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Author Topic: RPG.net user points out irony of mods "not wanting to ban people", gets banned  (Read 4778 times)

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"Although the title of this website might lead you to believe that this is primarily a roleplaying game forum, it is not. This forum/site is, in practice, a safe-space for supporters of "social justice" causes, that also happen to practice the hobby of tabletop gaming."



in other words they fess to having hijacked it for reasons unrelated to its original purpose; thus confessing to outright subversion. its doubtful they even play ttrpgs.

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Anyone else love the response/reason from the mods for the ban?

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LeoShowers said:
*snip alt-right bullshit*
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You signed up just to spew alt-right bullshit at us. As we don't welcome alt-right bullshit on our forums, you're simply not welcome here.

Bye.

That's actually hilarious. It fully confirms everything the guy wrote in the process of getting banned.
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What is even more ironic that the so called SJWs of the forum are conspicuously silent on the issue.

We are true Fascists for mocking Evil Hats latest rpg for including a Woke and SJW manifesto yet somehow the forums that behaves in a truly spectacularly Fascist is given a free pass on bad behavior. When faces with true repression and regression because it goes against their carefully constructed personal narratives lack the stones to actual do anything.

As I said before: Rolling rolling keep them Narratives rolling RAWHIDE!
What exactly would you have them do?

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What is even more ironic that the so called SJWs of the forum are conspicuously silent on the issue.

We are true Fascists for mocking Evil Hats latest rpg for including a Woke and SJW manifesto yet somehow the forums that behaves in a truly spectacularly Fascist is given a free pass on bad behavior. When faces with true repression and regression because it goes against their carefully constructed personal narratives lack the stones to actual do anything.

As I said before: Rolling rolling keep them Narratives rolling RAWHIDE!

Well of course the SJW’s are silent, if they said anything they’d get banned :)

I’m not too sure why you feel that they’re given a free pass, I’ve always felt that they’re used as the SJW gold standard here but I’m quite happy to be corrected. Alternately it could be because people here now consider Evil Hat to be more influential than rpg.net?

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As someone who got banned from rpg.net long before it was fashionable... like... 2006? or something, and when I talked only about rpgs... the OP really went looking for drama.

17th century French rappers is kind of funny, though.
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I was banned in 2005 and 2008 for YeOldeForgeWar. Pundit actually defended me back then, or at least my views. I found out I'm not banned anymore and just gave them some of my paranoia to chew on. I really hope the 'Owner' has a way of reclaiming the server once he runs out on PCCP charges! LOL!

I bet a fiver I get banned for asking a question though...  ::)
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He's right that the topic which got the original 3 day ban is fucking ridiculous and not deserving of any kind of ban at all. And the mod didn't have any real reason for that ban. "Read the room" in that context was like saying "I don't know why this is bad but I think others might agree with me that this is bad in some way".

And it was "bad" because it could in theory touch on race. Not in a "racism" way but it could involve a racial topic and the mod couldn't figure out if that meant it was racist so, out of white guilt, just assumed it must be a no-no and simply stating "well obviously that's bad" would be sufficient without fear that someone might ask "uh, what is obviously bad about it?"

It was lazy, and not intellectual in any way. The mod basically didn't want to think about what the topic meant, and was dismissive of "white guy mentioning racial topic" so just assumed it must be bad and that nobody would dare question that half-thought-out conclusion.

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The premise of this thread is...no. Just no. Either you are asking why spoken poetry didn't exist, which it did, or you are asking why French peasants didn't invent a historically Black music style. At which point our only reply is read the room.

Then I want to know why African peasants didn't invent rap.

Strange Visitor just got banned. I remember him from the old days. Maybe even 2005.

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Jesus christ enough already. Between this and the irony thread, this unacceptable. You are banned for seven days; this will almost certainly be increased upon review.

Translation: Once I get validation from my peers.

He's right that the topic which got the original 3 day ban is fucking ridiculous and not deserving of any kind of ban at all. And the mod didn't have any real reason for that ban. "Read the room" in that context was like saying "I don't know why this is bad but I think others might agree with me that this is bad in some way".

They like to imply that everyone else thinks like they do. After all who's going to disagree with them?

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What exactly would you have them do?

To not be absolute hypocrites and call out Rpg.net for being repressive and regressive.

I don't think it will happen because we can't go against the narrative can we.

Since none of the usual Go Go SJW Rangers have said anything against Rpg.net actions it speaks volumes.

Again after all can't go against the carefully constructed personal narrative that the Rpgsite is full of evil alt-right Fascists.
« Last Edit: October 21, 2020, 10:49:50 am by sureshot »

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Bravo to this gentleman! He is spot on and his post was so eloquent and completely true, I had to print it out to save.

Let me tell you of my experience with the moderator Nazis at RPG.net.

I want to post the screenshots of my banning on RPG.Net a while back because I want to demonstrate how incredibly tasteless and vile they can be.  I had the gull to mention in a discussion on the Christian view of homosexuality that the Bible mentions it is an abomination.  I was not in any way saying that people should hate or discriminate against homosexuals, the discussion was just talking about what is the Christian view of homosexuality and how some of the people in the thread were claiming that a lot of Christians are ok with the lifestyle today, so I discussed what the actual text of the Bible has to say on it and explained that this is why Christians cannot support that lifestyle.

This is the permaban response I received from the SJW degenerates of the mod team, specifically The Wyzard:

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Continued:

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And lastly:

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How about this stunning but par for the course example from current events over at SJW Asshats R' Us?

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From RPG.net thread: I played Chill 2nd. edition and it was my favorite horror game for a while until my mind got blown by Call of Cthulhu 7th. edition. I own both Cryptworld and Chill 3rd. edition as well but have not yet been able to play or run either one.

If you had to choose your favorite between Cryptworld and Chill 3rd. edition, which would you choose for horror? I want a versatile game that can do different types of horror. I am even thinking of running a gothic horror campaign soon and I might choose Call of Cthulhu 7th. edition or maybe even Vaesen.

Which would you choose?

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Response from Jack at RPG.net: If the choice is Chill 3E and Cryptworld? No question, Cryptworld. Mostly for reasons that have little to do with mechanics or content.

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Comment from SunlessNick: That's what I was going to say. More specifically, the one that doesn't involvegiving the McFarlands money.

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Nevander's Response: I already own Chill 3e, so the McFarlands are not making any money. What he did in his past does not concern if the game is any good or not at this point. I had already Kickstarted it and own it.

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Question From Qerm: I'm out of the loop what is the diffrence between Cryptworld and Chill 3rd edition in regards to "McFarlands"?

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Answer to Qerm: There were folks that made allegations against Matthew McFarland of sexual assault. His wife was also accused of trying to keep these allegations hushed.

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SunlessNick chimes in: Chill 3rd edition was developed by Growling Dog Games, which was run by Matthew and Michelle Lyons McFarland, who are the subjects of credible rape, abuse, and grooming allegations (Matthew McFarland admitted that "some" of them were true, though nothing about which). If you already own the game, that changes the calculus a bit, because you're not giving them any royalties if you use it.

Cryptworld has nothing to do with them, and is a retroclone of Chills 1st edition.

Even without this, I would suggest to the OP that Cryptworld comes with less of a built in setting (the PC's as agents of a dedicated monster hunting organisation doesn't quite ring true for gothic horror to me - I think hunters should be more ad hoc).

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Response from Darrin Kelley: Well, this thread has succeeded in doing one thing for me. Putting Cryptworld on my shopping list.

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Response from Neomaxim: This thread is a bummer. I love love love Chill 3rd Ed as my go-to, catch-all, rules-light horror system, but had never heard anything about the McFarlands. That is going to make it just a little weird for me to pull off the shelf.

I am glad that Cryptworld seems pretty analogous though, and as per my horror thread, it is on my to-buy, list.

Is there ongoing support for Cryptworld, whether official or 3rd party?

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Nevander's response: You can separate the work from the artist, as many people do when listening to music or watching movies made by people they loathe on a personal level. The game is out and even if you buy it today, the McFarlands make $0 off your purchase. Who knows who all else contributed to the making of the game as well?

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Cryaxe agrees: MacFarland gave the leased rights to Chill back to the IP owner shortly after deciding to leave the industry around two years ago. No proceeds from any purchases of Chill 3E products should be going to MacFarland or his shuttered company.

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Ysidro agrees: This. He doesn't own anything. If you check DriveThruRPG you'll see the publisher listed as Martin Caron, who I can only assume owns the IP.

That doesn't mean Matt didn't write what he wrote and that can be icky on its own (I know I haven't wanted to touch the books in awhile), but he's not part of Chill 3rd Edition any longer.

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Response from Molotov: I was just using materials from both lines for my Night Shift game. I have the full Chill 3e line, from prior to leaning about the McFarland awfulness. I'd had the Chill3 ematerials slated for removal, but as I'm running a Supernatural-ish / life on the road sort of monster hunting game, there's stuff I'm finding useful. It's a sunk cost for me at this point.

The CryptWorld stuff has been a lot of fun - I've run the adventure from the back of Monsters Macabre, and it was a lot of fun.

If I were to run one of the two games outright, it would be CryptWorld - hands down. CryptWorld is definitely lighter, and probably easy to tweak if you want to add items, more skill choices or whatever.

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Moderator Nazi Sphinx of Black Quartz is triggered and needs a safe space: nevander said:
I already own Chill 3e, so the McFarlands are not making any money. What he did in his past does not concern if the game is any good or not at this point. I had already Kickstarted it and own it.
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No, we aren't going to pretend the author can't possibly have anything to do with the media they created. Especially not in this case.

Thread locked.

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Nevander receives a warning: I already own Chill 3e, so the McFarlands are not making any money. What he did in his past does not concern if the game is any good or not at this point. I had already Kickstarted it and own it.
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RPG.net does not automatically ban discussion of all works by problematic authors, but neither do we pretend their work can be wholly divorced from the harm they do. Casually disregarding credible allegations toward an author merely because you like his work dismisses the harm that predators do, and the effect they have on their victims. Don't do it again. This is a warning.

This is insanely stupid.  So, Nevander is supposed to never play a game or discuss it that he Kickstarted to the tune of $150 just because some people made sexual assault allegations against the chief writer of the game? Allegations are NOT evidence of guilt.  That is why we have court.  And besides, is he supposed to never play the game because of that guy's stupid behavior? Is he supposed to abandon his $150 of gaming materials and just throw them in the trash? Why does the actions of the chief writer of the game have to overshadow the simple question of is the game any good?
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This is insanely stupid.  So, Nevander is supposed to never play a game or discuss it that he Kickstarted to the tune of $150 just because some people made sexual assault allegations against the chief writer of the game? Allegations are NOT evidence of guilt.  That is why we have court.  And besides, is he supposed to never play the game because of that guy's stupid behavior? Is he supposed to abandon is $150 of gaming materials and just throw them in the trash? Why does the actions of the chief writer of the game have to overshadow the simple question of is the game any good?

Actually. I was involved in the Kickstarter for the Chill 3rd Edition book, Undead when the controversy hit. It caused me to withdraw my pledge, and to wait for the outcome of the whole affair. But yeah. I was thrown into the middle of that mess.

It was big enough of a thing that it caused rpg.net to de-mod and permanently ban Matt McFarland. And a short time later, they did the same thing to his wife. I don't know their behind the scenes particulars. But the whole thing was a big bad scandal for The Big Purple. That obviously the mods are still very much hot about.

Shortly after that, Matt and his wife closed Growling Door Games. Which was the publisher of the game line. And they left the RPG business behind.

What I'm going to say here is what I personally witnessed on RPG.net at the time. Matt McFarland was confronted by one of his victims in the middle of Tabletop Roleplaying Open. And he admitted to the allegations. Admitted them. There was no mistake. No misunderstanding. What happened was completely undeniable. As in evidence admissible in a court of law.

The reason the products are still for sale on drivethrurpg is that custody of them were given over to Chill's owner. Martin Caron.

Bear in mind. I was a supporter of Chill 3rd Edition. I bought every supplement up until that last one. I liked the game. I thought it had some great aspects. Which as a fan of the 2nd Edition, I really liked it. So withdrawing from that Kickstarter was neither easy nor something I truly desired to do. But I needed the distance.

You notice in that thread, I voiced my desire to get Cryptworld. Which is a retro-clone of Chill 1st edition. And yes, I am going to get it when my budget allows.

I have some sympathy for Nevander in this. I felt the same loss when the Chill 3rd Edition line ended abruptly. It sucks for the fans most of all. They didn't ask for any of this.

But in this case? The Big Purple is correct in the position they have taken on this.
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This is the permaban response I received from the SJW degenerates of the mod team, specifically The Wyzard:


We could do a big song and dance about how the "Wyzard" is entitled to his own opinion no matter how wrong headed it may appear but really there is no excuse for this level of douchbaggery.
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