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« Reply #45 on: June 28, 2019, 10:40:15 PM »
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People like the CNN Vanderbilt spawn would disagree with you.   I made the point about the guy being a nazi collaborator before, linked the video where the guy said from his own mouth the time he spent turning people in to nazis were the best years of his life, and folks said he was just a victim of circumstance.

Post a link please.

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« Reply #46 on: June 28, 2019, 10:41:32 PM »
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Post a link please.

To what?  The 60 minutes interview with soros is pretty easy to find.

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« Reply #47 on: June 28, 2019, 11:13:54 PM »
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Pretty sure mentioning Soros in  a negative light is more or less anti semitism, so be careful on that one.

I dont know how big a problem that is now since the main stream news are calling out people like Ben Shapiro as alt-right Nazi supporters.
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« Reply #48 on: June 29, 2019, 03:35:17 AM »
It's very easy to be pro-Jewish rights and pro-Israel and anti-Soros.

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« Reply #49 on: June 29, 2019, 11:47:30 AM »
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It's very easy to be pro-Jewish rights and pro-Israel and anti-Soros.


Yep, after all it only takes being an individualist instead of a collectivist and not buying into conspiracy theories. (teh patriarchy or teh protocols of sion)
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« Reply #50 on: July 02, 2019, 01:11:29 AM »
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Pretty sure mentioning Soros in  a negative light is more or less anti semitism, so be careful on that one.


We are all fallible humans, and no person or people is beyond reproach.  It's fine to criticize anyone, and any group.  If someone says otherwise, that it is impermissible to speak against them?  Tries to create a taboo against examining the conduct of any person or group?  If they drowned in boiling shit I wouldn't shed a tear.

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« Reply #51 on: July 02, 2019, 10:13:59 AM »
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Actually yeah Soros did in fact work for the Nazis.  Fucker sold his people out.

No. No he did not. There are plenty of reasons not to like the man. That's not one of them.

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« Reply #52 on: July 02, 2019, 02:12:52 PM »
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No. No he did not. There are plenty of reasons not to like the man. That's not one of them.


Yes, yes he did watch the VIDEO from around the 7:00 mark

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 KROFT: You're a Hungarian Jew

Mr. SOROS: Mm-hmm.

KROFT: who escaped the Holocaust

Mr. SOROS: Mm-hmm.

(Vintage footage of people getting on train)

KROFT: by-by posing as a Christian.

Mr. SOROS: Right.

(Vintage footage of women helping each other get on train; train door closing with people in boxcar)

KROFT: And you watched lots of people get shipped off to the death camps.

Mr. SOROS: Right. I was 14 years old. And I would say that that's when my character was made.

KROFT: In what way?

Mr. SOROS: That one should think ahead. One should understand and-and anticipate events and when-when one is threatened. It was a tremendous threat of evil. I mean, it was a-a very personal experience of evil."

KROFT: My understanding is that you went out with this protector of yours who swore that you were his adopted godson.

Mr. SOROS: Yes. Yes.

KROFT: Went out, in fact, and helped in the confiscation of property from the Jews.

Mr. SOROS: Yes. That's right. Yes.

KROFT: I mean, that's-that sounds like an experience that would send lots of people to the psychiatric couch for many, many years. Was it difficult?

Mr. SOROS: Not-not at all. Not at all. Maybe as a child you don't-you don't see the connection. But it was-it created no-no problem at all.

KROFT: No feeling of guilt?

Mr. SOROS: No.

KROFT: For example that, "I'm Jewish and here I am, watching these people go. I could just as easily be there. I should be there." None of that?

Mr. SOROS: Well, of course I c-I could be on the other side or I could be the one from whom the thing is being taken away. But there was no sense that I shouldn't be there, because that was-well, actually, in a funny way, it's just like in markets-that if I weren't there-of course, I wasn't doing it, but somebody else would-would-would be taking it away anyhow. And it was the-whether I was there or not, I was only a spectator, the property was being taken away. So the-I had no role in taking away that property. So I had no sense of guilt.  (George Soros, 60 Minutes interview transcript, December 20, 1998)

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« Reply #53 on: July 02, 2019, 05:02:59 PM »
Sorry I dont see that interview as evidence that Soros sold his people out to the Nazis.
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« Reply #54 on: July 02, 2019, 06:37:58 PM »
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Sorry I dont see that interview as evidence that Soros sold his people out to the Nazis.

He still took properties of his fellow jews and gave it to the nazis.  That is still a horrible thing to do and I have no doubt he would rat out any jews if it means he can keep up his christian disguise.

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« Reply #55 on: July 02, 2019, 07:14:14 PM »
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Yes, yes he did watch the VIDEO from around the 7:00 mark

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Read the ARTICLE. Which addresses the video and what's wrong with that. (And the article is from a source I chose for a reason.)

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« Reply #56 on: July 02, 2019, 07:26:42 PM »
From GeekyBugle's quoted interview with Soros. Below is his bolded section:

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KROFT: My understanding is that you went out with this protector of yours who swore that you were his adopted godson.

Mr. SOROS: Yes. Yes.

KROFT: Went out, in fact, and helped in the confiscation of property from the Jews.

Mr. SOROS: Yes. That's right. Yes.

Below is my bolding from the same quote:
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Mr. SOROS: Well, of course I c-I could be on the other side or I could be the one from whom the thing is being taken away. But there was no sense that I shouldn't be there, because that was-well, actually, in a funny way, it's just like in markets-that if I weren't there-of course, I wasn't doing it, but somebody else would-would-would be taking it away anyhow. And it was the-whether I was there or not, I was only a spectator, the property was being taken away. So the-I had no role in taking away that property. So I had no sense of guilt.
If you're going to take his word, then according to what he says, he was just a spectator. This is in 1944. He was 14 years old and maintaining a cover as a Christian bureaucrat's godson.

So as for the adult - the adult is a Hungarian bureaucrat named Baumbach, who helped save a Jewish child, while he still went about his assigned job to inventory confiscated Jewish property. I don't think it is reasonable in any sense to call Baumbach a Nazi. He was risking his life by pretending this Jewish child was his godson, and then helping him leave the country. That's like calling Oskar Schindler a Nazi and his helper's collaborators. Schindler was technically a Nazi party member and profited from Jewish labor, but he was saving Jewish people's lives while he did so. Schindler and Baumbach were working against the system from within.

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« Reply #57 on: July 02, 2019, 08:11:59 PM »
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From GeekyBugle's quoted interview with Soros. Below is his bolded section:


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KROFT: My understanding is that you went out with this protector of yours who swore that you were his adopted godson.

Mr. SOROS: Yes. Yes.

KROFT: Went out, in fact, and helped in the confiscation of property from the Jews.

Mr. SOROS: Yes. That's right. Yes.


So he was asked directly and admitted to doing it? YES

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Below is my bolding from the same quote:


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Mr. SOROS: Well, of course I c-I could be on the other side or I could be the one from whom the thing is being taken away. But there was no sense that I shouldn't be there, because that was-well, actually, in a funny way, it's just like in markets-that if I weren't there-of course, I wasn't doing it, but somebody else would-would-would be taking it away anyhow. And it was the-whether I was there or not, I was only a spectator, the property was being taken away. So the-I had no role in taking away that property. So I had no sense of guilt.


Included all your comment to properly debunk your reading.

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If you're going to take his word, then according to what he says, he was just a spectator. This is in 1944. He was 14 years old and maintaining a cover as a Christian bureaucrat's godson.

So as for the adult - the adult is a Hungarian bureaucrat named Baumbach, who helped save a Jewish child, while he still went about his assigned job to inventory confiscated Jewish property. I don't think it is reasonable in any sense to call Baumbach a Nazi. He was risking his life by pretending this Jewish child was his godson, and then helping him leave the country. That's like calling Oskar Schindler a Nazi and his helper's collaborators. Schindler was technically a Nazi party member and profited from Jewish labor, but he was saving Jewish people's lives while he did so. Schindler and Baumbach were working against the system from within.


No, he was not an spectator, he was helping in the confiscation. And he's rationalizing that if not him someone else would have done it. And I'll show you exactly where.

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Mr. SOROS: Well, of course I c-I could be on the other side or I could be the one from whom the thing is being taken away. But there was no sense that I shouldn't be there, because that was-well, actually, in a funny way, it's just like in markets-that if I weren't there-of course, I wasn't doing it, but somebody else would-would-would be taking it away anyhow. And it was the-whether I was there or not, I was only a spectator, the property was being taken away. So the-I had no role in taking away that property. So I had no sense of guilt.


He's clearly establishing an hypothetical, IF he wasn't there and wasn't doing it, then someone else would be doing it anyhow. This is him washing his hands of his admitted guilt by rationalizing it away. Of course someone else would have done it if not him, but the point remains that it WAS him who did it.

No cigar, no participation trophy, care to try again?
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« Reply #58 on: July 02, 2019, 08:45:48 PM »
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He still took properties of his fellow jews and gave it to the nazis.  That is still a horrible thing to do and I have no doubt he would rat out any jews if it means he can keep up his christian disguise.

The Nazis already got the Jews, what do you want a 14 year old to do about that?  Unleash his magical Pikachu on them?

I would respect your opinion on Soros more if it was based on things that he actually did rather then something that you imagined that he did especially when he was 14 years old.
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« Reply #59 on: July 02, 2019, 08:51:58 PM »
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He's clearly establishing an hypothetical, IF he wasn't there and wasn't doing it, then someone else would be doing it anyhow. This is him washing his hands of his admitted guilt by rationalizing it away. Of course someone else would have done it if not him, but the point remains that it WAS him who did it.

No cigar, no participation trophy, care to try again?

Just imagine yourself back at 14 years old except that there are actual real life Nazis in control of your country, army and police that want to kill you, your family and essentially everyone that you know.  What are you going to do?  Remember no participation trophy, if you fail you die so whats your move?
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