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Author Topic: Oregon police can't do anything about riots unless right-wingers are present  (Read 717 times)

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Or at least that's the impression I get here. And the news seem to "support" that this is the general trend. The moment Proud Boys show up, the state can call it a riot and send in the police. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbEsCGDGjf4

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City police are not your friends.  You want officers that serve and protect than go to your small towns as those sheriffs are voted in.

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I am truly beyond caring about mass violence in blue cities, including LA. The business owners aren't storming city hall demanding an end to the lockdowns nor the riots which have damaged or destroyed numerous businesses. Instead, they're happy to submit to getting nothing for the high taxes they pay.

I do wonder if we'll see middle & upper class flight from the blue cities in meaningful numbers. AKA, enough move to make a significant effect upon the tax base. I suspect the numbers would have to be 5% of the population.
As for cops suddenly remembering to do their job when the Proud Boys show up, that's zero surprise. I can't feel bad for blue city cops when they are so willing to be puppets to the leftist mayors.

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I suspect the numbers would have to be 5% of the population.

Which is probably 20% of the net-pay population

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The problem with pensions is they're rooted in the false hope someone will take care of your fiscal self-discipline for you, and then your future is held in their hands.  Much harder to walk on your conscience.

While they don't fund the pension anyway, so the odds of getting that pension in full decrease as the pyramid scheme moves through time.
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I am truly beyond caring about mass violence in blue cities, including LA. The business owners aren't storming city hall demanding an end to the lockdowns nor the riots which have damaged or destroyed numerous businesses. Instead, they're happy to submit to getting nothing for the high taxes they pay.
Not always. A number of businesses are flat out leaving. They're pulling up stakes and they're not coming back.

That's going to pinch tax revenue, and it'll be fun to watch those selfsame city leaders (or their successors) beg the businesses to return.

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I am truly beyond caring about mass violence in blue cities, including LA. The business owners aren't storming city hall demanding an end to the lockdowns nor the riots which have damaged or destroyed numerous businesses. Instead, they're happy to submit to getting nothing for the high taxes they pay.
Not always. A number of businesses are flat out leaving. They're pulling up stakes and they're not coming back.

That's going to pinch tax revenue, and it'll be fun to watch those selfsame city leaders (or their successors) beg the businesses to return.

NYC is already seeing the effects of this - and yeah, they're begging.

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City police are not your friends.  You want officers that serve and protect than go to your small towns as those sheriffs are voted in.
Holy cats, I never made that connection, but it is so true.  I grew up in small towns and always had a positive view of police and deputies. 
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NYC is already seeing the effects of this - and yeah, they're begging.
Watching Cuomo beg while deBlasio continues to issue diktats is one of the funniest things I've seen.

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Holy cats, I never made that connection, but it is so true.  I grew up in small towns and always had a positive view of police and deputies.

Well ask this question.  Who elects the head of the police in those big cities?  Once that is answered that may illuminate you to why the police in big cities act as they do.

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Interesting little fact.  In New York city it is the mayor that appoints the police commissioner.  That should explain why the police don't end the riots right there.  The police work for the benefit of the mayor and his friends.

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If cops want to be the pawns of leftists and ignore their oath to their community and the Constitution, that's their choice, but I'm not going to be all "back the blue" when they won't have my back.

But conservatives will forgive anything. "They're just doing their job. They gotta choke on BLM's antics to put food on the table. They can't be expected to do their job without support of their chief." Blah, blah, blah.

Sorry, Nuremberg defense is still a NOPE.

I'm not anti-cop by any stretch, but if I've got to sleep in the bed I've made, so do they.

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Valid point Spinachcat and I have no arguments against that.

That said I believe the city police commissioner should be a elected by the people instead of being a appointee of the mayor.

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If cops want to be the pawns of leftists and ignore their oath to their community and the Constitution, that's their choice, but I'm not going to be all "back the blue" when they won't have my back.

But conservatives will forgive anything. "They're just doing their job. They gotta choke on BLM's antics to put food on the table. They can't be expected to do their job without support of their chief." Blah, blah, blah.

Sorry, Nuremberg defense is still a NOPE.

I'm not anti-cop by any stretch, but if I've got to sleep in the bed I've made, so do they.

The police are a 'necessary' evil in a society...it is in their best interest NOT to become 'unnecessary' by refusing to do their job.
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That said I believe the city police commissioner should be a elected by the people instead of being a appointee of the mayor.
Why would that be useful? The mayor is already elected by the people, and accountable to their wishes. Having the commissioner separately elected just means the mayor loses control over the hiring and firing of one of their key employees. Which not only is terrible from a management standpoint, but makes it easy to use the police department as a scapegoat. It wouldn't solve any of the current problems either, because the cities where the mayor and city council are talking about defunding the police and giving BLM a free pass are just reflecting the wishes of their people. The people looking on in horror are outsiders, or a minority.