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Author Topic: Please post your selfies with proof of vaccination!  (Read 6285 times)

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Re: Please post your selfies with proof of vaccination!
« Reply #195 on: May 14, 2021, 03:53:28 PM »
At this point, those who haven’t taken the vaccine are probably not planning in taking it any time soon, if at all. I believe everyone is, and should be entitled to choose. What worries me is the future restrictions that can be put in place particularly related to travel and entertainment. That in one way or another would force you to take the vaccine in order to go back to normal.

My FLGS, bless them, put up a status update today requiring the non-vaccinated to wear masks, while the vaccinated do not have to. That's their perogative, but I don't plan to patronize them. I hadn't planned on any kind of "getting back to normal" until the end of the year, so it's no huge letdown.
Will they require vaccination eventually? Dunno. I don't want to take any of these vaccines until they have full FDA approval and the government lifts the restrictions of the PREP act regarding these vaccines.


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I think the aftermath is far more scary than the actual pandemic. Inflation already kicking in with very little signs of actual recovery at this particular moment. Almost certain there’s another multi trillion relief on the way which would do little for the country and worsen inflation, etc. I’m legit concerned for the future. Optimism alone won’t bring the economy back.

Yep. This isn't over. It's just beginning.

How would they enforce that?  Do they ask for your papers as you enter?  "yeah I caved and got it last week guys"

Gov. Inslee has laid the ground work for requiring proof of vaccination.

https://www.governor.wa.gov/news-media/inslee-announces-update-spectator-event-and-religious-organization-guidance
If photos of cards on electronic devices are sufficient proof of vaccination, then it will be fairly easy for the dishonest to fake it instead of take it.

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Re: Please post your selfies with proof of vaccination!
« Reply #196 on: May 14, 2021, 04:06:56 PM »
It doesn't stop at vaccine cards. They are going to set up a universal tracking system tied to your identity with all your health info on it, and later on will have all your financial info on it. Start saying things the government doesn't like? Guess you don't need to buy groceries anymore.

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Re: Please post your selfies with proof of vaccination!
« Reply #197 on: May 14, 2021, 04:57:30 PM »
It doesn't stop at vaccine cards. They are going to set up a universal tracking system tied to your identity with all your health info on it, and later on will have all your financial info on it. Start saying things the government doesn't like? Guess you don't need to buy groceries anymore.

I don't think the government is the primary problem. We already have a very effective universal tracking system from corporations. Between our smart phones and credit cards and social media, corporations already have an extremely effective tracking system for most people - and most people simply don't care. As soon as I buy something with my credit card, I start to see ads for that in various applications.

I think it's only because of HIPAA that this doesn't also happen with my health care.

I think there needs to be greater cross-partisan effort to enact more privacy restrictions - like some of the EU restrictions, or ideally going even further.

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Re: Please post your selfies with proof of vaccination!
« Reply #198 on: May 14, 2021, 05:06:14 PM »

As soon as I buy something with my credit card, I start to see ads for that in various applications.

I think it's only because of HIPAA that this doesn't also happen with my health care.

I think there needs to be greater cross-partisan effort to enact more privacy restrictions - like some of the EU restrictions, or ideally going even further.

I use private browser windows most of the time now. It helped a lot with most of the unwanted ads. Another thing that spooked me was the fact I was verbally complaining about back and knee pain from working on three games back to back. I began seeing ads about shoulder and back pain not even 48hrs after. We need better privacy protections indeed. After all I personally get to skip 99.9% of the ads. Even YouTube got ridiculous now too. 
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Re: Please post your selfies with proof of vaccination!
« Reply #199 on: May 14, 2021, 05:48:28 PM »
It doesn't stop at vaccine cards. They are going to set up a universal tracking system tied to your identity with all your health info on it, and later on will have all your financial info on it. Start saying things the government doesn't like? Guess you don't need to buy groceries anymore.

I don't think the government is the primary problem. We already have a very effective universal tracking system from corporations. Between our smart phones and credit cards and social media, corporations already have an extremely effective tracking system for most people - and most people simply don't care. As soon as I buy something with my credit card, I start to see ads for that in various applications.

I think it's only because of HIPAA that this doesn't also happen with my health care.

I think there needs to be greater cross-partisan effort to enact more privacy restrictions - like some of the EU restrictions, or ideally going even further.


I agree partially, although I don't think there is a significant difference between government and corporations at this point. High level corporate/NGO executives have a revolving door with governmental positions & vice-versa.
The government funds, protects and provides legal cover for illegal & destructive corporate behavior. Simultaneously, government is laundering actions that it's illegal for them to do directly to corporations. This is an incestuous and mutually beneficial relationship for a self-appointed elite class of sociopaths.

The problem with any legal attempts at fixing the problem is that the people in charge only nominally care about the law. They were happy to cheat the election, they are happily destroying freedom of speech, will happily destroy the right to bear arms, are already illegally using surveillance on the entire US population, illegally detaining & torturing people from Jan 6th rally, etc. The government is happily coordinating the vaccine passport business for their own benefit because even if they aren't directly instituting it, you know that IBM/Google/Microsoft/etc. will be directly handing over that data to "law enforcement" whenever the government wants to go after a person they don't like.

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Re: Please post your selfies with proof of vaccination!
« Reply #200 on: May 14, 2021, 07:00:23 PM »

If photos of cards on electronic devices are sufficient proof of vaccination, then it will be fairly easy for the dishonest to fake it instead of take it.
You know, I'm pretty sure I've never seen anyone say that forging papers to escape Nazi Germany was dishonest. It's funny how that word only gets applied when someone disapproves of something.

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Re: Please post your selfies with proof of vaccination!
« Reply #201 on: May 14, 2021, 07:09:17 PM »
It doesn't stop at vaccine cards. They are going to set up a universal tracking system tied to your identity with all your health info on it, and later on will have all your financial info on it. Start saying things the government doesn't like? Guess you don't need to buy groceries anymore.

I don't think the government is the primary problem. We already have a very effective universal tracking system from corporations. Between our smart phones and credit cards and social media, corporations already have an extremely effective tracking system for most people - and most people simply don't care. As soon as I buy something with my credit card, I start to see ads for that in various applications.

I think it's only because of HIPAA that this doesn't also happen with my health care.

I think there needs to be greater cross-partisan effort to enact more privacy restrictions - like some of the EU restrictions, or ideally going even further.
Are you familiar with how tracking works? It's far more intrusive than most people would ever imagine, but it's also centralized in certain companies (Google, Facebook, and Apple are probably the big three), and then there's a whole shadow market of lesser companies that try to mimic what the big companies know natively by collecting data from numerous smaller sources. It's very disturbing, but at least it's decentralized and partitioned a bit. And, at least until they started becoming organs of the government, they were checked by the government, and had to seriously worry about public perception because outrage could be used by politicians to drum up fear, which leads to new laws.

If government takes it over, there won't be any of those checks. We've seen how the NSA and the intelligence community blatantly lied to Congress in public hearings, the complete lack of transparency, and how little pressure there is to not overreach. Not to mention, the government isn't bound by the same laws, and has numerous other powers from broad wiretap subpoenas to law enforcement authority. Private corporations can be opaque, but the government has the power to investigate them. There is no such external agency with the same power over the government.

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Re: Please post your selfies with proof of vaccination!
« Reply #202 on: May 14, 2021, 07:19:47 PM »

If photos of cards on electronic devices are sufficient proof of vaccination, then it will be fairly easy for the dishonest to fake it instead of take it.
You know, I'm pretty sure I've never seen anyone say that forging papers to escape Nazi Germany was dishonest. It's funny how that word only gets applied when someone disapproves of something.
So what other documents do you feel it's OK to forge? Is it OK to forge birth certificates or other proof of citizenship? How about faking travel credentials? Maybe bogus professional credentials are OK too?

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Re: Please post your selfies with proof of vaccination!
« Reply #203 on: May 14, 2021, 09:18:39 PM »
We gotta cut government from corporations, end the lobbying, cut out useless regulations, and actually enforce good laws that keep these corporations in check.

1.) Without corporations bribing politicians the politicians have less incentive to serve the corporations.

2.) Cutting useless regulations means cutting down on expenses.  That means smaller and more able businesses are allowed to be made.  These businesses can kill the corporations simply by not being as cancerous (aka not suffering from HR departments, marketing departments, focus groups, and what else you can add).

3.) We have the laws and the ability to clean things up.  Section 230 for a example needs a simple edit and then we can enforce it.  We don't need new laws and regulations.  We just need to use the ones we already have.

Of course we need to replace all of congress, get a good president like Trump, and remove some spineless judges for pro constitutional judges with brass balls.  That is the hard bit.

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Re: Please post your selfies with proof of vaccination!
« Reply #204 on: May 14, 2021, 09:59:51 PM »

If photos of cards on electronic devices are sufficient proof of vaccination, then it will be fairly easy for the dishonest to fake it instead of take it.
You know, I'm pretty sure I've never seen anyone say that forging papers to escape Nazi Germany was dishonest. It's funny how that word only gets applied when someone disapproves of something.
So what other documents do you feel it's OK to forge? Is it OK to forge birth certificates or other proof of citizenship? How about faking travel credentials? Maybe bogus professional credentials are OK too?
When you sign up to a website, do you always read the terms & conditions before checking the box that says you read the terms & conditions?

And I don't see anyone in the news who says it's dishonest for immigrants to stay illegally in a country they entered illegally, which is a significantly higher level of moral turpitude than protecting your private health information.

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Re: Please post your selfies with proof of vaccination!
« Reply #205 on: May 14, 2021, 10:01:16 PM »
We gotta cut government from corporations, end the lobbying, cut out useless regulations, and actually enforce good laws that keep these corporations in check.

1.) Without corporations bribing politicians the politicians have less incentive to serve the corporations.

2.) Cutting useless regulations means cutting down on expenses.  That means smaller and more able businesses are allowed to be made.  These businesses can kill the corporations simply by not being as cancerous (aka not suffering from HR departments, marketing departments, focus groups, and what else you can add).

3.) We have the laws and the ability to clean things up.  Section 230 for a example needs a simple edit and then we can enforce it.  We don't need new laws and regulations.  We just need to use the ones we already have.

Of course we need to replace all of congress, get a good president like Trump, and remove some spineless judges for pro constitutional judges with brass balls.  That is the hard bit.
Before you can do any of that, you'd need to massively reduce the government's discretionary power, because that's the source of everything else.

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Re: Please post your selfies with proof of vaccination!
« Reply #206 on: May 14, 2021, 10:06:30 PM »

If photos of cards on electronic devices are sufficient proof of vaccination, then it will be fairly easy for the dishonest to fake it instead of take it.
You know, I'm pretty sure I've never seen anyone say that forging papers to escape Nazi Germany was dishonest. It's funny how that word only gets applied when someone disapproves of something.
So what other documents do you feel it's OK to forge? Is it OK to forge birth certificates or other proof of citizenship? How about faking travel credentials? Maybe bogus professional credentials are OK too?
When you sign up to a website, do you always read the terms & conditions before checking the box that says you read the terms & conditions?

And I don't see anyone in the news who says it's dishonest for immigrants to stay illegally in a country they entered illegally, which is a significantly higher level of moral turpitude than protecting your private health information.
There are some pieces of health information that are mandatory to report. Not all of it is guaranteed privacy, especially not when it involves certain communicable diseases and the vaccination against such.

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Re: Please post your selfies with proof of vaccination!
« Reply #207 on: May 14, 2021, 10:13:29 PM »

If photos of cards on electronic devices are sufficient proof of vaccination, then it will be fairly easy for the dishonest to fake it instead of take it.
You know, I'm pretty sure I've never seen anyone say that forging papers to escape Nazi Germany was dishonest. It's funny how that word only gets applied when someone disapproves of something.
So what other documents do you feel it's OK to forge? Is it OK to forge birth certificates or other proof of citizenship? How about faking travel credentials? Maybe bogus professional credentials are OK too?
When you sign up to a website, do you always read the terms & conditions before checking the box that says you read the terms & conditions?

And I don't see anyone in the news who says it's dishonest for immigrants to stay illegally in a country they entered illegally, which is a significantly higher level of moral turpitude than protecting your private health information.
There are some pieces of health information that are mandatory to report. Not all of it is guaranteed privacy, especially not when it involves certain communicable diseases and the vaccination against such.
We're not talking about people who are infected.

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Re: Please post your selfies with proof of vaccination!
« Reply #208 on: May 14, 2021, 11:29:50 PM »

If photos of cards on electronic devices are sufficient proof of vaccination, then it will be fairly easy for the dishonest to fake it instead of take it.
You know, I'm pretty sure I've never seen anyone say that forging papers to escape Nazi Germany was dishonest. It's funny how that word only gets applied when someone disapproves of something.
So what other documents do you feel it's OK to forge? Is it OK to forge birth certificates or other proof of citizenship? How about faking travel credentials? Maybe bogus professional credentials are OK too?
When you sign up to a website, do you always read the terms & conditions before checking the box that says you read the terms & conditions?

And I don't see anyone in the news who says it's dishonest for immigrants to stay illegally in a country they entered illegally, which is a significantly higher level of moral turpitude than protecting your private health information.
There are some pieces of health information that are mandatory to report. Not all of it is guaranteed privacy, especially not when it involves certain communicable diseases and the vaccination against such.
We're not talking about people who are infected.
Do all of the people we are talking about have the cards to prove that?

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Re: Please post your selfies with proof of vaccination!
« Reply #209 on: May 14, 2021, 11:33:14 PM »
Do all of the people we are talking about have the cards to prove that?

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