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Re: Reconciliation
« Reply #30 on: November 20, 2022, 04:54:56 PM »

Extremism in the cause of right is no vice and compromising with evil no virtue.

When Hitler wanted to exterminate all the Jews would it be virtuous to compromise and only let him murder half? Or would it be virtuous to do everything in your power to take the fucker down and save as many Jews as possible?

Now, me? I’m an extremist. I believe in making no compromises with Hitler or anyone else who wants others to die for their own benefit.

So, either admit that sometimes extremism is necessary and good or put your money where your mouth is and publically state for the record that the Allies should have compromised and let Hitler kill half the Jews on Earth.

Oh yes, I am hard-core moderate. The middle-way or death.

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« Reply #31 on: November 20, 2022, 05:05:37 PM »

It's not divisive to want to prosecute people who are criminals. Hillary Clinton is a criminal (as are most politicians). In a society with a functional Justice system, these people would be in jail.

As Eirikrautha points out, pretending to be moderate or centrist in this type of way is a fake, poseur stance and it demonstrates real character flaws that you're unwilling to actually make a principled stance in favor of something Good (Rule of Law / Justice).
No it's not "fake" it's a real stance. If you agree with everything on one side then you are probably the more of a fake. But I'm not saying you are, because you MIGHT have some stance that does not fit with the right. In which case you're a bit of a moderate.
Being an extremist is much worse.

"Moderation in defense of liberty is no virtue; extremism in defense of liberty is no vice." -- Barry Goldwater (an actual AMERICAN, who understood our culture and values).

This whole "the middle is so much better" argument is as European as it gets.  We don't want your advice on how to "fix" our country or politics.  Your ideas are the reason our politics are as screwed up as they are (socialism, communism, and the welfare state are imports).  If you are so enamored with the Euro-middle (which is far left in an American political sense), GO BACK THERE.  Otherwise, listen and learn what made America the greatest nation in the past millennia.  It wasn't European sensibilities, that's for sure...

Great, your version of the American way is working so well for you right now. I seem to be more fond of America than most Americans.  I have noticed that if someone posts some purely negative meme about America online, it's usually Americans who laugh. The people who laugh are usually the woke. Americans even invented a whole lot of the woke lingo, and many Europeans have noticed. For instance an extremely American thing is the over-emphasis on race. If anything makes me move, that will probably be the reason. 

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Re: Reconciliation
« Reply #32 on: November 20, 2022, 05:28:21 PM »

It's not divisive to want to prosecute people who are criminals. Hillary Clinton is a criminal (as are most politicians). In a society with a functional Justice system, these people would be in jail.

As Eirikrautha points out, pretending to be moderate or centrist in this type of way is a fake, poseur stance and it demonstrates real character flaws that you're unwilling to actually make a principled stance in favor of something Good (Rule of Law / Justice).
No it's not "fake" it's a real stance. If you agree with everything on one side then you are probably the more of a fake. But I'm not saying you are, because you MIGHT have some stance that does not fit with the right. In which case you're a bit of a moderate.
Being an extremist is much worse.

"Moderation in defense of liberty is no virtue; extremism in defense of liberty is no vice." -- Barry Goldwater (an actual AMERICAN, who understood our culture and values).

This whole "the middle is so much better" argument is as European as it gets.  We don't want your advice on how to "fix" our country or politics.  Your ideas are the reason our politics are as screwed up as they are (socialism, communism, and the welfare state are imports).  If you are so enamored with the Euro-middle (which is far left in an American political sense), GO BACK THERE.  Otherwise, listen and learn what made America the greatest nation in the past millennia.  It wasn't European sensibilities, that's for sure...

Yep.  It's not extremist to believe in traditional family values. 

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« Reply #33 on: November 20, 2022, 05:29:34 PM »

It's not divisive to want to prosecute people who are criminals. Hillary Clinton is a criminal (as are most politicians). In a society with a functional Justice system, these people would be in jail.

As Eirikrautha points out, pretending to be moderate or centrist in this type of way is a fake, poseur stance and it demonstrates real character flaws that you're unwilling to actually make a principled stance in favor of something Good (Rule of Law / Justice).
No it's not "fake" it's a real stance. If you agree with everything on one side then you are probably the more of a fake. But I'm not saying you are, because you MIGHT have some stance that does not fit with the right. In which case you're a bit of a moderate.
Being an extremist is much worse.

"Moderation in defense of liberty is no virtue; extremism in defense of liberty is no vice." -- Barry Goldwater (an actual AMERICAN, who understood our culture and values).

This whole "the middle is so much better" argument is as European as it gets.  We don't want your advice on how to "fix" our country or politics.  Your ideas are the reason our politics are as screwed up as they are (socialism, communism, and the welfare state are imports).  If you are so enamored with the Euro-middle (which is far left in an American political sense), GO BACK THERE.  Otherwise, listen and learn what made America the greatest nation in the past millennia.  It wasn't European sensibilities, that's for sure...

Great, your version of the American way is working so well for you right now. I seem to be more fond of America than most Americans.  I have noticed that if someone posts some purely negative meme about America online, it's usually Americans who laugh. The people who laugh are usually the woke. Americans even invented a whole lot of the woke lingo, and many Europeans have noticed. For instance an extremely American thing is the over-emphasis on race. If anything makes me move, that will probably be the reason.

The only people who overemphasize race are the hustlers and grifters who make their living keeping racism alive in the name of being anti-racist.

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Re: Reconciliation
« Reply #34 on: November 20, 2022, 05:33:46 PM »

It's not divisive to want to prosecute people who are criminals. Hillary Clinton is a criminal (as are most politicians). In a society with a functional Justice system, these people would be in jail.

As Eirikrautha points out, pretending to be moderate or centrist in this type of way is a fake, poseur stance and it demonstrates real character flaws that you're unwilling to actually make a principled stance in favor of something Good (Rule of Law / Justice).
No it's not "fake" it's a real stance. If you agree with everything on one side then you are probably the more of a fake. But I'm not saying you are, because you MIGHT have some stance that does not fit with the right. In which case you're a bit of a moderate.
Being an extremist is much worse.

"Moderation in defense of liberty is no virtue; extremism in defense of liberty is no vice." -- Barry Goldwater (an actual AMERICAN, who understood our culture and values).

This whole "the middle is so much better" argument is as European as it gets.  We don't want your advice on how to "fix" our country or politics.  Your ideas are the reason our politics are as screwed up as they are (socialism, communism, and the welfare state are imports).  If you are so enamored with the Euro-middle (which is far left in an American political sense), GO BACK THERE.  Otherwise, listen and learn what made America the greatest nation in the past millennia.  It wasn't European sensibilities, that's for sure...

Great, your version of the American way is working so well for you right now. I seem to be more fond of America than most Americans.  I have noticed that if someone posts some purely negative meme about America online, it's usually Americans who laugh. The people who laugh are usually the woke. Americans even invented a whole lot of the woke lingo, and many Europeans have noticed. For instance an extremely American thing is the over-emphasis on race. If anything makes me move, that will probably be the reason.

The only people who overemphasize race are the hustlers and grifters who make their living keeping racism alive in the name of being anti-racist.

I agree. And it's very much an American problem today, more so than almost anywhere else I can think of. Sweden is probably the closest.
« Last Edit: November 20, 2022, 05:35:22 PM by Trond »

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Re: Reconciliation
« Reply #35 on: November 20, 2022, 05:55:03 PM »
Greetings!

Compromise? NO COMPROMISE!

The Left are godless zombies that have embraced a globalist, Marxist philosophy. The Left--in whatever permutation or flavour--desire a society, country, and world, that is diametrically and fundamentally opposed to that of right-thinking Americans.

In such a situation, there is only one solution--WAR.

Either one side or the other wins. Whoever loses this struggle will be exterminated like cockroaches. Historically, when two cultures or political groups diametrically opposed to each other have existed, that is always how the conflict develops and is engaged. The losing culture or group is ruthlessly crushed.

So, that's how it must be.

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Re: Reconciliation
« Reply #36 on: November 20, 2022, 06:25:32 PM »

It's not divisive to want to prosecute people who are criminals. Hillary Clinton is a criminal (as are most politicians). In a society with a functional Justice system, these people would be in jail.

As Eirikrautha points out, pretending to be moderate or centrist in this type of way is a fake, poseur stance and it demonstrates real character flaws that you're unwilling to actually make a principled stance in favor of something Good (Rule of Law / Justice).
No it's not "fake" it's a real stance. If you agree with everything on one side then you are probably the more of a fake. But I'm not saying you are, because you MIGHT have some stance that does not fit with the right. In which case you're a bit of a moderate.
Being an extremist is much worse.

"Moderation in defense of liberty is no virtue; extremism in defense of liberty is no vice." -- Barry Goldwater (an actual AMERICAN, who understood our culture and values).

This whole "the middle is so much better" argument is as European as it gets.  We don't want your advice on how to "fix" our country or politics.  Your ideas are the reason our politics are as screwed up as they are (socialism, communism, and the welfare state are imports).  If you are so enamored with the Euro-middle (which is far left in an American political sense), GO BACK THERE.  Otherwise, listen and learn what made America the greatest nation in the past millennia.  It wasn't European sensibilities, that's for sure...

Great, your version of the American way is working so well for you right now. I seem to be more fond of America than most Americans.  I have noticed that if someone posts some purely negative meme about America online, it's usually Americans who laugh. The people who laugh are usually the woke. Americans even invented a whole lot of the woke lingo, and many Europeans have noticed. For instance an extremely American thing is the over-emphasis on race. If anything makes me move, that will probably be the reason.

The only people who overemphasize race are the hustlers and grifters who make their living keeping racism alive in the name of being anti-racist.

I agree. And it's very much an American problem today, more so than almost anywhere else I can think of. Sweden is probably the closest.
Because of the leftist (read "Soviet") infiltration of the universities and media.  The Soviet propaganda was always to try and draw moral equivalence between slavery and race relations and whatever the criticism of the USSR at the time, and their parrots in the universities and media simply repeated it.  As I mentioned above, the poison injected by the left in the 20s through the 60s has long outlived the poisoner.  This Influence is well documented, and at one point a major focus of our intelligence agencies.  Now those agencies have been co-opted as well.  Our "version" of America right now has been imported from Europe.  We don't need any more, so, unless you plan to learn more about what America actually stood for, you can leave at any time...

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Re: Reconciliation
« Reply #37 on: November 20, 2022, 07:05:02 PM »

Our "version" of America right now has been imported from Europe.  We don't need any more, so, unless you plan to learn more about what America actually stood for, you can leave at any time...

A lot of what America stood for was checks and balances, religious freedom etc. And a lot of this thinking came out of Enlightenment thinking.
The original "version" was made up of European immigrants, remember? And if you claim that no the ideas behind the American constitution is wholly American, then you might as well take credit for the wokeness. Of course, neither of those developed in a vacuum. For the last couple of decades now a lot of the wokeness has been coming from America, and is very much a product of American thinking gone wrong.

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« Reply #38 on: November 20, 2022, 09:48:01 PM »
Greetings!

Yes, Trond, European immigrants have contributed greatly to America. Primarily so in forging the foundations. Europeans and European thinking, philosophy, and influence throughout our history has been a mix of the very best and the very worst. Later on, of course, lots of other folks would put their efforts into making America great, whether they were Indians, Blacks, Eastern or Southern Europeans, Mexicans, Asians, and many other smaller groups.

YOU are still welcome here, in your new homeland, friend.

As for modern currents, plenty of the most terrible things have been home-grown right here, pushed and promoted and celebrated by native-born Americans. As Eirikautha pointed out--much of the inspiration from such terrible movements and philosophies ultimately have their roots again, in European circles, most prominently the Communists from the Soviet Union. Plenty of godless, degeneracy and corruption has also been inspired from the fucking French, British, Italians, and God knows who else. How about fucking Soros? That scumbag is Hungarian. I like Hungarians. Hungarians are great--but that fucker Soros can gargle with Napalm.

I think we have entered a terminal stage of our empire. The more recent fractures--driven by the Libtards--have pushed this country into all kinds of problems, that frankly, I think the differences, the world visions--are quite clear, and they are fundamentally different. In the past, as others mentioned, Chris I think--were minimal, and often stylistic rather than differences of a foundational philosophy. Those days are long gone, in the rearview mirror.

Now, we are dealing with the Libtards that hate white people, hate America, and hate Christianity. They also hate middle-class working people, CAPITALISTS, and our Republican government. Self Reliance, independence, parental authority, local autonomy, GUN RIGHTS AND GUNS!--the list goes on and on, and on.

The Libtards are merely godless, evil, tyrannical Globalist Marxists. Scratch the paint off, and they embody everything that this country has hated and worked against for the past hundred years. Yes, the political Communism, but also so much of everything else they believe and promote--is poisonous, corrupt, and hateful to everything that America traditionally stands for and cherishes.

Yes, in the past, we trained to go to war and kill these same kinds of people. We have worked to resist them and fight them here in every way, for generations.

They, themselves, have embraced the cloak and mantle of our enemy. Such is not what right-thinking Americans insisted on forcing upon them--they gleefully and proudly have embraced such ideology, and have built, and molded, and shaped themselves into the enemy of America. European Aristocrat Tyrants, Japanese Imperialists, German Nazis, Soviet Communists, Globalists--all of them, have contributed ingredients into being our enemy, and what we hate the most. It is fundamental, Trond.

The conflict is historical, philosophical, ideological--and spiritual. We are a free people, and they embrace an elitist, globalist Tyranny.

You wonder if we can "Compromise". In the past, we waged wars. We hunted these fuckers down in the courts or the streets, imprisoning them, killing them, or driving them to hide impotent in the shadows away from the light, lest they be crushed like a cockroach.

There isn't any room or even reason to compromise with these monsters. They are corruption, in the flesh, and poisonous to a good and strong America. This struggle will determine whether this country continues as an independent, free nation--a REPUBLIC--not a fucking "Democracy"--or becomes a globalist slave state, a gullible breeding farm of pigs and whoring strumpets that are easily manipulated and controlled with "Bread and Circuses" by the smug, ruling elites. The struggle embraces "Left and Right"--but also as mentioned, has grown to truly be far more than that. The struggle is not merely *political* now--over obscure policy differences--but the scope of conflict embraces ideology, religion, economics, our national history and identity, parents authority over their children, and on down the line. Family, faith, culture. So many things that aren't just a slight difference of opinion or approach--but so different, it makes people hate you, fearful of you, or want to crush you with a lead pipe. You don't fuck with the issues I listed above--and not get people violent real fast. Again, fundamental, deep conflicts. It isn't just older, white, Conservative men that are going nuts at schoolboard meetings, as we have often seen recently. Women have as well. Mothers, grandmothers, and more. Younger people are also standing up--and showing up--to protest, fight, and otherwise stand against the Leftist Globalist tyranny. Again, on many different issues. It has definitely intensified--and people have woken up to the threat of globalist Marxism, the tyrant mommy-state, the anti-white racism, the hatred of America, Christianity, our Bible, and our guns. More, and more. So, yeah, the fight is definitely coming, in many avenues and areas of society.

I expect more conflict, rather than less.

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Re: Reconciliation
« Reply #39 on: November 21, 2022, 01:47:34 AM »

It's not divisive to want to prosecute people who are criminals. Hillary Clinton is a criminal (as are most politicians). In a society with a functional Justice system, these people would be in jail.

As Eirikrautha points out, pretending to be moderate or centrist in this type of way is a fake, poseur stance and it demonstrates real character flaws that you're unwilling to actually make a principled stance in favor of something Good (Rule of Law / Justice).
No it's not "fake" it's a real stance. If you agree with everything on one side then you are probably the more of a fake. But I'm not saying you are, because you MIGHT have some stance that does not fit with the right. In which case you're a bit of a moderate.
Being an extremist is much worse.
Extremism in the cause of right is no vice and compromising with evil no virtue.

When Hitler wanted to exterminate all the Jews would it be virtuous to compromise and only let him murder half? Or would it be virtuous to do everything in your power to take the fucker down and save as many Jews as possible?

Now, me? I’m an extremist. I believe in making no compromises with Hitler or anyone else who wants others to die for their own benefit.

So, either admit that sometimes extremism is necessary and good or put your money where your mouth is and publically state for the record that the Allies should have compromised and let Hitler kill half the Jews on Earth.

The Nazi position was that the Jews were an existential threat, and that exterminating them was morally justified.

So their extremism was necessary.
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Re: Reconciliation
« Reply #40 on: November 21, 2022, 06:50:06 AM »

It's not divisive to want to prosecute people who are criminals. Hillary Clinton is a criminal (as are most politicians). In a society with a functional Justice system, these people would be in jail.

As Eirikrautha points out, pretending to be moderate or centrist in this type of way is a fake, poseur stance and it demonstrates real character flaws that you're unwilling to actually make a principled stance in favor of something Good (Rule of Law / Justice).
No it's not "fake" it's a real stance. If you agree with everything on one side then you are probably the more of a fake. But I'm not saying you are, because you MIGHT have some stance that does not fit with the right. In which case you're a bit of a moderate.
Being an extremist is much worse.
Extremism in the cause of right is no vice and compromising with evil no virtue.

When Hitler wanted to exterminate all the Jews would it be virtuous to compromise and only let him murder half? Or would it be virtuous to do everything in your power to take the fucker down and save as many Jews as possible?

Now, me? I’m an extremist. I believe in making no compromises with Hitler or anyone else who wants others to die for their own benefit.

So, either admit that sometimes extremism is necessary and good or put your money where your mouth is and publically state for the record that the Allies should have compromised and let Hitler kill half the Jews on Earth.

The Nazi position was that the Jews were an existential threat, and that exterminating them was morally justified.

So their extremism was necessary.

I guess the "... in defense of liberty" part was too difficult to read?  Exterminating others is not "liberty."  A leftist can try to twist words to mean what they don't (see "woman"), but that doesn't change the fact that liberty doesn't include killing off part of your citizenry.

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Re: Reconciliation
« Reply #41 on: November 21, 2022, 06:56:49 AM »
Greetings!

Yes, Trond, European immigrants have contributed greatly to America. Primarily so in forging the foundations. Europeans and European thinking, philosophy, and influence throughout our history has been a mix of the very best and the very worst. Later on, of course, lots of other folks would put their efforts into making America great, whether they were Indians, Blacks, Eastern or Southern Europeans, Mexicans, Asians, and many other smaller groups.

YOU are still welcome here, in your new homeland, friend.

As for modern currents, plenty of the most terrible things have been home-grown right here, pushed and promoted and celebrated by native-born Americans. As Eirikautha pointed out--much of the inspiration from such terrible movements and philosophies ultimately have their roots again, in European circles, most prominently the Communists from the Soviet Union. Plenty of godless, degeneracy and corruption has also been inspired from the fucking French, British, Italians, and God knows who else. How about fucking Soros? That scumbag is Hungarian. I like Hungarians. Hungarians are great--but that fucker Soros can gargle with Napalm.

I think we have entered a terminal stage of our empire. The more recent fractures--driven by the Libtards--have pushed this country into all kinds of problems, that frankly, I think the differences, the world visions--are quite clear, and they are fundamentally different. In the past, as others mentioned, Chris I think--were minimal, and often stylistic rather than differences of a foundational philosophy. Those days are long gone, in the rearview mirror.

Now, we are dealing with the Libtards that hate white people, hate America, and hate Christianity. They also hate middle-class working people, CAPITALISTS, and our Republican government. Self Reliance, independence, parental authority, local autonomy, GUN RIGHTS AND GUNS!--the list goes on and on, and on.

The Libtards are merely godless, evil, tyrannical Globalist Marxists. Scratch the paint off, and they embody everything that this country has hated and worked against for the past hundred years. Yes, the political Communism, but also so much of everything else they believe and promote--is poisonous, corrupt, and hateful to everything that America traditionally stands for and cherishes.

Yes, in the past, we trained to go to war and kill these same kinds of people. We have worked to resist them and fight them here in every way, for generations.

They, themselves, have embraced the cloak and mantle of our enemy. Such is not what right-thinking Americans insisted on forcing upon them--they gleefully and proudly have embraced such ideology, and have built, and molded, and shaped themselves into the enemy of America. European Aristocrat Tyrants, Japanese Imperialists, German Nazis, Soviet Communists, Globalists--all of them, have contributed ingredients into being our enemy, and what we hate the most. It is fundamental, Trond.

The conflict is historical, philosophical, ideological--and spiritual. We are a free people, and they embrace an elitist, globalist Tyranny.

You wonder if we can "Compromise". In the past, we waged wars. We hunted these fuckers down in the courts or the streets, imprisoning them, killing them, or driving them to hide impotent in the shadows away from the light, lest they be crushed like a cockroach.

There isn't any room or even reason to compromise with these monsters. They are corruption, in the flesh, and poisonous to a good and strong America. This struggle will determine whether this country continues as an independent, free nation--a REPUBLIC--not a fucking "Democracy"--or becomes a globalist slave state, a gullible breeding farm of pigs and whoring strumpets that are easily manipulated and controlled with "Bread and Circuses" by the smug, ruling elites. The struggle embraces "Left and Right"--but also as mentioned, has grown to truly be far more than that. The struggle is not merely *political* now--over obscure policy differences--but the scope of conflict embraces ideology, religion, economics, our national history and identity, parents authority over their children, and on down the line. Family, faith, culture. So many things that aren't just a slight difference of opinion or approach--but so different, it makes people hate you, fearful of you, or want to crush you with a lead pipe. You don't fuck with the issues I listed above--and not get people violent real fast. Again, fundamental, deep conflicts. It isn't just older, white, Conservative men that are going nuts at schoolboard meetings, as we have often seen recently. Women have as well. Mothers, grandmothers, and more. Younger people are also standing up--and showing up--to protest, fight, and otherwise stand against the Leftist Globalist tyranny. Again, on many different issues. It has definitely intensified--and people have woken up to the threat of globalist Marxism, the tyrant mommy-state, the anti-white racism, the hatred of America, Christianity, our Bible, and our guns. More, and more. So, yeah, the fight is definitely coming, in many avenues and areas of society.

I expect more conflict, rather than less.

Semper Fidelis,

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Gonna have to disagree with one part of this, SHARK.  What's the worst part about Florida?  The fact that a bunch of New Yorkers , who've already screwed up their state to the point where they feel the need to leave, move down and then vote in Florida for the same stuff they did in New York.  Ditto that for Californians moving to Texas.  The sheer hubris, the unbridled arrogance, to leave some other country for America, only to decide you can lecture us on how we need to change in order to "get along".  We don't need that.  Become an American (in mind, as well as residence) first...

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Re: Reconciliation
« Reply #42 on: November 21, 2022, 10:12:35 AM »

It's not divisive to want to prosecute people who are criminals. Hillary Clinton is a criminal (as are most politicians). In a society with a functional Justice system, these people would be in jail.

As Eirikrautha points out, pretending to be moderate or centrist in this type of way is a fake, poseur stance and it demonstrates real character flaws that you're unwilling to actually make a principled stance in favor of something Good (Rule of Law / Justice).
No it's not "fake" it's a real stance. If you agree with everything on one side then you are probably the more of a fake. But I'm not saying you are, because you MIGHT have some stance that does not fit with the right. In which case you're a bit of a moderate.
Being an extremist is much worse.
Extremism in the cause of right is no vice and compromising with evil no virtue.

When Hitler wanted to exterminate all the Jews would it be virtuous to compromise and only let him murder half? Or would it be virtuous to do everything in your power to take the fucker down and save as many Jews as possible?

Now, me? I’m an extremist. I believe in making no compromises with Hitler or anyone else who wants others to die for their own benefit.

So, either admit that sometimes extremism is necessary and good or put your money where your mouth is and publically state for the record that the Allies should have compromised and let Hitler kill half the Jews on Earth.

The Nazi position was that the Jews were an existential threat, and that exterminating them was morally justified.

So their extremism was necessary.
Outside of cartoons, evil always claims it’s doing a good thing, but as the saying goes, “by your fruits you will know them.” Any ideology or group that says innocents need to die for their good to be reached is evil and needs to be opposed. The Nazis were evildoers making excuses for why their evils were actually good.

By contrast, I don’t need or even want the Left dead; I just need them out of power so they can no longer hurt innocent people.

Compromise with evil may be a lesser evil, but it is still evil and should always be rejected unless every better option is impossible. Compromise just for compromise’s sake when what the other side wants is evil (and will keep pushing for more… requiring ever more “compromise”) is nothing but capitulation.

Because the Left/Evil will never honor a compromise. You agree that only half the Jews should be executed and six months down the line they’re back wanting to kill all Jews and the compromise is to agree that half of the half spared must be executed… then six months after that this repeats and now nearly 90% are dead and the evil ones will then demand another compromise and another until finally the last Jew must be cleaved in two in the name of compromise.

Compromise only works when both sides are dealing in good faith. Evil never acts in good faith.

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Re: Reconciliation
« Reply #43 on: November 21, 2022, 10:25:34 AM »

It's not divisive to want to prosecute people who are criminals. Hillary Clinton is a criminal (as are most politicians). In a society with a functional Justice system, these people would be in jail.

As Eirikrautha points out, pretending to be moderate or centrist in this type of way is a fake, poseur stance and it demonstrates real character flaws that you're unwilling to actually make a principled stance in favor of something Good (Rule of Law / Justice).
No it's not "fake" it's a real stance. If you agree with everything on one side then you are probably the more of a fake. But I'm not saying you are, because you MIGHT have some stance that does not fit with the right. In which case you're a bit of a moderate.
Being an extremist is much worse.
Extremism in the cause of right is no vice and compromising with evil no virtue.

When Hitler wanted to exterminate all the Jews would it be virtuous to compromise and only let him murder half? Or would it be virtuous to do everything in your power to take the fucker down and save as many Jews as possible?

Now, me? I’m an extremist. I believe in making no compromises with Hitler or anyone else who wants others to die for their own benefit.

So, either admit that sometimes extremism is necessary and good or put your money where your mouth is and publically state for the record that the Allies should have compromised and let Hitler kill half the Jews on Earth.

The Nazi position was that the Jews were an existential threat, and that exterminating them was morally justified.

So their extremism was necessary.

I guess the "... in defense of liberty" part was too difficult to read?  Exterminating others is not "liberty."  A leftist can try to twist words to mean what they don't (see "woman"), but that doesn't change the fact that liberty doesn't include killing off part of your citizenry.

So are you willing to make compromises and coexist with the radical left? Because they aren't going away and they will not stop.
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Re: Reconciliation
« Reply #44 on: November 21, 2022, 10:33:51 AM »
Any ideology or position can be bad. There's no easy shortcut to avoid being The Bad Guy, even if you're "for Liberty" or some other nonsense.

For example, it's definitely arguable that we have too much "liberty" in America. Letting criminals walk free with little to no consequences, to commit further crimes, might in some sense further "liberty." Nevertheless it's definitely not Good to let evil psychopaths go on to rape and commit murder on innocents.