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Author Topic: Republican Senator Rand Paul and his Wife Threatened By BLM Mobs!  (Read 899 times)

Steven Mitchell

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Re: Republican Senator Rand Paul and his Wife Threatened By BLM Mobs!
« Reply #60 on: September 02, 2020, 10:11:01 PM »
Whatever.  It's clear that your blind spot on this or your animosity towards Paul or something else unclear from your posts is making it difficult for you to engage with the real world on this particular issue. 

That's not anything we are going to fix here.
Well, I guess I can't let a direct lie about me pass while accusing me of lying at the same time.  Congratulations, you got me to post again.  To save me and everyone else the bother later, if Pat has anything else to say about me, my stock answer is to go back and read the whole thread rather than take his word for it.

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Re: Republican Senator Rand Paul and his Wife Threatened By BLM Mobs!
« Reply #61 on: September 03, 2020, 02:42:19 AM »
Well, I guess I can't let a direct lie about me pass while accusing me of lying at the same time.  Congratulations, you got me to post again.  To save me and everyone else the bother later, if Pat has anything else to say about me, my stock answer is to go back and read the whole thread rather than take his word for it.
Of course I didn't lie. The post I quoted, and which you kindly quoted again, proves it. You just added in the rest of the post, which includes a personal attack directed at me. I didn't include it, because I was trying to address the content of what you said, and let the attacks pass. I don't think you realize how nasty your posts have been. You've very rarely addressed what I've said. Instead, your posts have been littered with cases where you just stating your personal, highly negative, opinions of me, my capabilities, and how I think. You probably think you're posting some objective truth, but you're not. Those are personal attacks, and particularly insidious ones, because you don't seem to realize it.

I agree we should drop this. I like discussions, and insults and strong words don't bother me. But when that's all there is, there's really no point.
« Last Edit: September 03, 2020, 04:50:40 AM by Pat »

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Re: Republican Senator Rand Paul and his Wife Threatened By BLM Mobs!
« Reply #62 on: September 03, 2020, 08:33:21 AM »
I don't where that's coming from. I've said repeatedly it was a scary situation, and haven't criticized their response in the moment. I'm criticizing Rand Paul's interview, which is clearly much later because the background appears to be a bright day and the scene with the protesters has lit street lights. In that interview, he makes repeated false claims portraying the situation not as a risk to his life, which would have been accurate if a bit overstated, because the risk was small and there was no sign it was escalating to a more violent confrontation, but as certain death if the police hadn't intervened. I quoted several examples of him doing that in my first post, and it's worth noting he also admitted that wasn't true -- in the middle of the interview he several times makes more moderate statements about the risk, before reverting back to the hyperbole. The hyperbole and the mussed hair (in contrast, his suit and tie seem perfectly coiffed; compare that to his tieless casualness in the clips from what was may have been the night before) make it clear this is a piece of political theater. All the responses I've gotten seem to be knee-jerk reactions based purely on assumed tribalism, not on looking at any of the actual facts.

Fuck tribalism, BTW. Idiots and grandstanders deserve to be criticized, regardless of their colors.
Tribalism has nothing to do with this, Pat.


Let me draw you a hypothetical scenario. You live in the United States. A man breaks into your house, screeching and frothing at the mouth. Before you can do anything he is flailing, attacking your significant other or child. You grab a chair and club him over the head, knocking him unconscious. He dies a short time later from a fractured skull.


Very, very few (if any) municipalities will attempt to prosecute you, even if it turns out the man was blameless for his condition, because the laws do not require you to 'mindread' a person's intentions. Only that you and your loved ones are in danger. The 'imminent peril' aspect is very important -- you can't trap a person, nor can you shoot them as they flee.


Yes, this has led to tragedies, but the alternative is worse. In the UK, you can be criminally charged with bodily harm/assault for defending yourself from attack if a prosecutor deems it 'excessive'. Such determinations are usually made well after the fact, not in the heat of the moment with adrenaline fizzing and fight/flight reactions giving you tunnel vision. Hence, hindsight being used to judge people.


See what I'm getting at now?




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Re: Republican Senator Rand Paul and his Wife Threatened By BLM Mobs!
« Reply #63 on: September 03, 2020, 11:28:29 AM »
-Political theater
-Literally getting shot at
Pick one

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Re: Republican Senator Rand Paul and his Wife Threatened By BLM Mobs!
« Reply #64 on: September 03, 2020, 12:44:12 PM »
-Political theater
-Literally getting shot at
Pick one



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Re: Republican Senator Rand Paul and his Wife Threatened By BLM Mobs!
« Reply #65 on: September 03, 2020, 02:52:39 PM »
See what I'm getting at now?
What does lethal self defense against a home invader have to do with an ex post facto exaggeration of a event that happened outside, and where nobody threw a punch?
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Re: Republican Senator Rand Paul and his Wife Threatened By BLM Mobs!
« Reply #66 on: September 03, 2020, 02:55:58 PM »
-Political theater
-Literally getting shot at
Pick one
I pick political theater, because nobody shot at anyone.

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Re: Republican Senator Rand Paul and his Wife Threatened By BLM Mobs!
« Reply #67 on: September 03, 2020, 03:12:52 PM »
I pick political theater, because nobody shot at anyone.
Fact: Rand Paul was shot at by some maniac at a baseball game
Fact: Steve Scalise was actually hit at said baseball game and suffered some serious, life-threatening injuries
Fact: Rand Paul was assaulted and beat up by his neighbor because, you know he doesn't like his politics or some nonsense
Fact: ANTIFA/BLM has performed acts of violence and someone was straight up murdered in cold blood in Portland a few days ago for having the audacity to not support their groups
Fact: Rand Paul was surrounded by an angry mob of ANTIFA/BLM that threatened to kill him

Pat's assessment: Rand Paul was being melodramatic about fearing for his life.

Dude, you're being a fucking retard. Just stop.

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Re: Republican Senator Rand Paul and his Wife Threatened By BLM Mobs!
« Reply #68 on: September 03, 2020, 03:15:53 PM »
Fact: Rand Paul was shot at by some maniac at a baseball game
Fact: That's not the event we're talking about.

Stop being a fucking moron.

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Re: Republican Senator Rand Paul and his Wife Threatened By BLM Mobs!
« Reply #69 on: September 03, 2020, 03:18:24 PM »
Fact: That's not the event we're talking about.

Stop being a fucking moron.
My name is Pat, I just want to ignore a long sequence of events that would lead someone to legitimately fear for their lives after a violent mob was saying they wanted to kill me.

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Re: Republican Senator Rand Paul and his Wife Threatened By BLM Mobs!
« Reply #70 on: September 03, 2020, 03:27:11 PM »
If a mob says they want to kill you, you should probably believe them.
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Re: Republican Senator Rand Paul and his Wife Threatened By BLM Mobs!
« Reply #71 on: September 03, 2020, 03:28:52 PM »
My name is Pat, I just want to ignore a long sequence of events that would lead someone to legitimately fear for their lives after a violent mob was saying they wanted to kill me.
I said repeatedly, including in my very first post in the thread, that it was a dangerous situation. That it could be life threatening, and that there was a possibility, albeit remote, that it could have led to violence or even death. And I've also repeatedly said that I don't fault Rand Paul, at all, for fearing for his life and his wife's life, while the event was happening. The only thing I've criticized is the blatant lie in an interview, which was clearly well after the fact.

So literally nothing you wrote about what I said is true.

Your name is Brad, and you can't read.