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Re: Preferred Exercises or Fitness Activities the Forum engages in
« Reply #30 on: August 17, 2022, 10:33:01 PM »
So, how does anyone who isn't a layabout manage to find time to dedicate to exercising?

My routine today:

0600: awake
0600 - 0630: SSS
0630: taking dog for morning constitutional
0645 - 0700: check work email while making coffee
0705 - 0715: drive to kennel to drop dog off for training
0720 - 0800: drive to office
0805 - 1305: work
1310 - 1400: lunch on drive home
1400 - 1700: work from home (actual work, not slacking)
1700 - 1730: drive to kennel to pick up dog and drive home
1745 - 1800: drive son to school for football- related meeting and return home
1800 - 1815: dinner (wife made butter chicken) and talk with wife and daughter
1815 - 1830: talk to wife
1830 - 1900: work teleconference with team in Australia
1930 - 2030: work teleconference with customers in Australia
2030 - 2130: poop, check personal email, surf internet, talk to wife
2130 - 2200: pick up son and friend from gym and come home
2215 - 0600: sleep

  Easy, my dog is already trained, and I get up at 4:30. 

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Re: Preferred Exercises or Fitness Activities the Forum engages in
« Reply #31 on: August 17, 2022, 10:43:49 PM »
I'm fundamentally a lazy man and I don't like exercising unless it augments something. So I work out for short periods 20 mins a day (generally) but at high intensity. A lot of heavy bag work.

Also, it is all is task specific to martial arts. That would include the way I'd do weight training as well.

  All basic weight training with a barbell (the meathead basics, bench, squat, deadlift, press and others) are task specific to martial arts.

Yeah(ish) but there are better ways of training weights for whatever you 'style' you do. Those basic weights are excellent for all around everything.

   I would love to hear the better ways of training weights for a given style.  Sports specific weight training exercises are my favorite thing.


Just check out what the good clubs are doing. It all depends on what the user's end goal is, fitness, mass, speed, and endurance. For me, it's self-defense so I train accordingly and weights are only one part but even then they only augment my skills in specific areas that I want to be better in.

All weight training is great. But you can focus that training for more efficient results depending on your desired results.

This guy:
http://rosstraining.com/blog/



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Re: Preferred Exercises or Fitness Activities the Forum engages in
« Reply #32 on: August 17, 2022, 10:51:01 PM »
I'm fundamentally a lazy man and I don't like exercising unless it augments something. So I work out for short periods 20 mins a day (generally) but at high intensity. A lot of heavy bag work.

Also, it is all is task specific to martial arts. That would include the way I'd do weight training as well.

  All basic weight training with a barbell (the meathead basics, bench, squat, deadlift, press and others) are task specific to martial arts.

Yeah(ish) but there are better ways of training weights for whatever you 'style' you do. Those basic weights are excellent for all around everything.

   I would love to hear the better ways of training weights for a given style.  Sports specific weight training exercises are my favorite thing.


Just check out what the good clubs are doing. It all depends on what the user's end goal is, fitness, mass, speed, and endurance. For me, it's self-defense so I train accordingly and weights are only one part but even then they only augment my skills in specific areas that I want to be better in.

All weight training is great. But you can focus that training for more efficient results depending on your desired results.

This guy:
http://rosstraining.com/blog/

 What sort of weight training do you do to augment self defense?  I have mentioned this before, but I am an expert martial artist (not my choice of words, but that is what I am after 30 years of kickboxing, boxing, and BJJ) and I am curious.  I have seen ALOT of different things in places where I trained and practiced in all those places (of course the wrestling rooms focus on different things than a boxing gym) many interesting, many useful, and some outright bullshit. 

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Re: Preferred Exercises or Fitness Activities the Forum engages in
« Reply #33 on: August 17, 2022, 11:03:07 PM »
This guy:
http://rosstraining.com/blog/

but I am an expert martial artist
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I've been training over 30 years myself.

Did you not check that link out? That's the stuff right there... If you want to understand how to train smart he's what I would consider a true expert.

For the stuff, I'm interested in it closely mirrors any type of good boxing workout where you spend most of the time hitting heavy things.

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Re: Preferred Exercises or Fitness Activities the Forum engages in
« Reply #34 on: August 17, 2022, 11:08:50 PM »
This guy:
http://rosstraining.com/blog/

but I am an expert martial artist

I've been training over 30 years myself.

Did you not check that link out? That's the stuff right there... If you want to understand how to train smart he's what I would consider a true expert.

For the stuff, I'm interested in it closely mirrors any type of good boxing workout where you spend most of the time hitting heavy things.
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  I did, it looked like a lot of the things I have seen over the years, as well as implemented in the training academies I owned and operated.  My question was more specific, I was curious as to what weight training exercises you used for self defense focus (not exercises in general) as that piqued my curiosity. 

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Re: Preferred Exercises or Fitness Activities the Forum engages in
« Reply #35 on: August 18, 2022, 07:01:01 AM »
So, how does anyone who isn't a layabout manage to find time to dedicate to exercising?

My routine today:

0600: awake
0600 - 0630: SSS
0630: taking dog for morning constitutional
0645 - 0700: check work email while making coffee
0705 - 0715: drive to kennel to drop dog off for training
0720 - 0800: drive to office
0805 - 1305: work
1310 - 1400: lunch on drive home
1400 - 1700: work from home (actual work, not slacking)
1700 - 1730: drive to kennel to pick up dog and drive home
1745 - 1800: drive son to school for football- related meeting and return home
1800 - 1815: dinner (wife made butter chicken) and talk with wife and daughter
1815 - 1830: talk to wife
1830 - 1900: work teleconference with team in Australia
1930 - 2030: work teleconference with customers in Australia
2030 - 2130: poop, check personal email, surf internet, talk to wife
2130 - 2200: pick up son and friend from gym and come home
2215 - 0600: sleep

  Easy, my dog is already trained, and I get up at 4:30.

I see you're being a helper...  Getting up at 0430 means I have to go to bed around 2030 - not possible given all the other things going on for me.

Today is similar except I'm in the office all day. Friday is a full work from home day where I can get in a decent walk.
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Re: Preferred Exercises or Fitness Activities the Forum engages in
« Reply #36 on: August 18, 2022, 07:11:10 AM »
So, how does anyone who isn't a layabout manage to find time to dedicate to exercising?

My routine today:

0600: awake
0600 - 0630: SSS
0630: taking dog for morning constitutional
0645 - 0700: check work email while making coffee
0705 - 0715: drive to kennel to drop dog off for training
0720 - 0800: drive to office
0805 - 1305: work
1310 - 1400: lunch on drive home
1400 - 1700: work from home (actual work, not slacking)
1700 - 1730: drive to kennel to pick up dog and drive home
1745 - 1800: drive son to school for football- related meeting and return home
1800 - 1815: dinner (wife made butter chicken) and talk with wife and daughter
1815 - 1830: talk to wife
1830 - 1900: work teleconference with team in Australia
1930 - 2030: work teleconference with customers in Australia
2030 - 2130: poop, check personal email, surf internet, talk to wife
2130 - 2200: pick up son and friend from gym and come home
2215 - 0600: sleep

  Easy, my dog is already trained, and I get up at 4:30.

I see you're being a helper...  Getting up at 0430 jeans is have to go to bed around 2030 - not possible given all the other things going on for me.

Today is similar except I'm in the office all day. Friday is a full work from home day where I can get in a decent walk.

We - I - don't have two hours in the evening working with an international team during their business hours. And I know you can't change that.

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Re: Preferred Exercises or Fitness Activities the Forum engages in
« Reply #37 on: August 18, 2022, 07:13:40 AM »
So, how does anyone who isn't a layabout manage to find time to dedicate to exercising?

My routine today:

0600: awake
0600 - 0630: SSS
0630: taking dog for morning constitutional
0645 - 0700: check work email while making coffee
0705 - 0715: drive to kennel to drop dog off for training
0720 - 0800: drive to office
0805 - 1305: work
1310 - 1400: lunch on drive home
1400 - 1700: work from home (actual work, not slacking)
1700 - 1730: drive to kennel to pick up dog and drive home
1745 - 1800: drive son to school for football- related meeting and return home
1800 - 1815: dinner (wife made butter chicken) and talk with wife and daughter
1815 - 1830: talk to wife
1830 - 1900: work teleconference with team in Australia
1930 - 2030: work teleconference with customers in Australia
2030 - 2130: poop, check personal email, surf internet, talk to wife
2130 - 2200: pick up son and friend from gym and come home
2215 - 0600: sleep

  Easy, my dog is already trained, and I get up at 4:30.

I see you're being a helper...  Getting up at 0430 jeans is have to go to bed around 2030 - not possible given all the other things going on for me.

Today is similar except I'm in the office all day. Friday is a full work from home day where I can get in a decent walk.

  I go to sleep between 2130 and 2215.  So I am in essence being a helper.   I find best to have 7 hours of sleep, but as long as I can snag 8 on days off once a week or so, I can function well on 6.5.   It takes about 20-30 minutes to get enough exercise to be both beneficial and productive.  If you have that schedule all 7 days every week...well then it won't be so helpful.  If you get a day or two off every week, again a day or two of exercise (even if we extend to an hour) is extremely beneficial.   I do think a lot of busy people with stretched schedules feel if they can not have a consistent thing through the week maybe do not look to alternatives (I have been guilty of doing so for a few years) to make time to geterdone.  I simply suggest a slight wiggle in schedule during the week or days off and see how it goes.  If you get no days off...well I tip the hat. 

   Plus, you did ask the question, I just gave an answer. 
   Edited to add:  My suggestions are also largely tongue in cheek.  You have a hell of schedule and if keeping it keeps you fit and happy, stick with it.  If you did want to wiggle it, I think you could do so if you wanted to.   Most of my adult working life has revolved around training and fitness to a degree as part of a career, so part of my job was exercise and I have a definite bias when it comes to seeing time to squeeze it in, which is not always realistic to other people and I prefer to try to offer a simple solution instead of extreme solutions (I realize getting up at 4:30 is not a practical suggestion, and I was semi joking...but it is what I do) if people are looking to fit it in.  If they are not, I think that is fair too.  If you are healthy and happy and the family is happy that is IMO the most important thing for any man to maintain.
« Last Edit: August 18, 2022, 07:35:13 AM by oggsmash »

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Re: Preferred Exercises or Fitness Activities the Forum engages in
« Reply #38 on: August 18, 2022, 07:56:46 AM »
as that piqued my curiosity.

Nothing really groundbreaking per se. In fact, it tends to be very low-fi.

If you've looked at Ross's program in depth you'd see that it's not going to be implemented in a well-kitted-out gym because a lot of the equipment is super low-tech or even modified by himself.

What I'm trying to say is to work smarter and focus it on your specific goal. I mean if my goal is self-defense I will spend most of my time punching and perhaps stand-up grappling. I won't waste a lot of my time learning stuff I wouldn't use like high kicks or any of that traditional kratty' shit.

And when I used to coach people I would make the syllabus laser-focused. And only really start exploring 'the rest' that's useful only when the basics are well understood.





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« Reply #39 on: August 18, 2022, 09:12:04 AM »
as that piqued my curiosity.

Nothing really groundbreaking per se. In fact, it tends to be very low-fi.

If you've looked at Ross's program in depth you'd see that it's not going to be implemented in a well-kitted-out gym because a lot of the equipment is super low-tech or even modified by himself.

What I'm trying to say is to work smarter and focus it on your specific goal. I mean if my goal is self-defense I will spend most of my time punching and perhaps stand-up grappling. I won't waste a lot of my time learning stuff I wouldn't use like high kicks or any of that traditional kratty' shit.

And when I used to coach people I would make the syllabus laser-focused. And only really start exploring 'the rest' that's useful only when the basics are well understood.

  So no specialized weight training for self defense?   That was my specific question since you suggested some specific application of use.  I get what you seem to have meant was you focus your fitness endeavors around something with a practical application (bag work being both good for the heart, muscular endurance and at the same time sharpening practical skills).  I did the same for years with both my striking and grappling.  I would suggest you ever move stateside, spend more time learning to grapple on the ground, simply from statistics offering there will be a lot more people who are able to put you there (thanks to a proliferation of football (murican) and wrestling programs).   Honestly I do not grapple or stay sharp standing for self defense.  This is the USA and I have a far more reliable form of self defense if I am actually in a self defense situation.  I think I still do all the kickboxing and grappling because I like it a lot and it is good exercise, and in my experience an exercise a person likes a lot tends to be the best exercise for them (because they will make the time to do it). 

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« Reply #40 on: August 18, 2022, 09:36:43 AM »
as that piqued my curiosity.

Nothing really groundbreaking per se. In fact, it tends to be very low-fi.

If you've looked at Ross's program in depth you'd see that it's not going to be implemented in a well-kitted-out gym because a lot of the equipment is super low-tech or even modified by himself.

What I'm trying to say is to work smarter and focus it on your specific goal. I mean if my goal is self-defense I will spend most of my time punching and perhaps stand-up grappling. I won't waste a lot of my time learning stuff I wouldn't use like high kicks or any of that traditional kratty' shit.

And when I used to coach people I would make the syllabus laser-focused. And only really start exploring 'the rest' that's useful only when the basics are well understood.

  So no specialized weight training for self defense?   That was my specific question since you suggested some specific application of use.  I get what you seem to have meant was you focus your fitness endeavors around something with a practical application (bag work being both good for the heart, muscular endurance and at the same time sharpening practical skills).  I did the same for years with both my striking and grappling.  I would suggest you ever move stateside, spend more time learning to grapple on the ground, simply from statistics offering there will be a lot more people who are able to put you there (thanks to a proliferation of football (murican) and wrestling programs).   Honestly I do not grapple or stay sharp standing for self defense.  This is the USA and I have a far more reliable form of self defense if I am actually in a self defense situation.  I think I still do all the kickboxing and grappling because I like it a lot and it is good exercise, and in my experience an exercise a person likes a lot tends to be the best exercise for them (because they will make the time to do it).


I don't know if you'd call them (the exercises) specific for self-defense. But they would be specific for improving one's specific skills. I mean, you could do a trad bench press with a barbell (a great exercise). But why do that when I want to improve my punching specifically? Yes, it would have benefits but if I was to use a heavy kettlebell and then punch at speed (even tho' it will appear slow in real time) while also turning my torso and shoulder and even my hip into it. I'm now specifically working speed, form, strength, and all the muscles I'd need to throw a right cross. Where a bench press wouldn't cover all that.

Yeah, the stats seem to indicate that a fight will often go to the ground (even in Europe). But that's mostly because a lot of people just can't punch hard enough. But we'd still certainly train for it as it's a very real possibility but just not like a dedicated art like BJJ which has great benefits (including for self-defense) but it is mostly designed for the ring. You could just learn a small portion of it, if you didn't really want to compete.

I'm a self-protection enthusiast. So I love this stuff as well as teaching it. So that's why I love to train for it. If you're not really into Mar Arts and you only do it for self-def most people will drop out. You've really got to love it to be any good at it. But most people are only ever interested in a 'quick fix' but in truth that doesn't really exist. There are a lot of cooks and grifters out there, unfortunately.







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« Reply #41 on: August 18, 2022, 11:23:27 AM »
as that piqued my curiosity.

Nothing really groundbreaking per se. In fact, it tends to be very low-fi.

If you've looked at Ross's program in depth you'd see that it's not going to be implemented in a well-kitted-out gym because a lot of the equipment is super low-tech or even modified by himself.

What I'm trying to say is to work smarter and focus it on your specific goal. I mean if my goal is self-defense I will spend most of my time punching and perhaps stand-up grappling. I won't waste a lot of my time learning stuff I wouldn't use like high kicks or any of that traditional kratty' shit.

And when I used to coach people I would make the syllabus laser-focused. And only really start exploring 'the rest' that's useful only when the basics are well understood.

  So no specialized weight training for self defense?   That was my specific question since you suggested some specific application of use.  I get what you seem to have meant was you focus your fitness endeavors around something with a practical application (bag work being both good for the heart, muscular endurance and at the same time sharpening practical skills).  I did the same for years with both my striking and grappling.  I would suggest you ever move stateside, spend more time learning to grapple on the ground, simply from statistics offering there will be a lot more people who are able to put you there (thanks to a proliferation of football (murican) and wrestling programs).   Honestly I do not grapple or stay sharp standing for self defense.  This is the USA and I have a far more reliable form of self defense if I am actually in a self defense situation.  I think I still do all the kickboxing and grappling because I like it a lot and it is good exercise, and in my experience an exercise a person likes a lot tends to be the best exercise for them (because they will make the time to do it).


I don't know if you'd call them (the exercises) specific for self-defense. But they would be specific for improving one's specific skills. I mean, you could do a trad bench press with a barbell (a great exercise). But why do that when I want to improve my punching specifically? Yes, it would have benefits but if I was to use a heavy kettlebell and then punch at speed (even tho' it will appear slow in real time) while also turning my torso and shoulder and even my hip into it. I'm now specifically working speed, form, strength, and all the muscles I'd need to throw a right cross. Where a bench press wouldn't cover all that.

Yeah, the stats seem to indicate that a fight will often go to the ground (even in Europe). But that's mostly because a lot of people just can't punch hard enough. But we'd still certainly train for it as it's a very real possibility but just not like a dedicated art like BJJ which has great benefits (including for self-defense) but it is mostly designed for the ring. You could just learn a small portion of it, if you didn't really want to compete.

I'm a self-protection enthusiast. So I love this stuff as well as teaching it. So that's why I love to train for it. If you're not really into Mar Arts and you only do it for self-def most people will drop out. You've really got to love it to be any good at it. But most people are only ever interested in a 'quick fix' but in truth that doesn't really exist. There are a lot of cooks and grifters out there, unfortunately.

  BJJ is not, and was not designed for the ring.  As seen at large today that is in fact true(the fact way too many people spend way too much time focused on using BJJ for BJJ competition and forgetting the whole reason the Gracies made a name in the 60's).  Regarding BJJ competitions, one could argue BJJ in some cases is more and more geared just for BJJ competitions.  This was certainly not always the case and is a common misconception among casual observers (or honestly modern BJJ does certainly give this vibe off big time).  Punching hard is not why you end up on the ground against a D1 wrestler, and the USA is FULL of them (luckily most of em are finished street fighting).  Agreed that drunken slobs who have never hit anything but a bag of chips is the reason most encounters end in a tussle on the ground, but my concerns were more around dealing with a specific problem you will not be able to punch out of (200 pound D1 wrestler is not a problem you can punch your way out of, at least not early)  But religious matters aside, that was more the sort of question around punching I was asking.  I have done lots of things and IME the resistance is for strength development and performance of the skill is for refining that strength into power and execution (meaning no weights for me throwing punches, I view that the same as a pitcher or basketball player training with a heavy ball...a waste of time), but my view is certainly not the only view and definitely not the best for everyone.
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« Reply #42 on: August 18, 2022, 11:27:02 AM »
  I would also argue a Squat and deadlift do a shitload more for punching power than a bench press.

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I need to add more dog walking for both me and the doggies.
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« Reply #44 on: August 18, 2022, 01:10:53 PM »
  I would also argue a Squat and deadlift do a shitload more for punching power than a bench press.

Squats are awesome. I do those all the time amazing for one's lungs.

Why I like to train using a single kettlebell - is to not only get the benefits but it's great for teaching 'form' and mechanics for the actual punch.

I really like using heavy bands as well. But attached to the wall and you stand and punch with the resistance of the band. Great for speed and form too.

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