This is a site for discussing roleplaying games. Have fun doing so, but there is one major rule: do not discuss political issues that aren't directly and uniquely related to the subject of the thread and about gaming. While this site is dedicated to free speech, the following will not be tolerated: devolving a thread into unrelated political discussion, sockpuppeting (using multiple and/or bogus accounts), disrupting topics without contributing to them, and posting images that could get someone fired in the workplace (an external link is OK, but clearly mark it as Not Safe For Work, or NSFW). If you receive a warning, please take it seriously and either move on to another topic or steer the discussion back to its original RPG-related theme.
NOTICE: Some online security services are reporting that information for a limited number of users from this site is for sale on the "dark web." As of right now, there is no direct evidence of this, but change your password just to be safe.
The RPGPundit's Own Forum Rules
This part of the site is controlled by the RPGPundit. This is where he discusses topics that he finds interesting. You may post here, but understand that there are limits. The RPGPundit can shut down any thread, topic of discussion, or user in a thread at his pleasure. This part of the site is essentially his house, so keep that in mind. Note that this is the only part of the site where political discussion is permitted, but is regulated by the RPGPundit.

Author Topic: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)  (Read 28264 times)

Reckall

  • Junghian alchemist
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1546
Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
« Reply #15 on: July 28, 2021, 05:10:23 PM »
What the hell is a A game?

You must be careful in what you say or you will get banned.

In an "A Game" thread you must be extremely careful in what you say or you will be banned.
For every idiot who denounces Ayn Rand as "intellectualism" there is an excellent DM who creates a "Bioshock" adventure.

FelixGamingX1

  • Master Templar
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 739
    • https://knightstabletoprpg.com/
Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
« Reply #16 on: July 28, 2021, 05:20:03 PM »
Hahahahahah RPG.not and RPGeek are both utter pieces of garbage. I was going to briefly mention both in my latest podcast, but changed my mind. Let them be forgotten. I scrapped the first recording due to quality checks, but hopefully in the near future I make some good podcasts.
Embark on the ultimate Knights & Legends experience!
Knights & Legends: Dawn of a New Age | Now on Itch.io

American writer and programmer, since 2016.
https://knightstabletoprpg.com

Shasarak

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3589
Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
« Reply #17 on: July 28, 2021, 05:30:04 PM »
What the hell is a A game?

You must be careful in what you say or you will get banned.

In an "A Game" thread you must be extremely careful in what you say or you will be banned.

I probably would have called it a "Karen Game"
There will be poor always,
pathetically struggling,
look at the good things you've got! -  Jesus

Reckall

  • Junghian alchemist
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1546
Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
« Reply #18 on: July 28, 2021, 06:30:26 PM »
The truly crazy thing is that the Mandalorian did a better job of female empowerment than the sequel trilogy did by being realistic and not propaganda.  And then the Paladins went and kicked off one of the better female role models on the show!  My daughter doesn't really give two shits about Rey but boy oh boy did she love Cara Dune.

There are rumbles that they are calling her back. Of course now it's Gina Carano that holds all the cards, so Disney may just not want to look as the entity that "folded". The hope is that she and Jon Favreau will reach an amicable agreement - because it was Kathleen Kennedy's faction who torpedoed her.
For every idiot who denounces Ayn Rand as "intellectualism" there is an excellent DM who creates a "Bioshock" adventure.

HappyDaze

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • H
  • Posts: 4384
Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
« Reply #19 on: July 28, 2021, 06:36:49 PM »
What the hell is a A game?

I have heard of an A Team.
It's the banning game they play to ensure their plans come together.

Ratman_tf

  • Alt-Reich Shitlord
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 6887
Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
« Reply #20 on: July 28, 2021, 08:45:04 PM »
What the hell is a A game?

You must be careful in what you say or you will get banned.

In an "A Game" thread you must be extremely careful in what you say or you will be banned.

IE you better agree with the mods and the board culture, unconditionally and enthusiastically.
The notion of an exclusionary and hostile RPG community is a fever dream of zealots who view all social dynamics through a narrow keyhole of structural oppression.
-Haffrung

Ratman_tf

  • Alt-Reich Shitlord
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 6887
Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
« Reply #21 on: July 28, 2021, 08:49:06 PM »
The truly crazy thing is that the Mandalorian did a better job of female empowerment than the sequel trilogy did by being realistic and not propaganda.  And then the Paladins went and kicked off one of the better female role models on the show!  My daughter doesn't really give two shits about Rey but boy oh boy did she love Cara Dune.

There are rumbles that they are calling her back. Of course now it's Gina Carano that holds all the cards, so Disney may just not want to look as the entity that "folded". The hope is that she and Jon Favreau will reach an amicable agreement - because it was Kathleen Kennedy's faction who torpedoed her.

I am strongly of the opinion that Carano shouldn't go back to company that treated her like shit, while letting Pascal do pretty much the same thing without a peep.
If she does, she should first get Disney to make a public, grovelling, apology, in video format, from the Disney suits responsible for this garbage.
The notion of an exclusionary and hostile RPG community is a fever dream of zealots who view all social dynamics through a narrow keyhole of structural oppression.
-Haffrung

KingCheops

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • K
  • Posts: 1223
Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
« Reply #22 on: July 28, 2021, 08:57:57 PM »
The truly crazy thing is that the Mandalorian did a better job of female empowerment than the sequel trilogy did by being realistic and not propaganda.  And then the Paladins went and kicked off one of the better female role models on the show!  My daughter doesn't really give two shits about Rey but boy oh boy did she love Cara Dune.

There are rumbles that they are calling her back. Of course now it's Gina Carano that holds all the cards, so Disney may just not want to look as the entity that "folded". The hope is that she and Jon Favreau will reach an amicable agreement - because it was Kathleen Kennedy's faction who torpedoed her.

I'm sure hoping that's the case.  I was excited for her and Paul Sun-Hyung Lee to be big parts of Rangers of the New Republic.  It was supposedly going to be a key cog in the overarching Thrawn storyline.

Reckall

  • Junghian alchemist
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1546
Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
« Reply #23 on: July 29, 2021, 04:34:01 AM »
I am strongly of the opinion that Carano shouldn't go back to company that treated her like shit, while letting Pascal do pretty much the same thing without a peep.
If she does, she should first get Disney to make a public, grovelling, apology, in video format, from the Disney suits responsible for this garbage.

The Disney suits responsible are, basically, Kathleen Kennedy. Gina Carano, Jon Favreau and Dave Filoni enjoyed a great working relationship and her character was crucial for the Disney+'s Star Wars new series. Kathleen Kennedy couldn't accept the fact that someone was showing in practice that "Star Wars" could still be a thing if properly done. Stabbing Gina Carano in the back was a petty gesture by someone who should care about Lucasfilm as a whole, not only about her demesne inside it.

Then the pandemic hit, Disney had to shut down everything, and it turned out that Kennedy had damaged the only light still on: Disney+. It was sheer misfortune, true, but she did what she did at the worst possible moment.

It is no mystery that Kennedy is next in line to be torpedoed. Her management of the Star Wars brand was appalling even to outsiders who simply study these things out of professional interest. She ditched decades of expanded universe's books, comics and videogames, for example, only to whine that "Marvel had a great reserve of stories to build from, they had to do everything from scratch".

And it is no mystery that Disney is working on a narrative plan that will erase the new trilogy from canon.

The interesting thing is that one of the most vocal critics of how Star Wars was managed (after Mark Hamill) is... John Boyega! He openly said that the marketing pimped a lot the idea of a black stormtrooper who could become a jedi (just rewatch "The Force Awakens" posters and trailers), but that factually everything had to be about Rey and her being a Mary Sue standard bearer. The whole concept of John Boyega as a "Toxic racist male" is heartwarming...
For every idiot who denounces Ayn Rand as "intellectualism" there is an excellent DM who creates a "Bioshock" adventure.

Ghostmaker

  • Chlorine trifluoride
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2704
Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
« Reply #24 on: July 29, 2021, 08:13:43 AM »
I refer to A-game threads as 'hunting over bait for mods'.

If you don't 'read the thread' very carefully, whatever you post will earn you a ban.

It's one more way for TBP mods to scratch their banhammer itch.

Reckall

  • Junghian alchemist
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1546
Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
« Reply #25 on: July 29, 2021, 08:24:16 AM »
What the hell is a A game?

You must be careful in what you say or you will get banned.

In an "A Game" thread you must be extremely careful in what you say or you will be banned.

IE you better agree with the mods and the board culture, unconditionally and enthusiastically.

But never, ever say that.
For every idiot who denounces Ayn Rand as "intellectualism" there is an excellent DM who creates a "Bioshock" adventure.

RandyB

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • R
  • Posts: 1118
Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
« Reply #26 on: July 29, 2021, 10:32:40 AM »
TBP is Revolutionary Paris writ small. Only there will be no Bonaparte to give them a figurative "whiff of grapeshot". Instead they will consume themselves like the Oroborus and go the way of AoL and MySpace.

Ratman_tf

  • Alt-Reich Shitlord
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 6887
Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
« Reply #27 on: July 29, 2021, 02:58:37 PM »
I am strongly of the opinion that Carano shouldn't go back to company that treated her like shit, while letting Pascal do pretty much the same thing without a peep.
If she does, she should first get Disney to make a public, grovelling, apology, in video format, from the Disney suits responsible for this garbage.

The Disney suits responsible are, basically, Kathleen Kennedy. Gina Carano, Jon Favreau and Dave Filoni enjoyed a great working relationship and her character was crucial for the Disney+'s Star Wars new series. Kathleen Kennedy couldn't accept the fact that someone was showing in practice that "Star Wars" could still be a thing if properly done. Stabbing Gina Carano in the back was a petty gesture by someone who should care about Lucasfilm as a whole, not only about her demesne inside it.

Then the pandemic hit, Disney had to shut down everything, and it turned out that Kennedy had damaged the only light still on: Disney+. It was sheer misfortune, true, but she did what she did at the worst possible moment.

It is no mystery that Kennedy is next in line to be torpedoed. Her management of the Star Wars brand was appalling even to outsiders who simply study these things out of professional interest. She ditched decades of expanded universe's books, comics and videogames, for example, only to whine that "Marvel had a great reserve of stories to build from, they had to do everything from scratch".

And it is no mystery that Disney is working on a narrative plan that will erase the new trilogy from canon.

The interesting thing is that one of the most vocal critics of how Star Wars was managed (after Mark Hamill) is... John Boyega! He openly said that the marketing pimped a lot the idea of a black stormtrooper who could become a jedi (just rewatch "The Force Awakens" posters and trailers), but that factually everything had to be about Rey and her being a Mary Sue standard bearer. The whole concept of John Boyega as a "Toxic racist male" is heartwarming...

I didn't name Kennedy because it's too easy to dump all the blame on her. There are a host of people at Lucasfilm that went along with this. I'm sure there's at least one other person at Disney/Lucasfilm who backed her play. Probably many.
I despise how Kennedy has run the franchise into the ground, but I also despise the people who helped it happen.
The notion of an exclusionary and hostile RPG community is a fever dream of zealots who view all social dynamics through a narrow keyhole of structural oppression.
-Haffrung

Reckall

  • Junghian alchemist
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1546
Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
« Reply #28 on: July 29, 2021, 06:32:11 PM »
I didn't name Kennedy because it's too easy to dump all the blame on her. There are a host of people at Lucasfilm that went along with this. I'm sure there's at least one other person at Disney/Lucasfilm who backed her play. Probably many.
I despise how Kennedy has run the franchise into the ground, but I also despise the people who helped it happen.

For sure Bob Iger approved her management, at least initially. "The Force Awakens" was terribly derivative, but enjoyable as a "sugar rush". "Rogue One" went through a lot of trouble but the end result was fine. Everything collapsed with "The Last Jedi" (as I said elsewhere, when I first watched it I came out of the theatre wondering if they had distributed the wrong version...) However TLJ was deliriously "embraced" by SJWs and Disney found itself in a quagmire: how they could fire the "story group" that had run the franchise to the ground, after their movie was being exalted by "The Custodians of Pop Culture" (*) and, even worse, while with a woman at the head?

I never liked J.J. Abrams as a content creator (in person he seems a nice guy). To me he is a hack of the worst kind (sadly, I meet many in my career in comic books; and yes, almost all of them went farther than me...  ;) ) However, helming "The Rise of Skywalker" would have been a desperate task for everyone. It is known that Abrams got a list of things that had to be in the movie, and if you look closely TRoS takes TLJ, scene by scene, and does the exact opposite. IMHO, only Bob Iger could have ordered something so radical, but letting thing go out of control the way they did was a serious dereliction of duty. And then the curtain fell on the whole mess.

(*) Since our good friend Ghostmaker wasn't able to post an example of "leftist foolishness" in another thread, I'll do it for him here. Fiery defence for TLJ values produced pearls like this one:

https://www.esquire.com/entertainment/movies/a25560063/how-fans-ruined-star-wars-the-last-jedi-2018/

"...These trolls launched an entire campaign to finance their own fan-made Star Wars film. While this is a laughable idea for delusional racists [because if you want to finance an independent Star Wars film you are a delusional racist: one thing logically follows the other], the message was clear. As the campaign’s manifesto read, "The fans are completely divided [we know: YOU wrote earlier "45 percent from fans on Rotten Tomatoes"] and the core goal of Star Wars has been abandoned. The goal is to not make one half of the fandom happy over the other, it is to make a film that the fandom in general as a whole enjoys." [the point, here, being condemning this statement for its absolute banality, I guess] [...] It’s fucking insanity. And let me just take a moment right here to remind you that this is a family movie, largely designed to sell toys to children [which, as it happened, is exactly what it failed to do, so maybe the "trolls" had a point.]

This was, of course, 2018. In the modern age, the way "Star Wars" was mismanaged is the object of studies. Maybe Rustin Cole is right: the light is winning.
For every idiot who denounces Ayn Rand as "intellectualism" there is an excellent DM who creates a "Bioshock" adventure.

Shasarak

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3589
Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
« Reply #29 on: July 29, 2021, 07:33:33 PM »
I didn't name Kennedy because it's too easy to dump all the blame on her. There are a host of people at Lucasfilm that went along with this. I'm sure there's at least one other person at Disney/Lucasfilm who backed her play. Probably many.
I despise how Kennedy has run the franchise into the ground, but I also despise the people who helped it happen.

For sure Bob Iger approved her management, at least initially. "The Force Awakens" was terribly derivative, but enjoyable as a "sugar rush".

The Force Awakens was terrible and things just got worse from there.

Getting through shields by traveling through hyperspace levels of retardation.
There will be poor always,
pathetically struggling,
look at the good things you've got! -  Jesus