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...Now Apparently Dungeons and Dragons is loaded with Anti-semitic Secret Codes

Started by GameDaddy, February 02, 2021, 10:37:48 PM

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Ratman_tf

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February 05, 2021, 03:20:23 PM Last Edit: February 05, 2021, 03:23:57 PM by Ratman_tf
Quote from: jhkim on February 05, 2021, 02:11:07 PM
It's an interesting question to me -- when did the stereotype of dwarves having a Scottish accent start? I'm guessing it predates the LotR movies, but I don't know what an earlier source would be.

I'm gonna guess Warcraft, especially World of Warcraft.

QuoteWhile it might be misleading to call it "anti-semitism", many people are justifiably annoyed even at supposedly positive stereotypes -- like saying "Jews are great with money" or "blacks are great at sports and great dancers" or "Asians are good at math and martial arts". One of the problems of terminology around this is that these sorts of stereotypes are often lumped into the same category as nazis or the KKK, but that doesn't mean one can't complain about them.

Anti-semitism isn't as common anymore. But it's part of the woke post-modern trend of redefining any kind of portrayal as "ist" or "phobe", and then redefine white supremacy as being an "ist" or "phobe".
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shuddemell

#16
February 05, 2021, 05:40:29 PM
Quote from: Ratman_tf on February 05, 2021, 03:20:23 PM
Quote from: jhkim on February 05, 2021, 02:11:07 PM
It's an interesting question to me -- when did the stereotype of dwarves having a Scottish accent start? I'm guessing it predates the LotR movies, but I don't know what an earlier source would be.

I'm gonna guess Warcraft, especially World of Warcraft.

QuoteWhile it might be misleading to call it "anti-semitism", many people are justifiably annoyed even at supposedly positive stereotypes -- like saying "Jews are great with money" or "blacks are great at sports and great dancers" or "Asians are good at math and martial arts". One of the problems of terminology around this is that these sorts of stereotypes are often lumped into the same category as nazis or the KKK, but that doesn't mean one can't complain about them.

Anti-semitism isn't as common anymore. But it's part of the woke post-modern trend of redefining any kind of portrayal as "ist" or "phobe", and then redefine white supremacy as being an "ist" or "phobe".

Didn't Gotrek from the Warhammer Series of Books have a Scottish accent? Warhammer might be a source...
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The Spaniard

#17
February 05, 2021, 05:46:38 PM
Nothing new here.  The Wizards deserve all the shit that can be heaped on them for not showing a backbone and telling mutts like this guy to fuck right off.  If you don't like game, don't spend money on it and play something else.  Problem solved.

Spinachcat

#18
February 05, 2021, 06:28:36 PM
Quote from: Trond on February 05, 2021, 01:22:46 AMSame way that Aunt Jemima and that Native American woman on the butter were also racist. They were there, so they had to be removed, because reasons, checkmate.

Spinachcat

#19
February 05, 2021, 06:38:13 PM
Warhammer is probably the "Dwarves as Scots" via the red hair and tankards of ale. Although, I wonder if there is earlier media.

This reddit thread says the 19953 Poul Anderson story "Three Hearts and Three Lions" included a dwarf character with a Scottish accent - can anyone confirm?
https://www.reddit.com/r/Fantasy/comments/1yn4xb/when_did_dwarves_become_scottish/


I never understood how Blizzard wasn't sued for WarCraft and StarCraft being such blatant GW ripoffs, and doubly weird considering GW was an equal size company at the time those video games came out.  Note that WarCraft 2 is from 1995 so the ripoff was happening long before WoW showed up.

shuddemell

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February 05, 2021, 07:40:21 PM Last Edit: February 05, 2021, 07:41:53 PM by shuddemell
Quote from: Spinachcat on February 05, 2021, 06:38:13 PM
Warhammer is probably the "Dwarves as Scots" via the red hair and tankards of ale. Although, I wonder if there is earlier media.

This reddit thread says the 19953 Poul Anderson story "Three Hearts and Three Lions" included a dwarf character with a Scottish accent - can anyone confirm?
https://www.reddit.com/r/Fantasy/comments/1yn4xb/when_did_dwarves_become_scottish/


I never understood how Blizzard wasn't sued for WarCraft and StarCraft being such blatant GW ripoffs, and doubly weird considering GW was an equal size company at the time those video games came out.  Note that WarCraft 2 is from 1995 so the ripoff was happening long before WoW showed up.

Yes, I can confirm. Been a long while since I read it but I do remember Hugi.
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Trond

#21
February 06, 2021, 12:20:50 AM
Quote from: jhkim on February 05, 2021, 02:11:07 PM
It's an interesting question to me -- when did the stereotype of dwarves having a Scottish accent start? I'm guessing it predates the LotR movies, but I don't know what an earlier source would be.

Quote from: Aglondir on February 05, 2021, 01:51:45 PM
"If I am to understand that you are enquiring whether I am of Jewish origin, I can only reply that I regret that I appear to have no ancestors of that gifted people." -Tolkien

Anti-Semitic? More like pro-Semitic.

While it might be misleading to call it "anti-semitism", many people are justifiably annoyed even at supposedly positive stereotypes -- like saying "Jews are great with money" or "blacks are great at sports and great dancers" or "Asians are good at math and martial arts". One of the problems of terminology around this is that these sorts of stereotypes are often lumped into the same category as nazis or the KKK, but that doesn't mean one can't complain about them.

Just curious. Does it matter if it is demonstrably true?

Aglondir

#22
February 06, 2021, 03:07:30 AM
Quote from: jhkim
While it might be misleading to call it "anti-semitism", many people are justifiably annoyed even at supposedly positive stereotypes -- like saying "Jews are great with money" or "blacks are great at sports and great dancers" or "Asians are good at math and martial arts". One of the problems of terminology around this is that these sorts of stereotypes are often lumped into the same category as nazis or the KKK, but that doesn't mean one can't complain about them.
I think we agree on this point.

Aglondir

#23
February 06, 2021, 03:11:54 AM
Quote from: Trond on February 06, 2021, 12:20:50 AM
Just curious. Does it matter if it is demonstrably true?

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BoxCrayonTales

#24
February 06, 2021, 05:05:24 PM
I wouldn't mind using more mythologically accurate names for everything, not just stuff lifted from Jewish folklore. E.g. soul jar, automaton, etc.

HappyDaze

#25
February 06, 2021, 10:30:35 PM
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on February 06, 2021, 05:05:24 PM
I wouldn't mind using more mythologically accurate names for everything, not just stuff lifted from Jewish folklore. E.g. soul jar, automaton, etc.
Accurate names in their original languages, or "close enough" English translations?

BoxCrayonTales

#26
February 07, 2021, 11:53:47 AM
Quote from: HappyDaze on February 06, 2021, 10:30:35 PM
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on February 06, 2021, 05:05:24 PM
I wouldn't mind using more mythologically accurate names for everything, not just stuff lifted from Jewish folklore. E.g. soul jar, automaton, etc.
Accurate names in their original languages, or "close enough" English translations?
The more the merrier

Mistwell

#27
February 07, 2021, 09:02:21 PM
I am Jewish, grandson of holocaust escapees, 98% Cohanim on both sides of the family according to Ancestry.com.

Reading this article literally sapped some IQ points from me, it was that stupid. This might be the dumbest thing I've read in a year. Someone needs to slap the stupid out of this author. This whiny shit sounds like "All the other minorities find something to bitch about, and I want attention too!" to me.

Kyle Aaron

#28
February 08, 2021, 12:12:55 AM
Mistwell, let's take him out with our Jewish space lasers! Much more fun than California forests.
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moonsweeper

#29
February 08, 2021, 01:16:11 AM
Quote from: Kyle Aaron on February 08, 2021, 12:12:55 AM
Mistwell, let's take him out with our Jewish space lasers! Much more fun than California forests.

Jewish space lasers?  ???

...should I ask or just remain blissfully unaware?
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