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Title: Penthouse Article: Up In Smoke: Our Obsession With Safety Has Left Us Vulnerable
Post by: Trond on September 22, 2020, 07:35:02 pm
https://archive.is/nalBK#selection-709.83-709.227
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While the right was talking about equality of opportunity and the dignity of work, the left had spent years building a dystopian hellscape of equality of poverty and the misery of deprivation. In the interest of ‘social justice’, self-proclaimed progressives crammed vulnerable minorities into brutalist housing projects, replaced genuine economic opportunity with a welfare cheque, blamed the ensuing disadvantage on ‘systemic racism’ and expected the victims of the whole perverse state of affairs to reward them at the ballot box. It was a strategy that worked for a while, until it didn’t
Title: Re: Penthouse Article: Up In Smoke: Our Obsession With Safety Has Left Us Vulnerable
Post by: Ratman_tf on September 22, 2020, 09:21:04 pm
Insert joke about "reading the articles" here.
Title: Re: Penthouse Article: Up In Smoke: Our Obsession With Safety Has Left Us Vulnerable
Post by: Ghostmaker on September 22, 2020, 09:23:42 pm
It deeply worries me that we're having to go to Penthouse for clear thinking on the problem.
Title: Re: Penthouse Article: Up In Smoke: Our Obsession With Safety Has Left Us Vulnerable
Post by: SHARK on September 22, 2020, 09:36:30 pm

Greetings!


Well, Trond, that article is spot on, my friend. Very tight and laser focused. I agree entirely. I find it so very sad that numerous well-educated and rational people, commentators, whether academics or laymen, often voice the same concerns and present the same analysis of the deep-rooted danger, and the intellectual and idealistic problems which got us to arrive where we are at, and yet, when such arguments and analysis are presented to more Liberal-minded people--such a presentation is met with deer-in-the-headlights looks, mushy, meaningless backpedaling and desperate blame-shifting--or hysterical "Reeing!" from enraged, brain-dead and shrieking Marxist zombies.


Some people occasionally talk about why we can't be rational, or why can't we reasonably discuss our differences and work on a workable solution? That seems increasingly impossible, because the Marxist-Left holds onto an nihilistic ideological view that permeates through every level of society that on every major social, economic, and political issue is deeply hostile, corrosive, and in opposition to the societal vision that everyone else has for the nation, the society, and the community. That being the case, there isn't any room or cause for "compromise". There isn't anything to meaningfully discuss.


That stark and harsh reality proceeds to narrow down our options.


Semper Fidelis,


SHARK
Title: Re: Penthouse Article: Up In Smoke: Our Obsession With Safety Has Left Us Vulnerable
Post by: Trond on September 22, 2020, 11:20:07 pm
Insert joke about "reading the articles" here.
I just wanted to see a nice pu.....blication.
Title: Re: Penthouse Article: Up In Smoke: Our Obsession With Safety Has Left Us Vulnerable
Post by: BoxCrayonTales on September 26, 2020, 12:29:07 pm

Greetings!


Well, Trond, that article is spot on, my friend. Very tight and laser focused. I agree entirely. I find it so very sad that numerous well-educated and rational people, commentators, whether academics or laymen, often voice the same concerns and present the same analysis of the deep-rooted danger, and the intellectual and idealistic problems which got us to arrive where we are at, and yet, when such arguments and analysis are presented to more Liberal-minded people--such a presentation is met with deer-in-the-headlights looks, mushy, meaningless backpedaling and desperate blame-shifting--or hysterical "Reeing!" from enraged, brain-dead and shrieking Marxist zombies.


Some people occasionally talk about why we can't be rational, or why can't we reasonably discuss our differences and work on a workable solution? That seems increasingly impossible, because the Marxist-Left holds onto an nihilistic ideological view that permeates through every level of society that on every major social, economic, and political issue is deeply hostile, corrosive, and in opposition to the societal vision that everyone else has for the nation, the society, and the community. That being the case, there isn't any room or cause for "compromise". There isn't anything to meaningfully discuss.


That stark and harsh reality proceeds to narrow down our options.


Semper Fidelis,


SHARK


I feel like all news is fake news now. It's impossible for me to determine who is telling the truth, or what is the right moral opinion to hold. Pretty much everybody will say something really stupid if you listen to them long enough, and that throws everything else they ever said into question.


Debra Soh said that some gynophilic transwomen are motivated by autogynophilia. Transphobe!


Vaush said that right-wingers should allow themselves to be lynched by left-wing mobs. Warmongering psychopath!


Then we have the whole Cuties bipartisan issue. If Cuties isn't exploitative because it has the moral message that "sexualizing girls is bad," then neither is L Shindo's Metamorphosis hentai because it has the moral message that "prostitution exploits and kills prostitutes." Having a moral message and being exploitative aren't mutually exclusive.


I wish an asteroid would hit the Earth and kill everyone. Humanity doesn't deserve to exist.
Title: Re: Penthouse Article: Up In Smoke: Our Obsession With Safety Has Left Us Vulnerable
Post by: jeff37923 on September 26, 2020, 12:49:29 pm



Debra Soh said.....
Who?


Quote from: BoxCrayonTales
Vaush said....


Who?

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales
Then we have the whole Cuties bipartisan issue. If Cuties isn't exploitative because it has the moral message that "sexualizing girls is bad," then neither is L Shindo's Metamorphosis hentai because it has the moral message that "prostitution exploits and kills prostitutes." Having a moral message and being exploitative aren't mutually exclusive.


You mean the one inspired by Franz Kafka's The Metamorphosis where the main character finds that they have turned into a giant bug for no apparent reason?
Title: Re: Penthouse Article: Up In Smoke: Our Obsession With Safety Has Left Us Vulnerable
Post by: BoxCrayonTales on September 26, 2020, 12:56:01 pm



Debra Soh said.....
Who?


Quote from: BoxCrayonTales
Vaush said....


Who?

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales
Then we have the whole Cuties bipartisan issue. If Cuties isn't exploitative because it has the moral message that "sexualizing girls is bad," then neither is L Shindo's Metamorphosis hentai because it has the moral message that "prostitution exploits and kills prostitutes." Having a moral message and being exploitative aren't mutually exclusive.


You mean the one inspired by Franz Kafka's The Metamorphosis where the main character finds that they have turned into a giant bug for no apparent reason?

Debra Soh is a sex researcher who the left considers transphobic because she has reservations about transitioning minors. https://twitter.com/DrDebraSoh

Vaush is your typical left-tuber. https://twitter.com/VaushV

Metamorphosis is a hentai manga about a high school girl who is pulled into the hellish world of prostitution. https://allthetropes.fandom.com/wiki/Metamorphosis_(manga)
Title: Re: Penthouse Article: Up In Smoke: Our Obsession With Safety Has Left Us Vulnerable
Post by: jeff37923 on September 26, 2020, 01:25:54 pm



Debra Soh said.....
Who?


Quote from: BoxCrayonTales
Vaush said....


Who?

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales
Then we have the whole Cuties bipartisan issue. If Cuties isn't exploitative because it has the moral message that "sexualizing girls is bad," then neither is L Shindo's Metamorphosis hentai because it has the moral message that "prostitution exploits and kills prostitutes." Having a moral message and being exploitative aren't mutually exclusive.


You mean the one inspired by Franz Kafka's The Metamorphosis where the main character finds that they have turned into a giant bug for no apparent reason?

Debra Soh is a sex researcher who the left considers transphobic because she has reservations about transitioning minors. https://twitter.com/DrDebraSoh (https://twitter.com/DrDebraSoh)

Vaush is your typical left-tuber. https://twitter.com/VaushV (https://twitter.com/VaushV)

Metamorphosis is a hentai manga about a high school girl who is pulled into the hellish world of prostitution. https://allthetropes.fandom.com/wiki/Metamorphosis_(manga (https://allthetropes.fandom.com/wiki/Metamorphosis_(manga))


So, two Twitter posters and a hentai manga?


Yeah, I'd want an asteroid strike too if that was what I based my reality on.


(Plus, just from reading the synopsis of the hentai manga, I sincerely doubt that you have actually read it or researched it because you have way oversimplified the plot to the point where it is unrecognizeable. The hentai Metamorphosis is about a shy young girl who so wants friends and attention, that she enters into a lifestyle of sex and fashion to get it. The prostitution comes from needing money to buy more fashion accessories and the drug addiction is the result of trying to be cool and edgy for attention - so she tries heroin. There is also some subtext about her father raping her as a child and her mother blaming her for it - saying that she seduced her father into it. She dies of a heroin overdose pregnant and alone in a filthy bathroom. The manga is pretty much a grab-bag of downer crap thinly veiled in significance by idiots comparing it to Kafka's work of the same name even though the stories are completely different.)
Title: Re: Penthouse Article: Up In Smoke: Our Obsession With Safety Has Left Us Vulnerable
Post by: Snowman0147 on September 26, 2020, 02:14:57 pm
Box whatever your doing please stop doing it.  Seriously your comparing a cartoon to real life exploitation of young little girls.  No one is harmed by a cartoon.  Seek professional help.


Though since you brought up Cuties.  Isn't it bullshit that they exploit little girls just so they can say exploiting little girls is bad?  Am I the only getting whiplash by this lack of logic and common sense?  What is the next Netflix movie?  Puppy murder to show how puppy murder is bad?
Title: Re: Penthouse Article: Up In Smoke: Our Obsession With Safety Has Left Us Vulnerable
Post by: Ratman_tf on September 26, 2020, 02:20:23 pm
Though since you brought up Cuties.  Isn't it bullshit that they exploit little girls just so they can say exploiting little girls is bad?  Am I the only getting whiplash by this lack of logic and common sense?  What is the next Netflix movie?  Puppy murder to show how puppy murder is bad?


Fuck. I'm going to regret this. Here I go.


No, everyone on social media has said this. The Babylon Bee did a mock article on killing puppies to show killing puppies is bad. It's a terrible argument because the film wasn't about trying to convince people that exploiting girls is bad. The film assumes the audience is already on board with that idea.


But everyone laser focuses on this because some people tried to use this argument about the message of the film and just muddied the whole discussion.
Title: Re: Penthouse Article: Up In Smoke: Our Obsession With Safety Has Left Us Vulnerable
Post by: Trond on September 26, 2020, 03:34:28 pm

So, two Twitter posters and a hentai manga?


Yeah, I'd want an asteroid strike too if that was what I based my reality on.


(Plus, just from reading the synopsis of the hentai manga, I sincerely doubt that you have actually read it or researched it because you have way oversimplified the plot to the point where it is unrecognizeable. The hentai Metamorphosis is about a shy young girl who so wants friends and attention, that she enters into a lifestyle of sex and fashion to get it. The prostitution comes from needing money to buy more fashion accessories and the drug addiction is the result of trying to be cool and edgy for attention - so she tries heroin. There is also some subtext about her father raping her as a child and her mother blaming her for it - saying that she seduced her father into it. She dies of a heroin overdose pregnant and alone in a filthy bathroom. The manga is pretty much a grab-bag of downer crap thinly veiled in significance by idiots comparing it to Kafka's work of the same name even though the stories are completely different.)
Box whatever your doing please stop doing it.  Seriously your comparing a cartoon to real life exploitation of young little girls.  No one is harmed by a cartoon.  Seek professional help.


Though since you brought up Cuties.  Isn't it bullshit that they exploit little girls just so they can say exploiting little girls is bad?  Am I the only getting whiplash by this lack of logic and common sense?  What is the next Netflix movie?  Puppy murder to show how puppy murder is bad?
So Jeff has no clue what's going on (Soh is one of the few writers on sex that has any sense, and no not just tweets), and both him and Snowman completely misinterpreted what Box was saying.  The point was that the hentai was considered offensive enough to be condemned by many, while Cuties, featuring real young girls, has been defended as high art. By the same people? Not sure. Yeah, I don't share his grimdark conclusion, but seriously it wasn't that difficult to understand.
Title: Re: Penthouse Article: Up In Smoke: Our Obsession With Safety Has Left Us Vulnerable
Post by: jeff37923 on September 26, 2020, 04:32:06 pm
So Jeff has no clue what's going on (Soh is one of the few writers on sex that has any sense, and no not just tweets), and both him and Snowman completely misinterpreted what Box was saying.  The point was that the hentai was considered offensive enough to be condemned by many, while Cuties, featuring real young girls, has been defended as high art. By the same people? Not sure. Yeah, I don't share his grimdark conclusion, but seriously it wasn't that difficult to understand.


I seem to recall you once arguing that California Redwoods generated more oxygen on Earth than algae, so I don't mind if you think I am clueless about someone who writes about sex.


The hentai is about destroying yourself in order to achieve your goals, which really is a theme that has been done before. Is it comparable to Cuties? Here, since neither the hentai or the Netflix show is in my realm of interest to read or watch, I'm going by the Roger Ebert article on it (https://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/cuties-movie-review-2020). I find it really hard to compare these two because in the hentai the main character understands what is going on with sexualizing herself to be popular while the characters in Cuties do not understand the sexualized nature of how they are dancing, they just know that it gets them attention. The self-conscious intent of the characters in these two pieces of media are what sets them apart. The Metamorphosis hentai has more in common with Pauline Reage's The Story of O than it does to Cuties.
Title: Re: Penthouse Article: Up In Smoke: Our Obsession With Safety Has Left Us Vulnerable
Post by: Trond on September 26, 2020, 05:12:20 pm

I seem to recall you once arguing that California Redwoods generated more oxygen on Earth than algae, so I don't mind if you think I am clueless about someone who writes about sex.

Oh man, that is not only misleading, but pretty damn childish. "More oxygen on Earth" no man we were arguing the usefulness of growing algae vs planting redwoods, and I argued that terrestrial plants bind carbon for longer (redwoods being the most efficient land plants in this regard). 

Title: Re: Penthouse Article: Up In Smoke: Our Obsession With Safety Has Left Us Vulnerable
Post by: jeff37923 on September 26, 2020, 05:26:01 pm

Oh man, that is not only misleading, but pretty damn childish. "More oxygen on Earth" no man we were arguing the usefulness of growing algae vs planting redwoods, and I argued that terrestrial plants bind carbon for longer (redwoods being the most efficient land plants in this regard).


And the higher volume of algae means that more carbon is bound by that than redwoods.


Really, it isn't that difficult to understand.....



Title: Re: Penthouse Article: Up In Smoke: Our Obsession With Safety Has Left Us Vulnerable
Post by: Trond on September 26, 2020, 05:35:40 pm

Oh man, that is not only misleading, but pretty damn childish. "More oxygen on Earth" no man we were arguing the usefulness of growing algae vs planting redwoods, and I argued that terrestrial plants bind carbon for longer (redwoods being the most efficient land plants in this regard).


And the higher volume of algae means that more carbon is bound by that than redwoods.


Really, it isn't that difficult to understand.....
"Higher volume of algae". I think you mean growth rate. Apparently it is difficult to understand for some :D

Either way, bringing that up in this thread is pretty ridiculous.

AND: The point with the hentai is not really what it is about, but how controversial it was. 
Title: Re: Penthouse Article: Up In Smoke: Our Obsession With Safety Has Left Us Vulnerable
Post by: jeff37923 on September 26, 2020, 07:13:41 pm

"Higher volume of algae". I think you mean growth rate. Apparently it is difficult to understand for some :D 


Does a higher growth rate not equal more volume? You are measuring the change in amount (volume) over time....



AND: The point with the hentai is not really what it is about, but how controversial it was.


Oh, for fuck's sake. It was a comparison of two pieces of media, so it helps to understand what those two things were about.
Title: Re: Penthouse Article: Up In Smoke: Our Obsession With Safety Has Left Us Vulnerable
Post by: Trond on September 26, 2020, 07:35:03 pm

"Higher volume of algae". I think you mean growth rate. Apparently it is difficult to understand for some :D 


Does a higher growth rate not equal more volume? You are measuring the change in amount (volume) over time....


No, it doesn't. Amount of carbon absorbed depends on growth of mass over time. And no, mass is not the same as volume. And no, even so, that's not the only thing that matters (because algae break down fast while wood does not). But why did you bring this up again just to show that you still don't get it? It just seems like a petty thing to do.
Title: Re: Penthouse Article: Up In Smoke: Our Obsession With Safety Has Left Us Vulnerable
Post by: jeff37923 on September 26, 2020, 08:06:08 pm

"Higher volume of algae". I think you mean growth rate. Apparently it is difficult to understand for some :D 


Does a higher growth rate not equal more volume? You are measuring the change in amount (volume) over time....


No, it doesn't. Amount of carbon absorbed depends on growth of mass over time. And no, mass is not the same as volume. And no, even so, that's not the only thing that matters (because algae break down fast while wood does not). But why did you bring this up again just to show that you still don't get it? It just seems like a petty thing to do.


Algae grows faster than Redwoods, so you have more of it even when it breaks down.


You are just mad because the pond scum is better performing than your phallic California Redwoods.
Title: Re: Penthouse Article: Up In Smoke: Our Obsession With Safety Has Left Us Vulnerable
Post by: Trond on September 26, 2020, 08:09:21 pm
“Phallic” redwoods  ;D


Oh boy, petty and obsessive it is then.
Title: Re: Penthouse Article: Up In Smoke: Our Obsession With Safety Has Left Us Vulnerable
Post by: Spinachcat on September 26, 2020, 09:28:39 pm
Penthouse + Algae + Redwoods + Hentai by page 2.

Yup, this is the GREATEST forum ever to exist.
Title: Re: Penthouse Article: Up In Smoke: Our Obsession With Safety Has Left Us Vulnerable
Post by: Snowman0147 on September 26, 2020, 09:34:46 pm
Penthouse + Algae + Redwoods + Hentai by page 2.

Yup, this is the GREATEST forum ever to exist.


All this Redwood talk is making me hard.

I see myself out with that pun.
Title: Re: Penthouse Article: Up In Smoke: Our Obsession With Safety Has Left Us Vulnerable
Post by: Trond on September 26, 2020, 09:37:36 pm
Penthouse + Algae + Redwoods + Hentai by page 2.

Yup, this is the GREATEST forum ever to exist.


All this Redwood talk is making me hard.

I see myself out with that pun.
Redwood should be the stage name of a Native American porn star.
Title: Re: Penthouse Article: Up In Smoke: Our Obsession With Safety Has Left Us Vulnerable
Post by: Snowman0147 on September 26, 2020, 09:43:55 pm
Redwood should be the stage name of a Native American porn star.


A manly Native American porn star at that.  I mean it literally demands it.
Title: Re: Penthouse Article: Up In Smoke: Our Obsession With Safety Has Left Us Vulnerable
Post by: BoxCrayonTales on September 26, 2020, 09:46:13 pm
Jeff, Snowman.


Did you actually understand what I said or did you get confused because I included too many clauses in one sentence?


I’ll repeat myself. This time I will use simple grammar.


Defenders of Cuties say that it is art because it has a moral message. Despite it exploiting children.


Metamorphosis has a moral message. It is blatantly exploitative. Nobody claims it has artistic merit. Especially not leftists.


Both are exploitative. Both have moral messages.


Why the fuck do leftists defend Cuties? Why the do leftists NOT defend Metamorphosis?


It doesn’t matter whether real children are involved or not. My argument is about artistic value. Both are horribly exploitative. Both try to shoehorn moral messages. Both should be condemned for exploitation, albeit for different reasons and in different amounts.


Do you understand my point? Or are you still stuck on “you cannot compare real child porn to drawn child porn in any way whatsoever”?


All of this is really tangential to my original point. My original point is that I hate all political parties because they’re equally stupid. I’ve watched many thousands of hours of news and read thousands of articles to come to that conclusion.
Title: Re: Penthouse Article: Up In Smoke: Our Obsession With Safety Has Left Us Vulnerable
Post by: Trond on September 26, 2020, 09:57:26 pm
Redwood should be the stage name of a Native American porn star.


A manly Native American porn star at that.  I mean it literally demands it.
Only problem with "Redwood" is that it's a softwood. I hear hardwood is more popular.  :P
Title: Re: Penthouse Article: Up In Smoke: Our Obsession With Safety Has Left Us Vulnerable
Post by: Snowman0147 on September 27, 2020, 12:31:33 am
Jeff, Snowman.


Did you actually understand what I said or did you get confused because I included too many clauses in one sentence?


I’ll repeat myself. This time I will use simple grammar.


Defenders of Cuties say that it is art because it has a moral message. Despite it exploiting children.


Metamorphosis has a moral message. It is blatantly exploitative. Nobody claims it has artistic merit. Especially not leftists.


Both are exploitative. Both have moral messages.


Why the fuck do leftists defend Cuties? Why the do leftists NOT defend Metamorphosis?


It doesn’t matter whether real children are involved or not. My argument is about artistic value. Both are horribly exploitative. Both try to shoehorn moral messages. Both should be condemned for exploitation, albeit for different reasons and in different amounts.


Do you understand my point? Or are you still stuck on “you cannot compare real child porn to drawn child porn in any way whatsoever”?


All of this is really tangential to my original point. My original point is that I hate all political parties because they’re equally stupid. I’ve watched many thousands of hours of news and read thousands of articles to come to that conclusion.


Your missing my point.  While I did highlight the hypocrisy that is going on with the left that wasn't the main point.


My main point for you is that you compared a cartoon where the possible worst thing that can happen to the vast majority of humanity is that they might get offended.  Seriously who is exploited?  A fake cartoon teenager?  She isn't even real.  Pure fantasy and your saying it is as bad as Cuties.  At least that is the impression your leaving with.


Those girls in Cuties are real breathing human beings with thoughts, dreams, and feelings of their own.  Their exploitation is very real, very destructive, and leads to long term suffering. 


The two cannot even be compared because they are no where near the same level.  Seriously cartoons are cartoons and real life is real life.  If you cannot understand this simple truth you need professional help.
Title: Re: Penthouse Article: Up In Smoke: Our Obsession With Safety Has Left Us Vulnerable
Post by: jeff37923 on September 27, 2020, 01:15:48 am
Jeff, Snowman.


Did you actually understand what I said or did you get confused because I included too many clauses in one sentence?


I’ll repeat myself. This time I will use simple grammar.


Defenders of Cuties say that it is art because it has a moral message. Despite it exploiting children.


Metamorphosis has a moral message. It is blatantly exploitative. Nobody claims it has artistic merit. Especially not leftists.


Both are exploitative. Both have moral messages.


Why the fuck do leftists defend Cuties? Why the do leftists NOT defend Metamorphosis?


It doesn’t matter whether real children are involved or not. My argument is about artistic value. Both are horribly exploitative. Both try to shoehorn moral messages. Both should be condemned for exploitation, albeit for different reasons and in different amounts.


Do you understand my point? Or are you still stuck on “you cannot compare real child porn to drawn child porn in any way whatsoever”?


All of this is really tangential to my original point. My original point is that I hate all political parties because they’re equally stupid. I’ve watched many thousands of hours of news and read thousands of articles to come to that conclusion.


And I will return the favor by using simple language for you since you aren't getting my point.


In Cuties, the exploitation is being blamed on Netflix and the Director because the characters are pretty unconscious of being exploited.


In hentai Metamorphosis, the exploitation was desired and pursued by the character being exploited.

Of course Leftists are going to say that hentai Metamorphosis is worse than Cuties because that piece of media shows the consequences of the main character's poor decisions and Leftists think that their personal actions never have bad consequences.

Title: Re: Penthouse Article: Up In Smoke: Our Obsession With Safety Has Left Us Vulnerable
Post by: jeff37923 on September 27, 2020, 01:20:48 am
Redwood should be the stage name of a Native American porn star.


A manly Native American porn star at that.  I mean it literally demands it.
Only problem with "Redwood" is that it's a softwood. I hear hardwood is more popular.  :P


You know, there has been research into using algae to combat erectile dysfunction.....


https://www.hindawi.com/journals/omcl/2020/3293065/ (https://www.hindawi.com/journals/omcl/2020/3293065/)


https://www.hindawi.com/journals/bmri/2014/121396/ (https://www.hindawi.com/journals/bmri/2014/121396/)


Algae, putting the woody back in your soft wood Redwood.....
Title: Re: Penthouse Article: Up In Smoke: Our Obsession With Safety Has Left Us Vulnerable
Post by: BoxCrayonTales on September 27, 2020, 04:52:46 pm
Jeff, Snowman.


Did you actually understand what I said or did you get confused because I included too many clauses in one sentence?


I’ll repeat myself. This time I will use simple grammar.


Defenders of Cuties say that it is art because it has a moral message. Despite it exploiting children.


Metamorphosis has a moral message. It is blatantly exploitative. Nobody claims it has artistic merit. Especially not leftists.


Both are exploitative. Both have moral messages.


Why the fuck do leftists defend Cuties? Why the do leftists NOT defend Metamorphosis?


It doesn’t matter whether real children are involved or not. My argument is about artistic value. Both are horribly exploitative. Both try to shoehorn moral messages. Both should be condemned for exploitation, albeit for different reasons and in different amounts.


Do you understand my point? Or are you still stuck on “you cannot compare real child porn to drawn child porn in any way whatsoever”?


All of this is really tangential to my original point. My original point is that I hate all political parties because they’re equally stupid. I’ve watched many thousands of hours of news and read thousands of articles to come to that conclusion.


Your missing my point.  While I did highlight the hypocrisy that is going on with the left that wasn't the main point.


My main point for you is that you compared a cartoon where the possible worst thing that can happen to the vast majority of humanity is that they might get offended.  Seriously who is exploited?  A fake cartoon teenager?  She isn't even real.  Pure fantasy and your saying it is as bad as Cuties.  At least that is the impression your leaving with.


Those girls in Cuties are real breathing human beings with thoughts, dreams, and feelings of their own.  Their exploitation is very real, very destructive, and leads to long term suffering. 


The two cannot even be compared because they are no where near the same level.  Seriously cartoons are cartoons and real life is real life.  If you cannot understand this simple truth you need professional help.


You got me wrong. I don’t contest that there is a big difference between real and fake children.


My point is this: Why is real child porn being hailed as progressive, but FAKE child porn is not?


Jeff, Snowman.


Did you actually understand what I said or did you get confused because I included too many clauses in one sentence?


I’ll repeat myself. This time I will use simple grammar.


Defenders of Cuties say that it is art because it has a moral message. Despite it exploiting children.


Metamorphosis has a moral message. It is blatantly exploitative. Nobody claims it has artistic merit. Especially not leftists.


Both are exploitative. Both have moral messages.


Why the fuck do leftists defend Cuties? Why the do leftists NOT defend Metamorphosis?


It doesn’t matter whether real children are involved or not. My argument is about artistic value. Both are horribly exploitative. Both try to shoehorn moral messages. Both should be condemned for exploitation, albeit for different reasons and in different amounts.


Do you understand my point? Or are you still stuck on “you cannot compare real child porn to drawn child porn in any way whatsoever”?


All of this is really tangential to my original point. My original point is that I hate all political parties because they’re equally stupid. I’ve watched many thousands of hours of news and read thousands of articles to come to that conclusion.


And I will return the favor by using simple language for you since you aren't getting my point.


In Cuties, the exploitation is being blamed on Netflix and the Director because the characters are pretty unconscious of being exploited.


In hentai Metamorphosis, the exploitation was desired and pursued by the character being exploited.

Of course Leftists are going to say that hentai Metamorphosis is worse than Cuties because that piece of media shows the consequences of the main character's poor decisions and Leftists think that their personal actions never have bad consequences.




I don’t contest that either.

WHY do leftists think real child porn is progressive, but FAKE child porn is not?
Title: Re: Penthouse Article: Up In Smoke: Our Obsession With Safety Has Left Us Vulnerable
Post by: Snowman0147 on September 27, 2020, 05:49:29 pm
Politics, forbidden fruit, and being detached from reality.  A lot of the global elite want the global economy even though it fucks over individual countries. 


Being so rich and powerful they have no real understanding of their fellow citizens who are not as wealthy as they are.  They cannot even begin to think of a life of a average family.  Those who came from poor backgrounds will do what they can to stay in the good graces of the wealthy.


Finally in a world where they can get any man, or woman they want it is the children that are forbidden.  Now these are people who take no for a answer and think they are above the standards of society.  They literally think they are above everything and everyone.
Title: Re: Penthouse Article: Up In Smoke: Our Obsession With Safety Has Left Us Vulnerable
Post by: Machaeus on October 02, 2020, 01:57:55 pm
So anyway, the article, despite clearly being written by a leftie from the first few paragraphs...is actually very even-keeled.  I'm not familiar with The Penthouse, but this one makes some very good points.

Perhaps this will help some people who manage to see this to realize, "OH HEY WE FUCKED UP"

EDIT: Wow I'm dumb, I got to the bottom of page 1 and didn't realize there were more posts.
Title: Re: Penthouse Article: Up In Smoke: Our Obsession With Safety Has Left Us Vulnerable
Post by: Trond on October 02, 2020, 11:38:00 pm
So anyway, the article, despite clearly being written by a leftie from the first few paragraphs...is actually very even-keeled.  I'm not familiar with The Penthouse, but this one makes some very good points.
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Well, it's never too late to try something new ;)

Jokes aside, they have been the "naughtier" competition for Playboy for decades. And it looks like now that Playboy has gone from being liberal to almost full-on SJW, Penthouse is trying to appeal a bit more to conservatives.
Title: Re: Penthouse Article: Up In Smoke: Our Obsession With Safety Has Left Us Vulnerable
Post by: shuddemell on October 09, 2020, 02:09:54 pm
In their defense, they have a vested interest in readers who still like women who look like women and have all female parts... just sayin.
Title: Re: Penthouse Article: Up In Smoke: Our Obsession With Safety Has Left Us Vulnerable
Post by: Trond on October 09, 2020, 10:30:45 pm
In their defense, they have a vested interest in readers who still like women who look like women and have all female parts... just sayin.

Soon enough someone will be protesting this “discrimination” no doubt
Title: Re: Penthouse Article: Up In Smoke: Our Obsession With Safety Has Left Us Vulnerable
Post by: RPGPundit on October 13, 2020, 07:18:14 pm
Playboy Magazine is an anachronism that doesn't need to exist anymore (not since the invention of the internet, just like all porn magazines), but seriously, is there a better example of the "Hold my Beer" of the "Get Woke Go Broke" theory than PLAYBOY deciding to become an anti-male anti-sex SJW magazine?
Title: Re: Penthouse Article: Up In Smoke: Our Obsession With Safety Has Left Us Vulnerable
Post by: Trond on October 13, 2020, 07:24:42 pm
Playboy Magazine is an anachronism that doesn't need to exist anymore (not since the invention of the internet, just like all porn magazines), but seriously, is there a better example of the "Hold my Beer" of the "Get Woke Go Broke" theory than PLAYBOY deciding to become an anti-male anti-sex SJW magazine?

How the times have have changed. I saw an online Playboy article praising feminist Gloria Steinem, last year I think. Back in the day she used to call Hefner her no.1 enemy. Now that Hef is gone Playboy has jumped on the woke train. It's bizarre to watch, because they still have photos sexy women, and they seem not to understand that feminists still hate them.
Title: Re: Penthouse Article: Up In Smoke: Our Obsession With Safety Has Left Us Vulnerable
Post by: Spinachcat on October 13, 2020, 11:19:20 pm
I feel like all news is fake news now. It's impossible for me to determine who is telling the truth, or what is the right moral opinion to hold.

I agree that its extremely hard to judge truth in any news unless you're watching raw, uncut video of an event. Second hand reporting is either biased, bizarrely false or just useless.

But discovering the right moral opinion for you to hold is much easier. That's just a matter of deep thinking or prayer or mediation or whatever puts you in a clear and honest mental space. Most people don't think too much about where they get their opinions or why they hold them.