RPG.net showing its true colors

[Mordred Pendragon]

2018 is to old but 1972 ain't... cool beans. :rolleyes:

At least you're trying something new, I will give you credit there.

[Tait Ransom]

I saw this coming over a decade ago, when Geza Echs was banned. It's why I had "I accept, believe and profess the Catholic faith. Yes, all of it" in my signature until I left (with some modifications after people misunderstood it--although judging from later comments, it didn't help). RPGNet is perfectly tolerant of all forms of religion--so long as you will bend the knee and offer the ceremonial pinch of infant to their patron idols, Antitrump, Venus Paneros, and Moloch.

Yep.  When they banned Geza Echs, I left.  I knew that they'd head this direction sooner or later, and I hate that I was right about this.

It used to be a great community.

[tenbones]

It used to be a great community.

... so long ago that it doesn't even matter. And no one today there would recognize that place.

[Warboss Squee]

Fucking Cessna. "Asking questions we don't like is harassment. And Nazis are harassers. Be careful with your questions."

Think he sees the irony?

[Anon Adderlan]

Well, the mask is off.

  Starting from the replies to this post, it seems pretty clear that 'Nazi'=Trump voter, if not conservatives in general.

I remember Cessna not being such an asshole, but that reply is shockingly manipulative. I don't think RPG.net has far to go now until they hit rock bottom. (Watch me get proven wrong)

Any question they don't want to answer is #Sealioning now.

Actually, it always was.

[thedungeondelver]

Man that is some fuckin' newspeak going on over there "Fascist means whatever we want it to mean, we can slide these goalposts in any direction we want, and if they're in the right place when you're saying the wrong things, then we note you as 'fascist' and we'll ban you.  The same goes for the term 'Nazi'.  Also asking us questions is called 'sealioning', asking us any other questions is introducing the 'slippery slope fallacy', and finally saying anything but agreements with us is 'ad hominem attacks', 'arguing in bad faith' and so on, so presume that you'll be banned."

If I didn't think my fucking head would explode from it I would almost like to sit down and have a face-to-face discussion with one of those clowns just to see how beyond their little power trip realm their minds work.  How do they function in society, where differing ideas and points of view have to be tolerated?

[Ratman_tf]

Man that is some fuckin' newspeak going on over there "Fascist means whatever we want it to mean, we can slide these goalposts in any direction we want, and if they're in the right place when you're saying the wrong things, then we note you as 'fascist' and we'll ban you.  The same goes for the term 'Nazi'.  Also asking us questions is called 'sealioning', asking us any other questions is introducing the 'slippery slope fallacy', and finally saying anything but agreements with us is 'ad hominem attacks', 'arguing in bad faith' and so on, so presume that you'll be banned."

If I didn't think my fucking head would explode from it I would almost like to sit down and have a face-to-face discussion with one of those clowns just to see how beyond their little power trip realm their minds work.  How do they function in society, where differing ideas and points of view have to be tolerated?

I will say, I totally agree with their "Not a good fit for the forums" rule. I think everyone should take it to heart.

[jhkim]

I at least agree that comparisons to Nazis are stupid.

I believe in Godwin's Law that comparisons to Nazis are always pointless and stupid.

[KingCheops]

I don't put my personal politics into my public games, and very rarely into my private games. Even though I have gay players in my own personal home games, I've never had cardboard cutout anti-gay Villains or long soliloquy's about the power of gaylove. Even though I'm pro legalization I've never had games where the power of pot has saved the day, and even though I'm pro second amendment I've never had characters launch into passionate speeches about the founding fathers giving them the right to bare arms as having saved the day (Even if that would kind of make sense in say a Zombie Apocalpyse game where having access to Firearms is an advantage the U.S. has over somewhere like Japan)

I don't get preachy in my public or my personal games.  It's really easy to avoid getting preachy in any  of them. Granted if you consider the existence of gay people to be preachy or political then that might be a problem....but 99% of the time you're not even going to know the sexuality of my NPC's unless you come out and ask them directly, observe their home life in detail, or it's relevant to the plot and/or setting.

Thanks I was just curious.  I don't have problems in general with just about anyone in my game so I don't do as much gatekeeping.  It's just when it becomes too much of circus to keep them around like the Korean guy who wouldn't stop with his Nazi fetishism or the odd player who insists on stuff like magic missiles that look like dildos or insists on acting out weird pedophilia fantasies.

[Orphan81]

Thanks I was just curious.  I don't have problems in general with just about anyone in my game so I don't do as much gatekeeping.  It's just when it becomes too much of circus to keep them around like the Korean guy who wouldn't stop with his Nazi fetishism or the odd player who insists on stuff like magic missiles that look like dildos or insists on acting out weird pedophilia fantasies.

I wouldn't say I'm doing that much more gate keeping than you are. I mean all you have to do is to make sure to not start saying something like, "Man these gays are all going to hell.." or "They let the gays Marry, what's next, Incest?" and we're good. I don't really think that's a hard thing to ask.

[KingCheops]

I'm pretty sure I have actually played with a legitimate Neo-Nazi before.  He kept it to himself and didn't derail the game.  I didn't toss him from the game but he never came back so it became a non-issue.  His lack of attendance wasn't due to being unwelcome -- he just had other things to do.

Contrasted with the annoying AF Korean guy he was actually kind of cool.

[Trond]

Are you familiar with the concept of "sealioning?"

It's a form of harassment, where you try to overwhelm people you're arguing with by asking questions that appear to be legit, but are in fact asked over and over in an attempt to make them make a minor slip or lose their patience. By maintaining a pretense of obsequious civility you can try to badger people until you find the tiniest wedge that will be used to discredit them.

Once you learn how to recognize it, it becomes blatantly obvious when people are doing it.........

Cessna using "sealioning" unironically. Yeah, sealioning is one of the dumbest concepts I have ever heard of. Having seen the original comic it was based on, I actually side with the sealion.

[Lurtch]

Just a quick question with no judgement attached:  do you avoid inserting any of your politics into your game in order to avoid upsetting those who don't agree?  So since you don't want to hear any anti-LGBTQ rhetoric you therefore don't add any sexual content?  This is specifically for the "public" games not those at your house where you pre-screen.

Sexual content in gaming is creepy as fuck.

[Razor 007]

Do any of these fuckers post any where they do not have mod powers?

Yes, I'm also curious myself.

[Spinachcat]

At most social gatherings I'm at, it's the norm for people to be open if they are married or a couple - often mentioned right at their introduction.

That only happens if the fuckmate is present at the game table. Otherwise, the people present just introduce each other by name and we get down to the game. I've gamed with groups for years without meeting any of their family or friends (or learning much about them) because the entire purpose of the gathering was gaming.

Again, I'm focused on gaming tables, not other types of social gatherings. I know the California "keeping up with the Joneses" game extremely well. The real reason people chat about hometown and job (and other questions) is to judge social rank to determine network value.  AKA, am I richer than you and can you be valuable to me?

I agree that there are some social divides which may be too much to certain people to play together.

Only if one (or both) of the people is being an asshole at the table. Then the problem is there's an asshole at the table.

If Gay Gamer A is blabbering about hot asses and Christian Gamer B is spouting off about gays going to Hell, then the problem is two idiot fucknuts who don't know how to behave in public. If it wasn't their pet identity politics, those two would be fucking retarded about something else.

I was in a Warhammer group 20 years ago with a staunch conservative born again and a gay rights activist. They knew each other's dance and there was never any issue. They didn't hang out beyond the gaming group, but they were both adults and focused only on the game. But that was pre-social media.

How do they function in society, where differing ideas and points of view have to be tolerated?

I suspect most of RPG.net's most vocal don't function in society. The internet unleashed the mentally ill basement dwellers.

Before I abandoned RPG.net several years ago, I wandered around Tangency for a while and learned WAY TOO MUCH about a number of the vocal SJW posters and read their posts about their mental illnesses (diagnosed or self-diagnosed), trouble they were having with psychotropic medications, memories of childhood abuse (real or imagined), regular lack of employment, many living on disability checks and others living with their parents, etc.

Some are probably functional adults, but many of RPG.net's finest shouldn't be using keyboards without adult supervision.

Sexual content in gaming is creepy as fuck.

Absolutely...unless everyone at the table wants that in their game. Then, rock out your creepiness!