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Re: the end result of the SJW plague.
« Reply #60 on: June 29, 2021, 02:27:00 PM »
"Recently, the one place where corporations have made concessions is giving lip service to social liberalism..."

Someone missed the recent NFL promo where they proudly declared 'FOOTBALL IS GAY'.

Alrighty then.

My point is that by and large, corporations don't give a shit whether they say "FOOTBALL IS GAY" or "GAYS SUCK".

They will say whatever they think helps them keep their money and power. It's all about the bottom line.

It is a sign of the success of social liberalism that homosexuality is now largely accepted by audiences and consumers - but it doesn't mean that anything has inherently changed about corporations. They have always said whatever maximized their profit.

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« Reply #61 on: June 29, 2021, 05:44:24 PM »
My point is that by and large, corporations don't give a shit whether they say "FOOTBALL IS GAY" or "GAYS SUCK".

They will say whatever they think helps them keep their money and power. It's all about the bottom line.

It is a sign of the success of social liberalism that homosexuality is now largely accepted by audiences and consumers - but it doesn't mean that anything has inherently changed about corporations. They have always said whatever maximized their profit.
How many companies used to profess conservative things? I can think of Hobby Lobby, Chic Fil-A, and... crickets.

It's really weird that nearly all major companies, including every big name you can think of, suddenly, almost overnight, started loudly professing progressive principles. Because, as you point out, companies are incentivized to maximize their profits. Which meant they almost always kept mum about politics, because they didn't want to alienate either half of the electorate.
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« Reply #62 on: June 29, 2021, 07:14:20 PM »
My point is that by and large, corporations don't give a shit whether they say "FOOTBALL IS GAY" or "GAYS SUCK".

They will say whatever they think helps them keep their money and power. It's all about the bottom line.

It is a sign of the success of social liberalism that homosexuality is now largely accepted by audiences and consumers - but it doesn't mean that anything has inherently changed about corporations. They have always said whatever maximized their profit.
How many companies used to profess conservative things? I can think of Hobby Lobby, Chic Fil-A, and... crickets.

It's really weird that nearly all major companies, including every big name you can think of, suddenly, almost overnight, started loudly professing progressive principles. Because, as you point out, companies are incentivized to maximize their profits. Which meant they almost always kept mum about politics, because they didn't want to alienate either half of the electorate.

All the signaling, ranbow flags. pink ribbons, and cancelled national anthems serve one basic purpose

to rainbow-wash a corporations image, and distract the public from the controversial business practices of the companies doing this stuff

Don't pay any attention to those 10 year-old kids working in sweatshops making Nike shoes, focus on how Nike endorses BLM!!!!

Don't look into WOTC / Hasbro's use of child labor in China for toys, minis, etc. Don't look into their printing operations that involve working people 80 hours a week for poverty wages. Just be happy you got your Players Handbook and dragon mini, and that WOTC is an ally for transgender rights!

Be happy that Starbucks gives you goo coffee and supports Democratic politicians, but don't pay much attention to their support of a charity in England which provides children with gender-re-assignment


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« Reply #63 on: June 29, 2021, 08:13:21 PM »
My point is that by and large, corporations don't give a shit whether they say "FOOTBALL IS GAY" or "GAYS SUCK".

They will say whatever they think helps them keep their money and power. It's all about the bottom line.

It is a sign of the success of social liberalism that homosexuality is now largely accepted by audiences and consumers - but it doesn't mean that anything has inherently changed about corporations. They have always said whatever maximized their profit.
How many companies used to profess conservative things? I can think of Hobby Lobby, Chic Fil-A, and... crickets.

It's really weird that nearly all major companies, including every big name you can think of, suddenly, almost overnight, started loudly professing progressive principles. Because, as you point out, companies are incentivized to maximize their profits. Which meant they almost always kept mum about politics, because they didn't want to alienate either half of the electorate.

All the signaling, ranbow flags. pink ribbons, and cancelled national anthems serve one basic purpose

to rainbow-wash a corporations image, and distract the public from the controversial business practices of the companies doing this stuff

Don't pay any attention to those 10 year-old kids working in sweatshops making Nike shoes, focus on how Nike endorses BLM!!!!

Don't look into WOTC / Hasbro's use of child labor in China for toys, minis, etc. Don't look into their printing operations that involve working people 80 hours a week for poverty wages. Just be happy you got your Players Handbook and dragon mini, and that WOTC is an ally for transgender rights!

Be happy that Starbucks gives you goo coffee and supports Democratic politicians, but don't pay much attention to their support of a charity in England which provides children with gender-re-assignment

I thought WotC was printing in the US of A nowdays?
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« Reply #64 on: June 30, 2021, 09:55:28 AM »
"Recently, the one place where corporations have made concessions is giving lip service to social liberalism..."

Someone missed the recent NFL promo where they proudly declared 'FOOTBALL IS GAY'.

Alrighty then.

My point is that by and large, corporations don't give a shit whether they say "FOOTBALL IS GAY" or "GAYS SUCK".

They will say whatever they think helps them keep their money and power. It's all about the bottom line.

It is a sign of the success of social liberalism that homosexuality is now largely accepted by audiences and consumers - but it doesn't mean that anything has inherently changed about corporations. They have always said whatever maximized their profit.

   "Accepted", no.  Tolerated, yes.  There is a big fucking difference.   Success...well if basically ending anyone's professional life that shows public dissonance towards sodomy is success, I think you are dead on there.
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« Reply #65 on: June 30, 2021, 01:02:58 PM »
My point is that by and large, corporations don't give a shit whether they say "FOOTBALL IS GAY" or "GAYS SUCK".

They will say whatever they think helps them keep their money and power. It's all about the bottom line.

It is a sign of the success of social liberalism that homosexuality is now largely accepted by audiences and consumers - but it doesn't mean that anything has inherently changed about corporations. They have always said whatever maximized their profit.

   "Accepted", no.  Tolerated, yes.  There is a big fucking difference.   Success...well if basically ending anyone's professional life that shows public dissonance towards sodomy is success, I think you are dead on there.

Well, yeah, I'd call it success. You might consider that success a bad thing, but it's still happened.

Likewise, the U.S. pro-corporate stance had success in recent decades. I don't like it - but I think the reduction in corporate taxes, the bailouts, the toothless regulation, and the lack of significant antitrust action or campaign finance reform all amount to clear success.

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« Reply #66 on: June 30, 2021, 01:05:02 PM »
My point is that by and large, corporations don't give a shit whether they say "FOOTBALL IS GAY" or "GAYS SUCK".

They will say whatever they think helps them keep their money and power. It's all about the bottom line.

It is a sign of the success of social liberalism that homosexuality is now largely accepted by audiences and consumers - but it doesn't mean that anything has inherently changed about corporations. They have always said whatever maximized their profit.

   "Accepted", no.  Tolerated, yes.  There is a big fucking difference.   Success...well if basically ending anyone's professional life that shows public dissonance towards sodomy is success, I think you are dead on there.

Well, yeah, I'd call it success. You might consider that success a bad thing, but it's still happened.

Likewise, the U.S. pro-corporate stance had success in recent decades. I don't like it - but I think the reduction in corporate taxes, the bailouts, the toothless regulation, and the lack of significant antitrust action or campaign finance reform all amount to clear success.

  You think not bowing to anything that is LGBTQ flavored and being removed from professional life... that is success?  I guess I have read you wrong. Or are you talking about Tolerance being a good thing...because if you feel making people go through the ringer for having disagreeable views about LGBTQ positions is ok, it seems a large split from how you present yourself.
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« Reply #67 on: June 30, 2021, 04:46:30 PM »
Well, yeah, I'd call it success. You might consider that success a bad thing, but it's still happened.

Likewise, the U.S. pro-corporate stance had success in recent decades. I don't like it - but I think the reduction in corporate taxes, the bailouts, the toothless regulation, and the lack of significant antitrust action or campaign finance reform all amount to clear success.

  You think not bowing to anything that is LGBTQ flavored and being removed from professional life... that is success?  I guess I have read you wrong. Or are you talking about Tolerance being a good thing...because if you feel making people go through the ringer for having disagreeable views about LGBTQ positions is ok, it seems a large split from how you present yourself.

You're conflating two things here:

(1) Just because I call something a "success", that doesn't mean I approve of it. I can say that the KKK enjoyed great success in the 1920s, and that doesn't mean I am endorsing the KKK or tolerate them. I am describing that objectively they greatly increased their membership and influence during that period.

(2) As far as people getting put through the wringer... I am opposed to the overall culture of gossip has often held true in our society, and which has accelerated with social media. I want greater privacy, and allowance for people to separate their personal and professional lives. People should still be able to live a basic life regardless of their views - out to extremes including being a neonazi or radical Islamist. However, a fundamental issue here is that some people's professional careers depend on their popularity - like PR reps, salesmen, and celebrities. If they publicly express unpopular views, that inherently means they will have difficulty in those careers. That has always been true, and there's no way around it.

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« Reply #68 on: June 30, 2021, 05:42:20 PM »
Well, yeah, I'd call it success. You might consider that success a bad thing, but it's still happened.

Likewise, the U.S. pro-corporate stance had success in recent decades. I don't like it - but I think the reduction in corporate taxes, the bailouts, the toothless regulation, and the lack of significant antitrust action or campaign finance reform all amount to clear success.

  You think not bowing to anything that is LGBTQ flavored and being removed from professional life... that is success?  I guess I have read you wrong. Or are you talking about Tolerance being a good thing...because if you feel making people go through the ringer for having disagreeable views about LGBTQ positions is ok, it seems a large split from how you present yourself.

You're conflating two things here:

(1) Just because I call something a "success", that doesn't mean I approve of it. I can say that the KKK enjoyed great success in the 1920s, and that doesn't mean I am endorsing the KKK or tolerate them. I am describing that objectively they greatly increased their membership and influence during that period.

(2) As far as people getting put through the wringer... I am opposed to the overall culture of gossip has often held true in our society, and which has accelerated with social media. I want greater privacy, and allowance for people to separate their personal and professional lives. People should still be able to live a basic life regardless of their views - out to extremes including being a neonazi or radical Islamist. However, a fundamental issue here is that some people's professional careers depend on their popularity - like PR reps, salesmen, and celebrities. If they publicly express unpopular views, that inherently means they will have difficulty in those careers. That has always been true, and there's no way around it.

     Ah, so the LGBTQ gang is successful in the same sense the KKK was.  Now that I agree with.

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« Reply #69 on: July 12, 2021, 11:07:08 PM »
The SJWs are ultimately a distraction because the people with the real wealth and power are using them as useful idiots to get things they want. Which is basically cementing control over every human being & the entire planet through currency & technocratic systems.

I think it’s more of a case of misery loving company. I mean, have you taken a good look  at these people. They share three common traits: Unhinged, self destructive, miserable.
What they need is a full time psychiatrist in order to readapt into becoming contributing members of society. It’s easier to ignore them, when they don’t get the reaction they crave they’ll simply crawl back under their rocks.

As someone who has been called an SJW multiple times on these forums, I always find an attempt to dismiss people you don't like as automatically miserable or losers inexplicable.  I am not unhinged - I have opinions that are unpopular here, but they're not without reason, and the sources I rely on are generally better quality than the ones used by those who disagree with me.  I am not self-destructive - I have accepted a new position with my company for more money, which is part of my plan for the future.  I am not miserable - I am happily married with a good job, a loving family, and we're all healthy and well. 

Some people believe that (shocker) other people should be treated well.  They also believe (shocker) that some people DON'T treat other people well.  SOMETIMES, these people that don't treat others well do so because of things outside of their ability to control, like who their parents were, what country they were born in, or which gender they're sexually attracted to.  Pointing that out apparently automatically makes you an SJW - it does not follow that you can't also be standing up for what you believe from a position of strength. 

Real men stand up for the ones they care about, ESPECIALLY for the ones that can't defend themselves. 
When I say objectively, I mean 'subjectively'.  When I say literally, I mean 'figuratively'.  
And when I say that you are a horse's ass, I mean that the objective truth is that you are a literal horse's ass.

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« Reply #70 on: July 12, 2021, 11:20:56 PM »

Some people believe that (shocker) other people should be treated well.  They also believe (shocker) that some people DON'T treat other people well.  SOMETIMES, these people that don't treat others well do so because of things outside of their ability to control, like who their parents were, what country they were born in, or which gender they're sexually attracted to.  Pointing that out apparently automatically makes you an SJW - it does not follow that you can't also be standing up for what you believe from a position of strength. 
Pointing it out when other people are treated unfairly makes you human, not a SJW.

Claiming that the majority who don't believe in your fringe ideology are fine with people being treated unfairly, and thus by implication are less than human, is what makes you a SJW.

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« Reply #71 on: July 13, 2021, 12:03:57 AM »
Some people believe that (shocker) other people should be treated well.  They also believe (shocker) that some people DON'T treat other people well.  SOMETIMES, these people that don't treat others well do so because of things outside of their ability to control, like who their parents were, what country they were born in, or which gender they're sexually attracted to.  Pointing that out apparently automatically makes you an SJW - it does not follow that you can't also be standing up for what you believe from a position of strength. 

Real men stand up for the ones they care about, ESPECIALLY for the ones that can't defend themselves.

Is this one of those motte-and-bailey arguments where the end result is having to support BLM because communists are not able to defend themselves?
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« Reply #72 on: July 13, 2021, 12:06:27 AM »

Some people believe that (shocker) other people should be treated well.  They also believe (shocker) that some people DON'T treat other people well.  SOMETIMES, these people that don't treat others well do so because of things outside of their ability to control, like who their parents were, what country they were born in, or which gender they're sexually attracted to.  Pointing that out apparently automatically makes you an SJW - it does not follow that you can't also be standing up for what you believe from a position of strength. 
Pointing it out when other people are treated unfairly makes you human, not a SJW.

Claiming that the majority who don't believe in your fringe ideology are fine with people being treated unfairly, and thus by implication are less than human, is what makes you a SJW.

Hmmm, sounds convincing enough to fool those who don’t know any better. Who doesn’t love the knight in shining armor story? Too bad reality is bit different. Tbh all this SJW, woke nonsense got old real quick. I simply don’t care about their cause, excuses, ideology. Their predatory cancelation practices show what kind of people they really are. I focus my time in creating, not destroying.
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« Reply #73 on: July 13, 2021, 04:04:16 PM »
Real men stand up for the ones they care about, ESPECIALLY for the ones that can't defend themselves.
I was with you until this, which sounds like a dog whistle for white knight SJW-ism.





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« Reply #74 on: July 13, 2021, 04:07:19 PM »
Real men stand up for the ones they care about, ESPECIALLY for the ones that can't defend themselves.
I was with you until this, which sounds like a dog whistle for white knight SJW-ism.

   It sounds a whole lot like someone who has never put themselves physically into harm's way to me.