a Catholic (or a religious person in general), but they left me with the idea that this Jesus guy was a pretty cool dude, worth listening to. I also like Saint Augustine as a philosopher.

My beliefs? I do believe in a "soul" inhabiting the body and in free will, nothing else. I think that the idea of a "collective unconscious" is pretty cool and I hope that something like that does exists for real. But I also believe that when we die our soul will dissolve back into the collective unconscious the way the atoms and the molecules of our body will return to the physical world. The end.

So, when I try to be "decent" it is because I want to. I don't look for "divine rewards" or even social acceptance. And I'm not seeing "decency" in Wokeness at all. If I'll ever publish something "Woke" is because I came to believe in it. But be assured that racism in my current CoC campaign is a real thing, whereas orcs will not be "niggers" in a future D&D campaign: my choice, my consequences.

If you act decently because you want to act decently then that puts you in the same piece of shit category as someone who acts decently because they want to go to heaven.

You just tell yourself a different story.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Shasarak on September 08, 2021, 09:35:13 PM
So at TBP they shut down discussion of “The list?” and this is a hate site?
Your statement should have ended with a period, not a question mark.
In your opinion what qualifies this as a hate site?
I didn't say it was. However, there is no question that RPGNet views it as such.
Next time be more specific.

What TBP qualifies as hate equates to anything they disagree with.
Next time learn to fucking read. I'll be a specific or not as I wish.
Oooooo you sure told me!

Now you know why this is the hate site.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Snowman0147 on September 09, 2021, 12:44:54 AM
So at TBP they shut down discussion of “The list?” and this is a hate site?
Your statement should have ended with a period, not a question mark.
In your opinion what qualifies this as a hate site?

Don't bother asking him.  He is a known liar and backstabber that hates this site.

To answer your question yes the RPG.net did in fact shut down the topic.  This site, however, is NOT a hate site.  RPGPundit had banned more than enough racists to prove this site is in fact NOT a hate site.  Seriously just ask RPGPundit himself.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Pat on September 09, 2021, 03:05:46 AM
So at TBP they shut down discussion of “The list?” and this is a hate site?
Your statement should have ended with a period, not a question mark.
In your opinion what qualifies this as a hate site?

Don't bother asking him.  He is a known liar and backstabber that hates this site.

To answer your question yes the RPG.net did in fact shut down the topic.  This site, however, is NOT a hate site.  RPGPundit had banned more than enough racists to prove this site is in fact NOT a hate site.  Seriously just ask RPGPundit himself.
HappyDaze does hold divergent views and sometimes deliberately trolls people, but liar and hating this site are false characterizations. Look at the threads about Pundit's videos if you want evidence of the latter.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Reckall on September 09, 2021, 06:35:04 AM
If you act decently because you want to act decently then that puts you in the same piece of shit category as someone who acts decently because they want to go to heaven.

You just tell yourself a different story.

Sure, because I'm GOD, THE ETERNAL SAVIOUR, so, if I act decently I'll self-save ::)

Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: wmarshal on September 09, 2021, 08:34:56 AM
(Note: I was going to post this in reply to jhkim in the red list thread, but as I reviewed the thread before hitting the post button I think it belongs here more.)

I am a little curious about discussion of this list in other places - I recently saw a Facebook friend briefly mention it, but he said to ignore it. Does anyone have any links to discussion threads?

In principle, I'd think that a list like this could be useful for activists on both sides, letting them know who to buy from and who to avoid.
A few people at TBP wanted to start a discussion of the list at TBP, but that was shut down by the mods. They could have tried to justify the prohibition as a means to limit cross forum drama, but that would’ve been an insufficiently Woke reason, so instead they called this site a “hate site”. (If TheRPGsite is in their demented minds akin to a neo-nazi site it would make sense that they’ll eventually ban their members who are also posting here.)

Posters at TBP can’t link to this site, and can’t discuss the list, but we’re told “… the mods have decided if you want to talk about companies that are doing well on some issues (or doing poorly), feel free.” I haven’t seen such a discussion develop yet at TBP. I think that’s in part because it would be far easier for some of the users to have had a thread to function as Two Minutes of Hate against the list here, but the TBP mods have precluded that course. Making up their own list would require more work and effort than just a thread attacking this list.

In seeing the list created here a lot of sharp elbows have been thrown back and forth that wouldn’t be allowed at TBP. I think users at TBP would be reluctant to start working on their own list because they’d also be at risk catching bans for being out of sync with whichever direction the Woke winds were blowing any given day, including setting themselves up for catching bans months (years maybe) after the discussion was finished by a TBP mod going through users past posts.

Some companies have been getting shifted between the different categories on this list. People here have had their arguments and moved on. In a Woke environment if you find yourself on the losing end of an argument you’ll be expected to prostrate yourself, apologize and hope for forgiveness. But like in 1984 you’ll never be truly forgiven, you’re just being let go for a little while until the Party/Woke decide to finish you. Even a few years ago I think TBP could have had some discussion along these lines, but it’s been getting more and more restrictive over there as their users get more conditioned to ever tightening boundaries.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Thorn Drumheller on September 09, 2021, 11:02:40 AM
See, that's what I really find refreshing about this site. I have seen so much within the past couple of days that would have got loads of people banned from big purp. But here, sure blood pressure rises, but man it's been such a thought provoking discussion. And pundit rarely bans anyone.

I remember back in the day when there used to be good discussions on TBP.....but they're the epitome of eating their young and being destroyed from within.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ghostmaker on September 09, 2021, 12:14:40 PM
See, that's what I really find refreshing about this site. I have seen so much within the past couple of days that would have got loads of people banned from big purp. But here, sure blood pressure rises, but man it's been such a thought provoking discussion. And pundit rarely bans anyone.

I remember back in the day when there used to be good discussions on TBP.....but they're the epitome of eating their young and being destroyed from within.
I still wonder what got you turfed from TBP. :) But yeah. There's a line I like to use:

"This is Liberty Hall. You can spit on the mat, and call the cat a bastard."
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: jhkim on September 09, 2021, 12:26:53 PM
(Note: I was going to post this in reply to jhkim in the red list thread, but as I reviewed the thread before hitting the post button I think it belongs here more.)

I am a little curious about discussion of this list in other places - I recently saw a Facebook friend briefly mention it, but he said to ignore it. Does anyone have any links to discussion threads?

In principle, I'd think that a list like this could be useful for activists on both sides, letting them know who to buy from and who to avoid.
A few people at TBP wanted to start a discussion of the list at TBP, but that was shut down by the mods. They could have tried to justify the prohibition as a means to limit cross forum drama, but that would’ve been an insufficiently Woke reason, so instead they called this site a “hate site”. (If TheRPGsite is in their demented minds akin to a neo-nazi site it would make sense that they’ll eventually ban their members who are also posting here.)

Thanks, wmarshal. And if you have links, that would be great too.


See, that's what I really find refreshing about this site. I have seen so much within the past couple of days that would have got loads of people banned from big purp. But here, sure blood pressure rises, but man it's been such a thought provoking discussion. And pundit rarely bans anyone.

Yeah, I like a spirited argument - and there are plenty of those here. Though Pundit has banned two people in the past month - SonTodoGatos and Rhedyn - both with no warning. So it is more open than other sites for sure, but there are still limits on expression.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Thorn Drumheller on September 09, 2021, 12:31:03 PM
I still wonder what got you turfed from TBP. :) But yeah. There's a line I like to use:

"This is Liberty Hall. You can spit on the mat, and call the cat a bastard."

I know exactly. So my thirty day ban was because there was a "hurray there are gays in Waterdeep: Dragon Heist, we're represented" thread. I replied, seriously without rancor, that the good thing was I as the DM could change the sex/race of whatever I wanted cause TSR/WotC has told us that for ages. Make the game your own. And that pissed off a mod that said I was suspect as I hadn't posted in a while and I summarily was given the thirty day ban saying I was straightwashing them. I was pissed but got over it. And here's what really got me banned. I put in my avatar, after my ban, that I was "The Straightwasher". Someone noticed, told on me and permabanned due to rule 0, not a good fit.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: wmarshal on September 09, 2021, 01:14:06 PM
(Note: I was going to post this in reply to jhkim in the red list thread, but as I reviewed the thread before hitting the post button I think it belongs here more.)

I am a little curious about discussion of this list in other places - I recently saw a Facebook friend briefly mention it, but he said to ignore it. Does anyone have any links to discussion threads?

In principle, I'd think that a list like this could be useful for activists on both sides, letting them know who to buy from and who to avoid.
A few people at TBP wanted to start a discussion of the list at TBP, but that was shut down by the mods. They could have tried to justify the prohibition as a means to limit cross forum drama, but that would’ve been an insufficiently Woke reason, so instead they called this site a “hate site”. (If TheRPGsite is in their demented minds akin to a neo-nazi site it would make sense that they’ll eventually ban their members who are also posting here.)

Thanks, wmarshal. And if you have links, that would be great too.


See, that's what I really find refreshing about this site. I have seen so much within the past couple of days that would have got loads of people banned from big purp. But here, sure blood pressure rises, but man it's been such a thought provoking discussion. And pundit rarely bans anyone.

Yeah, I like a spirited argument - and there are plenty of those here. Though Pundit has banned two people in the past month - SonTodoGatos and Rhedyn - both with no warning. So it is more open than other sites for sure, but there are still limits on expression.

This is the original attempt to discuss the list:
https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/why-do-antisjws-complain-about-niche-games-they-will-never-play.886481/#post-24040054

This is the attempt to talk about the list without linking directly to the list that got shut down:
https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/is-it-ok-to-discuss-the-ttrpg-red-list.886560/

Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Shasarak on September 09, 2021, 08:29:49 PM
If you act decently because you want to act decently then that puts you in the same piece of shit category as someone who acts decently because they want to go to heaven.

You just tell yourself a different story.

Sure, because I'm GOD, THE ETERNAL SAVIOUR, so, if I act decently I'll self-save ::)

Yes you are god.

And dont let anyone tell you any different.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Reckall on September 10, 2021, 12:41:14 PM
If you act decently because you want to act decently then that puts you in the same piece of shit category as someone who acts decently because they want to go to heaven.

You just tell yourself a different story.

Sure, because I'm GOD, THE ETERNAL SAVIOUR, so, if I act decently I'll self-save ::)

Yes you are god.

And dont let anyone tell you any different.

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/c6/8e/1c/c68e1c54710c1a002d4317917e745337.jpg)
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: jhkim on September 10, 2021, 01:25:33 PM
This is the original attempt to discuss the list:
https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/why-do-antisjws-complain-about-niche-games-they-will-never-play.886481/#post-24040054

This is the attempt to talk about the list without linking directly to the list that got shut down:
https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/is-it-ok-to-discuss-the-ttrpg-red-list.886560/

Thanks again, wmarshal.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Shasarak on September 10, 2021, 05:13:53 PM
If you act decently because you want to act decently then that puts you in the same piece of shit category as someone who acts decently because they want to go to heaven.

You just tell yourself a different story.

Sure, because I'm GOD, THE ETERNAL SAVIOUR, so, if I act decently I'll self-save ::)

Yes you are god.

And dont let anyone tell you any different.

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/c6/8e/1c/c68e1c54710c1a002d4317917e745337.jpg)

And here I thought you didnt even realise.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Reckall on September 10, 2021, 08:11:16 PM
If you act decently because you want to act decently then that puts you in the same piece of shit category as someone who acts decently because they want to go to heaven.

You just tell yourself a different story.

Sure, because I'm GOD, THE ETERNAL SAVIOUR, so, if I act decently I'll self-save ::)

Yes you are god.

And dont let anyone tell you any different.

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/c6/8e/1c/c68e1c54710c1a002d4317917e745337.jpg)

And here I thought you didnt even realise.

Are you joking? I'm GOD. I INVENTED it 😂
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Shasarak on September 10, 2021, 08:18:45 PM
If you act decently because you want to act decently then that puts you in the same piece of shit category as someone who acts decently because they want to go to heaven.

You just tell yourself a different story.

Sure, because I'm GOD, THE ETERNAL SAVIOUR, so, if I act decently I'll self-save ::)

Yes you are god.

And dont let anyone tell you any different.

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/c6/8e/1c/c68e1c54710c1a002d4317917e745337.jpg)

And here I thought you didnt even realise.

Are you joking? I'm GOD. I INVENTED it 😂

I quite clearly used the black text.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Wrath of God on September 14, 2021, 09:43:14 AM
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You left out the best part. The mods are giving out bans for being critical of Satine. Because, literally, they feel it’s wrong to hold women accountable for their actions. Yes, they outright said that!

Whose Satine and who was critical towards her?

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You are only someone whose life and actions are calculated so to please an external entity - be it God, social consensus or anything else - hoping for recognition and a reward.

And for this reason you remain a piece of shit.

Difference is God is Absolute, while social consensus is not... Submitting to external entity in case of God is wise move, and metaphysically sound whether you have "internal values" that disagree with him or not at all (whatever "internal values" would be, I'd rather say internalised).
Therefore in rules of Absolution - contrition due to fear of social scorn is not enough, while contrition due to fear of God wrath is (though imperfect compared to divine love).

That's because well God and social consensus are not really the same.

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Because I condivide Cohle's belief that you should be decent irrespectively of a "reward" of any kind.

The point is... whole decency thing is then based onto... well nothing specific. All wishy-washy. And that's how we end with wokeism judging people harshly based on their empathy (which is type of biological perception that is unequally distributed among mankind).


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So, when I try to be "decent" it is because I want to.

But that just means you like things society considers decent. Different people want different things like burning down kindergartens and based on "I want to" you kinda lack good argument to stop them.



Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Reckall on September 15, 2021, 06:10:44 AM
Difference is God is Absolute, while social consensus is not...

Tell that to a SJW ;)

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So, when I try to be "decent" it is because I want to.

But that just means you like things society considers decent. Different people want different things like burning down kindergartens and based on "I want to" you kinda lack good argument to stop them.

You forget "responsibility". Once you ditch the chase for external values (and so you can't use the classic "God made me do it! Jodie Foster made me do it!" defence) you alone are responsible of your actions. And responsibility means acceptance of consequences. If you burn down kindergartens, "I want to" will not cut it: you will be impaled and burned. Not every self-regulating value in the society stems from aberrant forms of Social Justice.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ghostmaker on September 15, 2021, 08:47:53 AM
Back on track.

Alexa, play 'Another One Bites The Dust' by Queen.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/ryu238-receives-a-%F0%9F%92%80-permanent-ban.886850/

My guess is they were itching to banhammer this person ever since they linked to here.

EDIT: I should've checked out Trouble Tickets. Get a load of this:

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/might-it-be-okay-to-discuss-the-y-the-last-man-tv-show.886832/

'Mother, may I discuss this show?'.  ::)
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: oggsmash on September 15, 2021, 09:05:49 AM
On Police Killings

We recognize that the police killing minorities, the mentally ill, children, and others is an abominable indictment of our society. Such incidents are worthy of being discussed here on RPGnet. However, the boundaries of allowable discourse are necessarily narrow. That these killings happen frequently enough that we need a specific policy to address them is appalling.

When discussing a police killing, please observe the following guidelines:
Limit discussion to one killing per thread, unless they are closely related (multiple killings in close succession by the same police department, for example). Each killing is a tragedy that deserves consideration on its own, and we do not want any sort of 'Police Killing Megathread' to form.
"Threads about police killings are automatically🚦A-Game threads, even if we have not had a chance to label them as such.
In these threads, defenses of the police, or justifications for a killing are not permitted, and will result in lengthy bans.
Discussion of needed police reforms should be spun off into their own threads.
Because, at the end of the day there isn't a lot that can be discussed, beyond how terrible the latest killing was, threads on police killings will be locked when we judge that the discussion has run its course.
This is necessary to avoid the thread becoming a 'megathread' or drifting off topic once people have run out of things to say about the killing. Megathreads can also be attractive nuisances, drawing people to RPGnet just to post in such threads, and we do not want to have to moderate self-perpetuating sources of misery.
If new information about the killing comes to light, such as a police officer being indicted, you may report the locked thread (please include the new information in the report), and we will consider opening it for more discussion.
If a long period of time has elapsed between the original thread and new information, it is permissible to create a new thread, as the old thread may be hard to find. The new thread will be locked after discussion of the new information has run its course, as above."

   The policy for discussing police killings.... How can anyone discuss anything if there is NO ALLOWANCE for discussing it from the police officer's perspective?  That is not a discussion, that is a lynch mob.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ghostmaker on September 15, 2021, 09:36:59 AM
On Police Killings

We recognize that the police killing minorities, the mentally ill, children, and others is an abominable indictment of our society. Such incidents are worthy of being discussed here on RPGnet. However, the boundaries of allowable discourse are necessarily narrow. That these killings happen frequently enough that we need a specific policy to address them is appalling.

When discussing a police killing, please observe the following guidelines:
Limit discussion to one killing per thread, unless they are closely related (multiple killings in close succession by the same police department, for example). Each killing is a tragedy that deserves consideration on its own, and we do not want any sort of 'Police Killing Megathread' to form.
"Threads about police killings are automatically🚦A-Game threads, even if we have not had a chance to label them as such.
In these threads, defenses of the police, or justifications for a killing are not permitted, and will result in lengthy bans.
Discussion of needed police reforms should be spun off into their own threads.
Because, at the end of the day there isn't a lot that can be discussed, beyond how terrible the latest killing was, threads on police killings will be locked when we judge that the discussion has run its course.
This is necessary to avoid the thread becoming a 'megathread' or drifting off topic once people have run out of things to say about the killing. Megathreads can also be attractive nuisances, drawing people to RPGnet just to post in such threads, and we do not want to have to moderate self-perpetuating sources of misery.
If new information about the killing comes to light, such as a police officer being indicted, you may report the locked thread (please include the new information in the report), and we will consider opening it for more discussion.
If a long period of time has elapsed between the original thread and new information, it is permissible to create a new thread, as the old thread may be hard to find. The new thread will be locked after discussion of the new information has run its course, as above."

   The policy for discussing police killings.... How can anyone discuss anything if there is NO ALLOWANCE for discussing it from the police officer's perspective?  That is not a discussion, that is a lynch mob.
And technically, it violates their policy on group attacks, as it makes it impossible to form any cogent discussion other than 'ACAB'.

But then that would require them to admit that not 'all cops are bastards', and sometimes the shoot IS good, or at least justified.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: wmarshal on September 15, 2021, 11:37:30 AM
On Police Killings

We recognize that the police killing minorities, the mentally ill, children, and others is an abominable indictment of our society. Such incidents are worthy of being discussed here on RPGnet. However, the boundaries of allowable discourse are necessarily narrow. That these killings happen frequently enough that we need a specific policy to address them is appalling.

When discussing a police killing, please observe the following guidelines:
Limit discussion to one killing per thread, unless they are closely related (multiple killings in close succession by the same police department, for example). Each killing is a tragedy that deserves consideration on its own, and we do not want any sort of 'Police Killing Megathread' to form.
"Threads about police killings are automatically🚦A-Game threads, even if we have not had a chance to label them as such.
In these threads, defenses of the police, or justifications for a killing are not permitted, and will result in lengthy bans.
Discussion of needed police reforms should be spun off into their own threads.
Because, at the end of the day there isn't a lot that can be discussed, beyond how terrible the latest killing was, threads on police killings will be locked when we judge that the discussion has run its course.
This is necessary to avoid the thread becoming a 'megathread' or drifting off topic once people have run out of things to say about the killing. Megathreads can also be attractive nuisances, drawing people to RPGnet just to post in such threads, and we do not want to have to moderate self-perpetuating sources of misery.
If new information about the killing comes to light, such as a police officer being indicted, you may report the locked thread (please include the new information in the report), and we will consider opening it for more discussion.
If a long period of time has elapsed between the original thread and new information, it is permissible to create a new thread, as the old thread may be hard to find. The new thread will be locked after discussion of the new information has run its course, as above."

   The policy for discussing police killings.... How can anyone discuss anything if there is NO ALLOWANCE for discussing it from the police officer's perspective?  That is not a discussion, that is a lynch mob.
And technically, it violates their policy on group attacks, as it makes it impossible to form any cogent discussion other than 'ACAB'.

But then that would require them to admit that not 'all cops are bastards', and sometimes the shoot IS good, or at least justified.
A-Game threads are Two Minutes of Hate. That TBP says these threads are to involve discussion is just bait to issue bans for.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: oggsmash on September 15, 2021, 12:10:51 PM
On Police Killings

We recognize that the police killing minorities, the mentally ill, children, and others is an abominable indictment of our society. Such incidents are worthy of being discussed here on RPGnet. However, the boundaries of allowable discourse are necessarily narrow. That these killings happen frequently enough that we need a specific policy to address them is appalling.

When discussing a police killing, please observe the following guidelines:
Limit discussion to one killing per thread, unless they are closely related (multiple killings in close succession by the same police department, for example). Each killing is a tragedy that deserves consideration on its own, and we do not want any sort of 'Police Killing Megathread' to form.
"Threads about police killings are automatically🚦A-Game threads, even if we have not had a chance to label them as such.
In these threads, defenses of the police, or justifications for a killing are not permitted, and will result in lengthy bans.
Discussion of needed police reforms should be spun off into their own threads.
Because, at the end of the day there isn't a lot that can be discussed, beyond how terrible the latest killing was, threads on police killings will be locked when we judge that the discussion has run its course.
This is necessary to avoid the thread becoming a 'megathread' or drifting off topic once people have run out of things to say about the killing. Megathreads can also be attractive nuisances, drawing people to RPGnet just to post in such threads, and we do not want to have to moderate self-perpetuating sources of misery.
If new information about the killing comes to light, such as a police officer being indicted, you may report the locked thread (please include the new information in the report), and we will consider opening it for more discussion.
If a long period of time has elapsed between the original thread and new information, it is permissible to create a new thread, as the old thread may be hard to find. The new thread will be locked after discussion of the new information has run its course, as above."

   The policy for discussing police killings.... How can anyone discuss anything if there is NO ALLOWANCE for discussing it from the police officer's perspective?  That is not a discussion, that is a lynch mob.
And technically, it violates their policy on group attacks, as it makes it impossible to form any cogent discussion other than 'ACAB'.

But then that would require them to admit that not 'all cops are bastards', and sometimes the shoot IS good, or at least justified.
A-Game threads are Two Minutes of Hate. That TBP says these threads are to involve discussion is just bait to issue bans for.

  It sure seems to be, I guess discussion means attend a lecture and keep your damn mouth shut.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Thorn Drumheller on September 15, 2021, 05:17:27 PM
Back on track.

Alexa, play 'Another One Bites The Dust' by Queen.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/ryu238-receives-a-%F0%9F%92%80-permanent-ban.886850/

My guess is they were itching to banhammer this person ever since they linked to here.

EDIT: I should've checked out Trouble Tickets. Get a load of this:

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/might-it-be-okay-to-discuss-the-y-the-last-man-tv-show.886832/

'Mother, may I discuss this show?'.  ::)

This from the banning "You joined in 2013 and have been somewhat active since Jan 2020, so you should know the board culture by now." Gawd ain't that the truth. Big purp has a "Culture". And yeah, the amount of meek servility and asking to discuss something. Sheesh.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Shasarak on September 15, 2021, 05:32:44 PM
Back on track.

Alexa, play 'Another One Bites The Dust' by Queen.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/ryu238-receives-a-%F0%9F%92%80-permanent-ban.886850/

My guess is they were itching to banhammer this person ever since they linked to here.

EDIT: I should've checked out Trouble Tickets. Get a load of this:

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/might-it-be-okay-to-discuss-the-y-the-last-man-tv-show.886832/

'Mother, may I discuss this show?'.  ::)

This from the banning "You joined in 2013 and have been somewhat active since Jan 2020, so you should know the board culture by now." Gawd ain't that the truth. Big purp has a "Culture". And yeah, the amount of meek servility and asking to discuss something. Sheesh.

Nothing a dose of Penicillin could not fix.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: RandyB on September 15, 2021, 06:03:27 PM
Back on track.

Alexa, play 'Another One Bites The Dust' by Queen.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/ryu238-receives-a-%F0%9F%92%80-permanent-ban.886850/

My guess is they were itching to banhammer this person ever since they linked to here.

EDIT: I should've checked out Trouble Tickets. Get a load of this:

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/might-it-be-okay-to-discuss-the-y-the-last-man-tv-show.886832/

'Mother, may I discuss this show?'.  ::)

This from the banning "You joined in 2013 and have been somewhat active since Jan 2020, so you should know the board culture by now." Gawd ain't that the truth. Big purp has a "Culture". And yeah, the amount of meek servility and asking to discuss something. Sheesh.

Nothing a dose of Penicillin could not fix.

Disagree.

Some things, even Penicillin can't fix.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Shasarak on September 15, 2021, 06:20:26 PM
Back on track.

Alexa, play 'Another One Bites The Dust' by Queen.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/ryu238-receives-a-%F0%9F%92%80-permanent-ban.886850/

My guess is they were itching to banhammer this person ever since they linked to here.

EDIT: I should've checked out Trouble Tickets. Get a load of this:

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/might-it-be-okay-to-discuss-the-y-the-last-man-tv-show.886832/

'Mother, may I discuss this show?'.  ::)

This from the banning "You joined in 2013 and have been somewhat active since Jan 2020, so you should know the board culture by now." Gawd ain't that the truth. Big purp has a "Culture". And yeah, the amount of meek servility and asking to discuss something. Sheesh.

Nothing a dose of Penicillin could not fix.

Disagree.

Some things, even Penicillin can't fix.

Thats only because you have not used enough.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ghostmaker on September 15, 2021, 06:44:06 PM
I was going to make a similar joke. 'It's got culture like e. coli!'.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: RandyB on September 15, 2021, 07:01:29 PM
Back on track.

Alexa, play 'Another One Bites The Dust' by Queen.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/ryu238-receives-a-%F0%9F%92%80-permanent-ban.886850/

My guess is they were itching to banhammer this person ever since they linked to here.

EDIT: I should've checked out Trouble Tickets. Get a load of this:

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/might-it-be-okay-to-discuss-the-y-the-last-man-tv-show.886832/

'Mother, may I discuss this show?'.  ::)

This from the banning "You joined in 2013 and have been somewhat active since Jan 2020, so you should know the board culture by now." Gawd ain't that the truth. Big purp has a "Culture". And yeah, the amount of meek servility and asking to discuss something. Sheesh.

Nothing a dose of Penicillin could not fix.

Disagree.

Some things, even Penicillin can't fix.

Thats only because you have not used enough.
Back on track.

Alexa, play 'Another One Bites The Dust' by Queen.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/ryu238-receives-a-%F0%9F%92%80-permanent-ban.886850/

My guess is they were itching to banhammer this person ever since they linked to here.

EDIT: I should've checked out Trouble Tickets. Get a load of this:

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/might-it-be-okay-to-discuss-the-y-the-last-man-tv-show.886832/

'Mother, may I discuss this show?'.  ::)

This from the banning "You joined in 2013 and have been somewhat active since Jan 2020, so you should know the board culture by now." Gawd ain't that the truth. Big purp has a "Culture". And yeah, the amount of meek servility and asking to discuss something. Sheesh.

Nothing a dose of Penicillin could not fix.

Disagree.

Some things, even Penicillin can't fix.

Thats only because you have not used enough.
Back on track.

Alexa, play 'Another One Bites The Dust' by Queen.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/ryu238-receives-a-%F0%9F%92%80-permanent-ban.886850/

My guess is they were itching to banhammer this person ever since they linked to here.

EDIT: I should've checked out Trouble Tickets. Get a load of this:

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/might-it-be-okay-to-discuss-the-y-the-last-man-tv-show.886832/

'Mother, may I discuss this show?'.  ::)

This from the banning "You joined in 2013 and have been somewhat active since Jan 2020, so you should know the board culture by now." Gawd ain't that the truth. Big purp has a "Culture". And yeah, the amount of meek servility and asking to discuss something. Sheesh.

Nothing a dose of Penicillin could not fix.

Disagree.

Some things, even Penicillin can't fix.

Thats only because you have not used enough.

Funny. I thought that was true about explosives, not antibiotics.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Shasarak on September 15, 2021, 07:02:42 PM
Funny. I thought that was true about explosives, not antibiotics.

Medicine is all in the dosage.

Funny. I thought that was true about explosives, not antibiotics.

Medicine is all in the dosage.

Funny. I thought that was true about explosives, not antibiotics.

Medicine is all in the dosage.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: HappyDaze on September 15, 2021, 08:36:52 PM
Back on track.

Alexa, play 'Another One Bites The Dust' by Queen.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/ryu238-receives-a-%F0%9F%92%80-permanent-ban.886850/

My guess is they were itching to banhammer this person ever since they linked to here.

EDIT: I should've checked out Trouble Tickets. Get a load of this:

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/might-it-be-okay-to-discuss-the-y-the-last-man-tv-show.886832/

'Mother, may I discuss this show?'.  ::)

This from the banning "You joined in 2013 and have been somewhat active since Jan 2020, so you should know the board culture by now." Gawd ain't that the truth. Big purp has a "Culture". And yeah, the amount of meek servility and asking to discuss something. Sheesh.

Nothing a dose of Penicillin could not fix.

Disagree.

Some things, even Penicillin can't fix.
It can if they have a severe allergy to it.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Reckall on September 16, 2021, 06:41:22 AM
Back on track.

Alexa, play 'Another One Bites The Dust' by Queen.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/ryu238-receives-a-%F0%9F%92%80-permanent-ban.886850/

IMHO, this is the money quote:

"You posted a link to a hate forum to try and stir up cross-board drama"

Here you can post a link to RPG.net without problems, if on RPG.net you post a link to here you are in grave trouble, but this is the "hate forum" ::)

Edit: By mistake I wrote "can't post". What I meant was "can post".
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: oggsmash on September 16, 2021, 07:08:19 AM
Back on track.

Alexa, play 'Another One Bites The Dust' by Queen.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/ryu238-receives-a-%F0%9F%92%80-permanent-ban.886850/

IMHO, this is the money quote:

"You posted a link to a hate forum to try and stir up cross-board drama"

Here you can't post a link to RPG.net without problems, if on RPG.net you post a link to here you are in grave trouble, but this is the "hate forum" ::)

  Yeah, that line is very telling.  I guess he doesnt know what hate is.  Now had he said this is the grouchy forum, I would agree.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ghostmaker on September 16, 2021, 08:14:54 AM
Back on track.

Alexa, play 'Another One Bites The Dust' by Queen.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/ryu238-receives-a-%F0%9F%92%80-permanent-ban.886850/

IMHO, this is the money quote:

"You posted a link to a hate forum to try and stir up cross-board drama"

Here you can't post a link to RPG.net without problems, if on RPG.net you post a link to here you are in grave trouble, but this is the "hate forum" ::)

  Yeah, that line is very telling.  I guess he doesnt know what hate is.  Now had he said this is the grouchy forum, I would agree.
This is why I lecture about the importance of words and their meaning. 'Hate', to the TBP mods, is pretty much 'anything that doesn't agree with us'. Because remember, they're the Good Guys, and if you question them you're clearly Bad.

It's the same reason when people blather about how it's awesome to 'punch Nazis' you should be concerned. Because 'Nazi' has been defined downward to 'people we disagree with'.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: GriswaldTerrastone on September 16, 2021, 03:19:35 PM
Yet not communist, in spite of a history of mass murder, torture, and environmental destruction.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: soundchaser on September 16, 2021, 03:36:36 PM
A grand dumpster fire that place. I earned the badge, I mean a perma-ban, by pointing out that Soviet and Chinese communism (among other social experiments) actually did result in widespread deaths, gulag encampments, and so on.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ghostmaker on September 16, 2021, 03:55:10 PM
A grand dumpster fire that place. I earned the badge, I mean a perma-ban, by pointing out that Soviet and Chinese communism (among other social experiments) actually did result in widespread deaths, gulag encampments, and so on.
Heh, I dug back through to find your ban, just out of curiousity.

It took them three days to decide 'you're a poor fit' between that last warning and your permaban. You had a grand total of three warnings with two threadbans attached. No time-outs, no 'spend a day/a week/a month to rethink your posting', none of that.

I think you're right. I think they REALLY didn't like it when someone confronted them with the death toll of communism. So of course their reaction is the banhammer.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: DocJones on September 16, 2021, 05:49:58 PM

Nothing a dose of Penicillin could not fix.

Disagree.

Some things, even Penicillin can't fix.

Thats only because you have not used enough.
For starters...
TBP needs an injection of bleach, fish tank cleaner, and horse de-wormer.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ghostmaker on September 16, 2021, 06:34:00 PM

Nothing a dose of Penicillin could not fix.

Disagree.

Some things, even Penicillin can't fix.

Thats only because you have not used enough.
For starters...
TBP needs an injection of bleach, fish tank cleaner, and horse de-wormer.
Cobalt irradiation. Kills germs dead.

Jokes aside, I wonder how it's funded. Dyvers Hands turned out a storygame card game, but they don't seem to have done much (if anything) else.

I guess ad revenue helps, but it does explain why they shake the bowl yearly.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Anomalous on September 16, 2021, 10:14:33 PM
What we should do is find the most obnoxiously extreme leftists on all of the toxic RPG sites - you know the ones who are always there posting their drivel - and constantly upvote and support their posts with gushing saccharine replies until we've pushed out every person with a fragment of sanity left.  This will leave the sites either with no supporters or a reduction consisting only of troublesome impossible-to-please supporters.  Either case will eventually result in the disintegration of those places and we can all move on with our lives.

"That was a moving post - I applaud your bravery"  <- Copy/Paste

Tactic 2 would be "Blitzkreig to Godwin!"  where we take every opportunity to subtly move a thread to a discussion about Nazis, causing that thread to be shut down.  This tactic can be employed when the first tactic derails.

Example: https://www.enworld.org/threads/jessica-price-ex-paizo-employee-spills-the-beans.682682/page-14#post-8400082
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Shasarak on September 16, 2021, 10:47:30 PM
Tactic 2 would be "Blitzkreig to Godwin!"  where we take every opportunity to subtly move a thread to a discussion about Nazis, causing that thread to be shut down.  This tactic can be employed when the first tactic derails.

Example: https://www.enworld.org/threads/jessica-price-ex-paizo-employee-spills-the-beans.682682/page-14#post-8400082

The best thing about that thread was the mod complaining about people not following the narrative.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ghostmaker on September 17, 2021, 09:35:22 AM
Listen and believe, peasant. All accusations are true and cannot be false.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/chalk-shoutline-receives-a-%F0%9F%94%B4-warning.886963/

Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: KingCheops on September 17, 2021, 11:01:22 AM
Listen and believe, peasant. All accusations are true and cannot be false.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/chalk-shoutline-receives-a-%F0%9F%94%B4-warning.886963/

Lol abuse, infidelity, and even marital rape are the first moves of scumbag divorce attorneys.  It's absolutely okay to take a grain of salt when the accusations come from an ex-wife.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: oggsmash on September 17, 2021, 11:43:48 AM
Listen and believe, peasant. All accusations are true and cannot be false.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/chalk-shoutline-receives-a-%F0%9F%94%B4-warning.886963/

  Hey, at least in his avatar he has the title "his honorable tyranny".   So its not like anyone can't see it coming.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: DM_Curt on September 17, 2021, 01:21:54 PM
I'm new to this forum (drawn here by the Woke RPG List topic),  so I don't know or care if there is any history between this one and that.  But I was curious about the other forum, because of this thread, so I took a peek.

"HOLY SHITBALLS, ARCHER!", as Pam would say.

What a mess. I've been around forums, and even moderated a few.
Three blazingly obvious problems.
1. A subforum of lists of who has been banned/modded. You don't take trophies or make shame-lists. Any decent  manager of any decent company will say "Praise in public, punish in private ". It's not about transparency. Just make a mod note in the thread and move on.
2. A multipage screed for a set of forum rules. Rules are good if concise, and applied fairly.  This one even states which political candidates you are/aren't allowed to support.
3. Political statements on the front mast. It's nice that they support people, but the the 2020 "we stand for Asians/Pacific Islanders in light of recent attacks " lacks context. 1. Those are many different groups of people, some of whom can't stand each other, being lumped together. 2. It was born of a 2020 lie-of-omission by the media, who didn't discuss what group was disproportionately doing those attacks, because they wanted to pin it on "evil white Trumpers!". Now they have pinned statements that they can never, ever remove, or their own members will revolt.

What a shit-show.  I dare not dig too deeply.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ghostmaker on September 17, 2021, 02:47:40 PM
I'm new to this forum (drawn here by the Woke RPG List topic),  so I don't know or care if there is any history between this one and that.  But I was curious about the other forum, because of this thread, so I took a peek.

"HOLY SHITBALLS, ARCHER!", as Pam would say.

What a mess. I've been around forums, and even moderated a few.
Three blazingly obvious problems.
1. A subforum of lists of who has been banned/modded. You don't take trophies or make shame-lists. Any decent  manager of any decent company will say "Praise in public, punish in private ". It's not about transparency. Just make a mod note in the thread and move on.
2. A multipage screed for a set of forum rules. Rules are good if concise, and applied fairly.  This one even states which political candidates you are/aren't allowed to support.
3. Political statements on the front mast. It's nice that they support people, but the the 2020 "we stand for Asians/Pacific Islanders in light of recent attacks " lacks context. 1. Those are many different groups of people, some of whom can't stand each other, being lumped together. 2. It was born of a 2020 lie-of-omission by the media, who didn't discuss what group was disproportionately doing those attacks, because they wanted to pin it on "evil white Trumpers!". Now they have pinned statements that they can never, ever remove, or their own members will revolt.

What a shit-show.  I dare not dig too deeply.
Too late. Roll for SAN loss.

While I would be generally willing to have a subforum to show bans/infractions in the interests of transparency, you aren't wrong. That forum's not about transparency -- it's a trophy rack.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: oggsmash on September 17, 2021, 02:51:40 PM
I'm new to this forum (drawn here by the Woke RPG List topic),  so I don't know or care if there is any history between this one and that.  But I was curious about the other forum, because of this thread, so I took a peek.

"HOLY SHITBALLS, ARCHER!", as Pam would say.

What a mess. I've been around forums, and even moderated a few.
Three blazingly obvious problems.
1. A subforum of lists of who has been banned/modded. You don't take trophies or make shame-lists. Any decent  manager of any decent company will say "Praise in public, punish in private ". It's not about transparency. Just make a mod note in the thread and move on.
2. A multipage screed for a set of forum rules. Rules are good if concise, and applied fairly.  This one even states which political candidates you are/aren't allowed to support.
3. Political statements on the front mast. It's nice that they support people, but the the 2020 "we stand for Asians/Pacific Islanders in light of recent attacks " lacks context. 1. Those are many different groups of people, some of whom can't stand each other, being lumped together. 2. It was born of a 2020 lie-of-omission by the media, who didn't discuss what group was disproportionately doing those attacks, because they wanted to pin it on "evil white Trumpers!". Now they have pinned statements that they can never, ever remove, or their own members will revolt.

What a shit-show.  I dare not dig too deeply.
Too late. Roll for SAN loss.

While I would be generally willing to have a subforum to show bans/infractions in the interests of transparency, you aren't wrong. That forum's not about transparency -- it's a trophy rack.

  Well, it is a rack of trophies taken in a canned hunt though.  I have seen them literally make a rule on the spot or use a rule to mean something it did not say to stick it to people.   Those folks have their thing and I am glad it is not my thing.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Novastar on September 17, 2021, 05:01:51 PM
If the Banned subforum was just informational, it wouldn't be so bad; but the Mod's always take a last snarky swipe at whomever they've banned.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ghostmaker on September 19, 2021, 11:18:23 AM
This HAS to be a troll: https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/truth-or-dare-is-an-unethical-game.886994/

(Note: this is in Tangency so you'll need an account to see the thread)

Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: FelixGamingX1 on September 19, 2021, 04:28:32 PM
That place is gross.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: ChrisFox on September 19, 2021, 11:13:51 PM
Can anyone give me some (brief) context about
This HAS to be a troll: https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/truth-or-dare-is-an-unethical-game.886994/

(Note: this is in Tangency so you'll need an account to see the thread)



IMO the type of person to make a thread demonizing truth or dare is doing it because they were never invited to a game of truth or dare. Or any other social event.

Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Rob Necronomicon on September 20, 2021, 05:45:00 AM
This HAS to be a troll: https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/truth-or-dare-is-an-unethical-game.886994/

(Note: this is in Tangency so you'll need an account to see the thread)

We all did shit like that as a kid. And I don't think the world was ruined. The only way that shit really becomes 'unethical' is if someone has a gun pointed to you head and says 'you must play'.

What a bunch of oxygen thieves.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ghostmaker on September 20, 2021, 09:53:06 AM
https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/geoff-watson-receives-a-%F0%9F%9A%AB-seven-day-ban-and-threadban.887024/

They REALLY don't like having people point out hypocrisy on their part. I think they're STILL smarting over the Matt McFarland debacle. Also, Dawgstar snottily remarks, 'For yet another in a long string of terrible takes...' but there doesn't seem to be any other infractions on Geoff's part.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/rokomocha-receives-a-%F0%9F%92%80-permanent-ban-rule-zero-racism-apologism.887020/

Once again, TBP mods fail to tell the difference between fantasy and reality. Honestly, the whole 'no fantasy racism allowed' eliminates an entire storytelling angle.

But then, leftists aren't very creative anyways so I guess I shouldn't be surprised.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: oggsmash on September 20, 2021, 10:12:56 AM
  Seems like rule 0 is the rule to rule all the rules.  If you want to ban someone, just say rule 0 and ban em.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Rob Necronomicon on September 20, 2021, 10:15:19 AM
I'm alright with killing orc babies en masse. They should be exterminated.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ghostmaker on September 20, 2021, 10:55:31 AM
I'm alright with killing orc babies en masse. They should be exterminated.
It goes back to worldbuilding for the DM. You can make your orcs (or elves, or dwarfs, etc) how you like. Evil spirits clothed in flesh? Sapient fungi? Neanderthal-like offshoot? It's YOUR game. Do what you want.

The problem we have are the retards who want to bitch about games they don't even play.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Rob Necronomicon on September 20, 2021, 11:07:40 AM
I'm alright with killing orc babies en masse. They should be exterminated.
It goes back to worldbuilding for the DM. You can make your orcs (or elves, or dwarfs, etc) how you like. Evil spirits clothed in flesh? Sapient fungi? Neanderthal-like offshoot? It's YOUR game. Do what you want.

The problem we have are the retards who want to bitch about games they don't even play.

Well this is it... The options are limitless. They can have all the orcs as master bakers in their games for all I care.

But why they get their knickers in such a knot over imaginary orcs in an imaginary game is absolutely fucking pathetic. What a bunch of bed wetters!
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: FelixGamingX1 on September 20, 2021, 07:51:06 PM
At least most of the cancerous toxic to the hobby remains contained there. Some are lost and just need to be pointed the way, like this clown (https://www.therpgsite.com/reviews/knights-and-legends-dark-ink/). The dude is cringy af, desperate need for attention, gets easily triggered, etc. Definitely fits with the lunatics of rpg.not
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: HappyDaze on September 20, 2021, 08:11:38 PM
At least most of the cancerous toxic to the hobby remains contained there. Some are lost and just need to be pointed the way, like this clown (https://www.therpgsite.com/reviews/knights-and-legends-dark-ink/). The dude is cringy af, desperate need for attention, gets easily triggered, etc. Definitely fits with the lunatics of rpg.not
The dude took the time to review your product. He may have been critical of it, but you might do well to consider some of his points if you aim to improve your works. Attacking your critics is generally bad form (look how it worked for Disney).
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: FelixGamingX1 on September 20, 2021, 08:21:15 PM
At least most of the cancerous toxic to the hobby remains contained there. Some are lost and just need to be pointed the way, like this clown (https://www.therpgsite.com/reviews/knights-and-legends-dark-ink/). The dude is cringy af, desperate need for attention, gets easily triggered, etc. Definitely fits with the lunatics of rpg.not
The dude took the time to review your product. He may have been critical of it, but you might do well to consider some of his points if you aim to improve your works. Attacking your critics is generally bad form (look how it worked for Disney).

Oh please, these trolls think they’re “destroying” it. I’ll accept legit reviews, not troll reviews. Your review wasn’t bad but your star rating sucked. I thanked you regardless.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: EvilKam on September 21, 2021, 12:19:37 PM
Hey Felix, let's say my characters are injured after a fight.  What page of the book covers healing rates?  I can't find those rules, can you give me a page number?

And while I'm at it, how fast do characters recover magic points or mana?  Is it a set amount per day or hour or something?  I can't find those rules either.


Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ghostmaker on September 21, 2021, 01:28:43 PM
This isn't the 'review Felix's books' thread. Give it a rest. Go post DMs at each other or talk in the Reviews subforum.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: FelixGamingX1 on September 21, 2021, 01:39:41 PM
This isn't the 'review Felix's books' thread. Give it a rest. Go post DMs at each other or talk in the Reviews subforum.

Don’t waste your time on this fool. That’s what he does… just ban!
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: EvilKam on September 21, 2021, 01:50:02 PM
I might be a fool, but I am not foolish enough to mess with Chlorine trifluoride. ;)
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ghostmaker on September 21, 2021, 03:00:17 PM
This isn't the 'review Felix's books' thread. Give it a rest. Go post DMs at each other or talk in the Reviews subforum.

Don’t waste your time on this fool. That’s what he does… just ban!
LOL, I'm not a mod. I'm just the thread starter.

But the report button's only a short mouse click away.

I'm glad we're all understanding each other, though.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: FelixGamingX1 on September 21, 2021, 05:00:21 PM
This isn't the 'review Felix's books' thread. Give it a rest. Go post DMs at each other or talk in the Reviews subforum.

Don’t waste your time on this fool. That’s what he does… just ban!
LOL, I'm not a mod. I'm just the thread starter.

But the report button's only a short mouse click away.

I'm glad we're all understanding each other, though.

I mean, this guys is so unworthy of my time, I refuse to spend 10 seconds of my time reporting him. Beyond the people.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ghostmaker on September 22, 2021, 08:04:23 AM
Yesterday was a busy day for TBP's jannies.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/ted-receives-a-%F0%9F%94%B4-warning-threadban.887126/

Thou shalt not contradict the narrative, peasant. No evidence in favor of the accused allowed, even anecdotal.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/quasar-receives-a-%F0%9F%9A%AB-seven-day-ban-and-topic-ban-australian-politics.887127/

Your guess is as good as mine. But from the context, I guess the TBP mods aren't willing to endorse sexist takes against unvaxxed. Yet, anyways.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/chalk-shoutline-receives-a-%F0%9F%94%B4-warning-derailing-abuse-discussion.887130/

Listen and believe, peasant.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/eudaimic-receives-a-%F0%9F%9A%AB-three-day-ban-reporting-redtext-holdoing.887131/

No backtalking the mods either (really, Eudaimic, you've been there since 2003, you should know how pissy the mods get when the serfs get uppity).

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/lewd-beholder-receives-a-%F0%9F%94%B4-warning-othering-jokes.887133/

"Waaaah, how dare you stereotype a common stereotype, waaaaah."

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/ivy-receives-a-%F0%9F%94%B4-warning.887134/

I have to admit that's actually pretty funny -- the image, anyways. Guess the mods don't like reminders that most of the Dem backfield is made up of geriatrics (yes, I know, the GOP has similar issues).

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/elvago-receives-a-%F0%9F%94%B4-warning-and-threadban-derailing-in-an-a-game-thread.887160/

And remember, you don't ever get to defend yourself or others from allegations while on TBP. Otherwise you're just another shitlord.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: EvilKam on September 22, 2021, 03:50:44 PM
So as an outsider who hasn't been watching this situation develop over the years...

Holy crap, It'll take a lot of effort to dive through 17 pages of posts, but this really looks like a toxic shitstorm on rpg.net.  I wonder how long it will be before the site admins decide to purge the hilarious reviews of Jason Sartin and Darren McLennan for being "too mean" when reviewing such gems as Senzar and World of Synnibar.

Maybe I should make sure to archive those gems, lest they be canceled and deleted from history.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ghostmaker on September 22, 2021, 04:19:01 PM
So as an outsider who hasn't been watching this situation develop over the years...

Holy crap, It'll take a lot of effort to dive through 17 pages of posts, but this really looks like a toxic shitstorm on rpg.net.  I wonder how long it will be before the site admins decide to purge the hilarious reviews of Jason Sartin and Darren McLennan for being "too mean" when reviewing such gems as Senzar and World of Synnibar.

Maybe I should make sure to archive those gems, lest they be canceled and deleted from history.
McLennan is still a mod on TBP (he's Cannibal Smiley). However, as has been seen before, a mod who decides to go against the grain may find themselves on the outs no matter what their prior wokeness was.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Tait Ransom on September 22, 2021, 10:55:36 PM

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/eudaimic-receives-a-%F0%9F%9A%AB-three-day-ban-reporting-redtext-holdoing.887131/

No backtalking the mods either (really, Eudaimic, you've been there since 2003, you should know how pissy the mods get when the serfs get uppity).


Great Zonk, they’re unironically using “holdo” as a verb?!
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Shasarak on September 23, 2021, 12:50:19 AM
Ah, Holdo.

The gift that just keeps giving.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Aglondir on September 23, 2021, 01:53:02 AM
Maybe I should make sure to archive those gems, lest they be canceled and deleted from history.
Speaking of gems, do any of you old-timers recall AB3's stories about the "horrific" gaming sessions he endured?

I'm sure those are long gone.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Godfather Punk on September 23, 2021, 05:06:25 AM
Are those the ones with Lamont the incontinent dog and the Stick of Pain?
I think here's the first one: https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/the-day-i-killed-the-entire-party-before-the-first-combat-encounter.12210/
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ghostmaker on September 23, 2021, 07:17:11 AM
Yes. The Mountain Dew bottle use scarred my brain.

He's still writing, though. http://albruno3.blogspot.com
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ghostmaker on September 23, 2021, 08:35:57 AM
https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/myrme-receives-a-%F0%9F%9A%AB-one-day-ban.887209/

Considering how the TBP jannies maul the English language in their attempts to justify themselves, seeing one complain about 'insulting a people's language' is darkly amusing.

Of course it's Tanka, who never grew up from his high school days.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Thorn Drumheller on September 23, 2021, 03:54:34 PM
Maybe I should make sure to archive those gems, lest they be canceled and deleted from history.
Speaking of gems, do any of you old-timers recall AB3's stories about the "horrific" gaming sessions he endured?

I'm sure those are long gone.

Oh gads yes. Those are some entertaining reading

In fact there was some really good stuff back in the day. Stuff I haven't seen in years. Like the describe your game as movie trailers. Or the fantasy fucking vietnam dungeon crawl. And of course the ever popular hat of d02
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Reckall on September 24, 2021, 07:01:38 AM
https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/rokomocha-receives-a-%F0%9F%92%80-permanent-ban-rule-zero-racism-apologism.887020/

Once again, TBP mods fail to tell the difference between fantasy and reality. Honestly, the whole 'no fantasy racism allowed' eliminates an entire storytelling angle.

That was a very interesting post, and the poster got banned for surreal reasons. I hope that he comes over here, because it would be a pity to lose him.

Quote
But then, leftists aren't very creative anyways so I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

I disagree: creativity is not tied to your political Worldview. Fanatics however, are creative only when it comes to justify their obsessions. On this I agree.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Reckall on September 24, 2021, 08:16:27 AM
https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/elvago-receives-a-%F0%9F%94%B4-warning-and-threadban-derailing-in-an-a-game-thread.887160/

And remember, you don't ever get to defend yourself or others from allegations while on TBP. Otherwise you're just another shitlord.

IMHO, this is the most chilling one. "Innocent until proven guilty" (or "Presumption of innocence") is an international Human Right under the UN's Universal Declaration of Human Rights. As heavy as it seems, RPG.net is now posing themselves as human rights violators.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ghostmaker on September 24, 2021, 08:23:35 AM
https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/elvago-receives-a-%F0%9F%94%B4-warning-and-threadban-derailing-in-an-a-game-thread.887160/

And remember, you don't ever get to defend yourself or others from allegations while on TBP. Otherwise you're just another shitlord.

IMHO, this is the most chilling one. "Innocent until proven guilty" (or "Presumption of innocence") is an international Human Right under the UN's Universal Declaration of Human Rights. As heavy as it seems, RPG.net is now posing themselves as human rights violators.
Eh, the UN's declaration isn't worth the paper it's printed on. Look at some of the members and tell me they EVER gave a damn about human rights.

That being said, remember that TBP mods are ALL about 'listen and believe'. Proof (or lack thereof) is irrelevant. It only becomes a serious issue when they get burned (Black Hat Matt, for example).

When they're not suffering massive attacks of no-shit idiocy, anyways. Case in point: https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/talakeal-receives-a-%F0%9F%92%80-permanent-ban.887236/

I swear, it's like Dawgstar goes out of his way to creatively interpret posts in the worst possible way.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Gagarth on September 24, 2021, 09:27:31 AM
The arseholes at RPG.NET have gone completely insane.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Reckall on September 24, 2021, 09:56:40 AM
https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/elvago-receives-a-%F0%9F%94%B4-warning-and-threadban-derailing-in-an-a-game-thread.887160/

And remember, you don't ever get to defend yourself or others from allegations while on TBP. Otherwise you're just another shitlord.

IMHO, this is the most chilling one. "Innocent until proven guilty" (or "Presumption of innocence") is an international Human Right under the UN's Universal Declaration of Human Rights. As heavy as it seems, RPG.net is now posing themselves as human rights violators.
Eh, the UN's declaration isn't worth the paper it's printed on. Look at some of the members and tell me they EVER gave a damn about human rights.

Fine. This is just another way to say that RPG.net doesn't give a damn about Human Rights. This doesn't make Human Rights wrong or those who ignore them "Paladins of Justice".
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ghostmaker on September 24, 2021, 10:53:33 AM
https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/elvago-receives-a-%F0%9F%94%B4-warning-and-threadban-derailing-in-an-a-game-thread.887160/

And remember, you don't ever get to defend yourself or others from allegations while on TBP. Otherwise you're just another shitlord.

IMHO, this is the most chilling one. "Innocent until proven guilty" (or "Presumption of innocence") is an international Human Right under the UN's Universal Declaration of Human Rights. As heavy as it seems, RPG.net is now posing themselves as human rights violators.
Eh, the UN's declaration isn't worth the paper it's printed on. Look at some of the members and tell me they EVER gave a damn about human rights.

Fine. This is just another way to say that RPG.net doesn't give a damn about Human Rights. This doesn't make Human Rights wrong or those who ignore them "Paladins of Justice".
“Ah, yes, the "unalienable rights." Each year someone quotes that magnificent poetry. Life? What "right" to life has a man who is drowning in the Pacific? The ocean will not hearken to his cries. What "right" to life has a man who must die if he is to save his children? If he chooses to save his own life, does he do so as a matter of "right"? If two men are starving and cannibalism is the only alternative to death, which man's right is "unalienable"? And is it "right"? As to liberty, the heroes who signed the great document pledged themselves to buy liberty with their lives. Liberty is never unalienable; it must be redeemed regularly with the blood of patriots or it always vanishes. Of all the so-called natural human rights that have ever been invented, liberty is least likely to be cheap and is never free of cost.

"The third "right"? - the "pursuit of happiness"? It is indeed unalienable but it is not a right; it is simply a universal condition which tyrants cannot take away nor patriots restore. Cast me into a dungeon, burn me at the stake, crown me king of kings, I can "pursue happiness" as long as my brain lives - but neither gods nor saints, wise men nor subtle drugs, can insure that I will catch it.” --Robert Heinlein, Starship Troopers

In any case, though, you're not entirely wrong. But I daresay a TBP mod would argue that the 'right' of the posters to not be 'triggered' by unpleasant discussion to override any quibbling about things like 'due process'. And that the 'rights' of criminals are more meaningful than that of a policeman defending himself (referencing their stance on police shootings).

You might consider reading Kevin Baker's commentary on this: https://smallestminority.blogspot.com/2003/05/before-i-go-to-bed-who-am-i-fooling.html

He makes a good point: ultimately, rights are what a society agrees on and believes in. TBP is a micro-society, yes, but it has decided that trembling snowflakes have the right to not be triggered by dispassionate discussions about unpleasant things like slavery, or that negative criticism of a topic is tantamount to 'threadcrapping' and should be stamped out. I'm sure the Taliban would be happy to lecture on the 'rights' of the menfolk in their society, as well. Maybe we should arrange a meeting between the two. And sell tickets to the pay per view.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: SHARK on September 24, 2021, 01:28:53 PM
Greetings!

Earlier this morning I read an article which discussed an interview with the Taliban's chief Imam and enforcer. The Taliban has announced that "Strict punishments and executions will return". The Imam said that no one will tell the Taliban what their laws can be. The Taliban will make their laws based on the Koran.

The UN and the United States both have complained and protested the Taliban's policy--and the Taliban has told them all to get fucked.

All the sniveling SJW's and Marxists would have such a good time living under the Taliban government.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ghostmaker on September 24, 2021, 01:43:08 PM
Greetings!

Earlier this morning I read an article which discussed an interview with the Taliban's chief Imam and enforcer. The Taliban has announced that "Strict punishments and executions will return". The Imam said that no one will tell the Taliban what their laws can be. The Taliban will make their laws based on the Koran.

The UN and the United States both have complained and protested the Taliban's policy--and the Taliban has told them all to get fucked.

All the sniveling SJW's and Marxists would have such a good time living under the Taliban government.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
I can't decide if the protests are just pro forma or if they honest to God believe their puling will change the Taliban's minds.

If it's the former, I suppose I can at least accept it as realpolitik, the movement of a pawn or two in the chess game. It still looks silly.

If it's the latter, then the current regime is made up of phenomenal fucking morons.

Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: oggsmash on September 24, 2021, 03:32:21 PM
  Thing with rights and freedom, they are not given.  They have to be taken.  If you are not willing to die for those things, you will not have them.  The Taliban was willing to die for what they wanted.  The queefs the USA trained were not, hell not even  willing to sweat for the most part.  This is a constant cycle for everything, everywhere, ever. 
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Reckall on September 24, 2021, 05:17:58 PM
  Thing with rights and freedom, they are not given.  They have to be taken.  If you are not willing to die for those things, you will not have them.  The Taliban was willing to die for what they wanted.

This guy too. It didn't end well.

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Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: wmarshal on September 25, 2021, 09:52:23 AM
I can’t decide if TBP has a complete absence of a sense of humor, or if this guy is a deliberate target of the mods that they’ll interpret this guy’s post in the worst way possible. If the latter, the mods there are just some sick sadists for dragging this out, and not just going to a rule 0 ban.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/numanoid-receives-a-🚫-thirty-day-ban.887310/
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Wntrlnd on September 25, 2021, 10:18:06 AM
I can’t decide if TBP has a complete absence of a sense of humor, or if this guy is a deliberate target of the mods that they’ll interpret this guy’s post in the worst way possible. If the latter, the mods there are just some sick sadists for dragging this out, and not just going to a rule 0 ban.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/numanoid-receives-a-🚫-thirty-day-ban.887310/


for a comment made in 2019.. someone had to DIG for that

or maybe they just went to the posters history and saw he had made a similar joke. Still, to use something from 2 years ago is just petty.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ghostmaker on September 25, 2021, 11:37:41 AM
I can't even tell what he ate the thirty day ban for. The content goes to his profile.

He caught a threadban and warning for a joke he made Monday ('how to make Mutants and Masterminds 3E more gritty? Dip it in glue and coat it in coarse sand!').

Not constructive, but still funny.

He should probably start making his exit plan.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: wmarshal on September 25, 2021, 11:54:18 AM
It seems that when you are Woke, everything has to be 100% serious 100% of the time. If you don’t understand that something is a joke, then it must be some kind of subversion of your ideology. At least TBP doesn’t have the authority to kill comedians like the Taliban is doing now, but I can easily see some kind of Comedy Review Board coming along in the next 20 years. Similar to the old Comics Code Authority.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Horace on September 25, 2021, 02:17:36 PM
https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/rokomocha-receives-a-%F0%9F%92%80-permanent-ban-rule-zero-racism-apologism.887020/

Once again, TBP mods fail to tell the difference between fantasy and reality. Honestly, the whole 'no fantasy racism allowed' eliminates an entire storytelling angle.
That was a very interesting post, and the poster got banned for surreal reasons. I hope that he comes over here, because it would be a pity to lose him.
It was such an insightful post that I saved it to my hard drive. It does a better job of explaining the mood and assumptions of an OSR setting than I can do myself. If I ever run something in Greyhawk, I might ask my players to read it so they know what to expect.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Horace on September 25, 2021, 02:21:55 PM
I can’t decide if TBP has a complete absence of a sense of humor, or if this guy is a deliberate target of the mods that they’ll interpret this guy’s post in the worst way possible. If the latter, the mods there are just some sick sadists for dragging this out, and not just going to a rule 0 ban.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/numanoid-receives-a-🚫-thirty-day-ban.887310/
"Making Mutants and Masterminds 3E more gritty?" -- "Coat the book in glue and dip it in course sand."

Heh. That's pretty funny. But leftists are not known for their sense of humor. Just the opposite, in fact.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Wntrlnd on September 25, 2021, 04:22:30 PM
I can't even tell what he ate the thirty day ban for. The content goes to his profile.

He caught a threadban and warning for a joke he made Monday ('how to make Mutants and Masterminds 3E more gritty? Dip it in glue and coat it in coarse sand!').

Not constructive, but still funny.

He should probably start making his exit plan.

from what I can tell, he made a joke 2 years ago about orcs turning human into glue in a thread that was about what makes human societies "stick together", social glue if you will. The ban that time was lenient (3 days and a threadban) because he was making a tasteless joke in an otherwise serious thread. (threadcrapping) He was also warned that he should stop threadcrapping. or else.

So now more recently he joked about glue -again. The mod after a warning then searched his history and found the 2 year old warning. So they upped it to 1 month
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Shasarak on September 25, 2021, 04:36:00 PM
It’s all very well to joke but do you know how exhausting it is to have to constantly search posters history to find excuses to ban them?

Won’t someone think of the poor Mods?
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ghostmaker on September 26, 2021, 08:49:08 AM
It’s all very well to joke but do you know how exhausting it is to have to constantly search posters history to find excuses to ban them?

Won’t someone think of the poor Mods?
I am thinking of them. I think they should quit.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Godfather Punk on September 26, 2021, 10:43:05 AM
Some random though, overspill from the Price thread... If you need to ban everybody who's been a member for over 15 years because they're "not a good fit for the forum", maybe it's just that you're just not a good fit to moderate that forum.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Wntrlnd on September 26, 2021, 02:11:54 PM
Some random though, overspill from the Price thread... If you need to ban everybody who's been a member for over 15 years because they're "not a good fit for the forum", maybe it's just that you're just not a good fit to moderate that forum.

Yeah, when posting on RPG.net feels like having a sword of Damocles hanging over you, it's time to go.

When you rule by creating fear, thats the sign of a bad leadership.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: FelixGamingX1 on September 26, 2021, 02:19:13 PM
Some random though, overspill from the Price thread... If you need to ban everybody who's been a member for over 15 years because they're "not a good fit for the forum", maybe it's just that you're just not a good fit to moderate that forum.

Yeah, when posting on RPG.net feels like having a sword of Damocles hanging over you, it's time to go.

When you rule by creating fear, thats the sign of a bad leadership.

Best thing to do is to avoid gross zealotry by not participating in toxic communities. Geek and Pub are two others I personally recommend avoiding. They follow the same dictatorship, possibly some of the same losers who are slowly dissolving the hobby into something evil and twisted.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Joey2k on September 26, 2021, 05:58:40 PM
Some random though, overspill from the Price thread... If you need to ban everybody who's been a member for over 15 years because they're "not a good fit for the forum", maybe it's just that you're just not a good fit to moderate that forum.

Yeah, when posting on RPG.net feels like having a sword of Damocles hanging over you, it's time to go.

When you rule by creating fear, thats the sign of a bad leadership.

Best thing to do is to avoid gross zealotry by not participating in toxic communities. Geek and Pub are two others I personally recommend avoiding. They follow the same dictatorship, possibly some of the same losers who are slowly dissolving the hobby into something evil and twisted.

Are you referring to rpgpub? I'm not over there all that often, but from what I've seen it's fairly innocuous. What have you witnessed over there?
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: FelixGamingX1 on September 26, 2021, 07:02:41 PM
Some random though, overspill from the Price thread... If you need to ban everybody who's been a member for over 15 years because they're "not a good fit for the forum", maybe it's just that you're just not a good fit to moderate that forum.

Yeah, when posting on RPG.net feels like having a sword of Damocles hanging over you, it's time to go.

When you rule by creating fear, thats the sign of a bad leadership.

Best thing to do is to avoid gross zealotry by not participating in toxic communities. Geek and Pub are two others I personally recommend avoiding. They follow the same dictatorship, possibly some of the same losers who are slowly dissolving the hobby into something evil and twisted.

Are you referring to rpgpub? I'm not over there all that often, but from what I've seen it's fairly innocuous. What have you witnessed over there?

Wokeness, loserness, and typical hive mentality you’ll find on Reddit. Same perps from geek in some occasions. If you defy their logic then you get the ban hammer. That dude from zweihander is there too, giving “advice” to beginners, forgot his name.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Bunch on September 26, 2021, 11:19:11 PM
Some random though, overspill from the Price thread... If you need to ban everybody who's been a member for over 15 years because they're "not a good fit for the forum", maybe it's just that you're just not a good fit to moderate that forum.

Yeah, when posting on RPG.net feels like having a sword of Damocles hanging over you, it's time to go.

When you rule by creating fear, thats the sign of a bad leadership.

Best thing to do is to avoid gross zealotry by not participating in toxic communities. Geek and Pub are two others I personally recommend avoiding. They follow the same dictatorship, possibly some of the same losers who are slowly dissolving the hobby into something evil and twisted.

Are you referring to rpgpub? I'm not over there all that often, but from what I've seen it's fairly innocuous. What have you witnessed over there?

Wokeness, loserness, and typical hive mentality you’ll find on Reddit. Same perps from geek in some occasions. If you defy their logic then you get the ban hammer. That dude from zweihander is there too, giving “advice” to beginners, forgot his name.

I think only four people have been banned from RPGPub and two of them are ZakS and Zwiehander (Daniel Fox)
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Reckall on September 27, 2021, 07:02:13 PM
https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/elvago-receives-a-%F0%9F%94%B4-warning-and-threadban-derailing-in-an-a-game-thread.887160/

And remember, you don't ever get to defend yourself or others from allegations while on TBP. Otherwise you're just another shitlord.

IMHO, this is the most chilling one. "Innocent until proven guilty" (or "Presumption of innocence") is an international Human Right under the UN's Universal Declaration of Human Rights. As heavy as it seems, RPG.net is now posing themselves as human rights violators.
Eh, the UN's declaration isn't worth the paper it's printed on. Look at some of the members and tell me they EVER gave a damn about human rights.

Fine. This is just another way to say that RPG.net doesn't give a damn about Human Rights. This doesn't make Human Rights wrong or those who ignore them "Paladins of Justice".
“Ah, yes, the "unalienable rights." Each year someone quotes that magnificent poetry. Life? What "right" to life has a man who is drowning in the Pacific? The ocean will not hearken to his cries. What "right" to life has a man who must die if he is to save his children? If he chooses to save his own life, does he do so as a matter of "right"? If two men are starving and cannibalism is the only alternative to death, which man's right is "unalienable"? And is it "right"? As to liberty, the heroes who signed the great document pledged themselves to buy liberty with their lives. Liberty is never unalienable; it must be redeemed regularly with the blood of patriots or it always vanishes. Of all the so-called natural human rights that have ever been invented, liberty is least likely to be cheap and is never free of cost.

"The third "right"? - the "pursuit of happiness"? It is indeed unalienable but it is not a right; it is simply a universal condition which tyrants cannot take away nor patriots restore. Cast me into a dungeon, burn me at the stake, crown me king of kings, I can "pursue happiness" as long as my brain lives - but neither gods nor saints, wise men nor subtle drugs, can insure that I will catch it.” --Robert Heinlein, Starship Troopers

In any case, though, you're not entirely wrong. But I daresay a TBP mod would argue that the 'right' of the posters to not be 'triggered' by unpleasant discussion to override any quibbling about things like 'due process'. And that the 'rights' of criminals are more meaningful than that of a policeman defending himself (referencing their stance on police shootings).

You might consider reading Kevin Baker's commentary on this: https://smallestminority.blogspot.com/2003/05/before-i-go-to-bed-who-am-i-fooling.html

He makes a good point: ultimately, rights are what a society agrees on and believes in.

Let me make a wild guess: this guy never saw "Twelve Angry Men".
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ghostmaker on September 27, 2021, 09:14:45 PM
https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/elvago-receives-a-%F0%9F%94%B4-warning-and-threadban-derailing-in-an-a-game-thread.887160/

And remember, you don't ever get to defend yourself or others from allegations while on TBP. Otherwise you're just another shitlord.

IMHO, this is the most chilling one. "Innocent until proven guilty" (or "Presumption of innocence") is an international Human Right under the UN's Universal Declaration of Human Rights. As heavy as it seems, RPG.net is now posing themselves as human rights violators.
Eh, the UN's declaration isn't worth the paper it's printed on. Look at some of the members and tell me they EVER gave a damn about human rights.

Fine. This is just another way to say that RPG.net doesn't give a damn about Human Rights. This doesn't make Human Rights wrong or those who ignore them "Paladins of Justice".
“Ah, yes, the "unalienable rights." Each year someone quotes that magnificent poetry. Life? What "right" to life has a man who is drowning in the Pacific? The ocean will not hearken to his cries. What "right" to life has a man who must die if he is to save his children? If he chooses to save his own life, does he do so as a matter of "right"? If two men are starving and cannibalism is the only alternative to death, which man's right is "unalienable"? And is it "right"? As to liberty, the heroes who signed the great document pledged themselves to buy liberty with their lives. Liberty is never unalienable; it must be redeemed regularly with the blood of patriots or it always vanishes. Of all the so-called natural human rights that have ever been invented, liberty is least likely to be cheap and is never free of cost.

"The third "right"? - the "pursuit of happiness"? It is indeed unalienable but it is not a right; it is simply a universal condition which tyrants cannot take away nor patriots restore. Cast me into a dungeon, burn me at the stake, crown me king of kings, I can "pursue happiness" as long as my brain lives - but neither gods nor saints, wise men nor subtle drugs, can insure that I will catch it.” --Robert Heinlein, Starship Troopers

In any case, though, you're not entirely wrong. But I daresay a TBP mod would argue that the 'right' of the posters to not be 'triggered' by unpleasant discussion to override any quibbling about things like 'due process'. And that the 'rights' of criminals are more meaningful than that of a policeman defending himself (referencing their stance on police shootings).

You might consider reading Kevin Baker's commentary on this: https://smallestminority.blogspot.com/2003/05/before-i-go-to-bed-who-am-i-fooling.html

He makes a good point: ultimately, rights are what a society agrees on and believes in.

Let me make a wild guess: this guy never saw "Twelve Angry Men".
Why don't you ask him? His blog's now at smallestminority.org. He has a comments section. He likes to engage.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Reckall on September 28, 2021, 03:10:40 AM
https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/elvago-receives-a-%F0%9F%94%B4-warning-and-threadban-derailing-in-an-a-game-thread.887160/

And remember, you don't ever get to defend yourself or others from allegations while on TBP. Otherwise you're just another shitlord.

IMHO, this is the most chilling one. "Innocent until proven guilty" (or "Presumption of innocence") is an international Human Right under the UN's Universal Declaration of Human Rights. As heavy as it seems, RPG.net is now posing themselves as human rights violators.
Eh, the UN's declaration isn't worth the paper it's printed on. Look at some of the members and tell me they EVER gave a damn about human rights.

Fine. This is just another way to say that RPG.net doesn't give a damn about Human Rights. This doesn't make Human Rights wrong or those who ignore them "Paladins of Justice".
“Ah, yes, the "unalienable rights." Each year someone quotes that magnificent poetry. Life? What "right" to life has a man who is drowning in the Pacific? The ocean will not hearken to his cries. What "right" to life has a man who must die if he is to save his children? If he chooses to save his own life, does he do so as a matter of "right"? If two men are starving and cannibalism is the only alternative to death, which man's right is "unalienable"? And is it "right"? As to liberty, the heroes who signed the great document pledged themselves to buy liberty with their lives. Liberty is never unalienable; it must be redeemed regularly with the blood of patriots or it always vanishes. Of all the so-called natural human rights that have ever been invented, liberty is least likely to be cheap and is never free of cost.

"The third "right"? - the "pursuit of happiness"? It is indeed unalienable but it is not a right; it is simply a universal condition which tyrants cannot take away nor patriots restore. Cast me into a dungeon, burn me at the stake, crown me king of kings, I can "pursue happiness" as long as my brain lives - but neither gods nor saints, wise men nor subtle drugs, can insure that I will catch it.” --Robert Heinlein, Starship Troopers

In any case, though, you're not entirely wrong. But I daresay a TBP mod would argue that the 'right' of the posters to not be 'triggered' by unpleasant discussion to override any quibbling about things like 'due process'. And that the 'rights' of criminals are more meaningful than that of a policeman defending himself (referencing their stance on police shootings).

You might consider reading Kevin Baker's commentary on this: https://smallestminority.blogspot.com/2003/05/before-i-go-to-bed-who-am-i-fooling.html

He makes a good point: ultimately, rights are what a society agrees on and believes in.

Let me make a wild guess: this guy never saw "Twelve Angry Men".
Why don't you ask him? His blog's now at smallestminority.org. He has a comments section. He likes to engage.

With "engaging" meaning "a podium and a megaphone"? It is a serious question.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ghostmaker on September 28, 2021, 06:25:31 AM
https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/elvago-receives-a-%F0%9F%94%B4-warning-and-threadban-derailing-in-an-a-game-thread.887160/

And remember, you don't ever get to defend yourself or others from allegations while on TBP. Otherwise you're just another shitlord.

IMHO, this is the most chilling one. "Innocent until proven guilty" (or "Presumption of innocence") is an international Human Right under the UN's Universal Declaration of Human Rights. As heavy as it seems, RPG.net is now posing themselves as human rights violators.
Eh, the UN's declaration isn't worth the paper it's printed on. Look at some of the members and tell me they EVER gave a damn about human rights.

Fine. This is just another way to say that RPG.net doesn't give a damn about Human Rights. This doesn't make Human Rights wrong or those who ignore them "Paladins of Justice".
“Ah, yes, the "unalienable rights." Each year someone quotes that magnificent poetry. Life? What "right" to life has a man who is drowning in the Pacific? The ocean will not hearken to his cries. What "right" to life has a man who must die if he is to save his children? If he chooses to save his own life, does he do so as a matter of "right"? If two men are starving and cannibalism is the only alternative to death, which man's right is "unalienable"? And is it "right"? As to liberty, the heroes who signed the great document pledged themselves to buy liberty with their lives. Liberty is never unalienable; it must be redeemed regularly with the blood of patriots or it always vanishes. Of all the so-called natural human rights that have ever been invented, liberty is least likely to be cheap and is never free of cost.

"The third "right"? - the "pursuit of happiness"? It is indeed unalienable but it is not a right; it is simply a universal condition which tyrants cannot take away nor patriots restore. Cast me into a dungeon, burn me at the stake, crown me king of kings, I can "pursue happiness" as long as my brain lives - but neither gods nor saints, wise men nor subtle drugs, can insure that I will catch it.” --Robert Heinlein, Starship Troopers

In any case, though, you're not entirely wrong. But I daresay a TBP mod would argue that the 'right' of the posters to not be 'triggered' by unpleasant discussion to override any quibbling about things like 'due process'. And that the 'rights' of criminals are more meaningful than that of a policeman defending himself (referencing their stance on police shootings).

You might consider reading Kevin Baker's commentary on this: https://smallestminority.blogspot.com/2003/05/before-i-go-to-bed-who-am-i-fooling.html

He makes a good point: ultimately, rights are what a society agrees on and believes in.

Let me make a wild guess: this guy never saw "Twelve Angry Men".
Why don't you ask him? His blog's now at smallestminority.org. He has a comments section. He likes to engage.

With "engaging" meaning "a podium and a megaphone"? It is a serious question.
And it was a serious response. I have no idea if he saw "Twelve Angry Men". I have no idea what the hell your point is, other than you don't like the angle he (and I) were making.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ghostmaker on September 28, 2021, 08:10:19 AM
Getting back on track here.

Dawgstar denies reality, warns someone for having the nerve to point out issues with a new edition of D&D:
https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/lotus-crane-receives-a-%F0%9F%94%B4-warning.887401/

Really, Dawgstar. Stop pretending 4E wasn't a mess.

Q99 tosses a warning and threadban for... talking bad about another dev in the John Wick thread.
https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/mae69-receives-a-%F0%9F%94%B4-warning-and-threadban.887409/

The cynical part of me wonders who it was and if they have friends on TBP staff.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: wmarshal on September 28, 2021, 08:32:37 AM
Getting back on track here.

Dawgstar denies reality, warns someone for having the nerve to point out issues with a new edition of D&D:
https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/lotus-crane-receives-a-%F0%9F%94%B4-warning.887401/

Really, Dawgstar. Stop pretending 4E wasn't a mess.

Q99 tosses a warning and threadban for... talking bad about another dev in the John Wick thread.
https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/mae69-receives-a-%F0%9F%94%B4-warning-and-threadban.887409/

The cynical part of me wonders who it was and if they have friends on TBP staff.
First, Lotus Crane was really on point with his critique of 4E. Unfortunately, truth is no defense if it’s going to hurt someone’s feelings at TBP.

Second, there are no real friends among the mods at TBP. There are only those who are currently members of the Inner Party, and those who are not. I’m sure whoever that other designer was will soon find themselves cast out of the Inner Party. It’ll practically happen to almost all members given time.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: RandyB on September 28, 2021, 01:47:51 PM
TBP is Revolutionary Paris writ small. History repeating as farce.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ghostmaker on September 28, 2021, 02:05:38 PM
Excitable Tanka strikes again.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/lonewolf23-receives-a-%F0%9F%94%B4-warning-threadban.887429/

Although really Lonewolf23, you've been on TBP since 2002. Did you miss the part where the jannies stated 'listen and believe' is the only policy there?

Dawgstar continues to demonstrate a complete lack of humor or even capacity for introspection.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/solarn-receives-a-%F0%9F%9A%AB-three-day-ban.887437/

I guess it's against policy to talk bad about stanning now. Do they even know what the word means? Heck, I do.

Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: zagreus on September 29, 2021, 01:15:33 AM
I gotta say, looking at some of this stuff at TBP...

I'm fucking disgusted.

Not so much at the mods, although they are obviously petty little people.  And, this is what happens when you give some people power.  But the thing that really gets my goat is why don't people just leave, en masse.   Then the little mods would have no one to lord their little rules over.   

Just goes to show, most people are sheep... unfortunately...
 
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Wrath of God on September 29, 2021, 08:31:00 AM
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Wokeness, loserness, and typical hive mentality you’ll find on Reddit. Same perps from geek in some occasions. If you defy their logic then you get the ban hammer. That dude from zweihander is there too, giving “advice” to beginners, forgot his name.

Daniel D. Fox was banned from RPGPub quite a long time ago for harassing other board members in priv messages.
I must say from my lecture of Pub it's seems to quite clearly hold up to it's premise of game only site, at least way better than any other boards I've read.

Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Anomalous on September 29, 2021, 10:08:43 AM
Since the wokelist was such a resounding success can we make a new list of woke idiot moderators so we can instaban them if they join any of our platforms?

Like, I am NOT giving any of them a pass for this petty behaviour.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: ThatChrisGuy on September 29, 2021, 10:30:25 AM
Since the wokelist was such a resounding success can we make a new list of woke idiot moderators so we can instaban them if they join any of our platforms?

Like, I am NOT giving any of them a pass for this petty behaviour.

No need, they'll behave in such an obnoxious manner that they'll be banned organically within a few posts.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ghostmaker on September 29, 2021, 10:55:22 AM
It's a lot trickier to track such bad actors preemptively. Unless they have a very characteristic posting style (Matt Swain here was a good example), chances are good they'll change their handles.

Then they work to slither into positions of power. It wouldn't work here, since the only positions here are held by Brett and Pundit. But that's usually what happens.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Anomalous on September 29, 2021, 12:18:33 PM
I dunno, we put them on the green list of "tolerant moderators" and they'll fall over themselves to correct the listing.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Trond on September 29, 2021, 01:26:17 PM
The mistake is not to include woke people in forums or games. The mistake comes when people take them too seriously and let them run things. Time and again, I've seen people basically go "oh you seem to care so much about all these various groups of people, so I'll let you organize this place".
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ghostmaker on October 01, 2021, 11:48:31 AM
Here come the mods again, spamming out their bans like they're paid for it.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/carden_gixoth-receives-a-%F0%9F%92%80-permanent-ban-rule-0-bad-fit-for-the-forums.887582/

Not really sure what to make of this one. I cannot even swear that this isn't a burner account. I'm just bemused as to how this is so 'offensive' the mods decided to hide it behind a spoiler block. Other than 'yeah, there's good and evil in D&D, deal with it'.

Meanwhile, Avaia managed to rack up a double on threadbans.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/avaia-receives-a-%F0%9F%94%B4-warning-and-threadban.887575/
https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/avaia-receives-a-%F0%9F%94%B4-warning-and-threadban.887580/

Dawgstar, you are a monumental bundle of sticks and are rapidly approaching Tanka levels of asshole. But it's well established that only the mods get to snark at posters; posters are not allowed to snark or be funny (or even TRY to be funny) on TBP.

Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: rytrasmi on October 01, 2021, 12:23:09 PM
What a shitshow that place is.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Shasarak on October 01, 2021, 05:01:39 PM
Here come the mods again, spamming out their bans like they're paid for it.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/carden_gixoth-receives-a-%F0%9F%92%80-permanent-ban-rule-0-bad-fit-for-the-forums.887582/

Not really sure what to make of this one. I cannot even swear that this isn't a burner account. I'm just bemused as to how this is so 'offensive' the mods decided to hide it behind a spoiler block. Other than 'yeah, there's good and evil in D&D, deal with it'.

This is so good, saving here for awesomeness

Quote from: Carden_Gixoth
Sorry to necro this thread 8 and some odd years later, but my gods. Never have I heard such drivel as came from OP's post.

The only thing "Christian" about D&D is that there is a Heaven (The 7 Mountain Heavens of Mt. Celestia) and a Hell (The Nine Hells). But, that's not a Christianity only thing. Jewdiasm, Islam, hells, even Buddhism has a Heaven and Hell.

I guess you can consider Ao God/Jesus, and Asmodeus Satan, but that's really, really stretching it. And you'd have to admit that Ao being "God" and Asmodeus being "Satan" also fits Jewish, and Islamic beliefs. It's not just Christianity that does this.

Further more, not only does Alignment mean eff all in 5e (my examples are the Detect Evil and Good, and Protection from Evil and Good spells. They don't Detect/Protect from an alignment, they do so for specific creature types. Using Detect Evil and Good, RAW, will not tell you if the sketchy Baron is Evil or not.), but in D&D morality is objective, as it is in Christianity, sure. But it's also objective in all modern religions. This started with the Jews, as the ancient Gods... Well, let's look at them.

Norse Myth is "Might is Right". The strong decide what is the objectively good thing, the weak die, or deal with it.

Greek/Roman myth can be summed up as "The Gods are flawed like us, and we suffer for it because the Gods are fickle".

Objective "this is good, this is evil, no matter if you're a king or a slave" morality started with the Jews.

So, you're wrong on it being a "Christian thing", OP.

Secondly, the Gods are either Evil or Good. Shar is Evil, Pelor is Good. Etc. Some are neutral, embodying aspects like Law, which can be both good or evil, depending. Having a "Slavery is ok here" law, I think we would all agree is objectively amoral. Evil. But, it's a Law. Disregarding that Law, in game, or IRL is a Chaotic Good action.

Evil, in D&D is Unholy. All demons, devil's, other assorted Fiends, the Devil Lord's of the Nine Hells, Demon Lord's of the Abyss, and Evil Gods (Asmodeus, Shar, Lolth, Myrkul, Jergal, etc.) are Unholy powers.

Good Deities (Pelor, Bahamut, Lathander, Paladine, Sahanine Moonbow, Corellon Larethian, etc), Angels and other assorted Celestials are Holy Powers.

There are Neutral (on the Good-Evil axis) Gods like Hoar, Helm, Primus, Torm and Tyr (I think Tyr is Neutral. Might be wrong on that. Correct me if so). These deities stand for a concept that can't be put into Good or Evil.

Neutral Clerics (in 3.5e) of Neutral Gods can choose to channel Holy or Unholy powers depending on their choice, and interpretation Of their Gods' teachings.

I'm sorry "demons bad, angels good" and "murder bad" doesn't sit right with you, OP, but too bad.

Slavery, rape, murder, and theft are objectively evil things.

There are Gods that venerate one or more of these. There are races, and subsets of races, that venerate these things. Kobolds, Drow, Mountain Orcs for instance.

Bad thing in D&D = Evil

Good thing in D&D = Good.

Period. Don't like it? Run your table how you want, or just don't play. Your choice on which you use. But do not presume to force your ill-conceived, flawed, and frankly misinformed bullshit on the rest of us.


All of that being said, I genuinely do not hold any I'll will toward OP, just minor annoyance.

Once more, mods/admins, I apologize for necro-ing this long dead thread, I simply could not let such blantanly incorrect information sit and do nothing to attempt to rectify it. I'll gladly take whatever strike/warning I get. All I ask is this post not be removed.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ratman_tf on October 01, 2021, 08:49:35 PM
Here come the mods again, spamming out their bans like they're paid for it.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/carden_gixoth-receives-a-%F0%9F%92%80-permanent-ban-rule-0-bad-fit-for-the-forums.887582/

Not really sure what to make of this one. I cannot even swear that this isn't a burner account. I'm just bemused as to how this is so 'offensive' the mods decided to hide it behind a spoiler block. Other than 'yeah, there's good and evil in D&D, deal with it'.

This is so good, saving here for awesomeness

Quote from: Carden_Gixoth
Sorry to necro this thread 8 and some odd years later, but my gods. Never have I heard such drivel as came from OP's post.

The only thing "Christian" about D&D is that there is a Heaven (The 7 Mountain Heavens of Mt. Celestia) and a Hell (The Nine Hells). But, that's not a Christianity only thing. Jewdiasm, Islam, hells, even Buddhism has a Heaven and Hell.

I guess you can consider Ao God/Jesus, and Asmodeus Satan, but that's really, really stretching it. And you'd have to admit that Ao being "God" and Asmodeus being "Satan" also fits Jewish, and Islamic beliefs. It's not just Christianity that does this.

Further more, not only does Alignment mean eff all in 5e (my examples are the Detect Evil and Good, and Protection from Evil and Good spells. They don't Detect/Protect from an alignment, they do so for specific creature types. Using Detect Evil and Good, RAW, will not tell you if the sketchy Baron is Evil or not.), but in D&D morality is objective, as it is in Christianity, sure. But it's also objective in all modern religions. This started with the Jews, as the ancient Gods... Well, let's look at them.

Norse Myth is "Might is Right". The strong decide what is the objectively good thing, the weak die, or deal with it.

Greek/Roman myth can be summed up as "The Gods are flawed like us, and we suffer for it because the Gods are fickle".

Objective "this is good, this is evil, no matter if you're a king or a slave" morality started with the Jews.

So, you're wrong on it being a "Christian thing", OP.

Secondly, the Gods are either Evil or Good. Shar is Evil, Pelor is Good. Etc. Some are neutral, embodying aspects like Law, which can be both good or evil, depending. Having a "Slavery is ok here" law, I think we would all agree is objectively amoral. Evil. But, it's a Law. Disregarding that Law, in game, or IRL is a Chaotic Good action.

Evil, in D&D is Unholy. All demons, devil's, other assorted Fiends, the Devil Lord's of the Nine Hells, Demon Lord's of the Abyss, and Evil Gods (Asmodeus, Shar, Lolth, Myrkul, Jergal, etc.) are Unholy powers.

Good Deities (Pelor, Bahamut, Lathander, Paladine, Sahanine Moonbow, Corellon Larethian, etc), Angels and other assorted Celestials are Holy Powers.

There are Neutral (on the Good-Evil axis) Gods like Hoar, Helm, Primus, Torm and Tyr (I think Tyr is Neutral. Might be wrong on that. Correct me if so). These deities stand for a concept that can't be put into Good or Evil.

Neutral Clerics (in 3.5e) of Neutral Gods can choose to channel Holy or Unholy powers depending on their choice, and interpretation Of their Gods' teachings.

I'm sorry "demons bad, angels good" and "murder bad" doesn't sit right with you, OP, but too bad.

Slavery, rape, murder, and theft are objectively evil things.

There are Gods that venerate one or more of these. There are races, and subsets of races, that venerate these things. Kobolds, Drow, Mountain Orcs for instance.

Bad thing in D&D = Evil

Good thing in D&D = Good.

Period. Don't like it? Run your table how you want, or just don't play. Your choice on which you use. But do not presume to force your ill-conceived, flawed, and frankly misinformed bullshit on the rest of us.


All of that being said, I genuinely do not hold any I'll will toward OP, just minor annoyance.

Once more, mods/admins, I apologize for necro-ing this long dead thread, I simply could not let such blantanly incorrect information sit and do nothing to attempt to rectify it. I'll gladly take whatever strike/warning I get. All I ask is this post not be removed.

50/50 odds the moderators nuke his post because he asked that it not be nuked.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Shasarak on October 01, 2021, 09:15:07 PM
50/50 odds the moderators nuke his post because he asked that it not be nuked.

I figured it was because he said that a Good thing in D&D = Good.

Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: soundchaser on October 01, 2021, 11:27:21 PM
The alignment segment would possibly warrant a ban from the relativists. If TBP moderators let something said like a claim “objectively true” on Good/Evil, such could undermine their will-to-power.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Reckall on October 02, 2021, 08:08:57 AM
I'm on the verge about this one. What was the need to necro an 8 years old thread? Just open a new one and say your piece.

I think that necroing a decade old thread would be basis for a warning even here, too, if you don't have a good reason to do it.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Shasarak on October 02, 2021, 04:59:20 PM
Is there something inherently wrong with necroing a thread?

I always viewed it as a legitimate school of magic.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Pat on October 02, 2021, 07:47:31 PM
Necromancy is inherently evil magic, if your name is Wreck-All, or you're big and purple.

For everyone else, it's just a discussion with people who might not be there anymore.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Kyle Aaron on October 02, 2021, 08:58:35 PM
One thing I always found amusing about Talmud was that it's basically guys who died 800 years ago arguing with guys who died 1,200 years ago.

I don't see why rpg discussions should be any different.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Reckall on October 02, 2021, 10:40:04 PM
Is there something inherently wrong with necroing a thread?

IMHO, you are bringing back a thread whose contents and context are mostly forgotten, with a lot of the original posters who, by now, moved on and can't even answer.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Pat on October 02, 2021, 10:49:19 PM
Is there something inherently wrong with necroing a thread?

IMHO, you are bringing back a thread whose contents and context are mostly forgotten, with a lot of the original posters who, by now, moved on and can't even answer.
So?
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Reckall on October 03, 2021, 07:03:44 AM
Is there something inherently wrong with necroing a thread?

IMHO, you are bringing back a thread whose contents and context are mostly forgotten, with a lot of the original posters who, by now, moved on and can't even answer.
So?

So, you are bringing back a thread whose contents and context are mostly forgotten, with a lot of the original posters who, by now, moved on and can't even answer.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Trond on October 03, 2021, 09:41:44 AM
What are you talking about? This thread is new.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Chris24601 on October 03, 2021, 11:30:40 AM
What are you talking about? This thread is new.
Indeed. The first post is July 27, 2021… so barely two months old.

I mean, provided it had a preservative effect, I’d prefer to use fresh bodies for zombies too, but to call anything this fresh necromancy feels disingenuous.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Eirikrautha on October 03, 2021, 11:43:28 AM
What are you talking about? This thread is new.
The person banned at TBP had necro'ed an 8 year-old thread for the post that got him banned.  So they're not talking about this thread.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: FelixGamingX1 on October 03, 2021, 01:36:25 PM
Oh my! Is that where all the little tyrants hangout these days?
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Reckall on October 03, 2021, 03:06:24 PM
What are you talking about? This thread is new.
The person banned at TBP had necro'ed an 8 year-old thread for the post that got him banned.  So they're not talking about this thread.

Exactly. And, for once, this is not something I disagree with. "Yo! Remember when my parents were still together, you were in high-school and Ted was about to become a single dad? I just thought that...!"

Get a grip and open a new thread, unless there is a real, discernible reason to still be living in 2013.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Pat on October 03, 2021, 04:01:01 PM
What are you talking about? This thread is new.
The person banned at TBP had necro'ed an 8 year-old thread for the post that got him banned.  So they're not talking about this thread.

Exactly. And, for once, this is not something I disagree with. "Yo! Remember when my parents were still together, you were in high-school and Ted was about to become a single dad? I just thought that...!"

Get a grip and open a new thread, unless there is a real, discernible reason to still be living in 2013.
I know, right? There should be a seven year moratorium on bringing up old things. Books written prior to 2014? Burn 'em!
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Shasarak on October 03, 2021, 04:21:32 PM
Is there something inherently wrong with necroing a thread?

IMHO, you are bringing back a thread whose contents and context are mostly forgotten, with a lot of the original posters who, by now, moved on and can't even answer.

I see you prefer to have multiple threads all talking about the same topic rather then having a single thread.

On the other hand I can not see any inherent value in respecting any particular posters ability to post or not.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Reckall on October 03, 2021, 05:14:50 PM
What are you talking about? This thread is new.
The person banned at TBP had necro'ed an 8 year-old thread for the post that got him banned.  So they're not talking about this thread.

Exactly. And, for once, this is not something I disagree with. "Yo! Remember when my parents were still together, you were in high-school and Ted was about to become a single dad? I just thought that...!"

Get a grip and open a new thread, unless there is a real, discernible reason to still be living in 2013.
I know, right? There should be a seven year moratorium on bringing up old things. Books written prior to 2014? Burn 'em!

A thread is not a book: it is something where many people interact, talking about things whose context could have been implicit at the time but not today, and when things had different values (how many debates about The Forge we see today?) It was something clear in the minds of the posters when it was still alive, but very possibly today you have to re-read everything to remember contents and context. Not to mention how many of the people posting on that thread can be no more around today.

If really a thread started during the XXIII Dynasty can become relevant again today just say so. "I stumbled into an old thread and I think that this part (insert here) is very relevant to the current debate because..." and then say your piece. Almost all forums I post in have rules against "necroing" - and for a reason.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Alathon on October 03, 2021, 07:05:17 PM
I know, right? There should be a seven year moratorium on bringing up old things. Books written prior to 2014? Burn 'em!

A thread is not a book: it is something where many people interact, talking about things whose context could have been implicit at the time but not today, and when things had different values (how many debates about The Forge we see today?) It was something clear in the minds of the posters when it was still alive, but very possibly today you have to re-read everything to remember contents and context. Not to mention how many of the people posting on that thread can be no more around today.

If really a thread started during the XXIII Dynasty can become relevant again today just say so. "I stumbled into an old thread and I think that this part (insert here) is very relevant to the current debate because..." and then say your piece. Almost all forums I post in have rules against "necroing" - and for a reason.

The question is whether their reasons are good.  On many forums it is strictly a matter of mass annoyance, of someone bringing back a story or RP or whatever that is long dead and getting a bunch of people hyped for nothing.  I find this to be a big fat 'whatever', I understand the annoyance but do not account it worthy of punishment.

For the matter of context, the thread itself should provide most of that, and the dates on the posts the rest.

For the matter of participants being long-gone, that is not a real problem.  If they are gone, what interest can they be said to have in the doings of a forum they have left?  I understand the concern, in the first moment when I consider someone talking shit about me on a forum I no longer participate on, I have an urge to either stand for what I said or at least acknowledge an error so I cannot be thought to still be in error today.  But, that's silly, the sensible thing is to let it go.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Pat on October 03, 2021, 07:52:35 PM
What are you talking about? This thread is new.
The person banned at TBP had necro'ed an 8 year-old thread for the post that got him banned.  So they're not talking about this thread.

Exactly. And, for once, this is not something I disagree with. "Yo! Remember when my parents were still together, you were in high-school and Ted was about to become a single dad? I just thought that...!"

Get a grip and open a new thread, unless there is a real, discernible reason to still be living in 2013.
I know, right? There should be a seven year moratorium on bringing up old things. Books written prior to 2014? Burn 'em!

A thread is not a book: it is something where many people interact, talking about things whose context could have been implicit at the time but not today, and when things had different values (how many debates about The Forge we see today?) It was something clear in the minds of the posters when it was still alive, but very possibly today you have to re-read everything to remember contents and context. Not to mention how many of the people posting on that thread can be no more around today.

If really a thread started during the XXIII Dynasty can become relevant again today just say so. "I stumbled into an old thread and I think that this part (insert here) is very relevant to the current debate because..." and then say your piece. Almost all forums I post in have rules against "necroing" - and for a reason.
Books are how we interact with people from thousands of years ago, who are "no more around today".

You're making an irrational and silly distinction.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: DocJones on October 03, 2021, 08:05:57 PM
I'm surprised that TBP doesn't delete old threads seeing as how everything posted over a year or two is probably not woke enough.
 
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: HappyDaze on October 03, 2021, 08:23:23 PM
I'm surprised that TBP doesn't delete old threads seeing as how everything posted over a year or two is probably not woke enough.
But they need the old stuff to dog up bans when the current sheep are too complianr.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ghostmaker on October 04, 2021, 08:08:42 AM
I'm surprised that TBP doesn't delete old threads seeing as how everything posted over a year or two is probably not woke enough.
They've picked off all the 'problematic' types anyways from those old posts. Now it'll be purity spiral cycles with a side of 'caught you posting nonwoke, now we warn/ban you!'.

I can't help but feel some sadness here. I've seen a number of interesting threads in Tabletop Open. But as soon as a mod rolls in throwing red text, it seems to knock the wind out of the sails of the posters.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Pat on October 04, 2021, 08:47:55 AM
I'm surprised that TBP doesn't delete old threads seeing as how everything posted over a year or two is probably not woke enough.
They've picked off all the 'problematic' types anyways from those old posts. Now it'll be purity spiral cycles with a side of 'caught you posting nonwoke, now we warn/ban you!'.

I can't help but feel some sadness here. I've seen a number of interesting threads in Tabletop Open. But as soon as a mod rolls in throwing red text, it seems to knock the wind out of the sails of the posters.
"Problematic" isn't a fixed line in the sand. It's an ever-rising tide, that will eventually engulf everything.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Reckall on October 04, 2021, 10:04:53 AM
What are you talking about? This thread is new.
The person banned at TBP had necro'ed an 8 year-old thread for the post that got him banned.  So they're not talking about this thread.

Exactly. And, for once, this is not something I disagree with. "Yo! Remember when my parents were still together, you were in high-school and Ted was about to become a single dad? I just thought that...!"

Get a grip and open a new thread, unless there is a real, discernible reason to still be living in 2013.
I know, right? There should be a seven year moratorium on bringing up old things. Books written prior to 2014? Burn 'em!

A thread is not a book: it is something where many people interact, talking about things whose context could have been implicit at the time but not today, and when things had different values (how many debates about The Forge we see today?) It was something clear in the minds of the posters when it was still alive, but very possibly today you have to re-read everything to remember contents and context. Not to mention how many of the people posting on that thread can be no more around today.

If really a thread started during the XXIII Dynasty can become relevant again today just say so. "I stumbled into an old thread and I think that this part (insert here) is very relevant to the current debate because..." and then say your piece. Almost all forums I post in have rules against "necroing" - and for a reason.
Books are how we interact with people from thousands of years ago, who are "no more around today".

Exactly. Books, not forum threads.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: FelixGamingX1 on October 04, 2021, 10:21:31 AM
What are you talking about? This thread is new.
The person banned at TBP had necro'ed an 8 year-old thread for the post that got him banned.  So they're not talking about this thread.

Exactly. And, for once, this is not something I disagree with. "Yo! Remember when my parents were still together, you were in high-school and Ted was about to become a single dad? I just thought that...!"

Get a grip and open a new thread, unless there is a real, discernible reason to still be living in 2013.
I know, right? There should be a seven year moratorium on bringing up old things. Books written prior to 2014? Burn 'em!

A thread is not a book: it is something where many people interact, talking about things whose context could have been implicit at the time but not today, and when things had different values (how many debates about The Forge we see today?) It was something clear in the minds of the posters when it was still alive, but very possibly today you have to re-read everything to remember contents and context. Not to mention how many of the people posting on that thread can be no more around today.

If really a thread started during the XXIII Dynasty can become relevant again today just say so. "I stumbled into an old thread and I think that this part (insert here) is very relevant to the current debate because..." and then say your piece. Almost all forums I post in have rules against "necroing" - and for a reason.
Books are how we interact with people from thousands of years ago, who are "no more around today".

Exactly. Books, not forum threads.

A man’s not dead while his name is still spoken.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Pat on October 04, 2021, 10:22:44 AM
What are you talking about? This thread is new.
The person banned at TBP had necro'ed an 8 year-old thread for the post that got him banned.  So they're not talking about this thread.

Exactly. And, for once, this is not something I disagree with. "Yo! Remember when my parents were still together, you were in high-school and Ted was about to become a single dad? I just thought that...!"

Get a grip and open a new thread, unless there is a real, discernible reason to still be living in 2013.
I know, right? There should be a seven year moratorium on bringing up old things. Books written prior to 2014? Burn 'em!

A thread is not a book: it is something where many people interact, talking about things whose context could have been implicit at the time but not today, and when things had different values (how many debates about The Forge we see today?) It was something clear in the minds of the posters when it was still alive, but very possibly today you have to re-read everything to remember contents and context. Not to mention how many of the people posting on that thread can be no more around today.

If really a thread started during the XXIII Dynasty can become relevant again today just say so. "I stumbled into an old thread and I think that this part (insert here) is very relevant to the current debate because..." and then say your piece. Almost all forums I post in have rules against "necroing" - and for a reason.
Books are how we interact with people from thousands of years ago, who are "no more around today".

Exactly. Books, not forum threads.
Try to explain how that makes a difference. Should be entertaining.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Reckall on October 04, 2021, 12:08:30 PM
What are you talking about? This thread is new.
The person banned at TBP had necro'ed an 8 year-old thread for the post that got him banned.  So they're not talking about this thread.

Exactly. And, for once, this is not something I disagree with. "Yo! Remember when my parents were still together, you were in high-school and Ted was about to become a single dad? I just thought that...!"

Get a grip and open a new thread, unless there is a real, discernible reason to still be living in 2013.
I know, right? There should be a seven year moratorium on bringing up old things. Books written prior to 2014? Burn 'em!

A thread is not a book: it is something where many people interact, talking about things whose context could have been implicit at the time but not today, and when things had different values (how many debates about The Forge we see today?) It was something clear in the minds of the posters when it was still alive, but very possibly today you have to re-read everything to remember contents and context. Not to mention how many of the people posting on that thread can be no more around today.

If really a thread started during the XXIII Dynasty can become relevant again today just say so. "I stumbled into an old thread and I think that this part (insert here) is very relevant to the current debate because..." and then say your piece. Almost all forums I post in have rules against "necroing" - and for a reason.
Books are how we interact with people from thousands of years ago, who are "no more around today".

Exactly. Books, not forum threads.
Try to explain how that makes a difference. Should be entertaining.

I can throw in for free the difference between an apple and a 2021 Audi A8 if you want. Interested?
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: HappyDaze on October 04, 2021, 12:20:18 PM
What are you talking about? This thread is new.
The person banned at TBP had necro'ed an 8 year-old thread for the post that got him banned.  So they're not talking about this thread.

Exactly. And, for once, this is not something I disagree with. "Yo! Remember when my parents were still together, you were in high-school and Ted was about to become a single dad? I just thought that...!"

Get a grip and open a new thread, unless there is a real, discernible reason to still be living in 2013.
I know, right? There should be a seven year moratorium on bringing up old things. Books written prior to 2014? Burn 'em!

A thread is not a book: it is something where many people interact, talking about things whose context could have been implicit at the time but not today, and when things had different values (how many debates about The Forge we see today?) It was something clear in the minds of the posters when it was still alive, but very possibly today you have to re-read everything to remember contents and context. Not to mention how many of the people posting on that thread can be no more around today.

If really a thread started during the XXIII Dynasty can become relevant again today just say so. "I stumbled into an old thread and I think that this part (insert here) is very relevant to the current debate because..." and then say your piece. Almost all forums I post in have rules against "necroing" - and for a reason.
Books are how we interact with people from thousands of years ago, who are "no more around today".

Exactly. Books, not forum threads.
Try to explain how that makes a difference. Should be entertaining.

I can throw in for free the difference between an apple and a 2021 Audi A8 if you want. Interested?
Are they both red?
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Reckall on October 04, 2021, 12:47:44 PM
What are you talking about? This thread is new.
The person banned at TBP had necro'ed an 8 year-old thread for the post that got him banned.  So they're not talking about this thread.

Exactly. And, for once, this is not something I disagree with. "Yo! Remember when my parents were still together, you were in high-school and Ted was about to become a single dad? I just thought that...!"

Get a grip and open a new thread, unless there is a real, discernible reason to still be living in 2013.
I know, right? There should be a seven year moratorium on bringing up old things. Books written prior to 2014? Burn 'em!

A thread is not a book: it is something where many people interact, talking about things whose context could have been implicit at the time but not today, and when things had different values (how many debates about The Forge we see today?) It was something clear in the minds of the posters when it was still alive, but very possibly today you have to re-read everything to remember contents and context. Not to mention how many of the people posting on that thread can be no more around today.

If really a thread started during the XXIII Dynasty can become relevant again today just say so. "I stumbled into an old thread and I think that this part (insert here) is very relevant to the current debate because..." and then say your piece. Almost all forums I post in have rules against "necroing" - and for a reason.
Books are how we interact with people from thousands of years ago, who are "no more around today".

Exactly. Books, not forum threads.
Try to explain how that makes a difference. Should be entertaining.

I can throw in for free the difference between an apple and a 2021 Audi A8 if you want. Interested?
Are they both red?

No.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: HappyDaze on October 04, 2021, 12:49:05 PM
What are you talking about? This thread is new.
The person banned at TBP had necro'ed an 8 year-old thread for the post that got him banned.  So they're not talking about this thread.

Exactly. And, for once, this is not something I disagree with. "Yo! Remember when my parents were still together, you were in high-school and Ted was about to become a single dad? I just thought that...!"

Get a grip and open a new thread, unless there is a real, discernible reason to still be living in 2013.
I know, right? There should be a seven year moratorium on bringing up old things. Books written prior to 2014? Burn 'em!

A thread is not a book: it is something where many people interact, talking about things whose context could have been implicit at the time but not today, and when things had different values (how many debates about The Forge we see today?) It was something clear in the minds of the posters when it was still alive, but very possibly today you have to re-read everything to remember contents and context. Not to mention how many of the people posting on that thread can be no more around today.

If really a thread started during the XXIII Dynasty can become relevant again today just say so. "I stumbled into an old thread and I think that this part (insert here) is very relevant to the current debate because..." and then say your piece. Almost all forums I post in have rules against "necroing" - and for a reason.
Books are how we interact with people from thousands of years ago, who are "no more around today".

Exactly. Books, not forum threads.
Try to explain how that makes a difference. Should be entertaining.

I can throw in for free the difference between an apple and a 2021 Audi A8 if you want. Interested?
Are they both red?

No.
Much less interested now. Let me know when you get the red ones.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Shasarak on October 04, 2021, 04:30:24 PM
Instead of banning thread resurrection they should ban excessive quote threads.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Pat on October 04, 2021, 05:09:40 PM
What are you talking about? This thread is new.
The person banned at TBP had necro'ed an 8 year-old thread for the post that got him banned.  So they're not talking about this thread.

Exactly. And, for once, this is not something I disagree with. "Yo! Remember when my parents were still together, you were in high-school and Ted was about to become a single dad? I just thought that...!"

Get a grip and open a new thread, unless there is a real, discernible reason to still be living in 2013.
I know, right? There should be a seven year moratorium on bringing up old things. Books written prior to 2014? Burn 'em!

A thread is not a book: it is something where many people interact, talking about things whose context could have been implicit at the time but not today, and when things had different values (how many debates about The Forge we see today?) It was something clear in the minds of the posters when it was still alive, but very possibly today you have to re-read everything to remember contents and context. Not to mention how many of the people posting on that thread can be no more around today.

If really a thread started during the XXIII Dynasty can become relevant again today just say so. "I stumbled into an old thread and I think that this part (insert here) is very relevant to the current debate because..." and then say your piece. Almost all forums I post in have rules against "necroing" - and for a reason.
Books are how we interact with people from thousands of years ago, who are "no more around today".

Exactly. Books, not forum threads.
Try to explain how that makes a difference. Should be entertaining.

I can throw in for free the difference between an apple and a 2021 Audi A8 if you want. Interested?
Do they different in significant ways that are relevant to this conversation, or is it as spurious your claim that thread necromancy is some horrible crime?
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Reckall on October 04, 2021, 05:54:23 PM
I can throw in for free the difference between an apple and a 2021 Audi A8 if you want. Interested?
Do they different in significant ways that are relevant to this conversation, or is it as spurious your claim that thread necromancy is some horrible crime?
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If I were you I would check my wires - because by now they are irremediably crossed. 😂
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: DocJones on October 04, 2021, 09:08:25 PM
On the positive side, at least the quoting format on this forum seems to discourage top posting
which is probably more annoying.  8)
Instead of banning thread resurrection they should ban excessive quote threads.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Pat on October 04, 2021, 10:21:21 PM
Quote from: Reckall
I can throw in for free the difference between an apple and a 2021 Audi A8 if you want. Interested?
Do they different in significant ways that are relevant to this conversation, or is it as spurious your claim that thread necromancy is some horrible crime?

If I were you I would check my wires - because by now they are irremediably crossed. 😂
You should ban all those wires from 2013.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Shasarak on October 04, 2021, 10:21:57 PM
Could be worse it could be top posting excessive quote thread

On the positive side, at least the quoting format on this forum seems to discourage top posting
which is probably more annoying.  8)
Instead of banning thread resurrection they should ban excessive quote threads.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Pat on October 04, 2021, 10:27:28 PM
You're triggering my email PTSD.
Could be worse it could be top posting excessive quote thread

On the positive side, at least the quoting format on this forum seems to discourage top posting
which is probably more annoying.  8)
Instead of banning thread resurrection they should ban excessive quote threads.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: DM_Curt on October 04, 2021, 11:22:43 PM
Once the quote pyramid is tall enough, we can make a sacrifice to the Sun God, right?
You're triggering my email PTSD.
Could be worse it could be top posting excessive quote thread

On the positive side, at least the quoting format on this forum seems to discourage top posting
which is probably more annoying.  8)
Instead of banning thread resurrection they should ban excessive quote threads.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Shasarak on October 04, 2021, 11:34:19 PM
What have I done?  I am just making it worse!

Once the quote pyramid is tall enough, we can make a sacrifice to the Sun God, right?
You're triggering my email PTSD.
Could be worse it could be top posting excessive quote thread

On the positive side, at least the quoting format on this forum seems to discourage top posting
which is probably more annoying.  8)
Instead of banning thread resurrection they should ban excessive quote threads.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: DM_Curt on October 05, 2021, 12:32:08 AM
We can also bury a Pharoah underneath it. Next poster volunteers....
What have I done?  I am just making it worse!

Once the quote pyramid is tall enough, we can make a sacrifice to the Sun God, right?
You're triggering my email PTSD.
Could be worse it could be top posting excessive quote thread

On the positive side, at least the quoting format on this forum seems to discourage top posting
which is probably more annoying.  8)
Instead of banning thread resurrection they should ban excessive quote threads.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: KingCheops on October 05, 2021, 10:47:02 AM
We can also bury a Pharoah underneath it. Next poster volunteers....
What have I done?  I am just making it worse!

Once the quote pyramid is tall enough, we can make a sacrifice to the Sun God, right?
You're triggering my email PTSD.
Could be worse it could be top posting excessive quote thread

On the positive side, at least the quoting format on this forum seems to discourage top posting
which is probably more annoying.  8)
Instead of banning thread resurrection they should ban excessive quote threads.

I feel this is appropriate on multiple levels.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ghostmaker on October 05, 2021, 11:03:25 AM
You people and your fancy-pants pyramid building...

Jokes aside, huh. TBP hasn't banned anyone since that one guy on Friday. Not even warnings.

I stand by my assertion: they've driven off or banned everyone who might espouse a differing opinion. Now it's on to the inevitable struggle sessions and purity spirals, though it'll probably take longer. Still, proof is in the pudding: has anyone seen them break 250 registered users online?

'Cause I sure haven't.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Wntrlnd on October 05, 2021, 01:20:51 PM
You people and your fancy-pants pyramid building...

Jokes aside, huh. TBP hasn't banned anyone since that one guy on Friday. Not even warnings.

I stand by my assertion: they've driven off or banned everyone who might espouse a differing opinion. Now it's on to the inevitable struggle sessions and purity spirals, though it'll probably take longer. Still, proof is in the pudding: has anyone seen them break 250 registered users online?

'Cause I sure haven't.

They did hit 250 this friday or saturday when it was late afternoon in the US and late evening in Europe. It needs both continents users during their peak hours to barely break it.

edit: just checked. 259 exactly this minute of posting this.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ghostmaker on October 06, 2021, 09:07:22 AM
Welcome back to another edition of 'fantasy racism is totes real racism, you guise!'

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/constantine-xi-receives-a-%F0%9F%94%B4-warning-thread-ban.887787/

Constantine is absolutely right, of course. But you can't SAY that because (a) it might affect WotC's bottom line if people realize they're shit, and (b) it makes someone have the sad feels.

How did the line go? We're going to wind up playing grey blobs, wandering around with other grey blobs, and not actually fighting anything?

I'm so, so sorely tempted to slap together a burner account, and start arguing for better treatment of otyughs in game settings there.

EDIT: Holy shit.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/ikoma-receives-a-%F0%9F%9A%AB-thirty-day-ban.887794/

How Ikoma didn't eat a full on permaban is beyond me. Q99 (and presumably the other mods) completely missed the point they were making -- that promoting sippenhaft, blood guilt, is a very, very bad idea. And that no matter how you slice it, trying to push reparations for people who are LONG dead (they trot out some folks of a more recent vintage -- but the argument about reparations is about slavery, not segregation) is stupid and asking for trouble.

If I was Ikoma, I wouldn't go back. That snotty 'educate yourself' really is the cherry on the shit sundae.

But hey, TBP mods support ancestral guilt confirmed.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Fergurg on October 06, 2021, 11:37:03 AM
Welcome back to another edition of 'fantasy racism is totes real racism, you guise!'

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/constantine-xi-receives-a-%F0%9F%94%B4-warning-thread-ban.887787/

Constantine is absolutely right, of course. But you can't SAY that because (a) it might affect WotC's bottom line if people realize they're shit, and (b) it makes someone have the sad feels.

How did the line go? We're going to wind up playing grey blobs, wandering around with other grey blobs, and not actually fighting anything?

I'm so, so sorely tempted to slap together a burner account, and start arguing for better treatment of otyughs in game settings there.

You could, but the True Believers there have already gone past that to demand that demons and devils shouldn’t be usually evil.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ghostmaker on October 06, 2021, 11:39:49 AM
Welcome back to another edition of 'fantasy racism is totes real racism, you guise!'

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/constantine-xi-receives-a-%F0%9F%94%B4-warning-thread-ban.887787/

Constantine is absolutely right, of course. But you can't SAY that because (a) it might affect WotC's bottom line if people realize they're shit, and (b) it makes someone have the sad feels.

How did the line go? We're going to wind up playing grey blobs, wandering around with other grey blobs, and not actually fighting anything?

I'm so, so sorely tempted to slap together a burner account, and start arguing for better treatment of otyughs in game settings there.

You could, but the True Believers there have already gone past that to demand that demons and devils shouldn’t be usually evil.
Quite true.

Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: wmarshal on October 06, 2021, 01:03:42 PM
They handed out 6 infractions in less than 2.5 hours. I think the mods must have had a meeting/pep rally early this morning before going forth to find posters to punish.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Armchair Gamer on October 06, 2021, 03:32:35 PM

  They banned Deepthaw under Rule 0 without even linking to the offending post ... probably because it hit too close to home. (https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/pathfinder-2e-kingmaker-and-colonialism-imperialism.886867/post-24078229)
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ghostmaker on October 06, 2021, 03:36:42 PM

  They banned Deepthaw under Rule 0 without even linking to the offending post ... probably because it hit too close to home. (https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/pathfinder-2e-kingmaker-and-colonialism-imperialism.886867/post-24078229)
Wow. Damn.

For those who don't care to visit TBP, I reproduce his finale:
Quote
There is no forum in which this kind of moderation is acceptable.

The forum rules appear to be:
You will agree with us on a litany of political-social issues.
If you do not agree sufficiently, you will have ill motives ascribed to you.
You will receive disciplinary action for these ill motives and it is against the rules of the forum to reply to these actions in public, even though the disciplinary actions themselves are public.
The beliefs of the moderation team are sacrosanct and they will win all discussions by default by being able to literally have the last word on anything they wish, and they will do this frequently.
Anyone who finds this to be an abusive or dishonest way to interact with users is morally inferior and probably a racist and not a good fit.
The person never said "There's a wrong here, what are you gonna do? Genocide? No? Then do nothing!" they pointed out why addressing the wrongs of colonialism in the real world has proven so challenging.

Looking through past infraction reports, it has become abundantly clear that putting words in the mouths of users, claiming a stock fallacy that offends a series of rules increasingly more concerned with thought-policing people's beliefs than running a forum for RPGs, and then punishing them for the words you put in their mouth - and not allowing them to defend themselves publicly is simply standard operating procedure for this place. It's one long, escalating purity test.

This raises a number of red flags, and I'm afraid I can no longer visit this place under my personal rule 0 - you're clearly not a good fit for me. I'm giving RPG.net a lifetime ban for ceaseless thought-policing and virtue signaling through armband activism. It's disappointing because I am actually very heavily aligned with the politics of this place. It's the intellectually dishonest way in which it is wielded as a weapon to stifle discussion that bothers me so much.

I'll be back in the real world where I work with actual marginalized and disadvantaged peoples of diverse backgrounds on a daily basis, in person no less, while reeling from the actual damage places like this cause by painting progressive activism in the very worst possible light.

Sincerely, an individual who volunteered twice for Bernie Sanders' campaigns, got physically hauled out of a Trump rally by secret service, is a vocal advocate for diversity-based hiring practices with their employer, has attended multiple LGBTQ+ support rallies (in person), physically visited trans friends and to show support after hate crimes were committed against them, loudly argued against discriminatory legislation before city council, and serves with local advocacy groups for child and adults with special needs but still isn't fucking woke enough for the tin-pot dictators running this place into the ground.

Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Thorn Drumheller on October 06, 2021, 04:10:45 PM

  They banned Deepthaw under Rule 0 without even linking to the offending post ... probably because it hit too close to home. (https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/pathfinder-2e-kingmaker-and-colonialism-imperialism.886867/post-24078229)

Holy shitake mushroom. I am impressed with Deepthaw. Wow
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Shasarak on October 06, 2021, 04:12:02 PM
Wow even the crazies are starting to see the craziness.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Wrath of God on October 06, 2021, 04:14:40 PM
Well TBH RPG.net admins behaviour definitely can be considered abusive and authoritarian to the level that should ESPECIALLY bother honest leftists.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Horace on October 06, 2021, 04:22:05 PM
They banned Deepthaw under Rule 0 without even linking to the offending post ... probably because it hit too close to home. (https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/pathfinder-2e-kingmaker-and-colonialism-imperialism.886867/post-24078229)
Ouch! That's gonna leave a mark. I wonder if the author will come to realize that a large portion of the political "right" is made up of classical liberals like him who weren't pure enough for today's zealotry. Maybe being un-personed like this will be the wake-up call he needs.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: KingCheops on October 06, 2021, 05:09:19 PM
Why do all these woketards always have so much drama and bad stuff happen to them?
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Shasarak on October 06, 2021, 05:53:25 PM
Why do all these woketards always have so much drama and bad stuff happen to them?

I believe that is a feature.  If you accumulate enough oppression points then you get to go to heaven.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: wmarshal on October 06, 2021, 05:58:30 PM
It looks like they got all jazzed up to hand out infractions this morning, and in their zealotry they got so out of hand that Deep Thaw basically did a self ban. The mods couldn’t reference the offending post because getting called out like that is “just…so…much…emotional…labor” to deal with. It wouldn’t surprise me if they delete the original as well.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: DM_Curt on October 06, 2021, 06:10:47 PM
"Rule 0" is "Because I felt like it, Fuck You! Lawl!".
Change my mind.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: ChrisFox on October 06, 2021, 06:18:40 PM

  They banned Deepthaw under Rule 0 without even linking to the offending post ... probably because it hit too close to home. (https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/pathfinder-2e-kingmaker-and-colonialism-imperialism.886867/post-24078229)

That might be the most epic, accurate, takedown I have ever read. Legendary. He invoked his own rule 0.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: DM_Curt on October 06, 2021, 07:18:26 PM

  They banned Deepthaw under Rule 0 without even linking to the offending post ... probably because it hit too close to home. (https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/pathfinder-2e-kingmaker-and-colonialism-imperialism.886867/post-24078229)

That might be the most epic, accurate, takedown I have ever read. Legendary. He invoked his own rule 0.
And of course, "You can't quit! No one quits! You're fired! You're banned! Get out of my office!". 🤣🤣

I'll bet we're all preemptively permabanned for posting here, as one of them seethes behind zhier screen. But I'd have to make an account over there to know, and it's not worth it.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Willmark on October 06, 2021, 09:15:07 PM
That might be the most epic middle finger I've ever seen lobbed at the mods of TBP. Wow.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ratman_tf on October 06, 2021, 11:57:39 PM
Quote
There is no forum in which this kind of moderation is acceptable.

The forum rules appear to be:
You will agree with us on a litany of political-social issues.
If you do not agree sufficiently, you will have ill motives ascribed to you.
You will receive disciplinary action for these ill motives and it is against the rules of the forum to reply to these actions in public, even though the disciplinary actions themselves are public.
The beliefs of the moderation team are sacrosanct and they will win all discussions by default by being able to literally have the last word on anything they wish, and they will do this frequently.
Anyone who finds this to be an abusive or dishonest way to interact with users is morally inferior and probably a racist and not a good fit.
The person never said "There's a wrong here, what are you gonna do? Genocide? No? Then do nothing!" they pointed out why addressing the wrongs of colonialism in the real world has proven so challenging.

Looking through past infraction reports, it has become abundantly clear that putting words in the mouths of users, claiming a stock fallacy that offends a series of rules increasingly more concerned with thought-policing people's beliefs than running a forum for RPGs, and then punishing them for the words you put in their mouth - and not allowing them to defend themselves publicly is simply standard operating procedure for this place. It's one long, escalating purity test.

This raises a number of red flags, and I'm afraid I can no longer visit this place under my personal rule 0 - you're clearly not a good fit for me. I'm giving RPG.net a lifetime ban for ceaseless thought-policing and virtue signaling through armband activism. It's disappointing because I am actually very heavily aligned with the politics of this place. It's the intellectually dishonest way in which it is wielded as a weapon to stifle discussion that bothers me so much.

I'll be back in the real world where I work with actual marginalized and disadvantaged peoples of diverse backgrounds on a daily basis, in person no less, while reeling from the actual damage places like this cause by painting progressive activism in the very worst possible light.

Sincerely, an individual who volunteered twice for Bernie Sanders' campaigns, got physically hauled out of a Trump rally by secret service, is a vocal advocate for diversity-based hiring practices with their employer, has attended multiple LGBTQ+ support rallies (in person), physically visited trans friends and to show support after hate crimes were committed against them, loudly argued against discriminatory legislation before city council, and serves with local advocacy groups for child and adults with special needs but still isn't fucking woke enough for the tin-pot dictators running this place into the ground.

Good for him. I detest how regressives parade their "concern" for native americans instead of actually putting forth much effort to actually help them out as human beings.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Kiero on October 07, 2021, 06:37:05 AM
Why do all these woketards always have so much drama and bad stuff happen to them?

Mental illness. They're uniformly dysfunctional, broken people, so unsurprisingly have dysfunctional, broken lives.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Alathon on October 07, 2021, 01:56:11 PM
Why do all these woketards always have so much drama and bad stuff happen to them?

Mental illness. They're uniformly dysfunctional, broken people, so unsurprisingly have dysfunctional, broken lives.
I'll add that because they are dysfunctional they drive healthy and good-hearted people out of their lives, surrounding themselves with similarly dysfunctional people who quite naturally spread the misery.  Because narcissism is almost always one of their co-morbidities, they come to think the whole world is like their life and project their own wretchedness onto people demonstrating a healthy life.

Because they are surrounded by sodomites, every openly Christian preacher or politician must be using glory holes.
Because they are surrounded by grifters, every capitalist who demonstrates work ethic must be ripping someone off.
Because they live in a progressive stack, straight white males must be out to get them.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: David Johansen on October 07, 2021, 02:25:19 PM
This guy won't last long :D

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/is-this-place-for-real.887848/
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: wmarshal on October 07, 2021, 02:35:24 PM
This guy won't last long :D

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/is-this-place-for-real.887848/
Nope. Already locked. I’m sure the mods are writing their writ of this guy’s excommunication from humanity right now.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: rytrasmi on October 07, 2021, 02:47:50 PM
Brave KingAragorn, ye shall be mourned! Alas, after a few drinks we shall question thine wisdom in committing to a full frontal assault of TBP Beast.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: wmarshal on October 07, 2021, 03:19:51 PM
I think many of the users at TBP avoid looking at the Infractions board or any red text they come across. Sort of like the person who thinks they’re safe as long as you don’t look at the monster. When they stumble into a mod’s focus they’re honestly surprised.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ghostmaker on October 07, 2021, 03:30:27 PM
I think many of the users at TBP avoid looking at the Infractions board or any red text they come across. Sort of like the person who thinks they’re safe as long as you don’t look at the monster. When they stumble into a mod’s focus they’re honestly surprised.
I can't help but wonder if you're on to something here, but it doesn't say anything good about TBP.

Because that sentiment is usually seen among people living in a totalitarian police state.

My guess is that they'll nail KingAragorn with a rule 0 permaban and call it a day. Because trying to justify their idiocy in the face of his rebuttal -- which, in my opinion, is damned accurate -- will be too much for them to deal with.

If I'm going to fault KingAragorn, it's that he's been there since 2019 and should be able to read the room and realize the site is run by people who are batshit fucking bonkers. Dude, why bother?
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Horace on October 07, 2021, 03:36:22 PM
I think many of the users at TBP avoid looking at the Infractions board or any red text they come across. Sort of like the person who thinks they’re safe as long as you don’t look at the monster. When they stumble into a mod’s focus they’re honestly surprised.
Yep. The useful idiots are always surprised when the revolutionaries come for them. So many of them shout in disbelief, "But I'm on your side! I voted for Obama twice! I support LGBTQ! You can't do this to me!" as they're marched to the proverbial guillotine. If they had spent a little more time studying the French, Russian, and Cultural Revolutions instead of the Nazi boogeyman, they might have seen it coming.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: GriswaldTerrastone on October 07, 2021, 04:32:12 PM
The scary part for someone my age, who has seen this develop over decades, is wondering where this sort of thing will go next.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Reckall on October 07, 2021, 04:53:45 PM
This guy won't last long :D

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/is-this-place-for-real.887848/
Nope. Already locked. I’m sure the mods are writing their writ of this guy’s excommunication from humanity right now.

He dared to point out that they called a Native American "racist". He is already dead.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Alathon on October 07, 2021, 05:11:20 PM
The scary part for someone my age, who has seen this develop over decades, is wondering where this sort of thing will go next.
Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn wrote some good books about that.  He got to see where it went last time, up close and personal.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: wmarshal on October 07, 2021, 05:26:27 PM
This guy won't last long :D

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/is-this-place-for-real.887848/
Nope. Already locked. I’m sure the mods are writing their writ of this guy’s excommunication from humanity right now.

He dared to point out that they called a Native American "racist". He is already dead.
I didn’t catch that part. That probably explains why they haven’t officially responded yet. They’re probably looking for a Native American mod to step in, and explain to KingAragorn his internalized racism. They have to avoid the scenario of having a white person explain to the Native American how he is oppressed by the ‘orcs are bad guys’ narrative started by that edgelord Tolkien back in the 1930s. They’re trapped by their own stack. I’m pretty sure they have Native American mods, but maybe they’re currently unavailable, or those Native American mods are resisting the idea of being the token minority mod to reply to KingAragorn.

Either that, or they’re trying to dox him in the hopes of finding out that he’s not a “true” Native American.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Rob Necronomicon on October 07, 2021, 07:02:23 PM
This guy won't last long :D

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/is-this-place-for-real.887848/

He's my new hero. Fair play for him for standing up to TBPs fascist mods.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ghostmaker on October 07, 2021, 10:00:29 PM
And to my complete non-surprise:

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/kingaragorn-receives-a-💀-permanent-ban.887856/

People pointing out the mod policies are illogical, inconsistent, and stupid? SEND FOR THE BANHAMMER.

Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: FelixGamingX1 on October 07, 2021, 10:10:08 PM
Lol wtf is this shit? Literally little tyrant stuff. OMG!

It is clear that you will not be able to participate here in good faith and follow our rules.

You are permanently banned under Rule 0 for being a poor fit.


Now I’m curious… What’s a “good fit” for these looneys!?
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: rytrasmi on October 07, 2021, 10:10:46 PM
RIP, wise King.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: FelixGamingX1 on October 07, 2021, 10:15:54 PM
Wait! They use a gmail!? Lol
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: KingCheops on October 08, 2021, 11:06:31 AM
BIPOC:  white progressives are not your friends and allies!
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Crawford Tillinghast on October 08, 2021, 11:25:54 PM
Lol wtf is this shit? Literally little tyrant stuff. OMG!

It is clear that you will not be able to participate here in good faith and follow our rules.

You are permanently banned under Rule 0 for being a poor fit.


Now I’m curious… What’s a “good fit” for these looneys!?

There is none.  Seriously.  You are a good member...until you aren't.

You can compare TBP to 1984, (Complete with Two Minutes of Hate!), or China under the Cultural Revolution.  But I prefer thinking of the site as The Body of Landru from "Return of the Archons".

Everyone is going along smiling and happy, until someone does something "odd." Then "He is not of the Body?"  "HE IS NOT OF THE BODY!"
(Then they wind up here.)

"Umm...what is 'odd'?"
"We don't rule on hypotheticals!  You'll find out when you cross the line!"
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ratman_tf on October 09, 2021, 02:10:05 AM
Lol wtf is this shit? Literally little tyrant stuff. OMG!

It is clear that you will not be able to participate here in good faith and follow our rules.

You are permanently banned under Rule 0 for being a poor fit.


Now I’m curious… What’s a “good fit” for these looneys!?

There is none.  Seriously.  You are a good member...until you aren't.

You can compare TBP to 1984, (Complete with Two Minutes of Hate!), or China under the Cultural Revolution.  But I prefer thinking of the site as The Body of Landru from "Return of the Archons".

Everyone is going along smiling and happy, until someone does something "odd." Then "He is not of the Body?"  "HE IS NOT OF THE BODY!"
(Then they wind up here.)

"Umm...what is 'odd'?"
"We don't rule on hypotheticals!  You'll find out when you cross the line!"

(https://y.yarn.co/048e85d4-180c-4495-9d68-1a326b67b4ef_text.gif)
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ocule on October 10, 2021, 12:45:40 PM
Do they get revenue from traffic? I hate going to that site as is, not sure if we should use archives instead of direct links. I have nothing but disgust every time i visit there, and i especially hate that it comes up on searches for rpg content. Sometimes i've even used the search command to exclude tbp from results just so i dont click it by accident.

Id find it hilarious if they got spammed by porn bots
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ghostmaker on October 10, 2021, 03:32:19 PM
Lol wtf is this shit? Literally little tyrant stuff. OMG!

It is clear that you will not be able to participate here in good faith and follow our rules.

You are permanently banned under Rule 0 for being a poor fit.


Now I’m curious… What’s a “good fit” for these looneys!?

There is none.  Seriously.  You are a good member...until you aren't.

You can compare TBP to 1984, (Complete with Two Minutes of Hate!), or China under the Cultural Revolution.  But I prefer thinking of the site as The Body of Landru from "Return of the Archons".

Everyone is going along smiling and happy, until someone does something "odd." Then "He is not of the Body?"  "HE IS NOT OF THE BODY!"
(Then they wind up here.)

"Umm...what is 'odd'?"
"We don't rule on hypotheticals!  You'll find out when you cross the line!"
That's been something that peeves me off. It's one thing if they said 'OK look, we don't have a rule about doing this. We do now. Don't do this again.'

Instead, it's perpetual tiptoe-through-the-minefield if you want to post anything beyond the most bland, bloodless commentary.

I mean, holy shit, you can never plan for every eventuality. Sometimes, yeah, you have to patch in some rules.

 But I stand by an assertion I've made before: the mods get their jollies by swinging that banhammer. 

Do they get revenue from traffic? I hate going to that site as is, not sure if we should use archives instead of direct links. I have nothing but disgust every time i visit there, and i especially hate that it comes up on searches for rpg content. Sometimes i've even used the search command to exclude tbp from results just so i dont click it by accident.

Id find it hilarious if they got spammed by porn bots
Yes, they do get some revenue via ads (they've actually had some complaints on Trouble Tickets because the algorithm has thrown in some questionable ads at times).

However, they routinely rattle the cup for donations, which is why I speculated on how (or for that matter, WHAT) their owner company, Dyvers Hands, is doing.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Kiero on October 10, 2021, 03:34:07 PM
But I stand by an assertion I've made before: the mods get their jollies by swinging that banhammer. 

Course they do. It's a classic example of the jumped-up little nobody, who has no power in real life, suddenly given a tiny amount of authority in a virtual world where their actions have no comeback.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ratman_tf on October 10, 2021, 03:45:24 PM
That's been something that peeves me off. It's one thing if they said 'OK look, we don't have a rule about doing this. We do now. Don't do this again.'

Instead, it's perpetual tiptoe-through-the-minefield if you want to post anything beyond the most bland, bloodless commentary.

I mean, holy shit, you can never plan for every eventuality. Sometimes, yeah, you have to patch in some rules.

 But I stand by an assertion I've made before: the mods get their jollies by swinging that banhammer. 

I think part of the problem is they try to make a rule for everything, so they can point to the rules when they make a shit moderation decision.
How many rules here at rpgsite? Not very many, and if you use a modicum of common sense, and don't intentionally honk off Pundit, you'll be pretty much ok.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ghostmaker on October 10, 2021, 05:50:33 PM
That's been something that peeves me off. It's one thing if they said 'OK look, we don't have a rule about doing this. We do now. Don't do this again.'

Instead, it's perpetual tiptoe-through-the-minefield if you want to post anything beyond the most bland, bloodless commentary.

I mean, holy shit, you can never plan for every eventuality. Sometimes, yeah, you have to patch in some rules.

 But I stand by an assertion I've made before: the mods get their jollies by swinging that banhammer. 

I think part of the problem is they try to make a rule for everything, so they can point to the rules when they make a shit moderation decision.
How many rules here at rpgsite? Not very many, and if you use a modicum of common sense, and don't intentionally honk off Pundit, you'll be pretty much ok.
It's like chasing bugs in a program. Some bugs just show up despite your best efforts at QA. So you patch them.

Same difference here. Someone finds a new and unexpected way to mess something up, or be an ass. So you say, 'This is not cool' and go from there.

What TBP mods want is to have that vague threat hanging over someone's head. They're not content to say 'don't be a dick' and call it day. Look at their 'rules and policies' -- and they STILL have bullshit like 'the burden of intent is on the poster'.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Iron_Rain on October 11, 2021, 01:49:25 AM
BIPOC:  white progressives are not your friends and allies!

You filthy racist, it's BPOC and Indigenous now. /s

Not a joke, I was told this my boss to use in all official communications from now on.

Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ghostmaker on October 11, 2021, 08:30:32 AM
I swear, I think Dawgstar goes out of his way to interpret posts in such a way that he can swing his banhammer.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/rose-embolism-receives-a-%F0%9F%9A%AB-seven-day-ban-and-threadban.887959/

I don't see how this is worth a seven day plus threadban, plus Dawggystyle's sanctimonious sniveling. A bit harsh, perhaps, but if it's true, well...

In any case, Rose has racked up a number of infractions. If I were them I'd be getting ready to be purged. Although considering their attitude, I'm a bit surprised they haven't been sent to the cornfield sooner. Cuddly with a mod, perhaps?

Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Horace on October 11, 2021, 11:02:47 AM
I swear, I think Dawgstar goes out of his way to interpret posts in such a way that he can swing his banhammer.

...

I don't see how this is worth a seven day plus threadban, plus Dawggystyle's sanctimonious sniveling.
It's amusing how he seems to take exception to snarkiness (whether real or imagined) in the snarkiest way possible. If he ever applied his own standards to himself, he would have to ban himself for disrespect.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: oggsmash on October 11, 2021, 11:17:34 AM
That's been something that peeves me off. It's one thing if they said 'OK look, we don't have a rule about doing this. We do now. Don't do this again.'

Instead, it's perpetual tiptoe-through-the-minefield if you want to post anything beyond the most bland, bloodless commentary.

I mean, holy shit, you can never plan for every eventuality. Sometimes, yeah, you have to patch in some rules.

 But I stand by an assertion I've made before: the mods get their jollies by swinging that banhammer. 

I think part of the problem is they try to make a rule for everything, so they can point to the rules when they make a shit moderation decision.
How many rules here at rpgsite? Not very many, and if you use a modicum of common sense, and don't intentionally honk off Pundit, you'll be pretty much ok.

  I always thought there rule 0 was the main one over there, which is pretty vague and nebulous, and basically means you can get banned at any time for "not being a good fit".
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Reckall on October 11, 2021, 04:31:40 PM
Lol wtf is this shit? Literally little tyrant stuff. OMG!

It is clear that you will not be able to participate here in good faith and follow our rules.

You are permanently banned under Rule 0 for being a poor fit.


Now I’m curious… What’s a “good fit” for these looneys!?

Obey and shut up.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ratman_tf on October 11, 2021, 05:35:50 PM
That's been something that peeves me off. It's one thing if they said 'OK look, we don't have a rule about doing this. We do now. Don't do this again.'

Instead, it's perpetual tiptoe-through-the-minefield if you want to post anything beyond the most bland, bloodless commentary.

I mean, holy shit, you can never plan for every eventuality. Sometimes, yeah, you have to patch in some rules.

 But I stand by an assertion I've made before: the mods get their jollies by swinging that banhammer. 

I think part of the problem is they try to make a rule for everything, so they can point to the rules when they make a shit moderation decision.
How many rules here at rpgsite? Not very many, and if you use a modicum of common sense, and don't intentionally honk off Pundit, you'll be pretty much ok.

  I always thought there rule 0 was the main one over there, which is pretty vague and nebulous, and basically means you can get banned at any time for "not being a good fit".

And they invoke it to justify moderation. I'd put it as evidence that they finally had to invent a rule equivalent of a tactical nuke.
A mod could just come out an take responsibility for it. "Hey man, I don't think you're going to be a good fit here." But RPG.net has to have a rule they can point to.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ghostmaker on October 16, 2021, 11:55:43 PM
You spin me right round, baby, right round!

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/cannonball-receives-a-🚫-fourteen-day-ban-gravedancing.888241/

Actually, I don't have a problem with this, and it's fascinating that even TBP's mods can't stomach gravedancing like this. Guess even they have SOME standards, lulz.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/silvercat-moonpaw-receives-a-🚫-thirty-day-ban-group-attacks-involving-religion.888271/

This one is ... very odd. As annoyingly euphoric as Silvercat comes off here, I don't think it warrants a thirty day. I mean, they're not WRONG -- the Greek pantheon in particular was notoriously mean-spirited and petty in many myths.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Kyle Aaron on October 17, 2021, 03:41:08 AM
It must have caused rpg.net mods physical pain to have to ban someone for mocking the death of a Conservative at the hands of a Moslem convert.

I am amused that they are now banning people for mocking religions which nobody has followed for more than a thousand years.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Horace on October 17, 2021, 12:34:50 PM
https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/silvercat-moonpaw-receives-a-🚫-thirty-day-ban-group-attacks-involving-religion.888271/

This one is ... very odd. As annoyingly euphoric as Silvercat comes off here, I don't think it warrants a thirty day. I mean, they're not WRONG -- the Greek pantheon in particular was notoriously mean-spirited and petty in many myths.
Funny how Silvercat's innocuous comment on polytheism is deemed insensitive in the same message that the mods accuse others of propagandizing, engaging in atrocities, and having blood on their hands. I guess it's okay to slag whole groups of people as long as it fits the Leftist narrative.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Neoplatonist1 on October 17, 2021, 02:51:11 PM
When did RPGnet itself become a political game the mods and their toys play, rather than just a place to converse about RPGs?
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Nephil on October 17, 2021, 04:14:41 PM
When did RPGnet itself become a political game the mods and their toys play, rather than just a place to converse about RPGs?
It really started in 2010 onwards, but the signs where there earlier. 2000 to 2005 were the "good ol' days" as far as I can remember.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ratman_tf on October 17, 2021, 04:28:30 PM
When did RPGnet itself become a political game the mods and their toys play, rather than just a place to converse about RPGs?
It really started in 2010 onwards, but the signs where there earlier. 2000 to 2005 were the "good ol' days" as far as I can remember.

I left (haven't logged into my account since) in 2015, but that was a slow boil.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Neoplatonist1 on October 17, 2021, 04:48:47 PM
When did RPGnet itself become a political game the mods and their toys play, rather than just a place to converse about RPGs?
It really started in 2010 onwards, but the signs where there earlier. 2000 to 2005 were the "good ol' days" as far as I can remember.

I'm afraid I no longer even understand what I'm not supposed to talk about on such places. I am genuinely mystified.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: David Johansen on October 17, 2021, 04:56:31 PM
I don't really hang years on it but I think Kuma's appointment as administrator was the beginning of the slide towards the left.  I'm not sure it's so much Kuma's fault, it was the time when things started getting nailed down and policies on things went from fairly loose guidelines to rules.  Cessna followed Kuma when Kuma wasn't strict enough for the rabid wolf pack.  Cessna was clearer but also more of a list of rules guy.  Professor Umbridge would have approved of the endless flow of proclamations that followed.  I can still identify with the mods a little bit at this point because there were occasional event driven flareups like elections or major news stories.  They called it the "werewolf season" because everyone suddenly seemed to turn nasty.  With the election of Donald Trump, the bias and willingness to let the angry mob define morality became set in stone policy.  At present the greatest sin seems to be contention of any kind rather than any actual left right bias.  I suspect this is because the mods have hunted down all the enemies of the state and now need a new enemy to continue their reign of terror.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Nephil on October 17, 2021, 05:06:06 PM
When did RPGnet itself become a political game the mods and their toys play, rather than just a place to converse about RPGs?
It really started in 2010 onwards, but the signs where there earlier. 2000 to 2005 were the "good ol' days" as far as I can remember.

I'm afraid I no longer even understand what I'm not supposed to talk about on such places. I am genuinely mystified.

Nothing. You are supposed to just repeat the party line. RPG.NET is a dead forum, spiraling into irrelevance, the only reason to go there is to laugh and cry over what used to be.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Horace on October 17, 2021, 05:22:22 PM
I'm afraid I no longer even understand what I'm not supposed to talk about on such places. I am genuinely mystified.
This is why I never bothered to create an RPG.net account. I'm pretty sure I would have been banned a long time ago for some made-up reason that I never could have foreseen.

Me: "I enjoy playing RPGs."

RPG.net mod: "Enjoyment is an ablist concept that harms people suffering from depression. You are permanently banned under Rule 0."
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: DocJones on October 17, 2021, 05:49:24 PM
Me: "I enjoy playing RPGs."
Mod:  No one here plays RPGs. Clearly you aren't a good fit for the forum.  Banned.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Abraxus on October 18, 2021, 09:46:53 AM
Lol Doc Jones I almost spit my coffee at the screen. So true though it should be a meme if it’s not already.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Crawford Tillinghast on October 18, 2021, 01:08:12 PM
Lol wtf is this shit? Literally little tyrant stuff. OMG!

It is clear that you will not be able to participate here in good faith and follow our rules.

You are permanently banned under Rule 0 for being a poor fit.


Now I’m curious… What’s a “good fit” for these looneys!?

There is none.  Seriously.  You are a good member...until you aren't.

You can compare TBP to 1984, (Complete with Two Minutes of Hate!), or China under the Cultural Revolution.  But I prefer thinking of the site as The Body of Landru from "Return of the Archons".

Everyone is going along smiling and happy, until someone does something "odd." Then "He is not of the Body?"  "HE IS NOT OF THE BODY!"
(Then they wind up here.)

"Umm...what is 'odd'?"
"We don't rule on hypotheticals!  You'll find out when you cross the line!"

(https://y.yarn.co/048e85d4-180c-4495-9d68-1a326b67b4ef_text.gif)
LOL, and it gets better.  Landru doesn't have planetary surveillance: You'd think a planet wide computer would.  Anyone who is Of the Body is also an Ear of Landru.  So if you say something outside The Spirit of Landru within the hearing of someone Of The Body, the guys with the long staves and red text show up. 
"What is within the Spirit of Landru?"
"If you were Of The Body, you would already know the answer."
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Crawford Tillinghast on October 18, 2021, 01:21:35 PM


There is none.  Seriously.  You are a good member...until you aren't.

You can compare TBP to 1984, (Complete with Two Minutes of Hate!), or China under the Cultural Revolution.  But I prefer thinking of the site as The Body of Landru from "Return of the Archons".

Everyone is going along smiling and happy, until someone does something "odd." Then "He is not of the Body?"  "HE IS NOT OF THE BODY!"
(Then they wind up here.)

"Umm...what is 'odd'?"
"We don't rule on hypotheticals!  You'll find out when you cross the line!"
That's been something that peeves me off. It's one thing if they said 'OK look, we don't have a rule about doing this. We do now. Don't do this again.'

Instead, it's perpetual tiptoe-through-the-minefield if you want to post anything beyond the most bland, bloodless commentary.

I mean, holy shit, you can never plan for every eventuality. Sometimes, yeah, you have to patch in some rules.

 But I stand by an assertion I've made before: the mods get their jollies by swinging that banhammer. 
To be fair:  That rule is because they have a lot of rules lawyers and line dancers.  What's the name of the guy with the arrow?
"OK, I do this, is this halfway to the line, but not over it?"
Yes
"OK, I do this, is this again halfway to the line, but not over it?"
Yes
Etc.
Or,
"I'm a Russian kick dancer!  If I stick my foot over the line but don't touch ground, is it still over the line?"

If I were a mod at TBP, I'd just use the line of your post I bolded and be done. I know, then we couldn't play with Stormbringer uh the Banhammer.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Crawford Tillinghast on October 18, 2021, 01:27:32 PM
...I'm a bit surprised they haven't been sent to the cornfield sooner.
What a perfect metaphor! 8) 8) 8)

Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Stephen Tannhauser on October 18, 2021, 02:45:38 PM
To be fair:  That rule is because they have a lot of rules lawyers and line dancers.  What's the name of the guy with the arrow?

Saint Sebastian, often referenced in Xeno's Paradox: i.e. that if space is infinitely divisible, before you can cross any distance you have to cross half of that distance, and since you always have to cross the half of the distance before that half you can never actually get anywhere, and so Saint Sebastian evidently died of fright rather than by getting struck with arrows which could never actually have reached him.

Or to phrase it a little more aphoristically, no amount of increased refinement to the letter of a rule will help people uphold its spirit if they are determined not to.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ghostmaker on October 18, 2021, 02:47:41 PM
To be fair:  That rule is because they have a lot of rules lawyers and line dancers.  What's the name of the guy with the arrow?

Saint Sebastian, often referenced in Xeno's Paradox: i.e. that if space is infinitely divisible, before you can cross any distance you have to cross half of that distance, and since you always have to cross the half of the distance before that half you can never actually get anywhere, and so Saint Sebastian evidently died of fright rather than by getting struck with arrows which could never actually have reached him.

Or to phrase it a little more aphoristically, no amount of increased refinement to the letter of a rule will help people uphold its spirit if they are determined not to.
Which is really where Rule 0 should come into play.

But it looks to me less like 'Ok, you're trying to game the system and we're not interested in playing, so fuck off' and more 'We're going to set completely arbitrary rules and randomly enforce them at our whims'.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Stephen Tannhauser on October 18, 2021, 05:16:44 PM
Which is really where Rule 0 should come into play.

But it looks to me less like 'Ok, you're trying to game the system and we're not interested in playing, so fuck off' and more 'We're going to set completely arbitrary rules and randomly enforce them at our whims'.

For another community I didn't know as well, I'd at least be willing to admit that that's an easy dynamic to mutually confuse. My impatience with what I see as someone else's game playing could very easily look to another person like me being arbitrary without it actually being so, and vice versa.

TBP has, unfortunately, lost my willingness to give them the benefit of the doubt in this area.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ghostmaker on October 20, 2021, 12:43:05 PM
https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/duddubuddu-receives-a-%F0%9F%94%B4-warning-and-threadban.888404/

And here we learn that wanting a group to state its intentions and demands is 'concern trolling'.

Also, that Dawgstar is a pathetic excuse for a human being, but we all knew that one.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: KingCheops on October 21, 2021, 09:54:29 AM
https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/duddubuddu-receives-a-%F0%9F%94%B4-warning-and-threadban.888404/

And here we learn that wanting a group to state its intentions and demands is 'concern trolling'.

Also, that Dawgstar is a pathetic excuse for a human being, but we all knew that one.

Well I mean if you're forced to illuminate your actual desires it's possible that they could be met.  They learned that mistake with gay marriage and now just make sure to make nebulous demands so that they can get whatever they want.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ghostmaker on October 21, 2021, 10:07:10 AM
https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/duddubuddu-receives-a-%F0%9F%94%B4-warning-and-threadban.888404/

And here we learn that wanting a group to state its intentions and demands is 'concern trolling'.

Also, that Dawgstar is a pathetic excuse for a human being, but we all knew that one.

Well I mean if you're forced to illuminate your actual desires it's possible that they could be met.  They learned that mistake with gay marriage and now just make sure to make nebulous demands so that they can get whatever they want.
That and I suspect some of them don't even KNOW what they want.

It's like the cries for 'we want dignity!'. But dignity can't be handed out like a candy bar.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: KingCheops on October 21, 2021, 10:19:06 AM
https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/duddubuddu-receives-a-%F0%9F%94%B4-warning-and-threadban.888404/

And here we learn that wanting a group to state its intentions and demands is 'concern trolling'.

Also, that Dawgstar is a pathetic excuse for a human being, but we all knew that one.

Well I mean if you're forced to illuminate your actual desires it's possible that they could be met.  They learned that mistake with gay marriage and now just make sure to make nebulous demands so that they can get whatever they want.
That and I suspect some of them don't even KNOW what they want.

It's like the cries for 'we want dignity!'. But dignity can't be handed out like a candy bar.

I mean it can if you're the type of person who feels good about getting a participation trophy.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: David Johansen on October 22, 2021, 01:53:26 PM
This one is interesting https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/degenesis-calls-it-quits.888525/

"good riddance" didn't get any heat but suggesting that racism can be dealt with in a setting without the designers being racist got a 7 day ban.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: wmarshal on October 22, 2021, 02:00:53 PM
This one is interesting https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/degenesis-calls-it-quits.888525/

"good riddance" didn't get any heat but suggesting that racism can be dealt with in a setting without the designers being racist got a 7 day ban.
From my read the poster who got banned was asking for an honest clarification to a pretty blunt and general statement. I guess TBP can’t have that.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Stephen Tannhauser on October 22, 2021, 02:23:18 PM
"good riddance" didn't get any heat but suggesting that racism can be dealt with in a setting without the designers being racist got a 7 day ban.

It's another kafkatrap. When I accuse you of posting in bad faith, that's only proof of my bad faith; but when you accuse me of posting in bad faith, that's also proof of my bad faith.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Shasarak on October 22, 2021, 03:23:44 PM
"good riddance" didn't get any heat but suggesting that racism can be dealt with in a setting without the designers being racist got a 7 day ban.

It's another kafkatrap. When I accuse you of posting in bad faith, that's only proof of my bad faith; but when you accuse me of posting in bad faith, that's also proof of my bad faith.

Explaining the trap is proof of your bad faith.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Wntrlnd on October 22, 2021, 03:53:47 PM
Quote by woke moderator

Quote
Racism as part of a game world is a game designer's choice, and it's not a good choice.

Wow. Guess the swedish game Western 4ed once it comes out in a english translation sometimes soon (translation available to backers atm) will not be well received by RPGnet. Their loss. It is a beautiful game.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ratman_tf on October 22, 2021, 05:32:15 PM
Quote
Furthermore, Racism in roleplaying games should not be normal, for all that some may wish to continue normalizing it. Racism as part of a game world is a game designer's choice, and it's not a good choice.

The fucking fuck?
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Pat on October 22, 2021, 05:38:10 PM
Quote
Furthermore, Racism in roleplaying games should not be normal, for all that some may wish to continue normalizing it. Racism as part of a game world is a game designer's choice, and it's not a good choice.

The fucking fuck?
By the standard that systemic racism has been pervasive throughout history, that means all historical RPGs have to go. And all modern RPGs as well. And the only fantasy or far future RPGs that are allowed are those that meet the anti-racist (racist) progressive ideal. And since progressive goalposts constantly change, that means all RPGs that weren't written in the last 5 seconds are banned.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Fergurg on October 22, 2021, 06:28:24 PM
Quote
Furthermore, Racism in roleplaying games should not be normal, for all that some may wish to continue normalizing it. Racism as part of a game world is a game designer's choice, and it's not a good choice.

The fucking fuck?
By the standard that systemic racism has been pervasive throughout history, that means all historical RPGs have to go. And all modern RPGs as well. And the only fantasy or far future RPGs that are allowed are those that meet the anti-racist (racist) progressive ideal. And since progressive goalposts constantly change, that means all RPGs that weren't written in the last 5 seconds are banned.

And there it is - the goal. To simply erase everything and declare that they were always right. I would not be surprised if we see a move within a few years to declare that all RPGs before 2015 never existed.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: GriswaldTerrastone on October 22, 2021, 06:39:02 PM
...And make owning such a hate crime?
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: DM_Curt on October 22, 2021, 07:14:46 PM
...And make owning such a hate crime?
I'd say "Don't give them any ideas", but "Everything we don't like is a Hate Crime!" is already one of their few ideas.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Shasarak on October 22, 2021, 07:19:03 PM
Quote
Furthermore, Racism in roleplaying games should not be normal, for all that some may wish to continue normalizing it. Racism as part of a game world is a game designer's choice, and it's not a good choice.

The fucking fuck?
By the standard that systemic racism has been pervasive throughout history, that means all historical RPGs have to go. And all modern RPGs as well. And the only fantasy or far future RPGs that are allowed are those that meet the anti-racist (racist) progressive ideal. And since progressive goalposts constantly change, that means all RPGs that weren't written in the last 5 seconds are banned.

And there it is - the goal. To simply erase everything and declare that they were always right. I would not be surprised if we see a move within a few years to declare that all RPGs before 2015 never existed.

Thats never happened before.  Oh wait

(https://cdn8.openculture.com/2017/08/20195102/soviet-censorship-naval-commissar-vanishes.jpg)
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: SHARK on October 22, 2021, 08:53:30 PM
Greetings!

Just by reading through a few of the commenters posts from the thread links to TBP, I can't help but believe that few of these morons have any real experience with unions. I have been a member of a union, for years, as well as involved in management. Before I ever worked in a union, I used to have a much more positive view of unions. After my own actual experience in a large union--for years--as well as my close, personal knowledge of several friends that have worked as members of *different* kinds of unions--my opinion of unions has become definitely more cynical, and informed by real knowledge and real, first-hand experience. Unions are in many ways largely corrupt and inefficient, and while they provide *some* benefit to the employees in general, they also cause a great deal of professional harm, suffering, and lost reward and opportunities for many employees. In a nutshell, Unions mostly protect and facilitate mediocre, lazy, unmotivated employees that are content with doing just enough work professionally to "get by" and not get fired--while simultaneously actively and bureaucratically *harming* and limiting highly-motivated, genuinely hard-working employees that are ambitious. It is often a case organizationally and individually of taking two steps forward and three steps backwards. Certainly, in society, there are a few unions that seem to represent their members very well, and consistently do excellent work to improve the pay, conditions, and professional strength an influence of their members--such as the Police Unions, and the Teacher's Unions. However, even they possess some inherent, deeply disturbing dynamics and problems which negatively influence the productivity and efficiency of those professional industries.

Anyone that doesn't recognize these deeper realities concerning Unions is simply brainwashed, inexperienced, or in absolute denial.

So, I certainly have mixed feelings concerning "Unions".

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Shasarak on October 22, 2021, 09:02:28 PM
The Teachers Union is the example of a good Union?  :o
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Fergurg on October 22, 2021, 09:10:43 PM
https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/duddubuddu-receives-a-%F0%9F%94%B4-warning-and-threadban.888404/

And here we learn that wanting a group to state its intentions and demands is 'concern trolling'.

For leftists, loyalty means going along with the Party, even when the Party is wrong. This is a simple matter of, "If the answer matters to you, the answer doesn't matter. You simply must support."
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: SHARK on October 22, 2021, 11:03:16 PM
The Teachers Union is the example of a good Union?  :o

Greetings!

*Laughing* Well, I did stipulate that even good unions--which I meant *effective* unions--also have some serious problems. As scandals and other BS has come out, we are more aware of some of the corruption an goings-on with Police Unions, and Teachers Unions as well.

From a purely employee-standpoint concerning efficiency, pay and benefits, an overall effectiveness, power, an influence, I woul think that the Police Unions and Teacher's Unions are some pretty good examples.

Having said that, yes, the fucking Teacher's Union is choke with Marxist corruption an brainwashing, an is absolutely terrible. I think their impact on school systems and society in general is terrible.

Furthermore, while it could also be pointed out that such unions--like the Teacher's Unions--have been outstandingly effective in championing their members--vs-a-vs pay, benefits, goodies, retirement, healthcare, an so on--all of that is true. An yet, they are also a HUGE example of failure, corruption, and problems, as I mentioned about unions in general--looking at how Teacher's Unions coddle an embrace protecting thoroughly mediocre teachers an terrible, Marxist fucking cunts that seek to o nothing except brainwash ur kids. So many worthless, brainwashed fucking teachers that prove to be absolutely useless and incapable of actually being good teachers and educators. They are a fucking disgrace and should be ashamed. So many of these worthless fucking teachers should be promptly and ruthlessly FIRED.

ARRGGHH. My apologies for being *imprecise* Fucking Teacher's Unions piss me off. I hope they are crushed. All of these worthless goddamn Marxist teachers need to be fucking unemployed and living under a fucking bridge, begging for dogfood.

Shasarak, are Teacher's Unions full of Marxism and shit like the Teacher's Unions here in the States?

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Shasarak on October 22, 2021, 11:13:35 PM
Shasarak, are Teacher's Unions full of Marxism and shit like the Teacher's Unions here in the States?

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

We are always five years behind everyone else but you can see it coming.

It wont belong before I will need to get on the PTA.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: David Johansen on October 23, 2021, 12:18:13 AM
The Teachers Union is the example of a good Union?  :o

Having said that, yes, the fucking Teacher's Union is choke with Marxist corruption an brainwashing, an is absolutely terrible. I think their impact on school systems and society in general is terrible.

ARRGGHH. My apologies for being *imprecise* Fucking Teacher's Unions piss me off. I hope they are crushed. All of these worthless goddamn Marxist teachers need to be fucking unemployed and living under a fucking bridge, begging for dogfood.


Well, it had to happen eventually, I agree with you on something.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: DM_Curt on October 25, 2021, 01:34:40 PM
4 days in, and already a threadban, despite being quite courteous.  https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/paizo-staffers-unionize.888170/page-11
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ghostmaker on October 25, 2021, 01:56:48 PM
4 days in, and already a threadban, despite being quite courteous.  https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/paizo-staffers-unionize.888170/page-11
Interestingly, the threadban isn't in Infractions.

Keep in mind that no matter how polite and courteous you are, if you question their sacred narrative, you are in trouble.

Comparisons to religious zealots are pretty accurate.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: moonsweeper on October 25, 2021, 01:58:59 PM
I love how they claimed that you lacked knowledge of basic economic principles...  :)
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Stephen Tannhauser on October 25, 2021, 01:59:59 PM
4 days in, and already a threadban, despite being quite courteous.  https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/paizo-staffers-unionize.888170/page-11

Calling someone's post "concern trolling" is by definition an accusation of arguing in bad faith.

Saying that someone's posts are indistinguishable from "concern trolling" is by definition an admission of one's own bad faith, as it is openly acknowledging that it doesn't matter to someone whether an opponent is sincere or not.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: DM_Curt on October 25, 2021, 02:14:02 PM
Noticed this one:
The thread started with:
Quote from: Lewd Beholder
okay dumb question. what things can you do with a low level party at a rodeo?
...and was met with several ideas for story hooks, skill challenges, etc.

Yet this one....
Quote from: Shutters
Anthrax outbreak! Contain the spread before it's too late.
...was given a threadban for "Threadcrapping", which I have no idea what it is.  It seems quite random, since other posts suggesting adventure hooks were fine.



https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/fun-things-to-do-at-a-rodeo.887192/
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Godfather Punk on October 25, 2021, 02:20:11 PM
Yet this one....
Quote from: Shutters
Anthrax outbreak! Contain the spread before it's too late.
...was given a threadban for "Threadcrapping", which I have no idea what it is.  It seems quite random, since other posts suggesting adventure hooks were fine.
It's simple: only state approved humor is allowed. Don't try to bring in your own.

Seriously, what a fun-devoid place that site has become.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: DM_Curt on October 25, 2021, 02:38:47 PM
Yet this one....
Quote from: Shutters
Anthrax outbreak! Contain the spread before it's too late.
...was given a threadban for "Threadcrapping", which I have no idea what it is.  It seems quite random, since other posts suggesting adventure hooks were fine.
It's simple: only state approved humor is allowed. Don't try to bring in your own.

Seriously, what a fun-devoid place that site has become.
It's not even that a terrible idea for a hook. One by one, animals start showing signs of illness. The PCs do some investigating to see why animals that were kept separate are spreading an illness. Someone is poisoning the competition, and it's not really a disease...
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Godfather Punk on October 25, 2021, 02:40:52 PM
Sure, but saying that would get you another ban for talking back to redtext, soapboxing and replying in the thread you were banned from...

"What a strange forum. The only way to win is not to post."
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ghostmaker on October 25, 2021, 02:41:29 PM
Yet this one....
Quote from: Shutters
Anthrax outbreak! Contain the spread before it's too late.
...was given a threadban for "Threadcrapping", which I have no idea what it is.  It seems quite random, since other posts suggesting adventure hooks were fine.
It's simple: only state approved humor is allowed. Don't try to bring in your own.

Seriously, what a fun-devoid place that site has become.
It's not even that a terrible idea for a hook. One by one, animals start showing signs of illness. The PCs do some investigating to see why animals that were kept separate are spreading an illness. Someone is poisoning the competition, and it's not really a disease...
Much like a number of other infractions, 'threadcrapping' is somewhat subjective, and thanks to TBP's policy of 'the onus is on the poster', it's entirely possible to post something constructive and still get redtexted.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: FelixGamingX1 on October 30, 2021, 12:11:15 AM
Sad, really sad. Wish the Annunaki would stop fooling around and just land their damn spaceship already.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: wmarshal on November 06, 2021, 05:55:11 PM
I think Marras is doomed:
https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/marras-receives-a-🚫-seven-day-ban-placeholder-ban-pending-further-action.889252/

A non-native English speaker finds it a little weird that the singular they is getting pushed, gets an initial 7-day ban as a placeholder. I’m sure they’re running through Marras’ history of 1000+ posts over the last 7 years or so to find whatever justification they can for a permaban. I think it’s a little ironic as I believe Marras is a Finn, and their 3rd-person singular pronoun is actually gender-neutral, so one might think Marras could have something interesting to contribute to the pronoun discussion. Nope, Marras violated today’s orthodoxy, to the cornfield he goes.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Joey2k on November 06, 2021, 06:14:51 PM
I think Marras is doomed:
https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/marras-receives-a-🚫-seven-day-ban-placeholder-ban-pending-further-action.889252/

A non-native English speaker finds it a little weird that the singular they is getting pushed, gets an initial 7-day ban as a placeholder. I’m sure they’re running through Marras’ history of 1000+ posts over the last 7 years or so to find whatever justification they can for a permaban. I think it’s a little ironic as I believe Marras is a Finn, and they’re 3rd-person singular pronoun is actually gender-neutral, so one might think Marras could have something interesting to contribute to the pronoun discussion. Nope, Marras violated today’s orthodoxy, to the cornfield he goes.

Geez. That is just about the most innocuous inoffensive post I have read
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ghostmaker on November 07, 2021, 12:08:57 AM
But thanks to the TBP policy of 'the onus is on the poster for clarity', anyone who does not have native-level grasp of English is vulnerable, since non-native speakers can (and do) fumble the language (not knocking those who have this issue, but it happens).

And so they'll ban some other poor sap for high crimes. Fuckers.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Neoplatonist1 on November 07, 2021, 09:48:34 AM
Have any RPGnet mods ever repented of their bad faith and left their totalitarian fiefdom?
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ghostmaker on November 07, 2021, 11:42:33 AM
Have any RPGnet mods ever repented of their bad faith and left their totalitarian fiefdom?
I believe the closest we got to that was Rand Brittain throwing a HUGE tantrum because (in his opinion) TBP's staff had run interference for Matt and Michelle McFarland. He was subsequently banned for it -- probably because he had the nerve to straight up point out there was a major conflict of interest as well as the idiocy of TBP staff saying 'oh but you should trust us uwu'.

But honestly, the majority of banned staff are probably not banned because they repented, but because they fell afoul of the purity spiral.

Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Armchair Gamer on November 07, 2021, 04:44:09 PM
Have any RPGnet mods ever repented of their bad faith and left their totalitarian fiefdom?

  Wasn't Dan Davenport a mod for a while, long before the dark times?
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: wmarshal on November 07, 2021, 08:34:01 PM
And Marras is gone.
https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/marras-receives-a-💀-permanent-ban.889287/

They did their digging for badthink, and found an infraction they gave Marras earlier for stating “We’re all entitled to our own opinions, even about Morgan being transfobic or not.” Marras didn’t make a transphobic statement, but stated people can have their own opinions as to whether an author was transphobic.  Nope, at TBP people are not entitled to their own opinions, people are only entitled to goodthink.

The other reference they made was to Marras participation in a discussion about the change in Deadlands canon regarding the Confederacy. Marras received no infractions from that discussion, but the TBP mods decided to tar Marras as a racist as well. Given that Marras hadn’t received infractions in that thread you know the TBP mods had decided to go through Marras’ complete posting history to pull that old thread up.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: KingCheops on November 07, 2021, 10:55:26 PM
And Marras is gone.
https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/marras-receives-a-💀-permanent-ban.889287/

They did their digging for badthink, and found an infraction they gave Marras earlier for stating “We’re all entitled to our own opinions, even about Morgan being transfobic or not.” Marras didn’t make a transphobic statement, but stated people can have their own opinions as to whether an author was transphobic.  Nope, at TBP people are not entitled to their own opinions, people are only entitled to goodthink.

The other reference they made was to Marras participation in a discussion about the change in Deadlands canon regarding the Confederacy. Marras received no infractions from that discussion, but the TBP mods decided to tar Marras as a racist as well. Given that Marras hadn’t received infractions in that thread you know the TBP mods had decided to go through Marras’ complete posting history to pull that old thread up.

Who'd have thought the guy who wrote Altered Carbon could be considered transphobic.  What a fucking clown world we live in.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Stephen Tannhauser on November 07, 2021, 11:04:09 PM
Who'd have thought the guy who wrote Altered Carbon could be considered transphobic.  What a fucking clown world we live in.

One of the hallmarks of the fanatic is that no criticism of the Movement's methods can be assumed to be a good-faith attempt to improve the chance of it accomplishing its goals; it is always assumed to be a covert attempt to undermine and reject said goals.

I have no idea what Morgan said, but I would bet a fairly large sum of money that it was a criticism of particular advocacy actions rather than a condemnation of gender-dysphoric people.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ghostmaker on November 08, 2021, 07:58:46 AM
And Marras is gone.
https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/marras-receives-a-💀-permanent-ban.889287/

They did their digging for badthink, and found an infraction they gave Marras earlier for stating “We’re all entitled to our own opinions, even about Morgan being transfobic or not.” Marras didn’t make a transphobic statement, but stated people can have their own opinions as to whether an author was transphobic.  Nope, at TBP people are not entitled to their own opinions, people are only entitled to goodthink.

The other reference they made was to Marras participation in a discussion about the change in Deadlands canon regarding the Confederacy. Marras received no infractions from that discussion, but the TBP mods decided to tar Marras as a racist as well. Given that Marras hadn’t received infractions in that thread you know the TBP mods had decided to go through Marras’ complete posting history to pull that old thread up.

Who'd have thought the guy who wrote Altered Carbon could be considered transphobic.  What a fucking clown world we live in.
It's not like Morgan is some kind of alt-right icon. He's a raging lefty, but because he does not genuflect in the direction of trans superiority, TBP hates him.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: The Spaniard on November 09, 2021, 11:35:47 AM
Sure, but saying that would get you another ban for talking back to redtext, soapboxing and replying in the thread you were banned from...

"What a strange forum. The only way to win is not to post."

Indeed.  I have no idea why anyone who doesn't follow their dogma to the letter even goes there, except to maybe watch the train wrecks.   I have no time for those mutts.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Bunch on November 09, 2021, 09:46:01 PM
Have any RPGnet mods ever repented of their bad faith and left their totalitarian fiefdom?

  Wasn't Dan Davenport a mod for a while, long before the dark times?
I believe you're correct about that. 
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ghostmaker on November 10, 2021, 08:04:14 AM
https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/metalicious-receives-a-%F0%9F%94%B4-warning-threadban-threadcrapping.889381/

I want to call this latest one to attention because it illustrates a HUGE problem with TBP's 'forum culture' (it's like e.coli!).

There is no way, apparently, to voice a contradicting opinion in a thread. If you do, it's called 'threadcrapping' and you're kicked out of it.

I can understand 'keep it civil and constructive'. That's fair. But to rampantly mod people for voicing a contrary opinion?
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: wmarshal on November 10, 2021, 08:56:21 AM
https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/metalicious-receives-a-%F0%9F%94%B4-warning-threadban-threadcrapping.889381/

I want to call this latest one to attention because it illustrates a HUGE problem with TBP's 'forum culture' (it's like e.coli!).

There is no way, apparently, to voice a contradicting opinion in a thread. If you do, it's called 'threadcrapping' and you're kicked out of it.

I can understand 'keep it civil and constructive'. That's fair. But to rampantly mod people for voicing a contrary opinion?
That’s by design. Cults don’t encourage debates to occur that question premises, even if the debate is in regards to a topic not directly threatening to the cult. Such debates encourage free thinking, and possibly members deciding to go their own way, which is not a practice any cult encourages.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Anomalous on November 10, 2021, 10:08:03 AM
I think Marras is doomed:
https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/marras-receives-a-🚫-seven-day-ban-placeholder-ban-pending-further-action.889252/

A non-native English speaker finds it a little weird that the singular they is getting pushed, gets an initial 7-day ban as a placeholder. I’m sure they’re running through Marras’ history of 1000+ posts over the last 7 years or so to find whatever justification they can for a permaban. I think it’s a little ironic as I believe Marras is a Finn, and their 3rd-person singular pronoun is actually gender-neutral, so one might think Marras could have something interesting to contribute to the pronoun discussion. Nope, Marras violated today’s orthodoxy, to the cornfield he goes.

Do we have a critical incident response team that swoops in and helps these folks find there way here?  We should totally have that. 
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Anomalous on November 10, 2021, 10:10:08 AM
https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/metalicious-receives-a-%F0%9F%94%B4-warning-threadban-threadcrapping.889381/

I want to call this latest one to attention because it illustrates a HUGE problem with TBP's 'forum culture' (it's like e.coli!).

There is no way, apparently, to voice a contradicting opinion in a thread. If you do, it's called 'threadcrapping' and you're kicked out of it.

I can understand 'keep it civil and constructive'. That's fair. But to rampantly mod people for voicing a contrary opinion?

This is a problem for them, not us.  There's only so far a cherished three-letter domain will get you when this kind of odious and irrational behaviour is on regular display.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ghostmaker on November 10, 2021, 10:31:47 AM
https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/broken-receives-a-%F0%9F%9A%AB-thirty-day-ban.889417/

Kinda mixed on this one. I think Dawgstar is a piece of shit, but Broken has been playing edgelord for so long he needs a good walloping.

Hard to decide, really. And Broken really is a dumbass with some of his 'hot takes'. I really can't get too worked up over him getting a month vacation.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Neoplatonist1 on November 10, 2021, 10:38:31 AM
https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/broken-receives-a-%F0%9F%9A%AB-thirty-day-ban.889417/

Kinda mixed on this one. I think Dawgstar is a piece of shit, but Broken has been playing edgelord for so long he needs a good walloping.

Hard to decide, really. And Broken really is a dumbass with some of his 'hot takes'. I really can't get too worked up over him getting a month vacation.

I've been thinking about this a bit and I've come to the conclusion that the RPGnet mods aren't just stupid or crazy or amusingly power-drunk, they're actually evil. I realize that this evil should technically be classified as minor, even trivial, but, it speaks to the way these people, and people like them in other areas, think (and how they will act) politically. They are consumed with bad faith. It's frightening.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Trond on November 10, 2021, 11:38:08 AM
I don't get it*. Why are slaves more offensive than all the other shit that goes down in RPGs? I have a feeling that if he had said that "we are playing trained assassins" nobody would bat an eye.

* Well, I sort of do; it's the American race hysteria of course.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Stephen Tannhauser on November 11, 2021, 08:20:22 AM
Why are slaves more offensive than all the other shit that goes down in RPGs?

Not just there being slaves in the game, but the implication (of Broken's original idea) that PCs in an RPG based on Magic: The Gathering would effectively be slavers as part of the game's expected action -- the creatures in an M:tG deck would have to be a planewalker's absolutely obedient possessions and could be acquired and traded between walkers, which amounts to much the same thing.

I have to admit, I'm generally a non-woke person and even I don't think that's a particularly good idea. (Would anyone play a "Ticket to Ride"-style economic empire builder game about running the mid-Atlantic slave trade?)

The difference is that I still think it's better to shine light on such ideas and have them debated away, not squelched as ipso facto inadmissible.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ghostmaker on November 11, 2021, 08:29:14 AM
Why are slaves more offensive than all the other shit that goes down in RPGs?

Not just there being slaves in the game, but the implication (of Broken's original idea) that PCs in an RPG based on Magic: The Gathering would effectively be slavers as part of the game's expected action -- the creatures in an M:tG deck would have to be a planewalker's absolutely obedient possessions and could be acquired and traded between walkers, which amounts to much the same thing.

I have to admit, I'm generally a non-woke person and even I don't think that's a particularly good idea. (Would anyone play a "Ticket to Ride"-style economic empire builder game about running the mid-Atlantic slave trade?)

The difference is that I still think it's better to shine light on such ideas and have them debated away, not squelched as ipso facto inadmissible.
I cheerfully admit that unless a party was setting up with an ulterior motive (joining the slave trade to free the slaves and cripple it), I would warn the players that willingly trafficking in slaves is an evil act and would affect their alignment, not to mention their standing with mortal and divine forces.

But TBP freaks out if you even discuss slavery in the most static or minimalist terms.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Stephen Tannhauser on November 11, 2021, 08:39:53 AM
TBP freaks out if you even discuss slavery in the most static or minimalist terms.

The first step in the intolerable coming to pass is for the unimaginable to become widely imagined, so the only way to ensure the unimaginable remains so is to expel anyone who insists on imagining it. Or make it impossible to express, as the whole phenomenon of Newspeak was fictionally intended to do.

I confess to some academic interest about whether an RPG or other game about running the Underground Railroad, or overthrowing institutional slavery in any context, would be allowed; one should think casting slavers as the Big Bads and slavery as the Great Evil should be perfectly fine, but these arguments forbid even that on the grounds the mere concept is too traumatizing to examine. (Much less any suggestion of the "White Saviour" trope; the famous statue of Abraham Lincoln as the Emancipator, helping raise a former slave to stand on his own two feet, is condemned by these folks for implying the slave needed the help).
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ghostmaker on November 11, 2021, 02:30:54 PM
Well, that was unsurprising.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/broken-receives-a-%F0%9F%92%80-permanent-ban.889470/

Although it makes me wonder why they bothered. The internal logic of TBP is probably less coherent than the scriptures of the Chaos Gods in Warhammer/40k.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Godfather Punk on November 11, 2021, 04:47:35 PM
Currently 217 active members (10% of who are probably mods, admins or informants)

I wonder who (still) finances a site that so actively goes to lower the number of its active members, I mean somebody has to click those add banners, right? Or do bots count too?
Ah yes, probably GoFundMe and other money drives from the faithful, to cover the expenses.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: FelixGamingX1 on November 11, 2021, 05:52:43 PM
Currently 217 active members (10% of who are probably mods, admins or informants)

I wonder who (still) finances a site that so actively goes to lower the number of its active members, I mean somebody has to click those add banners, right? Or do bots count too?
Ah yes, probably GoFundMe and other money drives from the faithful, to cover the expenses.

Most sites in their tier are visited by 20~30 bots on a daily basis. It can go to as high as 100+ depending on backlinks, etc. A lot of these SEO tools offer rank 1-3 backlinks for a premium. Bot wise, they are probably in the high 40s minimum. So “active” members may be just around 80-100.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Trond on November 12, 2021, 11:07:16 AM

Not just there being slaves in the game, but the implication (of Broken's original idea) that PCs in an RPG based on Magic: The Gathering would effectively be slavers as part of the game's expected action -- the creatures in an M:tG deck would have to be a planewalker's absolutely obedient possessions and could be acquired and traded between walkers, which amounts to much the same thing.

I have to admit, I'm generally a non-woke person and even I don't think that's a particularly good idea. (Would anyone play a "Ticket to Ride"-style economic empire builder game about running the mid-Atlantic slave trade?)

The difference is that I still think it's better to shine light on such ideas and have them debated away, not squelched as ipso facto inadmissible.

When it comes to entertainment I'm hardliner: I don't really care if people are playing serial killers or child molesters, as long as they're just saying it (or even drawing it). I might raise an eyebrow at the ickyness, and say that this is not something I'm interested in, but whatever. As a supporting note; I don't think I have ever heard of a murder spree being inspired by the music of Cannibal Corpse. In fact, I think the general effect is the opposite; entertainment and "blowing off steam" tends to lower our tendency towards violence, and I do have some general observations over time that supports this.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Stephen Tannhauser on November 12, 2021, 12:01:22 PM
When it comes to entertainment I'm hardliner: I don't really care if people are playing serial killers or child molesters, as long as they're just saying it (or even drawing it). I might raise an eyebrow at the ickyness, and say that this is not something I'm interested in, but whatever.

I partly agree, partly disagree.  On the one hand fantasy and art are not reality, and don't have the same moral weight.  On the other, what somebody chooses to fantasize about doing, in at least a semi-personally-identifying vicarious way, for his own enjoyment can raise valid warning flags, and there are subjects and courses of fantasized action which invite more such flags than others.

I think it's valid to say that objecting to a player who wants to spend game time on enslaving NPCs and slave-trading, or to a game which encouraged such choices as an expected and prominent course of action for PCs, goes beyond personal ickyness. However, I reject TBP's approach because it's clear they consider even raising such topics to be tantamount to endorsing them, and are reading any reported complaint assuming the worst possible bad faith on the part of whoever is complained about.

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I don't think I have ever heard of a murder spree being inspired by the music of Cannibal Corpse. In fact, I think the general effect is the opposite; entertainment and "blowing off steam" tends to lower our tendency towards violence, and I do have some general observations over time that supports this.

Again, I agree and disagree. For most people fantasy can be a valid and safe way to exorcise antisocial impulses, but there are people for which certain fantasies only serve as fuel for the boiler pressure within rather than as a relief valve -- the fantasies don't create that damage, but they can aggravate it and sometimes disastrously trigger it. It's unfair to assume fantasy is always a direct precursor or indicator of reality, but it's naive to treat them as completely separate and unconnected; one has to get down to brass tacks about specific people before one can make judgements in either direction this way.

TBP's error, as above, is to think it's both possible and morally obligatory to prevent people taking the discussion of fantasy topics to unhealthy directions or extremes by prohibiting any discussion of all of certain topics, on the grounds there can't possibly be enough "healthy" use of them to justify permitting it even in a fantasy environment. This, again, I reject on the grounds that it's a pre-emptive assumption of the worst possible context, without taking specific individuals into account.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Neoplatonist1 on November 12, 2021, 05:45:48 PM
I think it's valid to say that objecting to a player who wants to spend game time on enslaving NPCs and slave-trading, or to a game which encouraged such choices as an expected and prominent course of action for PCs, goes beyond personal ickyness.

What about players who want to portray, I don't know, vampires?
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Kiero on November 12, 2021, 06:05:20 PM
Is that cunt Darren MacLennan still a mod on the purple shithole?
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Nephil on November 12, 2021, 06:28:58 PM
Is that cunt Darren MacLennan still a mod on the purple shithole?

Yep. Cannibal smily or some shit.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ghostmaker on November 12, 2021, 09:47:16 PM
Is that cunt Darren MacLennan still a mod on the purple shithole?

Yep. Cannibal smily or some shit.
Yup. He's Cannibal Smiliest. Though I haven't seen much out of him of late. He was last on 11/4, but his last post was on 9/25. Curious.

In the meantime: https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/kettlehelm-receives-a-🚫-three-day-ban.889512/

They don't even like oblique mentions of ACKS. It's kind of funny in a way.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/komradebob-receives-a-🔴-warning-and-threadban.889513/

This one needs some context. I think komradebob was sarcastically responding back to a comment that OSR and storygaming were the same thing. So of course, Dawgstar gets the chance to wave his tiny dick around. I am unsurprised.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: psiconauta_retro on November 13, 2021, 02:28:38 AM

In the meantime: https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/kettlehelm-receives-a-🚫-three-day-ban.889512/

They don't even like oblique mentions of ACKS. It's kind of funny in a way.


This called my attention, does anybody know which are the games banned to talk about on TBP? Maybe they are interesting reads...

Even more, does anybody know why they are banned?
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ratman_tf on November 13, 2021, 05:28:53 AM

In the meantime: https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/kettlehelm-receives-a-🚫-three-day-ban.889512/

They don't even like oblique mentions of ACKS. It's kind of funny in a way.


This called my attention, does anybody know which are the games banned to talk about on TBP? Maybe they are interesting reads...

Even more, does anybody know why they are banned?

In the case of ACKS...

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/acks-autarch-added-to-forbidden-topics-list.830945/
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Neoplatonist1 on November 13, 2021, 12:41:06 PM

In the meantime: https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/kettlehelm-receives-a-🚫-three-day-ban.889512/

They don't even like oblique mentions of ACKS. It's kind of funny in a way.


This called my attention, does anybody know which are the games banned to talk about on TBP? Maybe they are interesting reads...

Even more, does anybody know why they are banned?

In the case of ACKS...

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/acks-autarch-added-to-forbidden-topics-list.830945/

Good to see badwrongfun marches on.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Stephen Tannhauser on November 13, 2021, 01:43:10 PM
What about players who want to portray, I don't know, vampires?

Or murderhobos?

With vampires specifically, at least in The Big Vampire Game, it's generally assumed that no PC becomes a vampire by full informed consent, and that particular game also makes it inherently part of the rules that vampires are innately self-destructive. Vampires also have the advantage (in this context) of not actually being real.

Turn it around and use another crime of equal moral turpitude, then: would most people's (I assume) dislike of a game that required its PCs to be drug dealers or sex traffickers be mere "ickyness"?
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Fergurg on November 13, 2021, 03:25:50 PM

In the meantime: https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/kettlehelm-receives-a-🚫-three-day-ban.889512/

They don't even like oblique mentions of ACKS. It's kind of funny in a way.


This called my attention, does anybody know which are the games banned to talk about on TBP? Maybe they are interesting reads...

Even more, does anybody know why they are banned?

In the case of ACKS...

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/acks-autarch-added-to-forbidden-topics-list.830945/

Let’s think about this a minute. It is so important for TBP to call Autarch a Nazi, they are incapable of allowing others to discuss his games without doing so.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Neoplatonist1 on November 13, 2021, 05:09:39 PM
What about players who want to portray, I don't know, vampires?

Or murderhobos?

With vampires specifically, at least in The Big Vampire Game, it's generally assumed that no PC becomes a vampire by full informed consent, and that particular game also makes it inherently part of the rules that vampires are innately self-destructive. Vampires also have the advantage (in this context) of not actually being real.

Unreal, unwilling, and self-destructive or not, it's still presuming player-characters who commit aggravated assault and murder on a regular basis.

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Turn it around and use another crime of equal moral turpitude, then: would most people's (I assume) dislike of a game that required its PCs to be drug dealers or sex traffickers be mere "ickyness"?

I think this is approaching black-and-white thinking. Who wants to play a black game where all evils are ruled in? But, a game can be gray. One might purchase slaves to redeem them, but then never have the opportunity to do so, and find oneself obliged to sell them at a later date. Then one is technically a slave-trader, even though one had the best of intentions.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ghostmaker on November 14, 2021, 12:11:39 AM
If I'm not mistaken, Macris did threaten legal action at one point. And as I've said before, when the legal notices start to roll out, playtime is done.

Of course, they wouldn't have that problem if they didn't make a habit of defaming people.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Kiero on November 14, 2021, 08:34:46 AM
If I'm not mistaken, Macris did threaten legal action at one point. And as I've said before, when the legal notices start to roll out, playtime is done.

Of course, they wouldn't have that problem if they didn't make a habit of defaming people.

He is an actual lawyer and they did defame him. What did they think was going to happen?
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Trond on November 14, 2021, 09:43:17 AM
When it comes to entertainment I'm hardliner: I don't really care if people are playing serial killers or child molesters, as long as they're just saying it (or even drawing it). I might raise an eyebrow at the ickyness, and say that this is not something I'm interested in, but whatever.

I partly agree, partly disagree.  On the one hand fantasy and art are not reality, and don't have the same moral weight.  On the other, what somebody chooses to fantasize about doing, in at least a semi-personally-identifying vicarious way, for his own enjoyment can raise valid warning flags, and there are subjects and courses of fantasized action which invite more such flags than others.

I think it's valid to say that objecting to a player who wants to spend game time on enslaving NPCs and slave-trading, or to a game which encouraged such choices as an expected and prominent course of action for PCs, goes beyond personal ickyness. However, I reject TBP's approach because it's clear they consider even raising such topics to be tantamount to endorsing them, and are reading any reported complaint assuming the worst possible bad faith on the part of whoever is complained about.

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I don't think I have ever heard of a murder spree being inspired by the music of Cannibal Corpse. In fact, I think the general effect is the opposite; entertainment and "blowing off steam" tends to lower our tendency towards violence, and I do have some general observations over time that supports this.

Again, I agree and disagree. For most people fantasy can be a valid and safe way to exorcise antisocial impulses, but there are people for which certain fantasies only serve as fuel for the boiler pressure within rather than as a relief valve -- the fantasies don't create that damage, but they can aggravate it and sometimes disastrously trigger it. It's unfair to assume fantasy is always a direct precursor or indicator of reality, but it's naive to treat them as completely separate and unconnected; one has to get down to brass tacks about specific people before one can make judgements in either direction this way.

TBP's error, as above, is to think it's both possible and morally obligatory to prevent people taking the discussion of fantasy topics to unhealthy directions or extremes by prohibiting any discussion of all of certain topics, on the grounds there can't possibly be enough "healthy" use of them to justify permitting it even in a fantasy environment. This, again, I reject on the grounds that it's a pre-emptive assumption of the worst possible context, without taking specific individuals into account.

What exactly raises red flags in entertainment?

A number of film franchises dwell on topics resembling torture porn. I know several people who wanted to see the movie Cannibal Holocaust because it is supposed to be one of the most extreme, offensive, shocking, and disgusting films ever made. The Gor RPG does have sex slaves (I’m pretty sure based on the source material). I’m not going to tell people not to play it, because next thing you know, someone will come after the games I actually like.

Conversely, one of the world’s worst mass murderers (Breivik) was indeed hooked on some video games, and that fact was much published, but they were completely normal shooter games.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Trond on November 14, 2021, 11:25:07 AM
Oh and before someone objects “what about a movie like Cuties”? Notice that I mentioned talking and drawings earlier, not actual illegal actions or actions that potentially should be illegal, like involving kids in the production of ….whatever that film is.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Reckall on November 14, 2021, 09:45:20 PM
The only objectively offensive thing in Cannibal Holocaust is that the animal slayings are real - but the moviemakers objected that they filmed animal killings by indigenous tribes that would have happened anyway (Apocalypse Now used the same excuse). Most famously, the killings of the "actors" of the "movie within the movie" were so realistic (and the special effects so ingenious for the time) that a judge in Milan ordered to the production to show the actors in court and to re-enact some special effects (one of them, used to show the "impaling" of a woman, is so ingenious that I had no clue about how they did it until I read the explanation).

Re: Cuties it is a strong wannabe movie that wants to be "socially important" but doesn't reach above the level of "meh". And, yes, all the objectionable content is on the screen. I have nothing against *the idea* of 11 years old girls performing sexual dances in a movie: after all you need to portray what you are denouncing. There are, however, 100 cinematic techniques to *convey* the idea without showing it explicitly. There is no nudity, true, but the young girls dress and move in a very sexually explicit way right in front of the camera, and for very long sequences. I was amazed: literally, what were they thinking? ::)
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Fergurg on November 15, 2021, 01:10:25 AM

Re: Cuties it is a strong wannabe movie that wants to be "socially important" but doesn't reach above the level of "meh". And, yes, all the objectionable content is on the screen. I have nothing against *the idea* of 11 years old girls performing sexual dances in a movie: after all you need to portray what you are denouncing. There are, however, 100 cinematic techniques to *convey* the idea without showing it explicitly. There is no nudity, true, but the young girls dress and move in a very sexually explicit way right in front of the camera, and for very long sequences. I was amazed: literally, what were they thinking? ::)

What they were thinking is that America was ready for “preteen girls want to fuck”. They outright said it.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ghostmaker on November 15, 2021, 07:51:41 AM

Re: Cuties it is a strong wannabe movie that wants to be "socially important" but doesn't reach above the level of "meh". And, yes, all the objectionable content is on the screen. I have nothing against *the idea* of 11 years old girls performing sexual dances in a movie: after all you need to portray what you are denouncing. There are, however, 100 cinematic techniques to *convey* the idea without showing it explicitly. There is no nudity, true, but the young girls dress and move in a very sexually explicit way right in front of the camera, and for very long sequences. I was amazed: literally, what were they thinking? ::)

What they were thinking is that America was ready for “preteen girls want to fuck”. They outright said it.
Let's be honest, it's the same mindset that thought it would be a good idea for the San Francisco PedoGay Men's Choir to sing a song about how 'they're coming to convert your children'.

I mean, holy shit, nobody stopped and said 'You know, this really might not be a good idea'?
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: 3catcircus on November 15, 2021, 08:53:22 AM

Re: Cuties it is a strong wannabe movie that wants to be "socially important" but doesn't reach above the level of "meh". And, yes, all the objectionable content is on the screen. I have nothing against *the idea* of 11 years old girls performing sexual dances in a movie: after all you need to portray what you are denouncing. There are, however, 100 cinematic techniques to *convey* the idea without showing it explicitly. There is no nudity, true, but the young girls dress and move in a very sexually explicit way right in front of the camera, and for very long sequences. I was amazed: literally, what were they thinking? ::)

What they were thinking is that America was ready for “preteen girls want to fuck”. They outright said it.
Let's be honest, it's the same mindset that thought it would be a good idea for the San Francisco PedoGay Men's Choir to sing a song about how 'they're coming to convert your children'.

I mean, holy shit, nobody stopped and said 'You know, this really might not be a good idea'?

Which is the same mindset that considers it acceptable to have what is essentially child porn being taught as part of sex ed. classes in schools.  Same mindset that claims rioting is ok but self-defense isn't.  Same mindset that teaches kids that they have to be oppressors or oppressed.  Same mindset that... Well, you already get the idea.

We've continued to be extremely tolerant of extreme left ideas to the point that we've given them an inch and they want 10,000 miles.  Those in positions of authority are afraid to push back for fear of being labeled as intolerant.  No - I've think we've been more than tolerant enough already. Instead of worrying about labels, the response needs to be one of ridicule that leftists would expect that their fucked-up ideas would be accepted to begin with.

I mean, who looks at "hey let's have drag queens read stories to elementary school kids" and goes, "oh, ok. Yeah that makes total sense" other than the mentally ill or the weak-minded? Or someone who says "I'm this other thing that I've invented to feel better about my mental illness that isn't male or female." You either have a penis or you have a vagina.  It doesn't matter what you think you are - that's opinion rather than objective fact.  The *rare* true hermaphrodite is just that - rare.  No one has to acquiesce to your fucked-up belief that you're a female who likes to dress up in male furry animal costumes who is attracted to males that dress up like women somehow makes you not a female...
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ghostmaker on November 15, 2021, 09:34:22 AM
You know, when I was a kid, I wanted to be trans. Transformers, that is.

Ch-ch-ch-ch! *runs around with his arms out like an airplane*

Of course, I was also ten years old.

This kind of supports the idea that a lot of these people have severely arrested development. I'm not talking just 'still collects MtG cards and Transformer toys as a hobby, when he's not busting his ass at work'. A lot of these weirdos... it's like they never grasped basic ideas like work ethic, or wanting to do a good job, or just being yourself. I grant a lot of us have had a long hard road to learning to like the person in the mirror, and we all have flaws, but these are people who never learned these lessons. So now they're empty shells, desperate to fill it with something, ANYTHING.

Back to the topic, here's the explanation for why ACKS and Alex Macris are now Voldemort at TBP: https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/acks-autarch-added-to-forbidden-topics-list.830945/

I'd like to address something about this:
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The posts that Macris was responding to were made by RPGnet volunteers who were acting in their personal capacity as regular posters to this board; they offered their personal opinions on Macris' political allegiances primarily based on his association with Milo Yiannopoulos and used that to suggest that gamers shouldn't support Macris' roleplaying concerns.
Sure they did, Shannon. It's well known that mods on TBP solely speak on their own behalf and do not represent the official views of the forum-- okay, I can't get through that without laughing. What a load of shit. TBP got too close to the sun with their bitching, and got burned. Oh dear.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ratman_tf on November 15, 2021, 09:42:26 AM

Re: Cuties it is a strong wannabe movie that wants to be "socially important" but doesn't reach above the level of "meh". And, yes, all the objectionable content is on the screen. I have nothing against *the idea* of 11 years old girls performing sexual dances in a movie: after all you need to portray what you are denouncing. There are, however, 100 cinematic techniques to *convey* the idea without showing it explicitly. There is no nudity, true, but the young girls dress and move in a very sexually explicit way right in front of the camera, and for very long sequences. I was amazed: literally, what were they thinking? ::)

What they were thinking is that America was ready for “preteen girls want to fuck”. They outright said it.
Let's be honest, it's the same mindset that thought it would be a good idea for the San Francisco PedoGay Men's Choir to sing a song about how 'they're coming to convert your children'.

I mean, holy shit, nobody stopped and said 'You know, this really might not be a good idea'?

Welp, I get to be the resident Cuties defender again. The film clearly and unambiguously portrayed the girls copying adult dances as inappropriate and unacceptable for their age. Adults in the audience at the competition were horrified when their dance routine got out of hand.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: 3catcircus on November 15, 2021, 10:15:13 AM

Re: Cuties it is a strong wannabe movie that wants to be "socially important" but doesn't reach above the level of "meh". And, yes, all the objectionable content is on the screen. I have nothing against *the idea* of 11 years old girls performing sexual dances in a movie: after all you need to portray what you are denouncing. There are, however, 100 cinematic techniques to *convey* the idea without showing it explicitly. There is no nudity, true, but the young girls dress and move in a very sexually explicit way right in front of the camera, and for very long sequences. I was amazed: literally, what were they thinking? ::)

What they were thinking is that America was ready for “preteen girls want to fuck”. They outright said it.
Let's be honest, it's the same mindset that thought it would be a good idea for the San Francisco PedoGay Men's Choir to sing a song about how 'they're coming to convert your children'.

I mean, holy shit, nobody stopped and said 'You know, this really might not be a good idea'?

Welp, I get to be the resident Cuties defender again. The film clearly and unambiguously portrayed the girls copying adult dances as inappropriate and unacceptable for their age. Adults in the audience at the competition were horrified when their dance routine got out of hand.

Doesn't change the fact that you don't need to *show* inappropriate content to make the argument it is inappropriate.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ratman_tf on November 15, 2021, 10:38:36 AM

Re: Cuties it is a strong wannabe movie that wants to be "socially important" but doesn't reach above the level of "meh". And, yes, all the objectionable content is on the screen. I have nothing against *the idea* of 11 years old girls performing sexual dances in a movie: after all you need to portray what you are denouncing. There are, however, 100 cinematic techniques to *convey* the idea without showing it explicitly. There is no nudity, true, but the young girls dress and move in a very sexually explicit way right in front of the camera, and for very long sequences. I was amazed: literally, what were they thinking? ::)

What they were thinking is that America was ready for “preteen girls want to fuck”. They outright said it.
Let's be honest, it's the same mindset that thought it would be a good idea for the San Francisco PedoGay Men's Choir to sing a song about how 'they're coming to convert your children'.

I mean, holy shit, nobody stopped and said 'You know, this really might not be a good idea'?

Welp, I get to be the resident Cuties defender again. The film clearly and unambiguously portrayed the girls copying adult dances as inappropriate and unacceptable for their age. Adults in the audience at the competition were horrified when their dance routine got out of hand.

Doesn't change the fact that you don't need to *show* inappropriate content to make the argument it is inappropriate.

No, but films do this all the time. Scenes of rape and murder. I was far more squicked out by the scene in Gerald's Game that showed a father masturbating while his daughter sat in his lap while watching an eclipse.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: wmarshal on November 15, 2021, 12:35:32 PM

Re: Cuties it is a strong wannabe movie that wants to be "socially important" but doesn't reach above the level of "meh". And, yes, all the objectionable content is on the screen. I have nothing against *the idea* of 11 years old girls performing sexual dances in a movie: after all you need to portray what you are denouncing. There are, however, 100 cinematic techniques to *convey* the idea without showing it explicitly. There is no nudity, true, but the young girls dress and move in a very sexually explicit way right in front of the camera, and for very long sequences. I was amazed: literally, what were they thinking? ::)

What they were thinking is that America was ready for “preteen girls want to fuck”. They outright said it.
Let's be honest, it's the same mindset that thought it would be a good idea for the San Francisco PedoGay Men's Choir to sing a song about how 'they're coming to convert your children'.

I mean, holy shit, nobody stopped and said 'You know, this really might not be a good idea'?

Welp, I get to be the resident Cuties defender again. The film clearly and unambiguously portrayed the girls copying adult dances as inappropriate and unacceptable for their age. Adults in the audience at the competition were horrified when their dance routine got out of hand.

Doesn't change the fact that you don't need to *show* inappropriate content to make the argument it is inappropriate.

No, but films do this all the time. Scenes of rape and murder. I was far more squicked out by the scene in Gerald's Game that showed a father masturbating while his daughter sat in his lap while watching an eclipse.
I’ve not heard of Gerald’s Game. I think it goes immediately into my Will Never Watch list.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Trond on November 15, 2021, 02:13:58 PM

Let's be honest, it's the same mindset that thought it would be a good idea for the San Francisco PedoGay Men's Choir to sing a song about how 'they're coming to convert your children'.

I mean, holy shit, nobody stopped and said 'You know, this really might not be a good idea'?

In so many cases a lot of this stuff is not about anything but getting away with passive aggressive bullshit (and more recently openly aggressive bullshit). Same with all the crap they say about white men (as if black men are any better). The way a lot of it is phrased, packaged, or presented is so obviously not trying to make anything better in any way shape or form. It's a bit like what Jordan Peterson said about Hitler, if what you do tends to lead to destruction, perhaps that was what you aimed for all along.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Reckall on November 15, 2021, 04:16:48 PM

Re: Cuties it is a strong wannabe movie that wants to be "socially important" but doesn't reach above the level of "meh". And, yes, all the objectionable content is on the screen. I have nothing against *the idea* of 11 years old girls performing sexual dances in a movie: after all you need to portray what you are denouncing. There are, however, 100 cinematic techniques to *convey* the idea without showing it explicitly. There is no nudity, true, but the young girls dress and move in a very sexually explicit way right in front of the camera, and for very long sequences. I was amazed: literally, what were they thinking? ::)

What they were thinking is that America was ready for “preteen girls want to fuck”. They outright said it.
Let's be honest, it's the same mindset that thought it would be a good idea for the San Francisco PedoGay Men's Choir to sing a song about how 'they're coming to convert your children'.

I mean, holy shit, nobody stopped and said 'You know, this really might not be a good idea'?

Welp, I get to be the resident Cuties defender again. The film clearly and unambiguously portrayed the girls copying adult dances as inappropriate and unacceptable for their age. Adults in the audience at the competition were horrified when their dance routine got out of hand.

My main problem with "Cuties" is that it is not a good movie at all. It is boring, shallow and unfocused. On the top of it the underage sexual content is explicit. In a way, it gave to the movie a visibility that it doesn't deserves. Had they shot the sexual content in an appropriate manner it would still remain a solid "meh".
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ghostmaker on November 16, 2021, 10:20:20 AM
Paradim eats a month for having the nerve to question racial subtexts in the Rittenhouse case.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/paradim-receives-a-%F0%9F%9A%AB-thirty-day-ban-racism.889645/

Oh, Paradim. You should know better.

EDIT: The thread posts regarding Rittenhouse are also amazingly bitter and unhappy. Cope and seethe, TBP.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: wmarshal on November 16, 2021, 10:56:12 AM
Paradim eats a month for having the nerve to question racial subtexts in the Rittenhouse case.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/paradim-receives-a-%F0%9F%9A%AB-thirty-day-ban-racism.889645/

Oh, Paradim. You should know better.

EDIT: The thread posts regarding Rittenhouse are also amazingly bitter and unhappy. Cope and seethe, TBP.
The danger is every thread at TBP can be suddenly treated as an “A-game” thread if even a part of the discussion runs counter to a mod’s preferred narrative. Paradim was speaking to the specific lack of charges related to crossing state lines, and how even if Rittenhouse was black the prosecution wouldn’t be able to make a charge related to crossing state lines. Noting that Rittenhouse’s attorneys may have mounted a strong defense in a trial runs counter to the mod’s goodthink that no such defense could be mounted as that would preclude them being able to solely blame racism if Rittenhouse is found not guilty. Anything that looks like badthink has to be punished and made forbidden at TBP. It doesn’t matter that several leftist commentators have noted that Rittenhouse’s attorneys have mounted a strong defense, that very possibility must be discounted by the mods.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: wmarshal on November 16, 2021, 02:35:47 PM
EDIT: The thread posts regarding Rittenhouse are also amazingly bitter and unhappy. Cope and seethe, TBP.
That’s one are where we differ. Within the insane constraints of TBP I’m trying to prick the bubble of their echo chamber, so that if an acquittal (and that seems a strong possibility) does occur that some of the members at TBP don’t lose their shit to the point of needing to call a suicide hotline. A lot of them are still of a mind that Rittenhouse committed a crime crossing a state line. The more even the idea that an acquittal can occur I think the better able they’ll be able to handle it. The latest misconception I’ve seen over there is that the possession charge was dropped because the court allowed him to use a hunting exemption (“OMG, the racist court is saying it’s legal to hunt and kill liberals!”), when what’s happened is that the judge decided to stick with a strict and literal reading of the law. It wasn’t clear at the start of the trial that thr judge would.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ghostmaker on November 16, 2021, 02:43:43 PM
EDIT: The thread posts regarding Rittenhouse are also amazingly bitter and unhappy. Cope and seethe, TBP.
That’s one are where we differ. Within the insane constraints of TBP I’m trying to prick the bubble of their echo chamber, so that if an acquittal (and that seems a strong possibility) does occur that some of the members at TBP don’t lose their shit to the point of needing to call a suicide hotline. A lot of them are still of a mind that Rittenhouse committed a crime crossing a state line. The more even the idea that an acquittal can occur I think the better able they’ll be able to handle it. The latest misconception I’ve seen over there is that the possession charge was dropped because the court allowed him to use a hunting exemption (“OMG, the racist court is saying it’s legal to hunt and kill liberals!”), when what’s happened is that the judge decided to stick with a strict and literal reading of the law. It wasn’t clear at the start of the trial that thr judge would.
I bear you no ill will and wish you the best of luck.

But I'm not gonna hold my breath either.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: wmarshal on November 16, 2021, 02:55:40 PM
EDIT: The thread posts regarding Rittenhouse are also amazingly bitter and unhappy. Cope and seethe, TBP.
That’s one are where we differ. Within the insane constraints of TBP I’m trying to prick the bubble of their echo chamber, so that if an acquittal (and that seems a strong possibility) does occur that some of the members at TBP don’t lose their shit to the point of needing to call a suicide hotline. A lot of them are still of a mind that Rittenhouse committed a crime crossing a state line. The more even the idea that an acquittal can occur I think the better able they’ll be able to handle it. The latest misconception I’ve seen over there is that the possession charge was dropped because the court allowed him to use a hunting exemption (“OMG, the racist court is saying it’s legal to hunt and kill liberals!”), when what’s happened is that the judge decided to stick with a strict and literal reading of the law. It wasn’t clear at the start of the trial that thr judge would.
I bear you no ill will and wish you the best of luck.

But I'm not gonna hold my breath either.
Thank you. I’m sure at some point I’ll get the Rule 0 treatment, but it’s hard to not attempt to stop them from driving off a cliff. I have no illusions about changing their overall worldview, but everyone would be better off the more they can even conceive of a different worldview that they cannot simply and automatically dismiss as badthink.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: SHARK on November 16, 2021, 03:06:42 PM
EDIT: The thread posts regarding Rittenhouse are also amazingly bitter and unhappy. Cope and seethe, TBP.
That’s one are where we differ. Within the insane constraints of TBP I’m trying to prick the bubble of their echo chamber, so that if an acquittal (and that seems a strong possibility) does occur that some of the members at TBP don’t lose their shit to the point of needing to call a suicide hotline. A lot of them are still of a mind that Rittenhouse committed a crime crossing a state line. The more even the idea that an acquittal can occur I think the better able they’ll be able to handle it. The latest misconception I’ve seen over there is that the possession charge was dropped because the court allowed him to use a hunting exemption (“OMG, the racist court is saying it’s legal to hunt and kill liberals!”), when what’s happened is that the judge decided to stick with a strict and literal reading of the law. It wasn’t clear at the start of the trial that thr judge would.
I bear you no ill will and wish you the best of luck.

But I'm not gonna hold my breath either.
Thank you. I’m sure at some point I’ll get the Rule 0 treatment, but it’s hard to not attempt to stop them from driving off a cliff. I have no illusions about changing their overall worldview, but everyone would be better off the more they can even conceive of a different worldview that they cannot simply and automatically dismiss as badthink.

Greetings!

I hope everyone over at TBP drive themselves off a cliff when Rittenhouse is acquitted in court. I hope they all have seizures of rage and absolute despair. Let them weep, and sob hysterically, and gnash their teeth with endless impotency and anguish.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ratman_tf on November 16, 2021, 03:16:15 PM
EDIT: The thread posts regarding Rittenhouse are also amazingly bitter and unhappy. Cope and seethe, TBP.
That’s one are where we differ. Within the insane constraints of TBP I’m trying to prick the bubble of their echo chamber, so that if an acquittal (and that seems a strong possibility) does occur that some of the members at TBP don’t lose their shit to the point of needing to call a suicide hotline. A lot of them are still of a mind that Rittenhouse committed a crime crossing a state line. The more even the idea that an acquittal can occur I think the better able they’ll be able to handle it. The latest misconception I’ve seen over there is that the possession charge was dropped because the court allowed him to use a hunting exemption (“OMG, the racist court is saying it’s legal to hunt and kill liberals!”), when what’s happened is that the judge decided to stick with a strict and literal reading of the law. It wasn’t clear at the start of the trial that thr judge would.

Their bubble has morphed into a giant solid iron sphere. We've seen people try to talk sense into them, and it only results in a ban and a double down (triple down, quadruple down...) on their stance.

I'm not saying, don't try. But I am saying don't get your hopes up.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: 3catcircus on November 16, 2021, 03:25:41 PM
EDIT: The thread posts regarding Rittenhouse are also amazingly bitter and unhappy. Cope and seethe, TBP.
That’s one are where we differ. Within the insane constraints of TBP I’m trying to prick the bubble of their echo chamber, so that if an acquittal (and that seems a strong possibility) does occur that some of the members at TBP don’t lose their shit to the point of needing to call a suicide hotline. A lot of them are still of a mind that Rittenhouse committed a crime crossing a state line. The more even the idea that an acquittal can occur I think the better able they’ll be able to handle it. The latest misconception I’ve seen over there is that the possession charge was dropped because the court allowed him to use a hunting exemption (“OMG, the racist court is saying it’s legal to hunt and kill liberals!”), when what’s happened is that the judge decided to stick with a strict and literal reading of the law. It wasn’t clear at the start of the trial that thr judge would.

Their bubble has morphed into a giant solid iron sphere. We've seen people try to talk sense into them, and it only results in a ban and a double down (triple down, quadruple down...) on their stance.

I'm not saying, don't try. But I am saying don't get your hopes up.

When is their domain name up for renewal?
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Stephen Tannhauser on November 16, 2021, 04:00:55 PM
I think this is approaching black-and-white thinking. Who wants to play a black game where all evils are ruled in? But, a game can be gray. One might purchase slaves to redeem them, but then never have the opportunity to do so, and find oneself obliged to sell them at a later date. Then one is technically a slave-trader, even though one had the best of intentions.

True. But the difference there is between what a game's setting makes possible for particular groups, and what its rules or basic assumptions encourage or mandate for players in general.

TBP is operating on the assumption that allowing the former amounts to the latter. I'm pointing out that it's a consistent position to object to the latter while still allowing room for the former.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Stephen Tannhauser on November 16, 2021, 04:25:10 PM
What exactly raises red flags in entertainment?

A number of film franchises dwell on topics resembling torture porn. I know several people who wanted to see the movie Cannibal Holocaust because it is supposed to be one of the most extreme, offensive, shocking, and disgusting films ever made. The Gor RPG does have sex slaves (I’m pretty sure based on the source material). I’m not going to tell people not to play it, because next thing you know, someone will come after the games I actually like.

Veering away from the Cuties sub-topic and back towards RPGs specifically, I'd observe that one critical difference between books and movies vs. RPGs is that the latter involve active, participatory choices on the players' part; they're not just watching the protagonists' choices and the consequences, they're making those choices and deriving reward from those consequences -- on an imaginary and vicarious level only, it is true, but the type of psychological engagement is different.

The psychological reward can be different as well. Your example of the PC who is only technically a "slave-trader" through an unsuccessful attempt to free purchased slaves would be different from a player who engaged in the activity solely to make his PC rich, especially if that player (through his PC) appeared to be gleefully enjoying the fantasy of treating his imaginary slaves as badly or worse than real slavers treated their captives. Because it's all still wholly imaginary, there cannot really be an objective moral criticism of the second PC's actions or their consequences, but the slaver PC's player can't really claim surprise or insult when most people find that kind of fantasy repellent and offputting, either.

So I suppose the red flags are less a matter strictly of content in the entertainment, and more a matter of how the content is depicted, as well as what's observed when particular people interact with particular types of content. To depict is not to endorse, but some creative products do go as far as they can to endorse things without explicitly saying so, simply by virtue of the assumptions and actions they attribute to (ostensibly) sympathetic protagonists.  Any game or story has to have an antagonist/villain; it's when the games/stories treat the protagonists' ends as justifying means like those of the antagonist/villain that counts as a red flag, for me. (And even a red flag is only a warning, not a judgement.)
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ratman_tf on November 16, 2021, 04:30:40 PM
EDIT: The thread posts regarding Rittenhouse are also amazingly bitter and unhappy. Cope and seethe, TBP.
That’s one are where we differ. Within the insane constraints of TBP I’m trying to prick the bubble of their echo chamber, so that if an acquittal (and that seems a strong possibility) does occur that some of the members at TBP don’t lose their shit to the point of needing to call a suicide hotline. A lot of them are still of a mind that Rittenhouse committed a crime crossing a state line. The more even the idea that an acquittal can occur I think the better able they’ll be able to handle it. The latest misconception I’ve seen over there is that the possession charge was dropped because the court allowed him to use a hunting exemption (“OMG, the racist court is saying it’s legal to hunt and kill liberals!”), when what’s happened is that the judge decided to stick with a strict and literal reading of the law. It wasn’t clear at the start of the trial that thr judge would.

Their bubble has morphed into a giant solid iron sphere. We've seen people try to talk sense into them, and it only results in a ban and a double down (triple down, quadruple down...) on their stance.

I'm not saying, don't try. But I am saying don't get your hopes up.

When is their domain name up for renewal?

*shrug*
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Fergurg on November 16, 2021, 06:01:37 PM
EDIT: The thread posts regarding Rittenhouse are also amazingly bitter and unhappy. Cope and seethe, TBP.
That’s one are where we differ. Within the insane constraints of TBP I’m trying to prick the bubble of their echo chamber, so that if an acquittal (and that seems a strong possibility) does occur that some of the members at TBP don’t lose their shit to the point of needing to call a suicide hotline. A lot of them are still of a mind that Rittenhouse committed a crime crossing a state line. The more even the idea that an acquittal can occur I think the better able they’ll be able to handle it. The latest misconception I’ve seen over there is that the possession charge was dropped because the court allowed him to use a hunting exemption (“OMG, the racist court is saying it’s legal to hunt and kill liberals!”), when what’s happened is that the judge decided to stick with a strict and literal reading of the law. It wasn’t clear at the start of the trial that thr judge would.

Their bubble has morphed into a giant solid iron sphere. We've seen people try to talk sense into them, and it only results in a ban and a double down (triple down, quadruple down...) on their stance.

I'm not saying, don't try. But I am saying don't get your hopes up.

Well, I am saying “don’t try!” These are people (technically) that know that not only are aware of being in a bubble that bans unapproved thoughts, but they praise said bubble.

Jesus Christ Himself said not to throw what is precious to swine, because the swine will trample them. Then you.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Reckall on November 16, 2021, 06:04:42 PM
Thank you. I’m sure at some point I’ll get the Rule 0 treatment, but it’s hard to not attempt to stop them from driving off a cliff.

In my experience, trying to stop someone from driving off a cliff only ends up with you off the same cliff. Just stop and enjoy the show.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: wmarshal on November 16, 2021, 06:21:05 PM
Thank you. I’m sure at some point I’ll get the Rule 0 treatment, but it’s hard to not attempt to stop them from driving off a cliff.

In my experience, trying to stop someone from driving off a cliff only ends up with you off the same cliff. Just stop and enjoy the show.
You might be correct. As I posted in the trial thread there are posters at TBP that somehow believe the people Rittenhouse shot were black. The echo chamber they’ve formed may indeed be made of iron. How in the world anyone could be so misinformed is beyond my comprehension.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/mostly-us-non-election-law-stuff-megathread-iii-more-things-you-never-want-to-hear-a-judge-say.883092/post-24131826
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: DM_Curt on November 16, 2021, 11:06:07 PM
I appear to have caught a ban for calling Rosenbaum a Pedo, Huber a Domestic Abuser and Grosskreutz a Burglar.

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...for the following reasons: Rules Violations.

Hahaha ha. That's not a reason.  1 week.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Neoplatonist1 on November 16, 2021, 11:23:03 PM
I think this is approaching black-and-white thinking. Who wants to play a black game where all evils are ruled in? But, a game can be gray. One might purchase slaves to redeem them, but then never have the opportunity to do so, and find oneself obliged to sell them at a later date. Then one is technically a slave-trader, even though one had the best of intentions.

True. But the difference there is between what a game's setting makes possible for particular groups, and what its rules or basic assumptions encourage or mandate for players in general.

TBP is operating on the assumption that allowing the former amounts to the latter. I'm pointing out that it's a consistent position to object to the latter while still allowing room for the former.

I think we agree, then.

Some more musing:

I recall a game, Circus Imperium or somesuch set in the Renegade Legion universe, where you as charioteer had the option of whipping your beasts to get them to run faster. Each time you whipped your beasts, a roll was made to see if they turned on you and ate you. Black humor, baked in, but can one object?

What about the infinite number of war games (board games, I mean) where we used to jest about how we're sending some more canon fodder infantry into the fray. Again, baked in. I'm not even analyzing videogames with their unending queue of ritually acceptable killables.

Or that board game, Blood Royale, where the royal families can make rolls to see how many children the queen can pump out in a five year span without dying.

A pirate game where pirates sack towns and take treasure and slaves sounds about the same level of odium as that card game where the players portray pimps with their stables of sex slaves.* I'd rather play the pirate game.

* I recall the RPGnet fascists saying things like, "If you can't distinguish between a game featuring Hollywood pimps and the Holocaust, I can't pity you enough" They're full of pity, that lot.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Tait Ransom on November 16, 2021, 11:42:46 PM
I appear to have caught a ban for calling Rosenbaum a Pedo, Huber a Domestic Abuser and Grosskreutz a Burglar.

Quote
...for the following reasons: Rules Violations.

Hahaha ha. That's not a reason.  1 week.

The Kenosha Hat Trick!
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: DM_Curt on November 16, 2021, 11:58:47 PM
I appear to have caught a ban for calling Rosenbaum a Pedo, Huber a Domestic Abuser and Grosskreutz a Burglar.

Quote
...for the following reasons: Rules Violations.

Hahaha ha. That's not a reason.  1 week.

The Kenosha Hat Trick!

3 random Antifa are polled and all 3 are felonious scumbags. It's almost like there's a Type, or something.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ghostmaker on November 17, 2021, 06:14:44 AM
Supposedly, they found guy #4, aka 'Jump Kick Man'.

To absolutely no one's surprise, he was out on probation following a conviction for domestic violence, and he's got a nice long rap sheet.

I mean, this is almost ludicrous. Everyone who was attacking Rittenhouse and was subsequently shot at is turning out to be at best contemptible and at worse 'born to hang'. If you'd slotted this angle into a story I'd have laughed it off as unrealistic.

I want to address something from Funkadelic's sanctimonious snark at DM Curt here.

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People's past behavior, doesn't excuse shooting them in the street.
No, it doesn't, but at the same time certain lefties really need to rethink this painting of people as 'heroes'.

They weren't heroes. They were NEVER heroes. Their actions, right up until they were shot, were not heroic.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Godfather Punk on November 17, 2021, 06:51:43 AM
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People's past behavior, doesn't excuse shooting them in the street.
But people's 10-year old juvenile blog posts justify cancelling them and running them out of the industry/hobby...
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: FelixGamingX1 on November 17, 2021, 07:17:27 AM
I appear to have caught a ban for calling Rosenbaum a Pedo, Huber a Domestic Abuser and Grosskreutz a Burglar.

Quote
...for the following reasons: Rules Violations.

Hahaha ha. That's not a reason.  1 week.

The Kenosha Hat Trick!

Lmfao! What Tucker Carlson said about the guy was even more hilarious.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Stephen Tannhauser on November 17, 2021, 09:46:11 AM
Quote
People's past behavior, doesn't excuse shooting them in the street.
But people's 10-year old juvenile blog posts justify cancelling them and running them out of the industry/hobby...

Take a Win-the-Internet point, if you collect them.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Stephen Tannhauser on November 17, 2021, 10:11:29 AM
I recall a game, Circus Imperium or somesuch set in the Renegade Legion universe, where you as charioteer had the option of whipping your beasts to get them to run faster. Each time you whipped your beasts, a roll was made to see if they turned on you and ate you. Black humor, baked in, but can one object?

Well, at least the beasts get a chance to get their own back at you. That redresses my sense of justice somewhat. :)

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...A pirate game where pirates sack towns and take treasure and slaves sounds about the same level of odium as that card game where the players portray pimps with their stables of sex slaves.* I'd rather play the pirate game.

Or Cards Against Humanity, which is deliberately structured to create amusement through completing phrases as offensively as possible. I've never played it myself, but I can easily imagine hitting some card combo that would squick me out enough to seriously mitigate the fun factor (and if I suspected another player was picking combos in a deliberate attempt to offend me personally, that would be reason enough never to play with that person again).

(In case nobody has noticed, I have a very large streak of priggish prude in my nature, but I at least try to admit it and compensate for it.)

It basically comes down to a fundamental question: Should seriously immoral or criminal activities be treated as fit subjects for jokes or sympathetic entertainment, especially if the result of doing so is at best to teach audiences to dismiss those issues as insignificant, and at worst may actually wind up encouraging audiences to partake in them?  One can wholly support the right of free speech that says no law should attempt to restrict this, while still making an argument for supporting cultural mores that discourage it. I have no problem with a game like Pimp! existing, so long as it has the appropriate warning labels, it isn't sold to children, and I have the right to say what I think of it and to ignore its fans gushing about it without putting my freedom or livelihood at stake.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: 3catcircus on November 17, 2021, 10:23:12 AM
I recall a game, Circus Imperium or somesuch set in the Renegade Legion universe, where you as charioteer had the option of whipping your beasts to get them to run faster. Each time you whipped your beasts, a roll was made to see if they turned on you and ate you. Black humor, baked in, but can one object?

Well, at least the beasts get a chance to get their own back at you. That redresses my sense of justice somewhat. :)

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...A pirate game where pirates sack towns and take treasure and slaves sounds about the same level of odium as that card game where the players portray pimps with their stables of sex slaves.* I'd rather play the pirate game.

Or Cards Against Humanity, which is deliberately structured to create amusement through completing phrases as offensively as possible. I've never played it myself, but I can easily imagine hitting some card combo that would squick me out enough to seriously mitigate the fun factor (and if I suspected another player was picking combos in a deliberate attempt to offend me personally, that would be reason enough never to play with that person again).

(In case nobody has noticed, I have a very large streak of priggish prude in my nature, but I at least try to admit it and compensate for it.)

It basically comes down to a fundamental question: Should seriously immoral or criminal activities be treated as fit subjects for jokes or sympathetic entertainment, especially if the result of doing so is at best to teach audiences to dismiss those issues as insignificant, and at worst may actually wind up encouraging audiences to partake in them?  One can wholly support the right of free speech that says no law should attempt to restrict this, while still making an argument for supporting cultural mores that discourage it. I have no problem with a game like Pimp! existing, so long as it has the appropriate warning labels, it isn't sold to children, and I have the right to say what I think of it and to ignore its fans gushing about it without putting my freedom or livelihood at stake.

That's why games like Cards Against Humanity ( I have played it, you can get some seriously fucked-up results) should only be played by adults who (1) are mature enough to understand that trying to elicit a response for you to win that round isn't tacit approval of the concept associated with the result, and (2) by adults who are intelligent enough to be able to come up with fucked up concepts to begin with.

I recently played a game of CAH a few weeks ago.  During one round, the holder of the black card read off the phrase "She's up all night for romance, I'm up all night for ____." The winner of that round threw in a white card that read "...whatever you wish, mother.'

Seriously fucked up concepts involving the idea of a man sleeping with his own mother - but everyone playing already understands that it is intended to elicit the holder of the black card to pick the most humorous, disgusting, or twisted result of pairing the black card with the white card, not to elicit an acceptance or tolerance of, in this case, incest...
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Neoplatonist1 on November 18, 2021, 11:23:55 AM
Or Cards Against Humanity, which is deliberately structured to create amusement through completing phrases as offensively as possible. I've never played it myself, but I can easily imagine hitting some card combo that would squick me out enough to seriously mitigate the fun factor (and if I suspected another player was picking combos in a deliberate attempt to offend me personally, that would be reason enough never to play with that person again).

Oh, that damned game. Yes, I've played it. I told my friends I never want to be exposed to that game again. Some people seem to think that any horridly disgusting thing is fair play so long at it's portrayed "ironically". A game like that is indeed against humanity.

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(In case nobody has noticed, I have a very large streak of priggish prude in my nature, but I at least try to admit it and compensate for it.)

It basically comes down to a fundamental question: Should seriously immoral or criminal activities be treated as fit subjects for jokes or sympathetic entertainment, especially if the result of doing so is at best to teach audiences to dismiss those issues as insignificant, and at worst may actually wind up encouraging audiences to partake in them?  One can wholly support the right of free speech that says no law should attempt to restrict this, while still making an argument for supporting cultural mores that discourage it. I have no problem with a game like Pimp! existing, so long as it has the appropriate warning labels, it isn't sold to children, and I have the right to say what I think of it and to ignore its fans gushing about it without putting my freedom or livelihood at stake.

Yes, that's about it. Unless, we want to get Platonic about the thing and build our ideal republic, but, in that case, I fear that all gaming will be dispensed with. Until we get serious about that, then, in this matter I think we are agreed.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ghostmaker on November 18, 2021, 03:02:03 PM
Some of you may remember that Silvercat Moonpaw ate a (frankly ridiculous) 30 day ban for pointing out how in some mythologies (Greek specifically) you made sacrifice to placate the gods.

This, of course, gave Bcaugust54 a fit of the vapors. https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/silvercat-moonpaw-receives-a-%F0%9F%9A%AB-thirty-day-ban-group-attacks-involving-religion.888271/

Well, Silvercat had to roll up a new account to get staff's attention because mysteriously, his/her/whatever's password didn't work, and the password recovery system wasn't functioning.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/silvercat-moonpaw-who-is-me-cant-recover-their-password.889731/

How curious. I wouldn't comment normally but it resembles what happened with Justin Alexander.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Neoplatonist1 on November 18, 2021, 05:23:51 PM
Some of you may remember that Silvercat Moonpaw ate a (frankly ridiculous) 30 day ban for pointing out how in some mythologies (Greek specifically) you made sacrifice to placate the gods.

This, of course, gave Bcaugust54 a fit of the vapors. https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/silvercat-moonpaw-receives-a-%F0%9F%9A%AB-thirty-day-ban-group-attacks-involving-religion.888271/

Well, Silvercat had to roll up a new account to get staff's attention because mysteriously, his/her/whatever's password didn't work, and the password recovery system wasn't functioning.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/silvercat-moonpaw-who-is-me-cant-recover-their-password.889731/

How curious. I wouldn't comment normally but it resembles what happened with Justin Alexander.

TPB love their mortarboard and pointing stick, don't they?

All they banned me for was asking whether a professional boxer could crack an attack dog's skull in a fight. I didn't last a week there.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Stephen Tannhauser on November 18, 2021, 06:29:11 PM
Oh, that damned game. Yes, I've played it. I told my friends I never want to be exposed to that game again. Some people seem to think that any horridly disgusting thing is fair play so long at it's portrayed "ironically". A game like that is indeed against humanity.

I'm a bit more wishy-washy myself. I can easily imagine being outraged by some combos, but I can also easily imagine finding some of them hysterically funny. The example provided on Wikipedia, for example, was (black card): "Here is the church / Here is the steeple / Open the door / And see _________", and (white card): "A debate with Richard Dawkins." I'm a Catholic who thinks very little of Dawkins as a philosopher and deeply resents the damage he's trying to do to religion, but I still had to stifle a snort at that one.

It may be a moral flaw to find offensive humour funny, but that's one of those motes I think very few people can completely get out of their own eyes first. Again, it comes down to a context of trust and good faith; it's exactly because people are assumed to be "in on the joke" with each other that members of particular groups can insult each other with group slurs and find it funny, but outsiders can't.

Critical Privilege Theory (to broaden it to its full range of context), which TBP has clearly committed to, takes as a foundational principle the refusal to assume good faith, hence the Critical part. Their mistake is the failure to realize that you can't build a community without at some point relying on assumed good faith.  Like the Dwarves in The Last Battle, they have become so determined not to be taken in by others' bad faith that they cannot be taken out of their own.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: wmarshal on November 19, 2021, 07:24:27 AM
https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/looking-for-well-worded-lines-of-reasoning-for-discussion-with-friend-who-believes-the-cancel-culture-is-a-threat-concept.889743/

At TBP they’ve moved from “There’s no such thing as Cancel Culture” to admitting cancel culture exists, but it’s not a threat. I suppose it’s a positive thing that they’re no longer trying to gaslight people that cancel culture doesn’t exist. It’s also sad that there are members who have to go to the internet to ask for help from their fellow members as to how to make an argument. It’s also pathetic that many of the respondents are “Woe is us, cancel culture mostly targets us lefties, if only we could cancel the normals!”
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Kiero on November 19, 2021, 01:46:21 PM
Are the woketards crying over on The Purple Shithole over the Rittenhouse verdict?
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: rgalex on November 19, 2021, 01:53:01 PM
Are the woketards crying over on The Purple Shithole over the Rittenhouse verdict?

Yep.

American Legal system is dead.  Burn it all down.

Being an idiot doesn't absolve someone of murder.

Sick of this damned country.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: wmarshal on November 19, 2021, 02:59:54 PM
Are the woketards crying over on The Purple Shithole over the Rittenhouse verdict?

Yep.

American Legal system is dead.  Burn it all down.

Being an idiot doesn't absolve someone of murder.

Sick of this damned country.
They locked the thread. Said they were getting a lot of reports. I was the only one that posted positively regarding the verdict, so 1 guess as to who is getting reported. I’m not sure what I’d be reported for. If they can’t find a violation I’m sure the mods will come up with a new rule. “No support for self-defense allowed on this forum!” Might be an approach they take.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Fergurg on November 19, 2021, 03:14:39 PM
They could use Rule 0, which is “we don’t like you. “ They will more likely say that because you said something about someone who opposed BLM, you must be a RACIST.

It happened with someone critical of Facebook’s censorship. Even though that post writer explicitly said he did not like Trump, he was concerned about the precedent being set. They banned him because in their logic, being against someone that is acting against Trump is the same as supporting Trump which is the same as being a Nazi.

TLDR: your time there is over.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: wmarshal on November 19, 2021, 03:22:08 PM
They could use Rule 0, which is “we don’t like you. “ They will more likely say that because you said something about someone who opposed BLM, you must be a RACIST.

It happened with someone critical of Facebook’s censorship. Even though that post writer explicitly said he did not like Trump, he was concerned about the precedent being set. They banned him because in their logic, being against someone that is acting against Trump is the same as supporting Trump which is the same as being a Nazi.

TLDR: your time there is over.
Quite possibly. I know that anything I post there will be reviewed for any possible offense. I think I may refrain for a year or more to avoid providing any future violations if I’m on their radar. They may just decide to retroactively increase one of my previous infractions. I don’t have many infractions and they were a while ago, but whoever is reviewing any reports on me at TBP is hopefully going to put some creative effort into their justification. A Rule 0 ban would just be boring, but as far as I can tell I haven’t violated any of their rules.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Kiero on November 19, 2021, 03:26:48 PM
Quite possibly. I know that anything I post there will be reviewed for any possible offense. I think I may refrain for a year or more to avoid providing any future violations if I’m on their radar. They may just decide to retroactively increase one of my previous infractions. I don’t have many infractions and they were a while ago, but whoever is reviewing any reports on me at TBP is hopefully going to put some creative effort into their justification. A Rule 0 ban would just be boring, but as far as I can tell I haven’t violated any of their rules.

Careful, they sometimes use things you post over here as justification for a Rule 0 ban.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: wmarshal on November 19, 2021, 03:46:11 PM
Quite possibly. I know that anything I post there will be reviewed for any possible offense. I think I may refrain for a year or more to avoid providing any future violations if I’m on their radar. They may just decide to retroactively increase one of my previous infractions. I don’t have many infractions and they were a while ago, but whoever is reviewing any reports on me at TBP is hopefully going to put some creative effort into their justification. A Rule 0 ban would just be boring, but as far as I can tell I haven’t violated any of their rules.

Careful, they sometimes use things you post over here as justification for a Rule 0 ban.
I tried to make sure I followed the rules. My intent was to pierce any echo chamber (they have members who think Rittenhouse shot black people) they had on the Rittenhouse trial so that there’d be less of a meltdown over there. I’m positive if their echo chamber didn’t receive any pinpricks the meltdown would be worse. Sure many of their members are mad, but hopefully they’re less in shock.

If not for the pinpricks I think we’d be seeing some meltdowns similar to those by the Clinton supporters during the election night of 2016. My guy, Gary Johnson, lost, but it was also in my mind that a Trump victory was in the realm of possibility, so I wasn’t shocked when he won, but I had liberal friends who were traumatized. That wasn’t pleasant thing to see up close. So long as the TBP’s rules are followed they ought to be grateful that their echo chamber gets pierced on occasion. We shall see.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: 3catcircus on November 19, 2021, 04:02:10 PM
Quite possibly. I know that anything I post there will be reviewed for any possible offense. I think I may refrain for a year or more to avoid providing any future violations if I’m on their radar. They may just decide to retroactively increase one of my previous infractions. I don’t have many infractions and they were a while ago, but whoever is reviewing any reports on me at TBP is hopefully going to put some creative effort into their justification. A Rule 0 ban would just be boring, but as far as I can tell I haven’t violated any of their rules.

Careful, they sometimes use things you post over here as justification for a Rule 0 ban.
I tried to make sure I followed the rules. My intent was to pierce any echo chamber (they have members who think Rittenhouse shot black people) they had on the Rittenhouse trial so that there’d be less of a meltdown over there. I’m positive if their echo chamber didn’t receive any pinpricks the meltdown would be worse. Sure many of their members are mad, but hopefully they’re less in shock.

If not for the pinpricks I think we’d be seeing some meltdowns similar to those by the Clinton supporters during the election night of 2016. My guy, Gary Johnson, lost, but it was also in my mind that a Trump victory was in the realm of possibility, so I wasn’t shocked when he won, but I had liberal friends who were traumatized. That wasn’t pleasant thing to see up close. So long as the TBP’s rules are followed they ought to be grateful that their echo chamber gets pierced on occasion. We shall see.

You can't fix stupid...  These people are unable to think on any level other than emotionally.  They're definitely all suffering from arrested development and when things don't go the way they want, they engage in tantrums.  Instead of caving in when they do the equivalent f threatening to his they're breath, let them hold it until they pass out.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ghostmaker on November 19, 2021, 05:29:20 PM
I'm currently getting HTTP 500 errors when trying to access TBP.

I wonder if they finally lost their minds.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: DM_Curt on November 19, 2021, 05:59:09 PM
Are the woketards crying over on The Purple Shithole over the Rittenhouse verdict?

Yep.

American Legal system is dead.  Burn it all down.

Being an idiot doesn't absolve someone of murder.

Sick of this damned country.
They locked the thread. Said they were getting a lot of reports. I was the only one that posted positively regarding the verdict, so 1 guess as to who is getting reported. I’m not sure what I’d be reported for. If they can’t find a violation I’m sure the mods will come up with a new rule. “No support for self-defense allowed on this forum!” Might be an approach they take.
Probably reporting me, for calling the 3 shot "the pedophile, the domestic Abuser and the burglar". But Probably you too, just for having a different view.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Kiero on November 19, 2021, 06:05:07 PM
Probably reporting me, for calling the 3 shot "the pedophile, the domestic Abuser and the burglar". But Probably you too, just for having a different view.

Clearly you should have said "child rapist, wife-beater and thief".
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Willmark on November 19, 2021, 07:14:31 PM
I'm currently getting HTTP 500 errors when trying to access TBP.

I wonder if they finally lost their minds.
I always get that when I have my VPN on; apparently they don't like it when one tries to kept them at arms length.

Also of note they closed the legal thread because it was a "hard verdict"?

I fail to see how a young man exercising his right to self defense and the jury exonerating him of all charges (BS ones at that) is a "hard verdict"? Then again we are talking about TBP.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: DM_Curt on November 19, 2021, 07:41:59 PM
Probably reporting me, for calling the 3 shot "the pedophile, the domestic Abuser and the burglar". But Probably you too, just for having a different view.

Clearly you should have said "child rapist, wife-beater and thief".
I should have said "OMAP, Equality-based Melee Enthusiast and Social Redistributionist."
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ghostmaker on November 19, 2021, 08:42:25 PM
This comment was particularly absurd, in response to your remarks: https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/mostly-us-non-election-law-stuff-megathread-iii-more-things-you-never-want-to-hear-a-judge-say.883092/post-24135729

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Personally, I'm thinking of Michael Reinoehl, a Portland antifa supporter who also claimed self-defense in the protest-related shooting death of Aaron Danielson, a supporter of Patriot Prayer.

Mr. Reinoehl never made it to court. He was murdered by a federal fugitive task force, who reportedly didn't give him a chance to surrender. Witnesses describe them opening fire without warning, and despite the sheriff's office investigation determining he initiated a firefight with police, independent investigators determined that his weapon was fully loaded when recovered afterward, and there is no police account of his drawing or pointing a weapon.

I'm pleased Rittenhouse wasn't murdered by police in Kenosha after killing two people. I don't think he should be acquitted, especially since he was previously in a state of mind to protect property by shooting at protestors. I'm of the opinion that the people he killed were acting in self-defense against him, and that his acquittal is a travesty of justice.
He fucking assassinated Danielson. Walked up and shot him dead. And then decided to commit suicide by cop by trying to shoot it out with U.S. Marshals.

https://www.ibtimes.sg/cctv-footage-reveals-michael-reinoehl-stalked-jay-danielson-did-not-kill-self-defense-51183

These people live in an entirely different world. And I'm getting really tired of their gaslighting.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: 3catcircus on November 21, 2021, 08:07:21 PM
This comment was particularly absurd, in response to your remarks: https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/mostly-us-non-election-law-stuff-megathread-iii-more-things-you-never-want-to-hear-a-judge-say.883092/post-24135729

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Personally, I'm thinking of Michael Reinoehl, a Portland antifa supporter who also claimed self-defense in the protest-related shooting death of Aaron Danielson, a supporter of Patriot Prayer.

Mr. Reinoehl never made it to court. He was murdered by a federal fugitive task force, who reportedly didn't give him a chance to surrender. Witnesses describe them opening fire without warning, and despite the sheriff's office investigation determining he initiated a firefight with police, independent investigators determined that his weapon was fully loaded when recovered afterward, and there is no police account of his drawing or pointing a weapon.

I'm pleased Rittenhouse wasn't murdered by police in Kenosha after killing two people. I don't think he should be acquitted, especially since he was previously in a state of mind to protect property by shooting at protestors. I'm of the opinion that the people he killed were acting in self-defense against him, and that his acquittal is a travesty of justice.
He fucking assassinated Danielson. Walked up and shot him dead. And then decided to commit suicide by cop by trying to shoot it out with U.S. Marshals.

https://www.ibtimes.sg/cctv-footage-reveals-michael-reinoehl-stalked-jay-danielson-did-not-kill-self-defense-51183

These people live in an entirely different world. And I'm getting really tired of their gaslighting.

Everyone who isn't a mental defective leftist could clearly recognize the difference between Reinoehl ambushing Danielson and Rittenhouse running from his attackers before being forced to shoot them (including the 5-time pedo who tried to ambush him).  That, and ya know, Rittenhouse turned himself in instead of being the subject of a manhunt...
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ghostmaker on November 22, 2021, 12:02:27 PM
This kind of cracked me up. https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/insane-price-of-medicine-in-usa.889895/

In essence, it's bitching about (a) the U.S. health care industry, and (b) costs of medications, particularly insulin.

What amuses me is over four pages, nobody has the nerve to point out that insulin's cost got capped by Trump, and then uncapped by Sleepy Joe.

Oops.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Fergurg on November 22, 2021, 12:25:51 PM
This kind of cracked me up. https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/insane-price-of-medicine-in-usa.889895/

In essence, it's bitching about (a) the U.S. health care industry, and (b) costs of medications, particularly insulin.

What amuses me is over four pages, nobody has the nerve to point out that insulin's cost got capped by Trump, and then uncapped by Sleepy Joe.

Oops.

Of course they don't have the nerve. It's explicitly against the rules (as "RAAAACIIISSMMM") to defend or say anything positive about something Trump did. That's not hyperbole either; when someone asked in December of last year if they could start a thread about positive things he did, they were told that it would be racist to do so.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Thorn Drumheller on November 22, 2021, 11:25:00 PM
Hey DM_Curt. I see they extended you the permaban. Congratulations! And welcome to the permabanned members club. Meetings are Tuesdays at six, bring your own drink of choice, and let's play some games :D
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ghostmaker on November 23, 2021, 06:38:57 AM
Hey DM_Curt. I see they extended you the permaban. Congratulations! And welcome to the permabanned members club. Meetings are Tuesdays at six, bring your own drink of choice, and let's play some games :D
Right as the last seven day ban was due to expire too. Not a new tactic for the worthless meatbags that comprise TBP's staff.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: wmarshal on November 23, 2021, 08:41:33 AM
Hey DM_Curt. I see they extended you the permaban. Congratulations! And welcome to the permabanned members club. Meetings are Tuesdays at six, bring your own drink of choice, and let's play some games :D
Right as the last seven day ban was due to expire too. Not a new tactic for the worthless meatbags that comprise TBP's staff.
The initial ban made no mention of a potential increase in penalty. That tells me that the mod staff overall has been discussing the thread and are looking for whatever excuses they can to permaban for wrongthink. I’m not surprised that DM_Curt caught an initial 7-day ban for his post, but the mods are usually up front at the time of the initial ban if they’re going to take the matter “backstage” (a tell of the performative nature of TBP moderation) to determine if a longer penalty is going to be handed out. I won’t be surprised if at some point membership at this site becomes grounds for the mods to invoke their Rule 0.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ghostmaker on November 23, 2021, 09:28:17 AM
TBP still can't configure an email server properly: https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/no-notifications-via-email.889911/

This doesn't surprise me much, but it amuses me that here at the end of 2021, RPGnet is staffed by people who might as well be trapped in 1997 from a technical perspective.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Fergurg on November 23, 2021, 12:12:28 PM
The initial ban made no mention of a potential increase in penalty. That tells me that the mod staff overall has been discussing the thread and are looking for whatever excuses they can to permaban for wrongthink. I’m not surprised that DM_Curt caught an initial 7-day ban for his post, but the mods are usually up front at the time of the initial ban if they’re going to take the matter “backstage” (a tell of the performative nature of TBP moderation) to determine if a longer penalty is going to be handed out. I won’t be surprised if at some point membership at this site becomes grounds for the mods to invoke their Rule 0.

I think it already is. They have labeled us a hate site, after all.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: PonchoGoblin on November 24, 2021, 12:33:44 AM
Wild to see how TBP has gone insane just reading through this, although my most recent memory of them is simply getting annoyed because anytime I would ask about homebrew mechanics for something, no matter the genre, I'd just get bombarded with "use Fate Core use Fate Core". Hell, the rpg reddit got like that too and now it's non-stop "use 5e" for everything...

Glad I finally found this site courtesy of Pundit and Ocule, although I am more of a lurker than a poster.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: HappyDaze on November 24, 2021, 12:36:09 AM
Wild to see how TBP has gone insane just reading through this, although my most recent memory of them is simply getting annoyed because anytime I would ask about homebrew mechanics for something, no matter the genre, I'd just get bombarded with "use Fate Core use Fate Core". Hell, the rpg reddit got like that too and now it's non-stop "use 5e" for everything...

Glad I finally found this site courtesy of Pundit and Ocule, although I am more of a lurker than a poster.
Here isn't so different; you get a fairly regular dosing of "use an OSR game" for damn near everything.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: 3catcircus on November 24, 2021, 07:50:03 AM
Wild to see how TBP has gone insane just reading through this, although my most recent memory of them is simply getting annoyed because anytime I would ask about homebrew mechanics for something, no matter the genre, I'd just get bombarded with "use Fate Core use Fate Core". Hell, the rpg reddit got like that too and now it's non-stop "use 5e" for everything...

Glad I finally found this site courtesy of Pundit and Ocule, although I am more of a lurker than a poster.
Here isn't so different; you get a fairly regular dosing of "use an OSR game" for damn near everything.

Not from me, you won't. Then again, I'll tell you to use The Reflex System...
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Armchair Gamer on November 24, 2021, 08:29:22 AM
Here isn't so different; you get a fairly regular dosing of "use an OSR game" for damn near everything.

  Every site has its darlings. TBP tends to favor the new hotness, this site is OSR-centric, EN World will always gravitate towards D&D, and the RPGPub loves it some Mythras.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Trond on November 24, 2021, 09:26:42 AM

Not from me, you won't. Then again, I'll tell you to use The Reflex System...

I agree. I’m more likely to suggest Runequest or BRP though.

But we should live up to our reputation; let’s suggest to use FATAL or MYFAROG for absolutely everything.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ghostmaker on November 24, 2021, 11:06:05 AM
Wild to see how TBP has gone insane just reading through this, although my most recent memory of them is simply getting annoyed because anytime I would ask about homebrew mechanics for something, no matter the genre, I'd just get bombarded with "use Fate Core use Fate Core". Hell, the rpg reddit got like that too and now it's non-stop "use 5e" for everything...

Glad I finally found this site courtesy of Pundit and Ocule, although I am more of a lurker than a poster.
I'll just advise you to ignore anything HappyDerp says, because he's a tard.

But in all seriousness, I've found that mechanics are second fiddle to finding a good group you sync with personally. A clunky system can be redeemed if you share it with good friends; but even the neatest system in the world isn't much fun if you're not happy with your fellow gamers.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: DM_Curt on November 24, 2021, 11:08:52 AM
The initial ban made no mention of a potential increase in penalty. That tells me that the mod staff overall has been discussing the thread and are looking for whatever excuses they can to permaban for wrongthink. I’m not surprised that DM_Curt caught an initial 7-day ban for his post, but the mods are usually up front at the time of the initial ban if they’re going to take the matter “backstage” (a tell of the performative nature of TBP moderation) to determine if a longer penalty is going to be handed out. I won’t be surprised if at some point membership at this site becomes grounds for the mods to invoke their Rule 0.

I think it already is. They have labeled us a hate site, after all.
It's pretty much "Who disagreed with the provably false narrative? Can't have that around!"

As for this being any sort of a hate site.....that's ironic, coming from them.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ghostmaker on November 24, 2021, 07:33:26 PM
"Shut up," they explained.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/wmarshal-receives-a-🚫-thirty-day-ban-threadban.889979/

Poor Tanka. Chained to the narrative. 'It was MURDER!' he cries, despite three convicted vermin trying to violently attack Rittenhouse. I wonder what he thinks of that black kid who shot up his school and was out on bond in time for his birthday party?

What a pathetic waste of digital real estate TBP is.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Shasarak on November 24, 2021, 09:50:37 PM
What a pathetic waste of digital real estate TBP is.

He says as he keeps up a running commentary on the TBP.

 ;)
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Trond on November 25, 2021, 12:18:46 AM
Quote
"He was an idiot" should really only be uttered about actually minor offenses, not murder. Giving him an out like that is just the same as judges giving other white men slaps on the wrist because "they have a bright future ahead of them" while also giving Black men life sentences over inconsequential shit.


You're taking a month off, and are banned from this thread. Appeals may be sent to the admins at admin.rpgnet@gmail.com.

White men have recently been sent to jail in several cases where black people were killed, but not so when white people were killed. Whenever something happens to black people the media stoke massive riots. Also, every single time they compare black sentencing to white sentencing they "forget" to mention repeat offenses. This guy has no idea what's going on. 
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ghostmaker on November 25, 2021, 09:30:59 AM
What a pathetic waste of digital real estate TBP is.

He says as he keeps up a running commentary on the TBP.

 ;)
It's important to document their idiocy. Haven't I told you to archive, archive, archive the left's blather? They WILL memory hole their shit if given half a chance.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: The Spaniard on November 28, 2021, 02:53:23 PM
What a pathetic waste of digital real estate TBP is.

He says as he keeps up a running commentary on the TBP.

 ;)
It's important to document their idiocy. Haven't I told you to archive, archive, archive the left's blather? They WILL memory hole their shit if given half a chance.

It is important to know what those who hate you are up to.  Their site is mildly amusing, looking in every so often to see the less progressive get eaten by the radicals and are somehow baffled about what happened.  Dummies...
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: The Spaniard on November 28, 2021, 02:55:16 PM
What a pathetic waste of digital real estate TBP is.

He says as he keeps up a running commentary on the TBP.

 ;)
It's important to document their idiocy. Haven't I told you to archive, archive, archive the left's blather? They WILL memory hole their shit if given half a chance.

It is important to know what those who hate you are up to.  Their site is mildly amusing; I look in every so often just to see the latest in a steady stream of less progressives step in their own pile, and get eaten by the radicals.   Dummies...
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ghostmaker on November 28, 2021, 04:03:20 PM
TBP is suddenly aflutter, because it seems we're about to see Mandy Morbid vs Zak Sabbath, round two.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/mandy-morbid-and-two-others-accuse-zak-smith-of-abuse-harrassment-sexual-assault-warning-very-very-dark-read-redtext-in-posts-86-418.841424/page-76#post-24144634

Mandy Morbid has a gofundme up for legal expenses (she's countersuing Zak) here: https://www.gofundme.com/f/wd76ub-help-with-legal-fees

I'll tell you what piqued me though is that she says her name is Amanda Nagy.

Which... I find curious as there is a Mandy Nagy who is a editor emerita for the Legal Insurrection blog. She suffered a stroke several years back and sadly was never the same. Odd. No, I don't think they're the same person, it's just weird.

Amusingly, one of the comments on the GFM was 'I never touched 5e because it fawned on Zac S and Pundit.' Sorry, what? They got a contributor's credit. How the hell is that fawning? Jesus.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Shasarak on November 28, 2021, 05:44:14 PM
Seeing a woman called Nagy always makes me smile.  :D
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Aglondir on December 04, 2021, 02:16:53 AM
TBP is suddenly aflutter, because it seems we're about to see Mandy Morbid vs Zak Sabbath, round two.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/mandy-morbid-and-two-others-accuse-zak-smith-of-abuse-harrassment-sexual-assault-warning-very-very-dark-read-redtext-in-posts-86-418.841424/page-76#post-24144634

Those of us w/o logins can't see it. Can you post or screenshot?
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ghostmaker on December 04, 2021, 11:38:17 AM
TBP is suddenly aflutter, because it seems we're about to see Mandy Morbid vs Zak Sabbath, round two.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/mandy-morbid-and-two-others-accuse-zak-smith-of-abuse-harrassment-sexual-assault-warning-very-very-dark-read-redtext-in-posts-86-418.841424/page-76#post-24144634

Those of us w/o logins can't see it. Can you post or screenshot?
You're not missing anything. A lot of 'we hates Zak, we hates him yesss' and bitching about how defamation works. Nothing super juicy.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Horace on December 04, 2021, 11:51:55 AM
Amusingly, one of the comments on the GFM was 'I never touched 5e because it fawned on Zac S and Pundit.' Sorry, what? They got a contributor's credit. How the hell is that fawning? Jesus.
Almost as amusing as the sentiment I've seen other Lefties express, which is basically, "I love 5E, but they should have gotten different people to make it," as if that would have resulted in the same game.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Eirikrautha on December 04, 2021, 09:34:22 PM
Amusingly, one of the comments on the GFM was 'I never touched 5e because it fawned on Zac S and Pundit.' Sorry, what? They got a contributor's credit. How the hell is that fawning? Jesus.
Almost as amusing as the sentiment I've seen other Lefties express, which is basically, "I love 5E, but they should have gotten different people to make it," as if that would have resulted in the same game.

If they were logical or rational they wouldn't be SJWs...
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Crawford Tillinghast on December 05, 2021, 10:44:22 AM
OK, color me baffled.  What's wrong with the Combs/Krause at the con pic?
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ghostmaker on December 05, 2021, 12:49:41 PM
OK, color me baffled.  What's wrong with the Combs/Krause at the con pic?
No clue. I assume you're referring to this ban: https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/dmjalund-receives-a-🚫-one-day-ban-and-thread-ban.890382/

"Okay, this right here, whatever it is is absolutely not acceptable for an A-game thread. Take a day off and do not post in this thread again."

This is pretty much an admission of 'you did something I don't like so I'm going to fuck you for it with a one day ban and a threadban'.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Crawford Tillinghast on December 05, 2021, 01:48:34 PM
OK, color me baffled.  What's wrong with the Combs/Krause at the con pic?
No clue. I assume you're referring to this ban: https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/dmjalund-receives-a-🚫-one-day-ban-and-thread-ban.890382/

"Okay, this right here, whatever it is is absolutely not acceptable for an A-game thread. Take a day off and do not post in this thread again."

This is pretty much an admission of 'you did something I don't like so I'm going to fuck you for it with a one day ban and a threadban'.
The surrounding discussion is about the re-introduction of masks because Omicron is (SURPRISE!) resistant to current immunizations. I guess seeing people not wearing masks, in this context, triggered Dawgstar.  I'm reaching though.

I should explain.  I find the TBP policies to be disgusting, and anyone who enforces them contemptible.  So when a mod makes a post like this, my conscience demands I be scrupulously fair before labeling the action a "Once again, the inmates are running the asylum" event. 
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: GeekyBugle on December 05, 2021, 02:00:42 PM
OK, color me baffled.  What's wrong with the Combs/Krause at the con pic?
No clue. I assume you're referring to this ban: https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/dmjalund-receives-a-🚫-one-day-ban-and-thread-ban.890382/

"Okay, this right here, whatever it is is absolutely not acceptable for an A-game thread. Take a day off and do not post in this thread again."

This is pretty much an admission of 'you did something I don't like so I'm going to fuck you for it with a one day ban and a threadban'.
The surrounding discussion is about the re-introduction of masks because Omicron is (SURPRISE!) resistant to current immunizations. I guess seeing people not wearing masks, in this context, triggered Dawgstar.  I'm reaching though.

I should explain.  I find the TBP policies to be disgusting, and anyone who enforces them contemptible.  So when a mod makes a post like this, my conscience demands I be scrupulously fair before labeling the action a "Once again, the inmates are running the asylum" event.

Not being able to see the posts I will need to see the photo because I suspect you're totally wrong if that's the Krause I think it is.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ghostmaker on December 06, 2021, 08:30:46 AM
https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/capellan-receives-a-%F0%9F%94%B4-warning-sexist-language.890480/

This is hilarious, and I shall explain why.

First, there are threads (granted, old threads) dating back to 2004 and 2006 on TBP discussing this very term.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/explain-pixel-bitching.288340/
https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/we-need-a-cool-insulting-name-for-this-kind-of-gming.127858/

The second thread has the Forum Administrator chiming in. There are suggestions by other posters for less pejorative/more kid-friendly terms, which come off less 'wah sensitivity' and more 'this seems kinda opaque, how about this?'. Which I can dig.

Secondly, as far as I can tell this is the only time anyone's been sanctioned for the term. It's not in the Rules and Guidelines (and calling it 'sexist' is a real fucking reach). The closest I can find was a guidance by Q99 suggesting they change the name to 'pixel hunting'.

TLDR; of all sad words of tongue and pen, the saddest are these: TBP mods are dumb shits again.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Stephen Tannhauser on December 06, 2021, 05:25:51 PM
This is hilarious ... as far as I can tell this is the only time anyone's been sanctioned for the term. It's not in the Rules and Guidelines (and calling it 'sexist' is a real fucking reach). The closest I can find was a guidance by Q99 suggesting they change the name to 'pixel hunting'.

It does have a real vibe of have-to-do-something-to-justify-my-position bureaucratic hamsterwheeling, doesn't it?

I suppose mods who answer complaint reports with, "Are you f***ing kidding me? Stop wasting our time," don't last long if they ignore the wrong types of hurt feelings.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Stephen Tannhauser on December 10, 2021, 04:58:59 PM
If anyone had reason to doubt, we now have evidence that TBP's official stance is Marxist-Leninist, because they explicitly subscribe to the labour theory of value:

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/apn-receives-a-%F0%9F%9A%AB-three-day-ban-general-hostility-and-group-attacks.890760/ (https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/apn-receives-a-%F0%9F%9A%AB-three-day-ban-general-hostility-and-group-attacks.890760/)

Quote
Quote from: APN
I don't/can't pay money above a certain level and take a chance that the PDF is something I can or will use. A book I can glance through and sell on if it's not my thing. On the other hand I've backed loads of Kickstarter PDFs at or around the $10-15 mark and will continue to do so for the usual suspects (SineNomine etc). There's a sweet spot for PDFs for me and $31 isn't it.

Whatever your personal finances are, there are rpgs set for every one of them, including free. However, that is a choice that the publishers and authors make. Most rpg writers and artists are making less than minimum wage, and it is (TBP)'s stance that people deserve to be paid for their work.

The proper response to something you like being too expensive to buy is "oh, shoot, not in my budget, good luck." It is not to stride into a thread, rant about the old saw that pdfs should be cheap (they are still a product of hundreds, if not thousands of man hours), and throw around hyperbole like "their new Ferrari". In fact, hostile and vastly inaccurate stances like this are what drives publishers, writers and artists away from the business, besides giving an inaccurate view of what the roleplaying game market is like. We are giving you three days off and a threadban, and we suggest that you figure out a way to post your concerns without attacking other people.

(Emphasis mine.)

Socially liberal values vs. socially conservative values I've stopped arguing about because it's very hard to get anywhere with it. But if the RPG industry expects a product's market value to be set by the time it took to produce rather than the quality and usefulness it offers the buyer, it's no wonder nobody's making a living in the field anymore.

Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Crawford Tillinghast on December 11, 2021, 02:16:02 PM
OK, color me baffled.  What's wrong with the Combs/Krause at the con pic?
No clue. I assume you're referring to this ban: https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/dmjalund-receives-a-🚫-one-day-ban-and-thread-ban.890382/

"Okay, this right here, whatever it is is absolutely not acceptable for an A-game thread. Take a day off and do not post in this thread again."

This is pretty much an admission of 'you did something I don't like so I'm going to fuck you for it with a one day ban and a threadban'.
The surrounding discussion is about the re-introduction of masks because Omicron is (SURPRISE!) resistant to current immunizations. I guess seeing people not wearing masks, in this context, triggered Dawgstar.  I'm reaching though.

I should explain.  I find the TBP policies to be disgusting, and anyone who enforces them contemptible.  So when a mod makes a post like this, my conscience demands I be scrupulously fair before labeling the action a "Once again, the inmates are running the asylum" event.

Not being able to see the posts I will need to see the photo because I suspect you're totally wrong if that's the Krause I think it is.
I tried to upload a compressed version of the photo, but it wouldn't post.  It's HMC and some guy (I guess "Krause") holding a bunch of puppy puppets or beanbags.  Is Krause a sore subject at TBP?
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ghostmaker on December 14, 2021, 10:27:43 AM
Believe all women, especially when it's for someone we find politically inconvenient (as opposed to Gropey Joe).

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/randall-receives-a-%F0%9F%9A%AB-thirty-day-ban.890917/

I have no great love for Assange, but I'm mighty suspicious about how some of those 'charges' popped into being. But they can't have that, and so Randall gets the boot for a month.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Horace on December 14, 2021, 01:20:47 PM
I have no great love for Assange, but I'm mighty suspicious about how some of those 'charges' popped into being. But they can't have that, and so Randall gets the boot for a month.
Ah, and a "baseless conspiracy theory" to boot. Funny how everything is a "baseless conspiracy theory" if it reflects poorly on the Left, but CNN's hoax-of-the-week is always greeted with eager credulity.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Willmark on December 14, 2021, 07:46:42 PM
What isn’t a sore subject at TBP?
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Shasarak on December 14, 2021, 08:06:01 PM
Believe all women, especially when it's for someone we find politically inconvenient (as opposed to Gropey Joe).

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/randall-receives-a-%F0%9F%9A%AB-thirty-day-ban.890917/

I have no great love for Assange, but I'm mighty suspicious about how some of those 'charges' popped into being. But they can't have that, and so Randall gets the boot for a month.

Randall forgot Rule 1: Believe all women that we like

Sad
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ratman_tf on December 15, 2021, 01:12:07 AM
https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/racist-tropes-in-d-d-5e-volos-fault.890923/

NOT WOKE ENOUGH!@
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: avaia on December 15, 2021, 07:10:50 AM
May I ask, what exactly is "TBP"? I found myself interested in this thread after receiving a 30-day ban from RPG.net for objecting to a moderator publicly libeling me.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ghostmaker on December 15, 2021, 07:55:04 AM
May I ask, what exactly is "TBP"? I found myself interested in this thread after receiving a 30-day ban from RPG.net for objecting to a moderator publicly libeling me.
The Big Purple, aka RPGnet. Refers to their color scheme.

EDIT: It appears you've been permabanned for sockpuppeting there (whether you were or not). Might as well make yourself comfortable here.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Godfather Punk on December 15, 2021, 07:56:22 AM
The Banning Place
or The Big Purple
or They Ban Puerile
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: avaia on December 15, 2021, 08:53:04 AM
May I ask, what exactly is "TBP"? I found myself interested in this thread after receiving a 30-day ban from RPG.net for objecting to a moderator publicly libeling me.
The Big Purple, aka RPGnet. Refers to their color scheme.

EDIT: It appears you've been permabanned for sockpuppeting there (whether you were or not). Might as well make yourself comfortable here.

Wow, they are bizarre. Wasn't doing any such thing.

Incidentally, I've been reading up here and elsewhere on the incredible number of problems that people have had with their moderators, and it's frankly shocking the extent to which this problem has proliferated. I didn't even know the site was originally founded by Sandy Antunes, and I have great respect for some of his work from back in the 1990s. Of course, he's no longer the owner of the site, now.

But, it's just absolutely bizarre how they allow their moderators to falsely malign people and have no real accountability for the moderation staff. If you read the thread which lead to my 30-day ban, you can see quite clearly that my initial post in the thread was completely innocuous, and was met with a tidal wave of hostility that falsely characterised what I even said. The only argument I made was that it costs less to reproduce a PDF file than it does to print a book, and one of the moderators there accused me of arguing that creators shouldn't or don't deserve to get paid a fair price for their work, a position that I pointed out would be self-defeating, since I happen to be a creator in this industry, and I like to get paid too. When I demanded a retraction and an apology on the grounds that I never said or even came close to implying what the moderator was accusing me of having said, and used the Report feature on that comment, I got a 30-day ban.

By their own rules, if a mod posts a regular user post, one is supposed to use the Report feature to Report it, but I was banned for "abuse of the Report feature", because I reported a Mod, even though I followed their own established procedure.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: avaia on December 15, 2021, 09:05:45 AM
Oh, and I haven't even mentioned the absolute cowardice of the moderators over there, who hide behind pseudonyms while attacking publicly identified people under color of their moderation authority. I have to be publicly identified, because my ability to market my creations depends upon having the integrity to be recognised and identified with my work, but the people who engage in extremely unethical "moderation" at RPG.net get to hide behind a shield of anonymity, and there is effectively no real appeals process or accountability, despite what they claim.

I note that people have in the past attempted to appeal directly to the site owners and have been summarily rebuffed.

Ah well, now that they've permabanned me, I can slag them off all I like, and there's nothing more than can do to me. :D
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ghostmaker on December 15, 2021, 09:45:12 AM
May I ask, what exactly is "TBP"? I found myself interested in this thread after receiving a 30-day ban from RPG.net for objecting to a moderator publicly libeling me.
The Big Purple, aka RPGnet. Refers to their color scheme.

EDIT: It appears you've been permabanned for sockpuppeting there (whether you were or not). Might as well make yourself comfortable here.

Wow, they are bizarre. Wasn't doing any such thing.

Incidentally, I've been reading up here and elsewhere on the incredible number of problems that people have had with their moderators, and it's frankly shocking the extent to which this problem has proliferated. I didn't even know the site was originally founded by Sandy Antunes, and I have great respect for some of his work from back in the 1990s. Of course, he's no longer the owner of the site, now.

But, it's just absolutely bizarre how they allow their moderators to falsely malign people and have no real accountability for the moderation staff. If you read the thread which lead to my 30-day ban, you can see quite clearly that my initial post in the thread was completely innocuous, and was met with a tidal wave of hostility that falsely characterised what I even said. The only argument I made was that it costs less to reproduce a PDF file than it does to print a book, and one of the moderators there accused me of arguing that creators shouldn't or don't deserve to get paid a fair price for their work, a position that I pointed out would be self-defeating, since I happen to be a creator in this industry, and I like to get paid too. When I demanded a retraction and an apology on the grounds that I never said or even came close to implying what the moderator was accusing me of having said, and used the Report feature on that comment, I got a 30-day ban.

By their own rules, if a mod posts a regular user post, one is supposed to use the Report feature to Report it, but I was banned for "abuse of the Report feature", because I reported a Mod, even though I followed their own established procedure.
Reporting a mod? Yeah, not happening.

I went through the thread in question. I thought it got a little heated. But because TBP mods are fragile snowflakes, you're not allowed to criticize or question them. Ever.

Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: avaia on December 15, 2021, 12:24:44 PM
Heated? When someone maligns me publicly and accuses me of arguing something I never said, and does so in full knowledge of the fact that their status as moderator is going to make people believe it whether or not it's true, you're damn right I'm going to get heated, for good cause.

' If you don’t want to pay a fair price for the creative work that goes into developing a game book, you do not have to buy the book. But it is not kind to argue that game creators are unreasonable for wishing to make a living from their work. '

I never argued any such thing. All I said was PDFs cost less to produce than physical books, and Patrick O'Duffy (who literally just got off a three day ban for outrageous hostility against another user, check the Infractions from the other day) jumped all over me making false accusations, then multiple other users jumped on and dogpiled me with some really nasty comments, culminating in Arethusa libelling me.

That is some seriously unethical stuff, right there.

And what's even funnier is how they continued arguing about irrelevancies, never once actually addressing what "substantially lower" might actually mean. Let's say a physical book costs $50. If a PDF version sells for $40, that's a 20% discount. Now again, I'm not arguing specific numbers, but would you say 20% is "significantly lower"? I think a lot of people would. What if the PDF were $30, or even $25? Now we're talking a full 50% discount, yet I guarantee you some people would say that's too expensive. I, on the other hand, didn't say any such thing. All I said was, a PDF *should* cost substantially less, and left it open-ended.

I *am* a game creator. These dunderheads have convinced themselves I am arguing that I myself am being unreasonable for wishing to make a living from my work.

I didn't say a single thing in that thread that will embarrass me later. The others? Not so much. The written record stands and is clear as day.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ghostmaker on December 15, 2021, 12:44:26 PM
I admit I'm a little detached, since I wasn't involved in the thread.

I personally would love to see a comprehensive analysis of costs for PDF distribution versus dead-tree publication. They latched onto the 'creator costs' pretty hard (presumably because they know they're about as competent at money management as they are in, well, everything else).

But of course, it's easier for TBP's ball-washers and their mods to just get up on their high horse, sneer at anyone not following the party line, and ban them when they get uppity. Know your place, peasant.

We may yell at each other, insult each other, and get bitchy here, but at least we're not hypocritical fucknuggets who cook up reasons to ban people.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Shasarak on December 15, 2021, 03:02:48 PM
Oh, and I haven't even mentioned the absolute cowardice of the moderators over there, who hide behind pseudonyms while attacking publicly identified people under color of their moderation authority. I have to be publicly identified, because my ability to market my creations depends upon having the integrity to be recognised and identified with my work, but the people who engage in extremely unethical "moderation" at RPG.net get to hide behind a shield of anonymity, and there is effectively no real appeals process or accountability, despite what they claim.

Avaia, did you only noticed the problem after they banned you?

Nothing came up before that happened that seemed a little off?
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: avaia on December 15, 2021, 03:10:26 PM
Oh, of course this wasn't the first incident.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: avaia on December 15, 2021, 03:17:38 PM
They latched onto the 'creator costs' pretty hard

The hilarious part was the incredible display of anything even remotely resembling an actual business analysis of publication costs, especially by the ass who puffed himself up with his supposed publishing career history.

Terms like "fixed cost", "variable cost", and "cost of goods sold" are Business 101, but when I used them to illustrate exactly how wrong Mr. Publishing Expert was, it was as if I was speaking a foreign language they didn't understand.

I've done this work, in this industry. I've been on the retail side, too. I have intimate knowledge of what goes into the process from end to end, and the math doesn't lie, ever.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: avaia on December 15, 2021, 03:23:39 PM
Even better was the guy dismissively admitting he didn't even bother to read the article I linked, because he thought it sounded like an advertisment (logical fallacy: ad hominem attack) which discusses in detail the difference between cost-based pricing and value-based pricing, and why one model might be appropriate in one situation while being inappropriate in a different situation.

People read what they want to read, and not what is actually written, I guess. They read because they are addicted to outrage porn, and not to actually have responsible adult conversations about serious industry topics like what constitutes a "fair price" for a PDF.

The bottom line is the producer sets the price, but the consumer decides if that price is fair, and no amount of whining on the part of creators is ever going to change market economics into fairy dust and rainbow sprinkles.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Stephen Tannhauser on December 15, 2021, 04:07:10 PM
They read because they are addicted to outrage porn, and not to actually have responsible adult conversations about serious industry topics like what constitutes a "fair price" for a PDF.

The TBP staff are on the whole obsessed with guaranteeing the "safe space" atmosphere of their forums, and one of the rules they've set to do this is "The onus is on the poster to be clear". In theory this is meant to encourage posters to be as unambiguous as possible about what they're actually saying. In practice this means that if any reader interprets an expressed position or opinion to be "offensive", the poster does not get any good faith credit for replying to such accusations with, "That isn't what I meant," or to deflect criticism by saying, "You're reading too much into this."

The problem with putting the formal responsibility to avoid offense entirely on original posters is, of course, that it enshrines a bad-faith attitude of assuming the worst from the get-go, which only makes it all the easier for readers to infer offense where none was intended. If it was balanced with a similar guideline like, "The onus is on the reader to assume the best possible intended spirit for any post before deciding if it deserves to be reported," things might simmer down somewhat. (But then again, they might not.)
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Horace on December 15, 2021, 04:10:32 PM
These people are idiots, avaia, and not worth your time. They are the very embodiment of group-think. They will never apologize, reconsider, or even question their beliefs. Their programming simply doesn't allow it.

On the upside, by banning you, they lost a valuable contributing member, which means that the site is one step closer to becoming irrelevant. Hopefully something better will come along soon and replace it.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Horace on December 15, 2021, 04:17:03 PM
If it was balanced with a similar guideline like, "The onus is on the reader to assume the best possible intended spirit for any post before deciding if it deserves to be reported," things might simmer down somewhat. (But then again, they might not.)
That might actually work if the directive came from higher up and all the moderators were on-board with it (and if they really understood the guideline's intent). But I think once these purity spirals get started, nothing but total collapse can bring them to an end. TBP will probably crash and burn or become completely irrelevant before the moderation policies change.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Neoplatonist1 on December 15, 2021, 08:21:15 PM
That might actually work if the directive came from higher up and all the moderators were on-board with it (and if they really understood the guideline's intent). But I think once these purity spirals get started, nothing but total collapse can bring them to an end. TBP will probably crash and burn or become completely irrelevant before the moderation policies change.

I'm struck by the lack of self-awareness and political awareness in people running or frequenting sites like TBP. It's like they have the real-life equivalent of "genre-blindness" when the characters don't realize they're in a horror movie and so do stupid things like wander off alone. Do the mods at TBP understand what a "purity spiral" is? Do they grasp that they have created a totalitarian environment of snitches, newspeak, historical revisionism, and gulags? Or are they ingenuous?
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Shasarak on December 15, 2021, 08:45:06 PM
That might actually work if the directive came from higher up and all the moderators were on-board with it (and if they really understood the guideline's intent). But I think once these purity spirals get started, nothing but total collapse can bring them to an end. TBP will probably crash and burn or become completely irrelevant before the moderation policies change.

I'm struck by the lack of self-awareness and political awareness in people running or frequenting sites like TBP. It's like they have the real-life equivalent of "genre-blindness" when the characters don't realize they're in a horror movie and so do stupid things like wander off alone. Do the mods at TBP understand what a "purity spiral" is? Do they grasp that they have created a totalitarian environment of snitches, newspeak, historical revisionism, and gulags? Or are they ingenuous?

You say Purity Spiral like it is a bad thing?
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: DM_Curt on December 15, 2021, 11:29:07 PM
Purity Spiral: better name for an Anime-inspired RPG, a dystopian book or a Christian Metal band?
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Trond on December 15, 2021, 11:40:58 PM
Purity Spiral: a Christian progressive metal band, playing extremely technical, aggressive, and complex songs about our lord Jesus Christ.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: rytrasmi on December 15, 2021, 11:45:32 PM
Purity Spiral: a Christian progressive metal band, playing extremely technical, aggressive, and complex songs about our lord Jesus Christ.
Aw, hell, why not that sounds great.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Stephen Tannhauser on December 16, 2021, 01:49:41 AM
Purity Spiral: a Christian progressive metal band, playing extremely technical, aggressive, and complex songs about our lord Jesus Christ.

Unfortunately they keep losing their fanbase to internal schisms about who loves them the most.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: KingCheops on December 16, 2021, 11:15:32 AM
I'd download that album.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ghostmaker on December 25, 2021, 06:37:42 PM
Know your place, peasants.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/the-process-of-appealing-to-the-rpgnet-admins-does-not-seem-to-be-working-as-presented-to-the-users.891407/

But hey, that's just 'press conferencing', it's not like the TBP mods are worthless wastes of flesh who pretend at being 'righteous'. Expecting Tanka to demonstrate self-reflection is kind of pointless. It's not going to happen. Tanka is right and you're wrong and if you disagree well fuck you, prole.

Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Shasarak on December 25, 2021, 06:46:56 PM
He is not named after a Tankie, right?

It would be like having a mod called Hitla.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: avaia on December 26, 2021, 01:58:12 PM
Know your place, peasants.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/the-process-of-appealing-to-the-rpgnet-admins-does-not-seem-to-be-working-as-presented-to-the-users.891407/

But hey, that's just 'press conferencing', it's not like the TBP mods are worthless wastes of flesh who pretend at being 'righteous'. Expecting Tanka to demonstrate self-reflection is kind of pointless. It's not going to happen. Tanka is right and you're wrong and if you disagree well fuck you, prole.

RPG net Commandment #1: Thou shalt not question thy betters. Out of the way, peck!

I have never received a single reply to any attempt to appeal a moderator decision. It's pretty hypocritical to public proclaim yourself a champion of social justice, as the RPG net staff effectively do, and then utterly fail at having any sort of accountability to the constituency or any real principles of justice, like a transparent and effective appellate review process.

Sadly, this problem is more common than one might think in professional social justice circles, particularly in the nonprofit sector.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: robertliguori on December 26, 2021, 02:03:32 PM
Hey, I got my perma for appealing.  IIRC, I think my appeal got called worse than the one that tried to call down the Ruinous Powers on the mods. 

Honestly, I kind of prefer the mask-off version of TBP's moderation.  When a bunch of crazy people get together and start reinforcing their mutual crazy, then it takes a lot of strength of will to interact with them and not doubt your own sanity.  But nowadays, even the people who remain are pretty clearly working really hard to Not Notice certain things, and one of the first of those is that the rules of RPG.net are solely for the gratification and ego-flattery of the mod staff.  That which flatters the mods and their prejudices is not just accepted, but mandatory, and that which denies them maximal flattery is forbidden.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: rytrasmi on December 26, 2021, 03:43:55 PM
Kind of like how a lot of countries with the word Democratic in the name are not.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Kiero on December 26, 2021, 06:01:23 PM
How has that shithole not disappeared up it's own arse for contradictory and inconsistent moderation already?
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Iron_Rain on December 26, 2021, 06:59:27 PM
How has that shithole not disappeared up it's own arse for contradictory and inconsistent moderation already?

The site has been in decline for 15 years, according to google trends:
https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=rpg.net

Could someone familiar with Alexa site metrics please explain RPG net's position in comparison to competitors?

https://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/rpg.net

My read of it is that they are not doing that well, but maybe I'm misreading things.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Nephil on December 26, 2021, 07:20:23 PM
Whenever RPGnet bites it, it can't be too soon. They had a wonderful forum with interesting posters an they chose to turn it into a struggle session. No, I'm not bitter, you are bitter.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Kiero on December 26, 2021, 07:24:24 PM
The site has been in decline for 15 years, according to google trends:
https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=rpg.net

Wow, their traffic is in the toilet.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Pat on December 26, 2021, 08:22:09 PM
The site has been in decline for 15 years, according to google trends:
https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=rpg.net

Wow, their traffic is in the toilet.
It's not traffic, it's searches. But it's true they are in decline. However that's the case for most internet forums. It's a dying medium. Can't compare it to therpgsite.com, because there isn't enough data, but enworld.org shows a similar pattern.

https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=enworld.org
https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=therpgsite.com
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ghostmaker on December 26, 2021, 10:23:25 PM
They're probably trying to figure out some way to ban wmarshal that doesn't make them look like complete hypocrites. That wouldn't bother them, obviously, but the last thing they need are more people questioning the simulation and demanding answers.

Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Abraxus on December 27, 2021, 10:55:01 AM
Can anyone show a chart of the traffic levels of the Paizo website?

If their traffic is not down it soon will be.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Willmark on December 27, 2021, 08:04:24 PM
So I read the last few pages of the Volo thread there and the navel gazing on this is interesting.

Personally when I play RPGs I'm trying to get away from real life issues, not drag them in. The reverse is apparently the case there. I point it out the same way I did on a now defunct political forum I used to post on in regards to politics in sports and how I didn't want them intruding, particularly (American) football:

"I am attuned to politics Monday through Friday, I don't need extra credit work on the weekends."
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Willmark on December 27, 2021, 10:44:35 PM
Oh, an imagine if they ran this now: https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/how-can-we-improve-rpg-net.753426/

OF course i doubt anyone would be honest these days...
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ghostmaker on December 28, 2021, 08:02:15 AM
"I am attuned to polotics Monday through Friday, I don't need extra credit work on the weekends."
I'm so stealing that. :)
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ratman_tf on December 28, 2021, 09:59:48 AM
Oh, an imagine if they ran this now: https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/how-can-we-improve-rpg-net.753426/

OF course i doubt anyone would be honest these days...

That takes me back. In hindsight, it looks like a huge honeypot trap thread now.
Title: Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
Post by: Ghostmaker on December 28, 2021, 11:13:06 AM