TheRPGSite

Fan Forums => The RPGPundit's Own Forum => Topic started by: RPGPundit on December 10, 2016, 02:16:05 PM

Title: NOTICE: Don't Come In If You're Going to Have A Bad Time. Show Some Self-Control
Post by: RPGPundit on December 10, 2016, 02:16:05 PM
If you're here on theRPGsite because you love RPGs, and don't want to be exposed to political topics, don't claim that theRPGsite is "ruined" by the Pundit's Forum because of it's political talk. No political talk is allowed on theRPGsite outside of the Pundit's Forum, and no one is putting a fucking gun to your head making you come in here.  The only thing "ruining" theRPGsite for yourself is YOUR lack of self-control in having to come and read threads that make you angry.

So if what you want is a forum where there's no political discussion, and where you can just talk about what really makes you happy (RPGs), there's a very simple solution for you: just show some goddamn self-control and stop going to the pundit's forum, and go only to the RPG or other forums.

If you really like the conversation on RPGs here, don't let something on a minor subforum ruin that for you. Exercise some fucking willpower and just ignore it. Because unlike RPGnet, there's no way it will spill over to affect you in some way, there's going to be no policies of enforced ideological conservatism, banning of leftist users or finding excuses to kick out people who don't like certain games by accusing them of being unpatriotic or something. The Pundit's Subforum has literally NO effect on any other part of the site, except the effect it has on your own head. If you don't like it, just pretend it doesn't exist, STOP FUCKING READING IT, and you'll see it will no longer affect your experience of RPG-discussion here in any way.

Because if you can't do that, it's not the forum that's the problem: it's you. Stop blaming the site or myself or other posters for YOUR lack of personal discipline, or your deluded obsession with thinking that you must peek into the Pundit's forum because people must know your valuable thoughts on the issues of the day, which you only share because you're a self-sacrificing martyr for truth rather than a narcissistic fucktard.

In other words, Do what thou wilt. But own it. If the thing you really like is all the RPG talk, that hasn't gone away, it hasn't been 'tainted', it's just that you need to stop reading threads on the Pundit's Sub-forum.  Go back to what you actually love. If deep down, you really like reading threads about politics that sometimes outrage you, quit fucking pretending that you're all indignant about it.

From now on, any indignant moron who pipes up about how awful the Pundit's Subforum is, or how toxic it is for the site, or how it has 'ruined' theRPGsite, should be referred to this thread. Thank you.
Title: NOTICE: Don't Come In If You're Going to Have A Bad Time. Show Some Self-Control
Post by: Doc Sammy on December 10, 2016, 02:38:45 PM
The thing is, despite our disagreements, I kind of actually like your sub-forum on here, all things considered.

But generally speaking, you are on the mark on this one.
Title: NOTICE: Don't Come In If You're Going to Have A Bad Time. Show Some Self-Control
Post by: soltakss on December 10, 2016, 04:07:37 PM
Someone's feeling very touchy today, did someone say a bad thing?
Title: NOTICE: Don't Come In If You're Going to Have A Bad Time. Show Some Self-Control
Post by: RPGPundit on December 10, 2016, 04:44:23 PM
No, it's the product of a long period of people talking about what a terrible political turn this site has taken, when what they really mean "there's politics I disagree with in one tiny section of theRPGsite that I could perfectly well not read and it would in no way continue to affect my experience of theRPGsite if I didn't, but I have so little self-control that I have to go and look, and then blame the Pundit for how offended I feel"
Title: NOTICE: Don't Come In If You're Going to Have A Bad Time. Show Some Self-Control
Post by: James Gillen on December 10, 2016, 04:51:59 PM
If this message was a sticky at RPG.net, it would be a much saner place.

JG
Title: NOTICE: Don't Come In If You're Going to Have A Bad Time. Show Some Self-Control
Post by: Tristram Evans on December 11, 2016, 09:13:30 PM
It's a fair enough statement, but at the same time, its also like going to your favourite bar and finding out the backroom is being used as a meet-up a bunch of KKK members.
It does taint the overall experience.
Title: NOTICE: Don't Come In If You're Going to Have A Bad Time. Show Some Self-Control
Post by: Nexus on December 11, 2016, 10:45:51 PM
Quote from: Tristram Evans;934631
It's a fair enough statement, but at the same time, its also like going to your favourite bar and finding out the backroom is being used as a meet-up a bunch of KKK members.
It does taint the overall experience.

That is a good way to put it. Its difficult to unsee thing seen and compartmentalize completely especially when, frankly, politics is often reflected in gaming preferences to some extent and seeing behind the curtain so to speak, makes that much easier to notice or difficult to ignore. *shrug*
Title: NOTICE: Don't Come In If You're Going to Have A Bad Time. Show Some Self-Control
Post by: Spinachcat on December 11, 2016, 10:50:58 PM
Pass the pizza, ignore the gate!!

:cool:
Title: NOTICE: Don't Come In If You're Going to Have A Bad Time. Show Some Self-Control
Post by: Doom on December 11, 2016, 10:59:06 PM
Quote from: Spinachcat;934639
Pass the pizza, ignore the gate!!

:cool:

I been wondering when whispers of that would come here.

Anyway, yeah it's pretty easy to ignore that two or so political threads...it's a shame some folk need to use a KKK smear. It's about as credible as worrying about Cthulhu mugging you on the way home. If you really feel that way, I know some left-wing hate sites with gamers you can go to instead.
Title: NOTICE: Don't Come In If You're Going to Have A Bad Time. Show Some Self-Control
Post by: Spinachcat on December 11, 2016, 11:12:26 PM
I blame Putin!!

:eek:
Title: NOTICE: Don't Come In If You're Going to Have A Bad Time. Show Some Self-Control
Post by: Tristram Evans on December 12, 2016, 12:34:12 AM
Quote from: Doom;934640

.it's a shame some folk need to use a KKK smear.

It wasn't a figurative statement, some posters on here are very blatant bigots
Title: NOTICE: Don't Come In If You're Going to Have A Bad Time. Show Some Self-Control
Post by: blackstone on December 12, 2016, 07:08:01 AM
Quote from: Tristram Evans;934656
It wasn't a figurative statement, some posters on here are very blatant bigots


Oh shit.....Here we go again....
Title: NOTICE: Don't Come In If You're Going to Have A Bad Time. Show Some Self-Control
Post by: Doom on December 12, 2016, 11:40:04 AM
Quote from: blackstone;934680
Oh shit.....Here we go again....

I know, it's nuts, right? The election showed that this tactic just doesn't work anymore, but it's still being used. I go to left wing hate sites...and they just don't get it, just pure hate about how only racists voted for Trump, how there are mountains of evidence Russia hacked the election, how the mainstream media was way too positive in coverage of the RACIST Trump.

It seems like it was just a month ago that any poller who said Trump had a chance of winning only did so because he was a RACIST, and thus was wrong and bigoted about his polling.

Just nuts...
Title: NOTICE: Don't Come In If You're Going to Have A Bad Time. Show Some Self-Control
Post by: Tristram Evans on December 12, 2016, 11:52:25 AM
Quote from: Doom;934717
I know, it's nuts, right?

Cut the bullshit man. You're the only one bringing up Trump. I've never once in my life said all Trump supporters are racist or anything to that effect. I said there are bigots on this board. It has jackshit to do with who they voted for for president, its about people saying racist things about blacks, native americans, making tasteless jokes about autism, etc. You know, the definition of bigotry? There's no "tactic" there, just pointing to the depressing self-absorbed idiocy of degenerates.

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt that you're ignorant of these conversations taking place here,and just made a bad assumption that this was some anti-trump thing (or some "Left" thing for that matter, since politically I'm a conservative), but that assumption is on you.
Title: NOTICE: Don't Come In If You're Going to Have A Bad Time. Show Some Self-Control
Post by: Doom on December 12, 2016, 01:16:07 PM
Quote from: Tristram Evans;934718
Cut the bullshit man. You're the only one bringing up Trump. I've never once in my life said all Trump supporters are racist or anything to that effect. I said there are bigots on this board. It has jackshit to do with who they voted for for president, its about people saying racist things about blacks, native americans, making tasteless jokes about autism, etc. You know, the definition of bigotry? There's no "tactic" there, just pointing to the depressing self-absorbed idiocy of degenerates.

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt that you're ignorant of these conversations taking place here,and just made a bad assumption that this was some anti-trump thing (or some "Left" thing for that matter, since politically I'm a conservative), but that assumption is on you.

Cut the bullshit back at you, man. Nobody here has done anything "bigoted", nobody here has claimed to be part of the "KKK". This hateful insulting smear is on you. The pedophilic left's primary tactic is to smear everything they don't like...if you're conservative, why are you using the tactics of the pedophile left?

Can you see any problem with this kind of smear? Do you understand how idiotic it is, to continue the smear tactic in the face of it clearly not working anymore? As someone else said, the weapon is blunted now...
Title: NOTICE: Don't Come In If You're Going to Have A Bad Time. Show Some Self-Control
Post by: Koltar on December 12, 2016, 02:52:04 PM
Directed at the Pundit - even the times I have disagreed with you politically - your take on things has been entertaining and pretty darn well-written.  Over time I realized your point of view on RPGs in general matched up with mine for the most part. its just that I strangely prefer GURPS as my main rules system. As for 'politics' I attempt to be 'Libertarian' and don't always succeed - or at least try a version of being in the middle of the plane watching in flight movies instead of choosing either a 'left' or 'right' wing to follow.

- Ed C.
Title: NOTICE: Don't Come In If You're Going to Have A Bad Time. Show Some Self-Control
Post by: Tristram Evans on December 12, 2016, 06:50:02 PM
Quote from: Doom;934728
Nobody here has done anything "bigoted"

OK, so you're willfully ignorant. Got it.

Quote
The pedophilic left's...

Annnnnd ...that's the point where I stop giving the benefit of the doubt.
Title: NOTICE: Don't Come In If You're Going to Have A Bad Time. Show Some Self-Control
Post by: Doom on December 12, 2016, 07:23:11 PM
You know, you could just back up what you say instead of swing that blunted weapon yet again.

And, talk about missing the point with my reference to the pedophilic left...

Anyway, it's clear that any attempt to stop with the baseless slurs is "adding to the problem" so I reckon I'll stop trying to even slow it down. Even a blunted weapon can land a blow, apparently.
Title: NOTICE: Don't Come In If You're Going to Have A Bad Time. Show Some Self-Control
Post by: Warboss Squee on December 12, 2016, 07:26:33 PM
Borh of you are simultaneously missing the point and being a sterling example of why this thread exists.
Title: NOTICE: Don't Come In If You're Going to Have A Bad Time. Show Some Self-Control
Post by: RPGPundit on December 12, 2016, 07:55:10 PM
Quote from: Warboss Squee;934769
Borh of you are simultaneously missing the point and being a sterling example of why this thread exists.

True.
Title: NOTICE: Don't Come In If You're Going to Have A Bad Time. Show Some Self-Control
Post by: Doom on December 12, 2016, 08:30:59 PM
Hey, I'm having fun, but if checking out will cut down on the baseless slurs, I'll check out.
Title: NOTICE: Don't Come In If You're Going to Have A Bad Time. Show Some Self-Control
Post by: James Gillen on December 12, 2016, 09:12:24 PM
Quote from: Doom;934640
I been wondering when whispers of that would come here.

Anyway, yeah it's pretty easy to ignore that two or so political threads...it's a shame some folk need to use a KKK smear. It's about as credible as worrying about Cthulhu mugging you on the way home.


Except that we know that the Klan exists.

JG
Title: NOTICE: Don't Come In If You're Going to Have A Bad Time. Show Some Self-Control
Post by: Spinachcat on December 13, 2016, 12:18:23 AM
I've disagreed with plenty of members of the site on gaming or politics or whatever, but among the regular posters with whom I have interacted over the years, there is not anyone I can remember that I would not want to sit down and dice with.

The Presidency of the USA isn't an important enough topic for us to get peeved at each other about.

...that's what edition wars are for! ;)
Title: NOTICE: Don't Come In If You're Going to Have A Bad Time. Show Some Self-Control
Post by: Arminius on December 13, 2016, 01:36:14 AM
Remember how Tangency swallowed RPGnet?

I'm not saying it's gotten to that point but I've felt that the site as a whole has gotten less interesting since the election, probably because all the discussion is being drawn over here. Maybe that will die down. Maybe it won't.

I'm not put off by the political natterings, I even look from time to time, and I'll grant that, unlike Tangency, the political stuff doesn't seem to be leaking back to the main fora. (One or two posters excepted.) But I'll give this friendly suggestion: talk about whatever you like here, but provide a way--at least as an option--so that when people click New Posts (http://www.therpgsite.com/search.php?do=getnew&contenttype=vBForum_Post), they'll get everything but this forum.
Title: NOTICE: Don't Come In If You're Going to Have A Bad Time. Show Some Self-Control
Post by: Koltar on December 13, 2016, 01:40:55 AM
Quote from: James Gillen;934782
Except that we know that the Klan exists.

JG

So? So what does that have to do with Role Playing Games?
Why are you even bringing them up at all? Do the Orcs in your game speak with a southern accent and the medieval cart version of pickup trucks?

- Ed C.
Title: NOTICE: Don't Come In If You're Going to Have A Bad Time. Show Some Self-Control
Post by: Spinachcat on December 13, 2016, 03:27:41 AM
Quote from: Arminius;934797
But I'll give this friendly suggestion: talk about whatever you like here, but provide a way--at least as an option--so that when people click New Posts (http://www.therpgsite.com/search.php?do=getnew&contenttype=vBForum_Post), they'll get everything but this forum.

I support this idea.

Maybe a Personalized New Posts function where people decide which forums show up in their New Posts?
Title: NOTICE: Don't Come In If You're Going to Have A Bad Time. Show Some Self-Control
Post by: Anon Adderlan on December 13, 2016, 03:40:23 AM
Was anyone actually complaining about this, or is this another imaginary menace?

Quote from: Tristram Evans;934631
It's a fair enough statement, but at the same time, its also like going to your favourite bar and finding out the backroom is being used as a meet-up a bunch of KKK members.


No it's not.

Communication networks are no more physical spaces than mean words physical harm, and I really wish people stopped making the equivalency.

Quote from: Doom;934728
Can you see any problem with this kind of smear? Do you understand how idiotic it is, to continue the smear tactic in the face of it clearly not working anymore? As someone else said, the weapon is blunted now...


Thing is it's still very effective for sustaining tribal bonds. It's not a weapon, it's a cultural tradition.
Title: NOTICE: Don't Come In If You're Going to Have A Bad Time. Show Some Self-Control
Post by: Ratman_tf on December 13, 2016, 11:25:49 AM
Racists! Racists everywhere! It's a Trumpocalpyse!
Title: NOTICE: Don't Come In If You're Going to Have A Bad Time. Show Some Self-Control
Post by: Arminius on December 13, 2016, 11:35:53 AM
Quote from: Koltar;934798
So? So what does that have to do with Role Playing Games?
Why are you even bringing them up at all? Do the Orcs in your game speak with a southern accent and the medieval cart version of pickup trucks?

- Ed C.
Genuinely useful RPG content! Thanks!
Title: NOTICE: Don't Come In If You're Going to Have A Bad Time. Show Some Self-Control
Post by: ArrozConLeche on December 15, 2016, 09:43:15 AM
This is also perfect advice for the  "men" (more like drama queen pre-k children) who complain that a thread is "trolling" yet obviously lack the self-control to stop participating in it. Whiny losers are always good for a laugh, though.
Title: NOTICE: Don't Come In If You're Going to Have A Bad Time. Show Some Self-Control
Post by: Tod13 on December 15, 2016, 12:57:06 PM
Quote from: Koltar;934798
So? So what does that have to do with Role Playing Games?
Why are you even bringing them up at all? Do the Orcs in your game speak with a southern accent and the medieval cart version of pickup trucks?

- Ed C.

Yay! :D Reminds me of my WH40k orcs, back when orcs painted their carts red because "red wunz go faster". My orcs always had their artillery hooked to the vehicle and always dropped the artillery without stopping. Silly, and bad tactics, but there were rules for it and it seemed to fit the orcs personalities.

I'm actually thinking of making the orcs in my game the technologically, magically, and philosophically sophisticated race.
Title: NOTICE: Don't Come In If You're Going to Have A Bad Time. Show Some Self-Control
Post by: Warboss Squee on December 15, 2016, 01:19:29 PM
Quote from: Tod13;935228
Yay! :D Reminds me of my WH40k orcs, back when orcs painted their carts red because "red wunz go faster". My orcs always had their artillery hooked to the vehicle and always dropped the artillery without stopping. Silly, and bad tactics, but there were rules for it and it seemed to fit the orcs personalities.

Huh.  Minus the red paint, we called that an Iraqi Drive-By back in the day.
Title: NOTICE: Don't Come In If You're Going to Have A Bad Time. Show Some Self-Control
Post by: Tod13 on December 15, 2016, 01:22:27 PM
Quote from: Warboss Squee;935234
Huh.  Minus the red paint, we called that an Iraqi Drive-By back in the day.

LOL In this case "back in the day" is pre-Iraq War. Before Desert Storm. Before Desert Shield. So, back before "back in the day".
Title: NOTICE: Don't Come In If You're Going to Have A Bad Time. Show Some Self-Control
Post by: RPGPundit on December 15, 2016, 11:31:08 PM
Quote from: Arminius;934797
Remember how Tangency swallowed RPGnet?

I'm not saying it's gotten to that point but I've felt that the site as a whole has gotten less interesting since the election, probably because all the discussion is being drawn over here. Maybe that will die down. Maybe it won't.

I'm not put off by the political natterings, I even look from time to time, and I'll grant that, unlike Tangency, the political stuff doesn't seem to be leaking back to the main fora. (One or two posters excepted.) But I'll give this friendly suggestion: talk about whatever you like here, but provide a way--at least as an option--so that when people click New Posts (http://www.therpgsite.com/search.php?do=getnew&contenttype=vBForum_Post), they'll get everything but this forum.


If there was a way for us to do that, and by 'us' I really mean Brett, I'd have no objection.
Title: NOTICE: Don't Come In If You're Going to Have A Bad Time. Show Some Self-Control
Post by: brettmb on December 15, 2016, 11:36:04 PM
I think I managed that, but not sure.
Title: NOTICE: Don't Come In If You're Going to Have A Bad Time. Show Some Self-Control
Post by: Bucket on December 16, 2016, 07:26:44 AM
Cool.
Title: NOTICE: Don't Come In If You're Going to Have A Bad Time. Show Some Self-Control
Post by: Tod13 on December 16, 2016, 08:57:02 AM
Quote from: RPGPundit;935348
If there was a way for us to do that, and by 'us' I really mean Brett, I'd have no objection.

LOL See, in the RPG area, I want an "ignore thread" button. There comes a point in a thread's life when it should be left to die in peace. :)
Title: NOTICE: Don't Come In If You're Going to Have A Bad Time. Show Some Self-Control
Post by: Tod13 on December 16, 2016, 08:59:44 AM
Quote from: brettmb;935350
I think I managed that, but not sure.

It looks like it works for me, logged in. I clicked on "What's New?" and nothing on the resulting page was from Pundit's Forum.

I tried it in a different browser, and it worked not logged in too.

I went back 2-3 days.
Title: NOTICE: Don't Come In If You're Going to Have A Bad Time. Show Some Self-Control
Post by: Nexus on December 16, 2016, 09:05:53 PM
Using tags in the subject header to mark a thread as [Politics], [Gaming], etc in Pundit's forum might help.
Title: NOTICE: Don't Come In If You're Going to Have A Bad Time. Show Some Self-Control
Post by: RPGPundit on December 17, 2016, 04:13:18 AM
Quote from: Tod13;935399
LOL See, in the RPG area, I want an "ignore thread" button. There comes a point in a thread's life when it should be left to die in peace. :)


You could, you know, just not read it.
Title: NOTICE: Don't Come In If You're Going to Have A Bad Time. Show Some Self-Control
Post by: RPGPundit on December 17, 2016, 04:14:56 AM
Quote from: Nexus;935562
Using tags in the subject header to mark a thread as [Politics], [Gaming], etc in Pundit's forum might help.

If people want to add those kinds of tags, I'm not opposed. But I do think that most of the time, the titles make it pretty clear for the most part what the subject matter is going to be about.

As for threads that I start in this subforum, they're usually either linking to articles I just published at Break (MOST of which are not political these days), or archived blog entries from a year ago (again, most of which are not political).
Title: NOTICE: Don't Come In If You're Going to Have A Bad Time. Show Some Self-Control
Post by: James Gillen on December 17, 2016, 03:24:42 PM
Quote from: RPGPundit;935590
You could, you know, just not read it.

Free will seems to be too much for some people.

JG
Title: NOTICE: Don't Come In If You're Going to Have A Bad Time. Show Some Self-Control
Post by: Armchair Gamer on December 17, 2016, 03:36:22 PM
Quote from: RPGPundit;935590
You could, you know, just not read it.


   Although it would arguably make things easier if we could put you on the Ignore List. :D
Title: NOTICE: Don't Come In If You're Going to Have A Bad Time. Show Some Self-Control
Post by: Tod13 on December 17, 2016, 08:26:40 PM
Quote from: RPGPundit;935590
You could, you know, just not read it.

That's what I do. ;)

I was thinking of it helping other people that keep threads alive long past their "consume by" dates.
Title: NOTICE: Don't Come In If You're Going to Have A Bad Time. Show Some Self-Control
Post by: jeff37923 on December 17, 2016, 09:24:43 PM
Quote from: RPGPundit;935590
You could, you know, just not read it.


What kind of Common Sense gibberish is this?! :D
Title: NOTICE: Don't Come In If You're Going to Have A Bad Time. Show Some Self-Control
Post by: Anon Adderlan on December 19, 2016, 02:36:30 PM
Quote from: Tod13;935399
I want an "ignore thread" button. There comes a point in a thread's life when it should be left to die in peace. :)

Quote from: RPGPundit;935590
You could, you know, just not read it.

Quote from: James Gillen;935656
Free will seems to be too much for some people.

Quote from: jeff37923;935695
What kind of Common Sense gibberish is this?! :D

Lets say you have an email account which receives every email. After all, anything else is a compromise of free will and demonstration of weak character.

The whole point of information technology is to manage information. So this has nothing to do with ethics or willpower, and everything to do with #Luddites. And if it takes me longer to see or get to discussions I want to participate in, I'm less likely to do so.

But by all means carry on and enjoy the equilibrium theRPGsite has reached.
Title: NOTICE: Don't Come In If You're Going to Have A Bad Time. Show Some Self-Control
Post by: James Gillen on December 21, 2016, 02:10:14 AM
Quote from: Anon Adderlan;935932
Lets say you have an email account which receives every email. After all, anything else is a compromise of free will and demonstration of weak character.

The whole point of information technology is to manage information. So this has nothing to do with ethics or willpower, and everything to do with #Luddites. And if it takes me longer to see or get to discussions I want to participate in, I'm less likely to do so.

But by all means carry on and enjoy the equilibrium theRPGsite has reached.

There's also that "unsubscribe from thread" option if you get email updates.  I've used it more than once. ;)

JG
Title: NOTICE: Don't Come In If You're Going to Have A Bad Time. Show Some Self-Control
Post by: Rincewind1 on December 25, 2016, 04:03:04 PM
Sounds safespacian to me.
Title: NOTICE: Don't Come In If You're Going to Have A Bad Time. Show Some Self-Control
Post by: Tod13 on December 25, 2016, 10:19:36 PM
Are people that really scared of an "ignore thread" button? It would be convenient for those who have a life offline or bad memories and don't remember which of the 6-8 current running threads (in which we commented) we are still interested in and are still interesting (and who don't subscribe to threads because the rapid descent into crap of some threads makes it not worth it). It might also encourage people to "let go" of threads that devolve to the same crap over and over again.
Title: NOTICE: Don't Come In If You're Going to Have A Bad Time. Show Some Self-Control
Post by: RPGPundit on December 25, 2016, 11:35:05 PM
Quote from: Rincewind1;936989
Sounds safespacian to me.


This is the opposite of that. "Safespaces" are based on the idea of censoring anything that might offend someone. This is demanding that people be responsible for owning their own sense of offendedness. No one else needs to shut up because they don't like what's being said, and no one is forcing them to read what offends them. If they're offended/triggered/whatever by what's being said, why the fuck are they sticking around and reading it?  Either stop being a fucking pussy, or stop coming to the threads you know you'll be so traumatized by.
Title: NOTICE: Don't Come In If You're Going to Have A Bad Time. Show Some Self-Control
Post by: James Gillen on December 26, 2016, 05:15:20 AM
Again, free will seems to be too much for some people.

JG
Title: NOTICE: Don't Come In If You're Going to Have A Bad Time. Show Some Self-Control
Post by: Rincewind1 on December 27, 2016, 07:10:31 AM
Quote from: RPGPundit;937049
This is the opposite of that. "Safespaces" are based on the idea of censoring anything that might offend someone. This is demanding that people be responsible for owning their own sense of offendedness. No one else needs to shut up because they don't like what's being said, and no one is forcing them to read what offends them. If they're offended/triggered/whatever by what's being said, why the fuck are they sticking around and reading it?  Either stop being a fucking pussy, or stop coming to the threads you know you'll be so traumatized by.

Pussy? I ain't traumatized by your bullshit one bit, I just ain't much in a mood to fight you and your bunch of alt-right cheerleaders every time I sneak my head into the wasteland that the political part of this forum has become. It was fun for a while but whatever the reasons, you have recently went full retard as far as I am concerned, and I no longer have any desire to speak with someone who lunches such accusations as me selling out my classmates alongside Merkel (if only because seeing how I was born in the 90s, I'd have a rather hard time selling people to communist secret police). Verbal wrestling is sure fun, but I had my share of it for the year.


And yes, it is safe-spacian. First step of it, actually. "Don't answer if you know you're gonna have a bad time (because you don't fit in) is about 2-3 steps away from "You just aren't a good fit for the board." Setting a mob on someone ain't the same as banning, sure, but it's mostly semantics. You're not taking steps to raise the level of conversation, you are taking steps that only those who fit in (and hold no dissenting opinions) are part of it. Which is the very definition of safe space.

And it'd not be even that much of a problem if it wasn't for your cheerleaders routinely disrupting regular RPG conversations to wage their crusades on Cultural Marxism (TM). The quality of discussion here was steadily dropping as the old school grognards left back in the 5e debacle days (which I am sure your ego and behaviour had nothing to do with), and nowadays, with them mostly gone, with you trying as hard as you can to fuck up what remains of this website as you possibly can. I can't see any way but downhill, but hey - I always considered post-apocalyptic fiction to be my favourite genre, so be my guest. No skin off my nose if I come here more to laugh than for gaming content. The only thing I feel bad is that I once defended your sorry ass.

Quote from: James Gillen;937091
Again, free will seems to be too much for some people.

JG

I've got plenty of free will, but as Tristam said best, some of us don't feel 100% good coming to bar where you know in the back room people are discussing whether or not Iraqis are genetically predisposed against democracy.

And as a guy who used to frequent such dive(s), I can tell you that sooner or later it ain't ending well.

Fuck's sake, I know that in US "love it or leave it" is considered a genuine argument, but I thought we were generally smarter on this website.
Title: NOTICE: Don't Come In If You're Going to Have A Bad Time. Show Some Self-Control
Post by: Koltar on December 28, 2016, 01:08:33 AM
Quote from: Rincewind1;937223
Pussy? I ain't traumatized by your bullshit one bit,.......

Fuck's sake, I know that in US "love it or leave it" is considered a genuine argument, but I thought we were generally smarter on this website.

Dude,
 Have you thought about trying de-caff?

- Ed C.
Title: NOTICE: Don't Come In If You're Going to Have A Bad Time. Show Some Self-Control
Post by: Spinachcat on December 28, 2016, 03:13:12 AM
Fuck decaf! It's neutered coffee. I feel bad for those beans.

BTW Rincewind, do you think there's gonna be much political jizz happening here anymore?  The Electoral College turned out boringly anti-climactic and the daily noise of Red vs. Blue isn't enough to spark the gasoline like the election did.  


Quote from: Tod13;937042
Are people that really scared of an "ignore thread" button?

If we have an Ignore Poster button, I see no reason we can't have an Ingore Thread button.

I find the Ignore button concept lame, but it seems to be popular with forum folk.
Title: NOTICE: Don't Come In If You're Going to Have A Bad Time. Show Some Self-Control
Post by: RPGPundit on December 28, 2016, 03:43:31 AM
If anyone makes off-topic political posts on any forum other than the Pundit's forum, moderators should be alerted to this fact. It's not allowed.
Title: NOTICE: Don't Come In If You're Going to Have A Bad Time. Show Some Self-Control
Post by: Tod13 on December 28, 2016, 11:06:56 AM
Quote from: Spinachcat;937429

If we have an Ignore Poster button, I see no reason we can't have an Ingore Thread button.

I find the Ignore button concept lame, but it seems to be popular with forum folk.

It was 73% tongue in cheek. I'm just tired of sorting through threads that have devolved into crap. I have a horrible memory and forget if a thread is still interesting.

If I were writing the forum software, I'd instead make it a thread ranking system (kind of like Soylent News uses for posts), where you can override the automatic sorting/exposure to rank something as "not interesting, don't show me". But that's a lot more complicated than a plain old "hide this please" button, and also requires the forum culture to support such a ranking.

I don't have anyone on ignore here. Nobody is stalking me (yet) and most of the constant forum pairing don't start until threads have become crap anyway.
Title: NOTICE: Don't Come In If You're Going to Have A Bad Time. Show Some Self-Control
Post by: Crüesader on December 29, 2016, 09:45:14 AM
Quote from: RPGPundit;937432
If anyone makes off-topic political posts on any forum other than the Pundit's forum, moderators should be alerted to this fact. It's not allowed.

I came here actually because I heard about you.  You fucking degenerate, you.  ;)

Anyway, I'll bring up a problem right now, in all fairness:

1- No complaining about how the Pundit's piece of the forum is 'ruining' the forum, just because you don't like it or disagree with it.  

2- Don't post any sociopolitical stuff outside Pundit's forum.  Mods will move it there most of the time, if it encroaches on that.

3- If Pundit doesn't like the topic or it isn't specifically tailored to his own interest, then it will be closed/deleted.  Despite, you know, rule #1.

Just sort of want to put that out there, because that's been the case in the past.  Fair is fair, and if you say "It's my forum, I do what I want" then okay, have it your way.

On to other things.

Quote from: Rincewind1;937223
It was fun for a while but whatever the reasons, you have recently went full retard as far as I am concerned, and I no longer have any desire to speak with someone who lunches such accusations as me selling out my classmates alongside Merkel (if only because seeing how I was born in the 90s, I'd have a rather hard time selling people to communist secret police). Verbal wrestling is sure fun, but I had my share of it for the year.

"Full Retard" = "People who disagree with me".  I disagree with much of what you say, but I don't think you're retarded.  I think you may be a person who sees the same problems everyone else does, and you see a different solution.  Or you may be misinformed, or not informed enough, or simply have a different moral position.  However, you're later going to complain about 'ego' while in the same post claiming people who disagree with you are 'retarded'.  

Quote from: Rincewind1;937223
And yes, it is safe-spacian. First step of it, actually. "Don't answer if you know you're gonna have a bad time (because you don't fit in) is about 2-3 steps away from "You just aren't a good fit for the board." Setting a mob on someone ain't the same as banning, sure, but it's mostly semantics. You're not taking steps to raise the level of conversation, you are taking steps that only those who fit in (and hold no dissenting opinions) are part of it. Which is the very definition of safe space.

No, it isn't.  It's saying that if you're going to whine for people to do away with all of these topics because you dislike them, then simply do not take a role in discussing those topics.  That's it.  It'd be like you coming over to my house to complain about how I arrange my furniture- if you do not like it, and insist on complaining or demanding I remove the furniture- do not come over.  Or, suck it up and stop being a pussy.

Quote from: Rincewind1;937223
Pussy? I ain't traumatized by your bullshit one bit, I just ain't much in a mood to fight you and your bunch of alt-right cheerleaders every time I sneak my head into the wasteland that the political part of this forum has become.

You didn't even know what the Alt-Right was before someone came on television two months ago and told you they were racists and assholes.  Quit pretending you know anything about it.  And I don't care if you think it's an argument or not, if you dislike it- there are other forums.  Or start your own- hey, tell you what- I will even HELP you start your own forum.

Quote from: James Gillen;935656
Free will seems to be too much for some people.

Exactly.  This is why I think we should start considering 'legal adulthood' to be a series of achievements, rather than an age.  When 20-30 year olds can't control their emotions on the internet or in normal life scenarios, we probably should evaluate this.
Title: NOTICE: Don't Come In If You're Going to Have A Bad Time. Show Some Self-Control
Post by: RPGPundit on December 29, 2016, 05:31:28 PM
Quote from: Crüesader;937662
I came here actually because I heard about you.  You fucking degenerate, you.  ;)

Anyway, I'll bring up a problem right now, in all fairness:

1- No complaining about how the Pundit's piece of the forum is 'ruining' the forum, just because you don't like it or disagree with it.  

2- Don't post any sociopolitical stuff outside Pundit's forum.  Mods will move it there most of the time, if it encroaches on that.

3- If Pundit doesn't like the topic or it isn't specifically tailored to his own interest, then it will be closed/deleted.  Despite, you know, rule #1.

Just sort of want to put that out there, because that's been the case in the past.  Fair is fair, and if you say "It's my forum, I do what I want" then okay, have it your way.


You pose this as a problem, but I literally don't understand how this is a problem? It seems to me like you're listing three things here:
1) I don't want people complaining about how my forum is 'wrecking' theRPGsite when no one is required to come here
2) You can't post political stuff outside anywhere on theRPGsite outside of my forum.
3) My forum is only for posting stuff that interests me, and if it doesn't I will close it.

How do those three things add up to a problem?

Wracking my brain about it, but really I'm just guessing here, it seems like you're trying to say that your 'problem' is that you can't post about politics outside the Pundit's Subforum, but inside the Pundit's Subforum you might have your topic closed if I have no interest in it. Is that it? Is that your problem?

Because if so, the flaw in your logic is your assumption that there MUST be a place on theRPGsite (a site founded by me about RPGs) for posting general political things. There is no reason at all why there must be. The Pundit's Forum is NOT about politics, it's about ME and things that interest me.  It is the only place where political topics are allowed on the entire RPGsite, but only under the condition of fulfilling the actual mandate of that subforum: the political topic must interest me (or, I guess in theory, be "about" me in some way).
Title: NOTICE: Don't Come In If You're Going to Have A Bad Time. Show Some Self-Control
Post by: Anon Adderlan on December 30, 2016, 07:55:32 AM
Quote from: James Gillen;936204
There's also that "unsubscribe from thread" option if you get email updates.  I've used it more than once. ;)


I think you've missed my point, which is you don't have to ignore email because you only get what's sent to you. But if you become suddenly popular or get put on a spam list I guarantee you'll be filtering those fuckers out, if it's not already being filtered for you.

Quote from: Tod13;937042
Are people that really scared of an "ignore thread" button?


Well they did lose their minds over the "thread voting" system.

Quote from: Rincewind1;937223
And yes, it is safe-spacian. First step of it, actually. "Don't answer if you know you're gonna have a bad time (because you don't fit in) is about 2-3 steps away from "You just aren't a good fit for the board." Setting a mob on someone ain't the same as banning, sure, but it's mostly semantics. You're not taking steps to raise the level of conversation, you are taking steps that only those who fit in (and hold no dissenting opinions) are part of it. Which is the very definition of safe space.


Safe spaces are all about places where you won't be judged, and this most definitely ain't it. The number of times I've seen #ThePundit called on his shit on his own board would have gotten someone banned on RPG.net a hundred times over. And where are these mobs you speak of?

Quote from: Rincewind1;937223
some of us don't feel 100% good coming to bar where you know in the back room people are discussing whether or not Iraqis are genetically predisposed against democracy.


Which describes the entire #Internet, so maybe you should stop using it.

Again, a communications medium is no more a physical space that mean words physical violence. Are they related? Sure. But treating them as equivalent is ignorant if not deliberately dishonest. And once you ban those discussions on Iraqi genetics, discussions on global warming and evolution can't be far behind.

We're living in a society which considers 'fake' news to be a bigger problem than not critically evaluating what one reads, and would rather some authority decide what they hear. That's fucking terrifying. And while this may be a rather small and insignificant corner of the internet full of people I don't really connect with, I'd still rather participate here than somewhere that will silence, or worse, change the meaning of my words.
Title: NOTICE: Don't Come In If You're Going to Have A Bad Time. Show Some Self-Control
Post by: Crüesader on December 30, 2016, 12:01:15 PM
Quote from: RPGPundit;937767
Because if so, the flaw in your logic is your assumption that there MUST be a place on theRPGsite (a site founded by me about RPGs) for posting general political things. There is no reason at all why there must be. The Pundit's Forum is NOT about politics, it's about ME and things that interest me.  It is the only place where political topics are allowed on the entire RPGsite, but only under the condition of fulfilling the actual mandate of that subforum: the political topic must interest me (or, I guess in theory, be "about" me in some way).

Oh, I'm not saying there -must- be.  But it is kind of giving the folks around you a bit of fuel.  I mean, let's face it- the nutshell is that any non-gaming talk must directly appeal to Mr. Pundit, so therefore Mr. Pundit completely controls any and all of this.  

You seem like a smart guy.  So I think you can see what I'm getting at.

It is what it is.  If that's what you want, that's what you get.  It's your little section, you run it your way.  Just be advised: it doesn't make you seem much different from the other end of this horse-shoe.  The scrubs on 'another site' shut down any and all discussion they dislike with one excuse, and you use another.  

As someone who generally agrees with you much of the time, I can still tug your sleeve and point to the problem right here.

But if that's the way you want it, this isn't a public park- it's a forum and you can run it your way.
Title: NOTICE: Don't Come In If You're Going to Have A Bad Time. Show Some Self-Control
Post by: CRKrueger on December 30, 2016, 09:29:51 PM
Quote from: Crüesader;937884
Oh, I'm not saying there -must- be.  But it is kind of giving the folks around you a bit of fuel.  I mean, let's face it- the nutshell is that any non-gaming talk must directly appeal to Mr. Pundit, so therefore Mr. Pundit completely controls any and all of this.  

You seem like a smart guy.  So I think you can see what I'm getting at.

It is what it is.  If that's what you want, that's what you get.  It's your little section, you run it your way.  Just be advised: it doesn't make you seem much different from the other end of this horse-shoe.  The scrubs on 'another site' shut down any and all discussion they dislike with one excuse, and you use another.  

As someone who generally agrees with you much of the time, I can still tug your sleeve and point to the problem right here.

But if that's the way you want it, this isn't a public park- it's a forum and you can run it your way.


If Pundit were shutting down threads willy nilly every time someone posted something he disagreed with, then maybe you'd have a point.  However, he doesn't, he usually instead comes out both barrels blazing and people give it right back, so it's a false equivalency you've concocted there.  

"Closing this thread because it bores me or has turned into something silly" is not "Closing this thread because someone dared to post an opinion I can't bear seeing expressed."
Title: NOTICE: Don't Come In If You're Going to Have A Bad Time. Show Some Self-Control
Post by: Crüesader on January 01, 2017, 05:15:32 AM
Quote from: CRKrueger;937962
If Pundit were shutting down threads willy nilly every time someone posted something he disagreed with, then maybe you'd have a point.  However, he doesn't, he usually instead comes out both barrels blazing and people give it right back, so it's a false equivalency you've concocted there.

"Closing this thread because it bores me or has turned into something silly" is not "Closing this thread because someone dared to post an opinion I can't bear seeing expressed."

I can understand locking a threat if it's turned into shitposting.  However, anything off-topic must directly appeal to Mr. Pundit, which sort of limits the topics.  I'm not saying he must allow other discussions- it is, after all, his part of the forum to do with as he pleases.

The different between Mr. Pundit and the Limp-Wristers elsewhere is that they're pretending to be offended about something they don't want to discuss, Pundit just doesn't want to discuss them and shuts it down.

Again, it's his.  He can do with it as he pleases.  But it is a bit silly that all off-topic discussions must directly fall under his purview and be laid out to appease his own personal fancies.  

If that's the way it is, that's just the way it is.
Title: NOTICE: Don't Come In If You're Going to Have A Bad Time. Show Some Self-Control
Post by: ningauble on January 01, 2017, 01:04:35 PM
I'm kind of new here, and I think I will stop posting on political topics, in fact I deleted my most recent comment. I used to discuss politics at RPGnet until, like most people here, I got disgusted and left. I voted Libertarian this year (arriving from the Left as you probably all figured out) and after the election I decided to stick to libertarian-leaning sites to preserve my sanity.

I was under the impression that theRPGpundit was a libertarian of some sort, however in my opinion, when it comes to politics this is just another pro-Trump community (albeit with a few dissenters) fighting the same old culture wars that have made every other political forum on the internet intolerable over the past year. And pro-Trump =/= libertarian in case there was any confusion about that.  

Living as I am in extreme blue-state territory, I've been witnessing this for the past eight years - shit that liberals would never have tolerated under Dubya is basically accepted as long as it's "their guy" Obama doing the evil shit. Sure, they pay lip service to their principles, but in practice they look the other way. And now you see Trump followers doing the same thing. Breitbart is RPGnet through the looking glass, the worst sort of echo chamber with maybe an occasional token deviation. The two-party duopoly has completed infected us all and there seems to be no end in sight.

In closing, let me say that this is clearly one dude's site, and so the quality of the forum is only as good as the quality of the M.C. hosting the forum. Pundit is a great M.C. for RPG discussion, probably the best on the internet. I find the discussion of esoteric and religious subjects quite interesting. When it comes to politics, though, it's too much standard culture war bullshit for my taste, but thanks for letting me hang out for a while after the crazy election year came to an end and I needed to hash out some stuff with random people online. It actually was very educational and this site, collectively with a few others that I've visited over the past two months, made me realize that some of my opinions were quite biased and needed revising. So there's that. Happy new year.
Title: NOTICE: Don't Come In If You're Going to Have A Bad Time. Show Some Self-Control
Post by: David Johansen on January 01, 2017, 08:52:19 PM
Really, Tangency always taints rpg.net.  I occasionally forget and wander back into Tangency and get reminded.  I always miss the place it was.  You always have to watch your subtext on the rest of the site because the attack dogs are always waiting and watching.  Sometimes I wonder if they have a secret subforum or a watch list for posters they want to harass.  Certainly some of the mods are as biased and grudge holding as trolls get.

I can't blame The Pundit for not wanting it to happen to his site, though at times his getting to talk about what he wants and shut down conversation when he wants feels pretty one sided.
Title: NOTICE: Don't Come In If You're Going to Have A Bad Time. Show Some Self-Control
Post by: Crüesader on January 02, 2017, 12:37:04 AM
Quote from: David Johansen;938166
Really, Tangency always taints rpg.net.  I occasionally forget and wander back into Tangency and get reminded.  I always miss the place it was.  You always have to watch your subtext on the rest of the site because the attack dogs are always waiting and watching.  Sometimes I wonder if they have a secret subforum or a watch list for posters they want to harass.  Certainly some of the mods are as biased and grudge holding as trolls get.

I sort of think that Tangent is specifically there to bait people into saying things, showing their hand, and then getting them booted.

"LOOK WOMEN!  WE FOUND A MEANIE PIG GAMERGOOTER ALT-RIGHT BIGOT!  LOOK HOW WE KICK THEM OUT!  BUY OUR STUFF AND SUPPORT US AND TOUCH OUR WEENIES!"

Yeah.  I love it.
Title: NOTICE: Don't Come In If You're Going to Have A Bad Time. Show Some Self-Control
Post by: RPGPundit on January 02, 2017, 04:26:32 AM
Yeah, see, I allow political discussion on my sub-forum about topics I like because I like talking about politics sometime. And because ironically I find this is one of the few sites where I can do so where it isn't either a leftist repression-fest or a right-wing echo chamber. This thread should not be interpreted as saying "if you're left-wing you shouldn't come argue on the political threads', IF what you want is a good argument! Just that if you don't actually want to argue about politics, then you shouldn't come do that.

But I don't just want my sub-forum (or any other part of this forum) to turn into a political-discussion area. I don't think that there NEEDS to be political discussion on an RPG forum in principle or anything like that.  The Pundit's Forum is where I get to talk about things I want to talk about. It's that simple. So I don't feel any reason or motive to make it into a general-politics forum for topics that don't catch my fancy. That's just how I've chosen to set it up. On this whole site, this subforum is the one place that really is my own personal playground. It was never meant to be anything other than that, as the description of the sub-forum (I think) makes very clear.
Title: NOTICE: Don't Come In If You're Going to Have A Bad Time. Show Some Self-Control
Post by: James Gillen on January 02, 2017, 08:28:55 PM
Quote from: ningauble;938132
I was under the impression that theRPGpundit was a libertarian of some sort, however in my opinion, when it comes to politics this is just another pro-Trump community (albeit with a few dissenters) fighting the same old culture wars that have made every other political forum on the internet intolerable over the past year. And pro-Trump =/= libertarian in case there was any confusion about that.  

There seems to be, yes.

JG
Title: NOTICE: Don't Come In If You're Going to Have A Bad Time. Show Some Self-Control
Post by: Doc Sammy on January 04, 2017, 12:59:58 PM
To be fair, I post here frequently, and I fucking despise Trump. So far, I've had nothing bad happen to me, unlike on RPG.net, where I was literally banned for not liking Goth. I shit you not.

I didn't even say or do anything political to offend Big Purple's delicate political sensibilities, all I said was that Goth sucks and Darren MacLerran banned me for it. Turns out Mr. MacLerran is a wrist-cutting pansy who voluntarily listens to Sisters of Mercy and Type O Negative. And he can't stand differing opinions for some bizarre reason.

Don't believe me? Here's the evidence below...

https://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?699801-Infraction-for-Doctor-Samuel-Elric-17)-Permanent-Ban&

Pundit may support a shitty choice for President, but he at least tolerates people who disagree with him. So I'll vouch for him over a jackass like Darren MacLerran or the other Goth, Punk, and Commie shitheads at RPG.net
Title: NOTICE: Don't Come In If You're Going to Have A Bad Time. Show Some Self-Control
Post by: James Gillen on January 05, 2017, 10:44:11 PM
Quote from: Doc Sammy;938542
Pundit may support a shitty choice for President, but he at least tolerates people who disagree with him. So I'll vouch for him over a jackass like Darren MacLerran or the other Goth, Punk, and Commie shitheads at RPG.net

Indeed.

jg
Title: NOTICE: Don't Come In If You're Going to Have A Bad Time. Show Some Self-Control
Post by: Crüesader on January 05, 2017, 11:09:36 PM
Quote from: Doc Sammy;938542
Pundit may support a shitty choice for President, but he at least tolerates people who disagree with him. So I'll vouch for him over a jackass like Darren MacLerran or the other Goth, Punk, and Commie shitheads at RPG.net

This is true.  Quite a few things I've had differences with Mr. Pundit about, the management of his forum and the outright threat of shutting down threads if topics aren't specifically about games- but at least he's not banning people for petty horse-shit.

On 'the other site' they're still banning people for asking why they were told to shut up by an admin.  Even if you question why via PM, you get banned.  WTF.

And I've been on a variety of forums, I've never once seen one that doesn't allow you to question Admin/Mod action at all.
Title: NOTICE: Don't Come In If You're Going to Have A Bad Time. Show Some Self-Control
Post by: Headless on February 13, 2017, 02:58:45 PM
Ok I get it this is your space you can do what you want.  But I want to talk politics with people who role dice for fun with out having to caper for your amusement.  I don't know why I want to argue with crusader and his ilk its bad for my blood pressure but I do.  I mean if I don't tell him he'll keep being wrong:)

You have given yourself absolute and arbitry censorship powers, its lame.
Title: NOTICE: Don't Come In If You're Going to Have A Bad Time. Show Some Self-Control
Post by: jeff37923 on February 13, 2017, 04:23:02 PM
Quote from: Headless;945452
You have given yourself absolute and arbitry censorship powers, its lame.

It is also his forum, dumbass.
Title: NOTICE: Don't Come In If You're Going to Have A Bad Time. Show Some Self-Control
Post by: Anon Adderlan on February 13, 2017, 05:13:28 PM
Quote from: Headless;945452
I don't know why I want to argue with crusader and his ilk its bad for my blood pressure but I do.

That's your problem, not the site's.

Also he's been banned, which... ah forget it.

Quote from: jeff37923;945458
It is also his forum, dumbass.

Poor defense, as it's the same one the #CtrlLeft uses when they stop commercial sites from distributing media they don't like through economic threats.
Title: NOTICE: Don't Come In If You're Going to Have A Bad Time. Show Some Self-Control
Post by: Shipyard Locked on February 13, 2017, 05:27:51 PM
Quote from: Anon Adderlan;945461
Poor defense, as it's the same one the #CtrlLeft uses when they stop commercial sites from distributing media they don't like through economic threats.

Mm, there are few arguments more infuriating than, "It's only censorship if it's a government doing it!"
Title: NOTICE: Don't Come In If You're Going to Have A Bad Time. Show Some Self-Control
Post by: jeff37923 on February 14, 2017, 07:22:22 AM
Quote from: Anon Adderlan;945461

Poor defense, as it's the same one the #CtrlLeft uses when they stop commercial sites from distributing media they don't like through economic threats.

You lost me with that analogy.
Title: NOTICE: Don't Come In If You're Going to Have A Bad Time. Show Some Self-Control
Post by: Tristram Evans on February 14, 2017, 08:28:55 AM
Quote from: Shipyard Locked;945465
Mm, there are few arguments more infuriating than, "It's only censorship if it's a government doing it!"

Thats because its not an argument, its an excuse.
Title: NOTICE: Don't Come In If You're Going to Have A Bad Time. Show Some Self-Control
Post by: Headless on February 14, 2017, 09:32:50 AM
Quote from: Anon Adderlan;945461
That's your problem, not the site's.

Also he's been banned, which... ah forget it.



Poor defense, as it's the same one the #CtrlLeft uses when they stop commercial sites from distributing media they don't like through economic threats.

I see that.  Anyone else get the boot?
Title: NOTICE: Don't Come In If You're Going to Have A Bad Time. Show Some Self-Control
Post by: BedrockBrendan on February 14, 2017, 09:53:23 AM
If you guys want to object to a ban or to a policy, that is fine, but can you take it to the Help Desk. This thread isn't a general discussion thread.
Title: NOTICE: Don't Come In If You're Going to Have A Bad Time. Show Some Self-Control
Post by: Anon Adderlan on February 14, 2017, 02:49:58 PM
Quote from: Headless;945600
I see that.  Anyone else get the boot?

5 Stone Games

What's funny is how JArcane is complaining about how this site doesn't ban individuals like these (http://story-games.com/forums/discussion/comment/460123/#Comment_460123) in the 'How does your game fight fascism' thread on StoryGames.com.

People have just disappeared up their own assholes it seems, and ignore anything that challenges their established assumptions. So business as usual, only the #Internet really does make that harder to fix.
Title: NOTICE: Don't Come In If You're Going to Have A Bad Time. Show Some Self-Control
Post by: RPGPundit on February 14, 2017, 10:42:07 PM
Quote from: Headless;945452
Ok I get it this is your space you can do what you want.  But I want to talk politics with people who role dice for fun with out having to caper for your amusement.  I don't know why I want to argue with crusader and his ilk its bad for my blood pressure but I do.  I mean if I don't tell him he'll keep being wrong:)

You have given yourself absolute and arbitry censorship powers, its lame.


This site has no "politics" subforum and is not meant to.  My forum was explicitly not designed with that purpose. So if you get to enjoy some politics in it, great, but it was set up from the get-go for me to decide what's talked about in there.
Title: NOTICE: Don't Come In If You're Going to Have A Bad Time. Show Some Self-Control
Post by: Tristram Evans on February 17, 2017, 05:39:17 AM
Looks like RPGnet mods are still promoting the Failforward article:

https://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?798469-World-of-Darkness-Preludes-Masquerade-and-Ascension&p=20834054#post20834054
Title: NOTICE: Don't Come In If You're Going to Have A Bad Time. Show Some Self-Control
Post by: Marleycat on February 20, 2017, 10:11:02 PM
Quote from: Ratman_tf;934852
Racists! Racists everywhere! It's a Trumpocalpyse!

Nice, except Trump like myself aren't about race, we are about money and how do I get it by working.  Not your color of skin, not blowing up anybody radically Islamic etc. though serious thought should be given to it on certain levels. The previous president was against me and my values and got me and many of the silent majority to register and vote and we will be voting for several cycles because of this ridiculous hatred for the USA and hard work. And roleplaying games shouldn't have any of the above. Roleplaying Games are about escape and fun not my, your's or anybody's personal politics.

Politics are all about, can I pay the rent and eat healthy food. You can prefer who you like sexually, be your preferred gender. I don't care unless you get in my way of making money legally. And it seems me and mine have to keep voting to make sure all the faux protesters start getting the message that there will be real resistance to this bullshit permanently.
Title: NOTICE: Don't Come In If You're Going to Have A Bad Time. Show Some Self-Control
Post by: Xanther on February 20, 2017, 10:45:42 PM
Quote from: Doc Sammy;938542
To be fair, I post here frequently, and I fucking despise Trump. So far, I've had nothing bad happen to me, unlike on RPG.net, where I was literally banned for not liking Goth. I shit you not.

I didn't even say or do anything political to offend Big Purple's delicate political sensibilities, all I said was that Goth sucks and Darren MacLerran banned me for it. Turns out Mr. MacLerran is a wrist-cutting pansy who voluntarily listens to Sisters of Mercy and Type O Negative. And he can't stand differing opinions for some bizarre reason.

Don't believe me? Here's the evidence below...

https://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?699801-Infraction-for-Doctor-Samuel-Elric-17)-Permanent-Ban&

Pundit may support a shitty choice for President, but he at least tolerates people who disagree with him. So I'll vouch for him over a jackass like Darren MacLerran or the other Goth, Punk, and Commie shitheads at RPG.net

I support this.  I like it here because different views are tolerated...and if the view is not liked words are used to counter it (and maybe even BS internet rhetoric is used) but people are not banned.   I like Goth (kind of) and like Sisters of Mercy but would never consider banning someone who said they suck.  I'm not a fan of Trump at all, yet will listen to those who voted for him....and bite my tongue on Pundits political views,  I mean fuck he does not live in the USA, what the fuck does he know any more of the day-to-day in the USA.

What I like about Pundit is that agree or disagree with him (and you can call him names) you can speak up and get heard, with little fear of being banned.  Sure he'll give it back to you, so what, grow up.  Compared to other sites where they defend their views not with argument but with bans.  They love their private echo chambers.  That is not just the big purple but a whole slew of OSR sites.  

I'll vouch for Pundit, even if I disagree with him, he may be based out of some third world country but his site has more free speech than any other RPG site I can think of.
Title: NOTICE: Don't Come In If You're Going to Have A Bad Time. Show Some Self-Control
Post by: Marleycat on February 20, 2017, 11:11:38 PM
Quote from: Xanther;946767
I support this.  I like it here because different views are tolerated...and if the view is not liked words are used to counter it (and maybe even BS internet rhetoric is used) but people are not banned.   I like Goth (kind of) and like Sisters of Mercy but would never consider banning someone who said they suck.  I'm not a fan of Trump at all, yet will listen to those who voted for him....and bite my tongue on Pundits political views,  I mean fuck he does not live in the USA, what the fuck does he know any more of the day-to-day in the USA.

What I like about Pundit is that agree or disagree with him (and you can call him names) you can speak up and get heard, with little fear of being banned.  Sure he'll give it back to you, so what, grow up.  Compared to other sites where they defend their views not with argument but with bans.  They love their private echo chambers.  That is not just the big purple but a whole slew of OSR sites.  

I'll vouch for Pundit, even if I disagree with him, he may be based out of some third world country but his site has more free speech than any other RPG site I can think of.
/Thread winner.
Title: NOTICE: Don't Come In If You're Going to Have A Bad Time. Show Some Self-Control
Post by: Spinachcat on February 21, 2017, 02:01:39 AM
Quote from: Xanther;946767
I'll vouch for Pundit, even if I disagree with him, he may be based out of some third world country but his site has more free speech than any other RPG site I can think of.

I agree, but Pundy lives in Uruguay which is an impressive developing country. He's posted pics and info about Uruguay several times and hopefully will do more in the future. If I spoke Spanish, I'd really consider a relo. There are lots of reasons there is a growing ex-pat community there from USJWA and Canuckistan.
Title: NOTICE: Don't Come In If You're Going to Have A Bad Time. Show Some Self-Control
Post by: Anon Adderlan on February 22, 2017, 06:00:26 PM
Quote from: Marleycat;946761
Nice, except Trump like myself aren't about race, we are about money and how do I get it by working.

Actually, #Trump is about money and how you get it by owning shit. That's the key difference between how the haves and have nots generate wealth, and why his policies will hurt the working class and small business owners the most.