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Author Topic: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)  (Read 306591 times)

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Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
« Reply #1455 on: June 01, 2022, 10:42:39 AM »
Looking over your article, it sure seems that he was not.

Looking over my article it says:

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Footage captured by police body cameras, Wendy's security cameras and bystanders showed Brooks resisted arrest but was running away from the officers when he was shot. In the scuffle, he grabbed an officer's Taser, then ran away. Rolfe chased him with his own Taser drawn. Still running, Brooks tried to fire the Taser back toward Rolfe. Rolfe then drew his handgun and fired three shots, two of them striking Brooks.
The cops were not arriving to an active shooter incident. It didn't devolve into what it became until after they fumbled their intervention. That's quite distinct from the active/school shooter events being discussed.

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Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
« Reply #1456 on: June 01, 2022, 12:12:55 PM »
What member of the Uvalde police department wants to risk life in jail for shooting a school shooter? After George Floyd I'm surprised any cops are still willing to stay on the force at all.
Do you have an example of a cop facing charges for firing on an active shooter, or is this just more of your usual absurdium?
Nicholas Reardon was investigated for shooting and killing Ma'Khia Bryant.  Bryant was in the process of attacking another teen with a knife when Reardon showed up.

The county coroner declared the death a homicide.  It was sent to a grand jury which declined to charge Reardon and later deemed the situation a justifiable homicide.

Not an active shooter incident, but this is the closest I can think of in recent history. 

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« Reply #1457 on: June 01, 2022, 01:32:53 PM »
If I'm not mistaken, Georgia law specifically classifies Taser use as 'deadly force'.

By this criteria, Rolfe threatened Brooks with deadly force by drawing his taser on Brooks when Brooks was unarmed and had done nothing but be drunk.

Also, Rolfe hasn't been indicted of anything and remains on the police department - so I don't think this demonstrates that police are afraid of being jailed for life for shooting a school shooter.

Further, while Brooks did try the taser twice in his attempt to escape, the taser was then empty - so he was once again unarmed and just trying to run away at the time when he was shot. I think there's a huge difference between firing on someone who is threatening with a loaded firearm, and someone running away with an unloaded taser.

In the case of Ma'Khia Bryant, she was in the process of stabbing at someone with a knife - so use of force was more understandable. In the case of Brooks, he had an unloaded weapon and was just running away.

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« Reply #1458 on: June 01, 2022, 01:38:28 PM »
If I'm not mistaken, Georgia law specifically classifies Taser use as 'deadly force'.

By this criteria, Rolfe threatened Brooks with deadly force by drawing his taser on Brooks when Brooks was unarmed and had done nothing but be drunk.

Also, Rolfe hasn't been indicted of anything and remains on the police department - so I don't think this demonstrates that police are afraid of being jailed for life for shooting a school shooter.

Further, while Brooks did try the taser twice in his attempt to escape, the taser was then empty - so he was once again unarmed and just trying to run away at the time when he was shot. I think there's a huge difference between firing on someone who is threatening with a loaded firearm, and someone running away with an unloaded taser.

In the case of Ma'Khia Bryant, she was in the process of stabbing at someone with a knife - so use of force was more understandable. In the case of Brooks, he had an unloaded weapon and was just running away.

Oh my, so now anyone can shoot at a police officer if he draws his weapon first? Is this really what you want? Because it's what follows from your logic. So a police officer can't even draw his weapon until AFTER the suspect has done so (and probably fired at them).
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Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
« Reply #1459 on: June 01, 2022, 03:30:43 PM »
If I'm not mistaken, Georgia law specifically classifies Taser use as 'deadly force'.

By this criteria, Rolfe threatened Brooks with deadly force by drawing his taser on Brooks when Brooks was unarmed and had done nothing but be drunk.

Also, Rolfe hasn't been indicted of anything and remains on the police department - so I don't think this demonstrates that police are afraid of being jailed for life for shooting a school shooter.

Further, while Brooks did try the taser twice in his attempt to escape, the taser was then empty - so he was once again unarmed and just trying to run away at the time when he was shot. I think there's a huge difference between firing on someone who is threatening with a loaded firearm, and someone running away with an unloaded taser.

In the case of Ma'Khia Bryant, she was in the process of stabbing at someone with a knife - so use of force was more understandable. In the case of Brooks, he had an unloaded weapon and was just running away.

  Do you know if a gun pointed at you is loaded or not?  Especially in the heat of the moment?  Rolfe was fired and immediately charged.  He was since rehired and they did not push the charges once a DA with a touch of common sense got elected.  He was running away WHILE FIRING the Taser.  You are telling a huge lie by omission to say he was running away with an unloaded Taser. 

   Just being charged for a righteous shoot has in fact had a massive effect on police departments all over the country.  Many are 33 percent undermanned, and that is with them cooking the books and including people enrolled in BLET and their academies as full time officers.  I do not know if it had an effect on the dumbasses in Texas, but I do know it has had an effect on every department in the country, so...... dunno.  The effect IMO though, was the sort of cops who were going to go into a situation like that kid shooting up a school have already resigned and retired early, or moved to other careers.  So the effect was the people willing to do something are gone.  The sort that stand around outside were just doing what they always do in a crisis,  nothing.
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« Reply #1460 on: June 01, 2022, 04:57:51 PM »
Looking over your article, it sure seems that he was not.

Looking over my article it says:

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Footage captured by police body cameras, Wendy's security cameras and bystanders showed Brooks resisted arrest but was running away from the officers when he was shot. In the scuffle, he grabbed an officer's Taser, then ran away. Rolfe chased him with his own Taser drawn. Still running, Brooks tried to fire the Taser back toward Rolfe. Rolfe then drew his handgun and fired three shots, two of them striking Brooks.
The cops were not arriving to an active shooter incident. It didn't devolve into what it became until after they fumbled their intervention. That's quite distinct from the active/school shooter events being discussed.

Where did those goal posts go?  They were around here somewhere.
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« Reply #1461 on: June 01, 2022, 06:24:06 PM »
Looking over your article, it sure seems that he was not.

Looking over my article it says:

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Footage captured by police body cameras, Wendy's security cameras and bystanders showed Brooks resisted arrest but was running away from the officers when he was shot. In the scuffle, he grabbed an officer's Taser, then ran away. Rolfe chased him with his own Taser drawn. Still running, Brooks tried to fire the Taser back toward Rolfe. Rolfe then drew his handgun and fired three shots, two of them striking Brooks.
The cops were not arriving to an active shooter incident. It didn't devolve into what it became until after they fumbled their intervention. That's quite distinct from the active/school shooter events being discussed.

Where did those goal posts go?  They were around here somewhere.
The goal posts were set at "cops responding to a school shooter" and I did broaden that into an active shooter event (which would include things like the guy that killed 10 people at a shopping cebter). You then decided that meant something else entirely by throwing down pretty much anything involving a cop shooting someone. So, if anyone's running with the goalposts,  it's you.

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« Reply #1462 on: June 01, 2022, 06:27:00 PM »
Looking over your article, it sure seems that he was not.

Looking over my article it says:

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Footage captured by police body cameras, Wendy's security cameras and bystanders showed Brooks resisted arrest but was running away from the officers when he was shot. In the scuffle, he grabbed an officer's Taser, then ran away. Rolfe chased him with his own Taser drawn. Still running, Brooks tried to fire the Taser back toward Rolfe. Rolfe then drew his handgun and fired three shots, two of them striking Brooks.
The cops were not arriving to an active shooter incident. It didn't devolve into what it became until after they fumbled their intervention. That's quite distinct from the active/school shooter events being discussed.

Where did those goal posts go?  They were around here somewhere.
The goal posts were set at "cops responding to a school shooter" and I did broaden that into an active shooter event (which would include things like the guy that killed 10 people at a shopping cebter). You then decided that meant something else entirely by throwing down pretty much anything involving a cop shooting someone. So, if anyone's running with the goalposts,  it's you.

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« Reply #1463 on: June 01, 2022, 06:32:27 PM »
According to the F.B.I., “an active shooter is an individual actively engaged in killing or attempting to kill people in a populated area.”   That is a pretty broad definition.  Granted not the one the press pretends is the definition, but the one the FBI uses seems pretty broad.   

   That said, I do not think any of the shitbags standing around outside the school in Texas were worried about being fired or charged for engaging the assailant.  I think they are chicken shit.

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« Reply #1464 on: June 01, 2022, 07:38:42 PM »
According to the F.B.I., “an active shooter is an individual actively engaged in killing or attempting to kill people in a populated area.”   
So FBI agents responding to an active shooter event... are themselves active shooters.

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« Reply #1465 on: June 02, 2022, 08:16:12 AM »
TBP is all in a tizzy over the Depp-Heard verdict (which pretty much went in Depp's favor; she managed to wring out one counterclaim of defamation, which was bullshit in my opinion; but he still swept the board with his charges).

They're accusing him of hiring botnets to sway public opinion in his favor, which is kind of hilarious. Projection, it's a thing.

One schmuck ate a three-day and threadban for not hewing to #believeallwomen: https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/bashful82-receives-a-%F0%9F%9A%AB-three-day-ban-and-threadban-not-abiding-by-the-rules-of-the-thread-and-sexism.897910/

Which may be extended, of course, if they can scrape together enough wrongthink from their prior posts to justify it. Never change, TBP. Lulz.

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« Reply #1466 on: June 02, 2022, 03:04:36 PM »
TBP is all in a tizzy over the Depp-Heard verdict (which pretty much went in Depp's favor; she managed to wring out one counterclaim of defamation, which was bullshit in my opinion; but he still swept the board with his charges).

They're accusing him of hiring botnets to sway public opinion in his favor, which is kind of hilarious. Projection, it's a thing.

One schmuck ate a three-day and threadban for not hewing to #believeallwomen: https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/bashful82-receives-a-%F0%9F%9A%AB-three-day-ban-and-threadban-not-abiding-by-the-rules-of-the-thread-and-sexism.897910/

Which may be extended, of course, if they can scrape together enough wrongthink from their prior posts to justify it. Never change, TBP. Lulz.

I'm disgusted at other people's personal lives being paraded for popular amusement.
But if anything good came out of the Depp/Heard trial, it's to demonstrate for those who didn't realize it, that cute chicks can be fucking awful, abusive people.
And those cute chicks know that being a cute chick often gets them a pass for their rotten behavior.

The impetus for me to finally leave RPG.net was their thread about feminsm and social justice and all that. And here we are, where facts and truth don't matter, because a whamen said something.

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Re: RPGnet's decay (TBP madness)
« Reply #1467 on: June 03, 2022, 11:07:44 AM »
Are we really surprised that the massive circle Jerk that is the big purple is having a. Meltdown at Johnny Depo winning.


It’s such a massive echo chamber that reality has no place. To be fair both people are terrible people. To imply that Heard is innocent is a huge exercise in mental gymnastics.

So let the mentally immature Wokescolds clutch their pearls over at the big purple it’s a great start to the weekend.

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« Reply #1468 on: June 03, 2022, 12:09:49 PM »
I had a good chuckle at this.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/discussing-osr-problems.897962/

Because Zeea is full of shit here. Not about some people being scum, but her insistence on how presentation matters. It doesn't, because no matter how 'clear' your post is, if someone misinterprets it (willfully or not), then the onus is still on the poster, not the reader.

Zeea is literally luring this poor fool into a trap. Classy.

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« Reply #1469 on: June 03, 2022, 03:27:29 PM »
I had a good chuckle at this.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/discussing-osr-problems.897962/

Because Zeea is full of shit here. Not about some people being scum, but her insistence on how presentation matters. It doesn't, because no matter how 'clear' your post is, if someone misinterprets it (willfully or not), then the onus is still on the poster, not the reader.

Zeea is literally luring this poor fool into a trap. Classy.

Eh on that would I agree with them. It IS better to phrase things as not a hasty generalization. Even if the listener reads it as a generalization, putting in the effort to make it clear you don't mean everyone is helpful for some others I think. Just treating individuals as individuals and not as some monolithic group in the way you write helps you think about the world as not sub-human vs human based on what group you affiliated them with in your mind.