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Author Topic: Reconciliation  (Read 4818 times)

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Re: Reconciliation
« Reply #15 on: November 19, 2022, 11:06:03 PM »
There can be no compromise. If you're for sexualizing children, allowing completely unrestrained illegal immigration, and throwing good money after bad on countries that hate the US, you're complete anti-American and should be killed.

See what I mean? The lefties want to rape our children, the righties want to kill the gays, the lefties want to murder babies, the righties want to enslave women.
How can these two positions possible reconcile?

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I would have zero problems with an insurgency that killed off leftists.  The problem, however, is that humans can't just stop, they have to find "the next" and it turns into the French Revolution.  We *already* see this from leftists who find "-ist" behavior where it doesn't exist because they have to have some form of commie struggle.

That having been said, one would *hope* that an insurgency by conservatives (not neocons) and combat vets would be well-regulated.

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Re: Reconciliation
« Reply #16 on: November 20, 2022, 12:05:34 AM »
There can be no compromise. If you're for sexualizing children, allowing completely unrestrained illegal immigration, and throwing good money after bad on countries that hate the US, you're complete anti-American and should be killed.

See what I mean? The lefties want to rape our children, the righties want to kill the gays, the lefties want to murder babies, the righties want to enslave women.
How can these two positions possible reconcile?

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I would have zero problems with an insurgency that killed off leftists.  The problem, however, is that humans can't just stop, they have to find "the next" and it turns into the French Revolution.  We *already* see this from leftists who find "-ist" behavior where it doesn't exist because they have to have some form of commie struggle.

That having been said, one would *hope* that an insurgency by conservatives (not neocons) and combat vets would be well-regulated.

Hope in one hand and shit in the other...

Just to turn things up a notch; Maybe both sides can become friends if they find a common scapegoat. It’s the Jews I tell you, the Jeeews!

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Re: Reconciliation
« Reply #17 on: November 20, 2022, 08:39:25 AM »
From my perspective, the ball is entirely on one side of the court. And it isn't my side.

One side wants the other to cease to be silenced, shut out of society, degraded, humiliated, mocked, and ultimately cease to exist. And it's not my side. I'm wiling to live and let live, they aren't.

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Re: Reconciliation
« Reply #18 on: November 20, 2022, 01:17:03 PM »
-To the right wing first, you have to realize that Trump is a divisive figure, quite possibly too divisive. Even if you agree with his ideas, it shouldn't be hard to realize that the guy rubs A LOT of people the wrong way, even a good chunk of traditionally conservative people.
Trump isn’t divisive. Trump didn’t create MAGA. Trump just gave a voice to the producing class that has been denied one by a technocratic globalist elite. Just like the TEA Party was before (that the Uniparty elites co-opted in order to stamp it out too).

Anyone who espouses MAGA-like beliefs will be just as attacked and derided because its not the person… its the MESSAGE that challenges the authority of our self-appointed parasitical “betters” that they want destroyed. Those of us they don’t want “reduced” (i.e. murdered) they want enslaved in high density urban housing eating bugs and genetically modified grass with our every move tracked while they travel in private jets to private island resorts to dine on grass fed prime rib and roast duck as they devise policies to make everyone else even more subservient to their whims.

It’s also a mistake to presume that even the elite’s dupes want that life… they’ve been sold the same false bill of goods of a personal utopia if they’ll just comply in bringing about the tyrants’ control of the system but will probably be the first on the chopping blocks as is always the case with useful idiots who are no longer necessary for their leaders’ plans.

If they didn’t have the marching orders of the couple thousand elitist assholes to tear down the rest of society so they can then rule the ashes we could live with them just fine. It’s the couple thousand WEF and similar self-appointed elites who want to run everyone’s lives from cradle to grave we can’t live with.

Remove Trump and the movement he represents will still be here wanting the same things because the desires are organic. Remove the elites from the other side and the mass of devotees would quickly dissolve because only the elites truly desire their goals (and even many of them lack the understanding that what they want is impossible and will destroy them long before it does more than hurt the productive classes).

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Re: Reconciliation
« Reply #19 on: November 20, 2022, 01:42:23 PM »
-To the right wing first, you have to realize that Trump is a divisive figure, quite possibly too divisive. Even if you agree with his ideas, it shouldn't be hard to realize that the guy rubs A LOT of people the wrong way, even a good chunk of traditionally conservative people.
Trump isn’t divisive. ....
He most definitely is. With chants like "lock her up" he made political discussion continue its downward spiral. His bragging also rubs people the wrong way. To begin with he didn't even know who his base was, so he would sometimes e.g. make statements in favor of more censorship (of video games etc).

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Re: Reconciliation
« Reply #20 on: November 20, 2022, 01:49:12 PM »
Well, for a couple of reasons, this thread is part of the problem in American politics.  First, it treats compromise as if it is always the best resolution of a problem, when that is not always the case.  Let's say I want to rape your 4 daughters.  You don't want me to rape your daughters at all.  Is the proper resolution to this letting me rape two of them?  Sometimes the "middle" is just as wrong as the extremes.

Fifty years ago, democrats and republicans both believed in the American Dream.  They believed that America offered the best possible outcome for its citizens, compared to any other country or culture.  They were all American Exceptionalists.  They saw American culture and its ethos as a force for good in the world.  They just differed on how that ethos was to be spread, safeguarded, and extended to all of its citizens (and immigrants).  Both sides believed in the great melting pot.

Now, both sides do NOT share a common vision of what America should be.  One sides hates the American Dream, calls it racist, sexist, and bigoted, believes it is illegitimate and evil at its founding.  One side no longer believes that immigrants should be assimilated into American culture; in fact, they believe that immigrant cultures are equal to or better than American culture.  One side no longer accepts the institutions of America, the law, the self-reliance, the freedom of speech.  Are you suggesting that I should compromise with those who say I can't state what I see as a biological fact, because it might hurt the feelings of some dude who wishes he was a chick?  That's "reconciliation"?  Sounds a lot more like "capitulation"...

And third, with all due respect, as an immigrant you need to shut the fuck up.  You left your country and your culture.  If your country or culture had anything to offer, then you should have stuck it out there.  Most of the ideas that have caused the degradation of American culture are foreign in origin to begin with.  Europeans invented fascism, communism, socialism, the welfare state.  They invented speech codes, disarmed their populations, and yoked themselves with an unelected aristocracy to give them orders.  The communists managed to infiltrate the universities and media to bring that garbage over here (and it poisoned us, so that we have still declined long after the Soviets have fallen).  If you had any sense or self-awareness, you might have recognized that, maybe, you should learn about what we do here, how we think, live, prosper, before you butt your nose in with ill-informed opinions.  Learn to be an American before you tell us what we need to do.  We've got enough "help" from our immigrants... we don't need any more of your culture...

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Re: Reconciliation
« Reply #21 on: November 20, 2022, 02:23:23 PM »
Trump isn’t divisive. ....
He most definitely is. With chants like "lock her up" he made political discussion continue its downward spiral...

It's not divisive to want to prosecute people who are criminals. Hillary Clinton is a criminal (as are most politicians). In a society with a functional Justice system, these people would be in jail.

As Eirikrautha points out, pretending to be moderate or centrist in this type of way is a fake, poseur stance and it demonstrates real character flaws that you're unwilling to actually make a principled stance in favor of something Good (Rule of Law / Justice).

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Re: Reconciliation
« Reply #22 on: November 20, 2022, 02:43:22 PM »
Regarding the trans agenda and sexualizing of children... Most leftists don't support that stuff, they are just to stupid to realize how far their side has gone so quickly. GOP needs to put this sort of thing front and center on every election and force the Democrats to state their position.
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Re: Reconciliation
« Reply #23 on: November 20, 2022, 02:57:30 PM »
-To the right wing first, you have to realize that Trump is a divisive figure, quite possibly too divisive. Even if you agree with his ideas, it shouldn't be hard to realize that the guy rubs A LOT of people the wrong way, even a good chunk of traditionally conservative people.
Trump isn’t divisive. ....
He most definitely is. With chants like "lock her up" he made political discussion continue its downward spiral. His bragging also rubs people the wrong way. To begin with he didn't even know who his base was, so he would sometimes e.g. make statements in favor of more censorship (of video games etc).
And by avoiding the rest of the statement you ignore the actual point to argue an irrelevant side detail.

Anyone, no matter how polite, who genuinely espoused President Trump’s populist positions would be labeled divisive and attacked without mercy by the eilte-controlled globalist media and investigated without end by the Department of Injustice and Federal Bullies of Intimidation.

You aren’t American so you’re probably unaware that the Leftist elites loved President Trump and his speech and bragging right up until he turned it against them. Only when it was turned on them was it divisive and unacceptable. The part the elites really object to isn’t the messenger (Trump) it’s the message (i.e. America should do what’s best for the working class and producers instead of for a handful of self-entitled parasite grifters).

They pulled the exact same crap on Kari Lake because she had the exact same message. To the extent Ron DeSantis hasn’t completely sold out to his new billionaire donors looking for a return to the days where the Chamber of Crony Commerce decided what the Republic party would and would not support… they oppose him too.

By contrast, Lying Liz Cheney is an acceptable Republican because she wants the same grifting environmental and endless war grifting the rest of the elites do.

The divide isn’t even Left or Right… it’s elitist parasite vs. the working/producing class. There are plenty supposedly on the Right (ex. McConnell and McCarthy and Romney) who are every bit aligned with the Left in destroying the ability of the working/producing class to have a voice in government.

Until you understand that you will fail to understand what’s really going on in US politics and why compromise is impossible.

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Re: Reconciliation
« Reply #24 on: November 20, 2022, 03:09:14 PM »
Regarding the trans agenda and sexualizing of children... Most leftists don't support that stuff, they are just to stupid to realize how far their side has gone so quickly. GOP needs to put this sort of thing front and center on every election and force the Democrats to state their position.

Nope.  They know.  How many leftists have accidentally crossed the line, made a comment about trans that gets them canceled?  Almost none.  They toe the line on social media, at work, among their peers.  They know what's going on; they just have no interest in reigning in their compatriots.  They may not be willing to do the dirty work themselves, but they are happy with the outcome.

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Re: Reconciliation
« Reply #25 on: November 20, 2022, 03:18:06 PM »

It's not divisive to want to prosecute people who are criminals. Hillary Clinton is a criminal (as are most politicians). In a society with a functional Justice system, these people would be in jail.

As Eirikrautha points out, pretending to be moderate or centrist in this type of way is a fake, poseur stance and it demonstrates real character flaws that you're unwilling to actually make a principled stance in favor of something Good (Rule of Law / Justice).
No it's not "fake" it's a real stance. If you agree with everything on one side then you are probably the more of a fake. But I'm not saying you are, because you MIGHT have some stance that does not fit with the right. In which case you're a bit of a moderate.
Being an extremist is much worse. 

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Re: Reconciliation
« Reply #26 on: November 20, 2022, 03:29:39 PM »
Leftists as they operate politically right now are openly and aggressively anti white.   They can say what ever they want and operate under direct color of law in many institutions being just that, anti white.  They also want boys in girl's locker rooms.  I can not, and will not ever reach anything that looks like compromise with those positions.  I have no interest to do so and will make no effort to do so.  What I will do is teach and train my kids to be pinnacle mental and physical performance, because they will have to be the ones to survive when shit really hits the fan in 15-20 years.   Lots of things could prevent SHTF, technology breakthroughs, aliens landing, WW3, etc.  But on current course with political direction I get to be told to find "common ground" with people who want trannies around kids/boys in girl locker rooms and who are openly anti white.  Hard Pass.

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Re: Reconciliation
« Reply #27 on: November 20, 2022, 03:54:12 PM »
No it's not "fake" it's a real stance. If you agree with everything on one side then you are probably the more of a fake. But I'm not saying you are, because you MIGHT have some stance that does not fit with the right. In which case you're a bit of a moderate.
Being an extremist is much worse.

I'm genuinely trying to understand your perspective here: You think that the moderate position is to be okay with mobsters running the government for their own profit, killing people and starting wars for personal enrichment and power?

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Re: Reconciliation
« Reply #28 on: November 20, 2022, 04:01:24 PM »

It's not divisive to want to prosecute people who are criminals. Hillary Clinton is a criminal (as are most politicians). In a society with a functional Justice system, these people would be in jail.

As Eirikrautha points out, pretending to be moderate or centrist in this type of way is a fake, poseur stance and it demonstrates real character flaws that you're unwilling to actually make a principled stance in favor of something Good (Rule of Law / Justice).
No it's not "fake" it's a real stance. If you agree with everything on one side then you are probably the more of a fake. But I'm not saying you are, because you MIGHT have some stance that does not fit with the right. In which case you're a bit of a moderate.
Being an extremist is much worse.
Extremism in the cause of right is no vice and compromising with evil no virtue.

When Hitler wanted to exterminate all the Jews would it be virtuous to compromise and only let him murder half? Or would it be virtuous to do everything in your power to take the fucker down and save as many Jews as possible?

Now, me? I’m an extremist. I believe in making no compromises with Hitler or anyone else who wants others to die for their own benefit.

So, either admit that sometimes extremism is necessary and good or put your money where your mouth is and publically state for the record that the Allies should have compromised and let Hitler kill half the Jews on Earth.

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Re: Reconciliation
« Reply #29 on: November 20, 2022, 04:39:47 PM »

It's not divisive to want to prosecute people who are criminals. Hillary Clinton is a criminal (as are most politicians). In a society with a functional Justice system, these people would be in jail.

As Eirikrautha points out, pretending to be moderate or centrist in this type of way is a fake, poseur stance and it demonstrates real character flaws that you're unwilling to actually make a principled stance in favor of something Good (Rule of Law / Justice).
No it's not "fake" it's a real stance. If you agree with everything on one side then you are probably the more of a fake. But I'm not saying you are, because you MIGHT have some stance that does not fit with the right. In which case you're a bit of a moderate.
Being an extremist is much worse.

"Moderation in defense of liberty is no virtue; extremism in defense of liberty is no vice." -- Barry Goldwater (an actual AMERICAN, who understood our culture and values).

This whole "the middle is so much better" argument is as European as it gets.  We don't want your advice on how to "fix" our country or politics.  Your ideas are the reason our politics are as screwed up as they are (socialism, communism, and the welfare state are imports).  If you are so enamored with the Euro-middle (which is far left in an American political sense), GO BACK THERE.  Otherwise, listen and learn what made America the greatest nation in the past millennia.  It wasn't European sensibilities, that's for sure...