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Re: Reputation based economies are dystopian hellholes
« Reply #60 on: May 05, 2021, 07:01:48 PM »
It's a lot easier to face a mob when you have allies and friends, rather than alone.
Where's that Captain America quote, about standing like a tree?

Or how about the greatest hero in the MCU?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMjnqhn4ycg
(Hint: It's not the guy in spandex.)

Fuck mobs. Fuck bending the knee. Fuck taking sides because fear needs numbers. We need more people to stand up, and do what's right. Even when the world's against them.


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Re: Reputation based economies are dystopian hellholes
« Reply #61 on: May 05, 2021, 07:22:58 PM »
From the other side, I know my ex's teenage son got pushback for wearing his MAGA hat to his liberal Bay Area school - mostly isolation from peers and a lot of harsh lectures from his mother. I tried to stay supportive with him, but haven't had direct contact since our breakup.

It goes beyond pushback. Children were being attacked for wearing MAGA hats.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/florida-teen-maga-hat-bullies-bus-attack-video-hamilton-county

Sure, I don't disagree that happens. I was just talking about what I have direct experience with -- i.e. what has happened to people that I personally know. I realize that there are news stories about more extreme behavior, but those are often not representative of typical experience.


Perhaps that's why a notable amount of gay people are deserting the woke culture. Maybe they see echoes of the intolerance they once faced.

Maybe. Overall, though, people have just been growing ever more partisan on both sides.


You think that is equally difficult than moving away 100 years ago? Hell make it just before the internet, what is more difficult?

To escape a toxic town, maybe without any money and to go elsewhere to start anew or right now to try and escape from the woke mob?

Stop being disingenuous, you know the answer is right now it's more difficult.

I'm not being disingenuous, I simply disagree. As far as I can tell, it's not difficult to escape the woke mob. The problem isn't that the mob track people down who disappear. It's that targets are unwilling to drop their careers and other ties, just as people in history were unwilling to move out of the only place they have known and leave their friends and family behind.

So if the "woke mob" is attacking someone...it is their fault that they won't give up everything they know and love in order to escape?

Jesus, dude...go ahead and tell us how its the girls fault she got raped.

Every time I think you can't stoop any lower, you dig a hole under the fucking bar...

Fuck you, moonsweeper. That's not what I said, and if your head wasn't completely up your asshole, that would be obvious to you as well.

GeekyBugle claims that it was easy to escape mob condemnation a hundred years ago, but somehow you don't take that as him condoning lynch mobs back then. But of course, he can do no wrong since he's on your side.

Take your fucking strawman bullshit and stuff it where the sun doesn't shine.

I don't condone hate mobs either a hundred years ago or today. What I disagree about is that whether today's Internet hate mobs are so much worse than the hate mobs of a hundred years ago.

I never said anything about Geeky's statement.  However if you want me to, then I will.  It was easier to move and leave your life a hundred years ago.  His comment about the internet (although I would use the term World Wide Web in this case) is dead on.  Did you or did you not reference friends in the 80s and 90s creating an entirely new life...the 80s and 90s, before the rise of social media...hmmm.

Go ahead. 

Are you ready to give up your PhD and education?  How about your credit rating?  Good luck getting any job that requires a background check...what about your SSN...how much info is that tied to?  Good luck getting a job without that...

Unless you are advocating working under the table or pursuing criminal activity? 

Look at the people you reference as successful at fleeing in the current era criminals (already on the run), teenagers (no real employment/credit/education history) leaving their parents, and celebrities (who in this day and age may have enough to disappear and live a quiet life even if not up to their previous standard), spouses fleeing their partner (not being driven out by a mob so a much smaller trail, maybe criminal depending on the situation).

What about someone who gets targeted because they ask a question, donates to the wrong cause, or accidentally lets people know their political affiliation?  Do they ditch their kids or take them into hiding? How much harder is that?  How do you explain to your 10 year old that they can't ever see their old friends again?


It isn't like some people have been denied financial services, housing, or other services for their political views...oh wait...
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Re: Reputation based economies are dystopian hellholes
« Reply #62 on: May 05, 2021, 07:34:38 PM »
It's a lot easier to face a mob when you have allies and friends, rather than alone.
Where's that Captain America quote, about standing like a tree?

Or how about the greatest hero in the MCU?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMjnqhn4ycg
(Hint: It's not the guy in spandex.)

Fuck mobs. Fuck bending the knee. Fuck taking sides because fear needs numbers. We need more people to stand up, and do what's right. Even when the world's against them.

True, but it is harder for people to do when the mob will target their children/families.  Most don't understand yet that submitting won't protect their families. (although they are starting to learn)

I consider myself lucky since I don't have to worry about that one.
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Re: Reputation based economies are dystopian hellholes
« Reply #63 on: May 05, 2021, 07:36:22 PM »
I never said anything about Geeky's statement.  However if you want me to, then I will.  It was easier to move and leave your life a hundred years ago.  His comment about the internet (although I would use the term World Wide Web in this case) is dead on.  Did you or did you not reference friends in the 80s and 90s creating an entirely new life...the 80s and 90s, before the rise of social media...hmmm.

There is no way it was easier to move around a hundred years ago.  Just transport alone is completely different.  What are you going to do a hundred years ago, jump on a Zeppelin to fly to the USA?
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Re: Reputation based economies are dystopian hellholes
« Reply #64 on: May 05, 2021, 07:40:48 PM »
Greetings!

Yes, and every time the cock-sucking Liberals and SJW's Reee and get someone fired for "wrongthink"--that just inspires more seething resentment, hatred, and rage. More enraged men just arming up, and mowing these fucking people down. More people just out of the blue crushing some Liberal rainbow-haired freak's head in with a lead pipe. More enraged women strengthening their support for a growing resistance, that will increasingly become more violent, and more bloody.

And the Marxist SJW's have no one to blame but themselves, and the cock-sucking Marxist MSM that loves to create strife and division.

Bunch of stupid fucking retarded apes. They can a burn in the fires.

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Re: Reputation based economies are dystopian hellholes
« Reply #65 on: May 05, 2021, 08:14:22 PM »
I never said anything about Geeky's statement.  However if you want me to, then I will.  It was easier to move and leave your life a hundred years ago.  His comment about the internet (although I would use the term World Wide Web in this case) is dead on.  Did you or did you not reference friends in the 80s and 90s creating an entirely new life...the 80s and 90s, before the rise of social media...hmmm.

There is no way it was easier to move around a hundred years ago.  Just transport alone is completely different.  What are you going to do a hundred years ago, jump on a Zeppelin to fly to the USA?
Not quite what he's getting at. In terms of raw distance travel, yeah, we have an enormous amount of flexibility.

What Geeky's getting at is the difficulty in leaving behind a life and starting over nowadays.

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Re: Reputation based economies are dystopian hellholes
« Reply #66 on: May 05, 2021, 08:22:53 PM »
Look at the people you reference as successful at fleeing in the current era criminals (already on the run), teenagers (no real employment/credit/education history) leaving their parents, and celebrities (who in this day and age may have enough to disappear and live a quiet life even if not up to their previous standard), spouses fleeing their partner (not being driven out by a mob so a much smaller trail, maybe criminal depending on the situation).

What about someone who gets targeted because they ask a question, donates to the wrong cause, or accidentally lets people know their political affiliation?  Do they ditch their kids or take them into hiding? How much harder is that?  How do you explain to your 10 year old that they can't ever see their old friends again?

It isn't like some people have been denied financial services, housing, or other services for their political views...oh wait...

You explain to your 10 year old that they can't see their old friends ever again the same way that people a hundred years ago explained to *their* 10 year old that they can't ever see their old friends again. Painfully.

And yes, people have been denied financial services, housing, and other services for their political views -- again, just like a hundred years ago.

You're continuing to act as if I'm justifying it by saying that it's been around. I'm saying that this sort of intolerance is wrong and always has been wrong. I believe that we need to have understanding, dialog, and tolerance. I'm reminded of how in my church, we just had a service where a conservative Christian speaker was invited to share his views. We're a very liberal community, but we try our best to be understanding.

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Re: Reputation based economies are dystopian hellholes
« Reply #67 on: May 05, 2021, 08:52:51 PM »
Greetings!

Yes, and every time the cock-sucking Liberals and SJW's Reee and get someone fired for "wrongthink"--that just inspires more seething resentment, hatred, and rage. More enraged men just arming up, and mowing these fucking people down. More people just out of the blue crushing some Liberal rainbow-haired freak's head in with a lead pipe. More enraged women strengthening their support for a growing resistance, that will increasingly become more violent, and more bloody.

And the Marxist SJW's have no one to blame but themselves, and the cock-sucking Marxist MSM that loves to create strife and division.

Bunch of stupid fucking retarded apes. They can a burn in the fires.

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Oh come on a bunch of street militias with pre-planning couldn't even kill more than a couple cops in their way at the capitol, the inaction of the American populace on all fronts is pretty well-documented on all political fronts.

edit: it's also wild how all these cock-SJWing-Liberal-Marxists are this unstoppable threat that's also real weak and easily taken out
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Re: Reputation based economies are dystopian hellholes
« Reply #68 on: May 05, 2021, 09:10:55 PM »
Look at the people you reference as successful at fleeing in the current era criminals (already on the run), teenagers (no real employment/credit/education history) leaving their parents, and celebrities (who in this day and age may have enough to disappear and live a quiet life even if not up to their previous standard), spouses fleeing their partner (not being driven out by a mob so a much smaller trail, maybe criminal depending on the situation).

What about someone who gets targeted because they ask a question, donates to the wrong cause, or accidentally lets people know their political affiliation?  Do they ditch their kids or take them into hiding? How much harder is that?  How do you explain to your 10 year old that they can't ever see their old friends again?

It isn't like some people have been denied financial services, housing, or other services for their political views...oh wait...

You explain to your 10 year old that they can't see their old friends ever again the same way that people a hundred years ago explained to *their* 10 year old that they can't ever see their old friends again. Painfully.

And yes, people have been denied financial services, housing, and other services for their political views -- again, just like a hundred years ago.

You're continuing to act as if I'm justifying it by saying that it's been around. I'm saying that this sort of intolerance is wrong and always has been wrong. I believe that we need to have understanding, dialog, and tolerance. I'm reminded of how in my church, we just had a service where a conservative Christian speaker was invited to share his views. We're a very liberal community, but we try our best to be understanding.

https://www.uufrc.org/services/conversations-across-the-divide/

Riddle me this Jhkim:

A 100 years ago your greatest obstacle on moving and starting over was a bit of money.

Today people search your name in the web, think once you have been branded as a wazi people are going to want to hire you?

Your only hope would be a WITSEC style rebirth or working under the table for peanuts under an assumed name and hoping the mob never catches up to you.

The mob isn't in your town Jhkim, it's everywhere, and finding you is way easier today than 100 years ago. Hell than in the 80's, back then only the government had the power to track you all over the place. Today all it takes is a dozen authists to find where the terrorist is holled down.

Remember the find the flag thing 4chan did?

Now imagine the frothing at the mout true believers wanting to find you, with allies in every town in the world (almost). All it takes is your face accidentally captured in the viral tic toc of some idiot and boom, you're found.
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Re: Reputation based economies are dystopian hellholes
« Reply #69 on: May 05, 2021, 09:18:12 PM »
Yes, and every time the cock-sucking Liberals and SJW's Reee and get someone fired for "wrongthink"--that just inspires more seething resentment, hatred, and rage. More enraged men just arming up, and mowing these fucking people down. More people just out of the blue crushing some Liberal rainbow-haired freak's head in with a lead pipe. More enraged women strengthening their support for a growing resistance, that will increasingly become more violent, and more bloody.

And the Marxist SJW's have no one to blame but themselves, and the cock-sucking Marxist MSM that loves to create strife and division.

Oh come on a bunch of street militias with pre-planning couldn't even kill more than a couple cops in their way at the capitol, the inaction of the American populace on all fronts is pretty well-documented on all political fronts.

edit: it's also wild how all these cock-SJWing-Liberal-Marxists are this unstoppable threat that's also real weak and easily taken out

The Capitol rioters didn't kill any police or staff. (Officer Sicknick was belatedly ruled natural causes.) The rioters caused some police injuries but the deaths were their own. So when SHARK talks about arming up and mowing people down, I think he's talking more about something like the 2019 El Paso shooting - where the attacker was pretty effective in mowing down Latinos, killing 23. I don't think that the lead pipe is a specific reference. From brief search, there was an Australian man who was threatened with violence but not actually beaten for his rainbow hair, but I don't think that's what he's talking about.

Thankfully, despite inflammatory rhetoric, we've seen less violence in recent years than in the 1960s, but the trend has been going up.

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Re: Reputation based economies are dystopian hellholes
« Reply #70 on: May 05, 2021, 09:24:14 PM »
Yes, and every time the cock-sucking Liberals and SJW's Reee and get someone fired for "wrongthink"--that just inspires more seething resentment, hatred, and rage. More enraged men just arming up, and mowing these fucking people down. More people just out of the blue crushing some Liberal rainbow-haired freak's head in with a lead pipe. More enraged women strengthening their support for a growing resistance, that will increasingly become more violent, and more bloody.

And the Marxist SJW's have no one to blame but themselves, and the cock-sucking Marxist MSM that loves to create strife and division.

Oh come on a bunch of street militias with pre-planning couldn't even kill more than a couple cops in their way at the capitol, the inaction of the American populace on all fronts is pretty well-documented on all political fronts.

edit: it's also wild how all these cock-SJWing-Liberal-Marxists are this unstoppable threat that's also real weak and easily taken out

The Capitol rioters didn't kill any police or staff. (Officer Sicknick was belatedly ruled natural causes.) The rioters caused some police injuries but the deaths were their own. So when SHARK talks about arming up and mowing people down, I think he's talking more about something like the 2019 El Paso shooting - where the attacker was pretty effective in mowing down Latinos, killing 23. I don't think that the lead pipe is a specific reference. From brief search, there was an Australian man who was threatened with violence but not actually beaten for his rainbow hair, but I don't think that's what he's talking about.

Thankfully, despite inflammatory rhetoric, we've seen less violence in recent years than in the 1960s, but the trend has been going up.

Yeah my boss at the time was across the street when that shooting went down, it was real fucked-up.

But short sharp bursts of mass shootings don't do the kind of cleansing he's talking about, so I'm reading something more coordinated in mind.
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« Reply #71 on: May 05, 2021, 09:29:33 PM »
Both sides have a point.

It's very hard to disappear, today. Too much is tied to central databases, and too many things in life, from jobs to apartments to loans, require proving who you are. To disappear, you either need official help (like battered women or witness protection), or to be hiding from just a few people with limited resources (like your parents).

A thousand years ago, it was very hard to escape your village. You had to uproot yourself from everything and everyone you know, and you had no money because subsistence living. Travel was very hard.

A hundred years ago was in the middle of a transition. Travel was easier, there was more discretionary money to facilitate escape, and social ties had weakened. But while passports had started to be a thing and the government was getting ready to track people with magic numbers, databases and social media and omnipresent surveillance didn't yet exist. It was still rough, going out on your own, but it was easier to escape than either the earlier period, or the later period.
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Re: Reputation based economies are dystopian hellholes
« Reply #72 on: May 05, 2021, 10:46:29 PM »
I never said anything about Geeky's statement.  However if you want me to, then I will.  It was easier to move and leave your life a hundred years ago.  His comment about the internet (although I would use the term World Wide Web in this case) is dead on.  Did you or did you not reference friends in the 80s and 90s creating an entirely new life...the 80s and 90s, before the rise of social media...hmmm.

There is no way it was easier to move around a hundred years ago.  Just transport alone is completely different.  What are you going to do a hundred years ago, jump on a Zeppelin to fly to the USA?
Not quite what he's getting at. In terms of raw distance travel, yeah, we have an enormous amount of flexibility.

What Geeky's getting at is the difficulty in leaving behind a life and starting over nowadays.

Ok then exactly what is harder about moving now compared to any other time in history?
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« Reply #73 on: May 05, 2021, 11:14:49 PM »
I never said anything about Geeky's statement.  However if you want me to, then I will.  It was easier to move and leave your life a hundred years ago.  His comment about the internet (although I would use the term World Wide Web in this case) is dead on.  Did you or did you not reference friends in the 80s and 90s creating an entirely new life...the 80s and 90s, before the rise of social media...hmmm.

There is no way it was easier to move around a hundred years ago.  Just transport alone is completely different.  What are you going to do a hundred years ago, jump on a Zeppelin to fly to the USA?
Not quite what he's getting at. In terms of raw distance travel, yeah, we have an enormous amount of flexibility.

What Geeky's getting at is the difficulty in leaving behind a life and starting over nowadays.

Ok then exactly what is harder about moving now compared to any other time in history?

It's not about moving, it's about escaping the woke mob and starting again somewhere else.
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« Reply #74 on: May 06, 2021, 01:11:23 AM »
Thankfully, despite inflammatory rhetoric, we've seen less violence in recent years than in the 1960s, but the trend has been going up.
That's because the West is becoming older and fatter. Violence is for 20 year old slim people, not 40 year old fat people.