Therpgsite is the last bastion.

[tenbones]

I wasn't a party to either part of this conversation, so I can't speak to specifics.  But I will say that what tenbones described is exactly what I was talking about upthread.  See, it's not about "bias" per se; it's about blindness.  Most "biased" mods aren't actually enforcing their own politics (unlike at TBP, where they explicitly do, so we make fun of them).  They are simply blind to the fact that they are enforcing politics at all.  They see the poster as needlessly inserting politics into the discussion, because the context of the discussion has defaulted to the mods own worldview, values, or politics.  You can see this on ENWorld on just about any thread that has been modded.  Espousing ideas consistent with the mod's worldview (be it diversity, colonialism, racial "depictions" of monsters, etc.) is "normal" to them, non-political.  But a similarly political, yet opposite, argument makes them uncomfortable.  They don't want to argue the point (and sometimes can't), so they tell you to "drop it."  Well, if celebrating the inclusion of minority writers in a WotC module is "non-political," then so is pointing out the problems with diversity hiring for modules.  But, to the mods, one is the default, and the other is "politics."  Sounds like that's what happened to tenbones.  And the fact that you guys can't see it means that it's likely to happen again...

Exactly!!

This is why I don't think Endless is a bad guy, I think that the "No Politics" rule sounds great as a bumpersticker and selling point, but when put to the test, it requires a lot more thought than was given (at that time) to enforce.

And I want to be clear - *I* understand my part in that discussion *was* political if only to point out in that discussion of why I thought the Marvel RPG (forthcoming), would fail. Most of my reasoning was based on facts-on-the-ground, but one of them was "how the IP was being handled" being code for "Marvels Woke Politics". So any interrogation of what I mean by that on any level is inviting me to talk about politics. Period. And I'm *game* for that. But why do I even need to explain the obvious? That was always my larger point. I acknowledge that rule on the Pub, but it's not there for me, in the sense that I am not sensitive or averse to talking about those topics. But I'm not a mod there either, which I see as a conflict of protocol if you're going to have that rule and engage in breaking it then enforce it after the fact.

Which is precisely the dynamic you cite above.

[Endless Flight]

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I wasn't a party to either part of this conversation, so I can't speak to specifics.  But I will say that what tenbones described is exactly what I was talking about upthread.  See, it's not about "bias" per se; it's about blindness.  Most "biased" mods aren't actually enforcing their own politics (unlike at TBP, where they explicitly do, so we make fun of them).  They are simply blind to the fact that they are enforcing politics at all.  They see the poster as needlessly inserting politics into the discussion, because the context of the discussion has defaulted to the mods own worldview, values, or politics.  You can see this on ENWorld on just about any thread that has been modded.  Espousing ideas consistent with the mod's worldview (be it diversity, colonialism, racial "depictions" of monsters, etc.) is "normal" to them, non-political.  But a similarly political, yet opposite, argument makes them uncomfortable.  They don't want to argue the point (and sometimes can't), so they tell you to "drop it."  Well, if celebrating the inclusion of minority writers in a WotC module is "non-political," then so is pointing out the problems with diversity hiring for modules.  But, to the mods, one is the default, and the other is "politics."  Sounds like that's what happened to tenbones.  And the fact that you guys can't see it means that it's likely to happen again...

That isn't what happened to Tenbones. I'm not going to use this thread here to quote posts from the Pub to prove my point though.

[RPGPundit]

All these Pub moderators showing up  here to claim that the site isn't about me, and yet not one of them mentioned the derogatory nickname that they invented for me and now use to refer to me constantly.

[David Johansen]

So, you don't look great in a mini-skirt?  Well that's a let down for sure!

[Endless Flight]

All these Pub moderators showing up  here to claim that the site isn't about me, and yet not one of them mentioned the derogatory nickname that they invented for me and now use to refer to me constantly.

Get a grip. You get mentioned less than Ron Edwards on the Pub.

[David Johansen]

Quite honestly, I wasn't in on it for the longest time and I must confess that I was very confused.

[Brad]

That isn't what happened to Tenbones. I'm not going to use this thread here to quote posts from the Pub to prove my point though.

"None of this happened. Trust me, bro."

Well...okay.

[Endless Flight]

That isn't what happened to Tenbones. I'm not going to use this thread here to quote posts from the Pub to prove my point though.

"None of this happened. Trust me, bro."

Well...okay.

I didn't say that.

I said I wasn't going to use this forum to explain in detail shit that happened at the Pub.

[Brad]

I didn't say that.

I said I wasn't going to use this forum to explain in detail shit that happened at the Pub.

So then why even bother responding at all? STFU, drama queen...

[Endless Flight]

I didn't say that.

I said I wasn't going to use this forum to explain in detail shit that happened at the Pub.

So then why even bother responding at all? STFU, drama queen...

1) My name was brought up so I decided to post.

2) You don't know what a drama queen is.

3) Your shtick was already old ten years ago. Time for an update.

[Brad]

1) My name was brought up so I decided to post.

2) You don't know what a drama queen is.

3) Your shtick was already old ten years ago. Time for an update.

1) And yet posted nothing substantial, just pure horseshit.
2) Well, actually I do. And you are, indeed, one.
3) Your shtick was outdated before it even got started. Whiny fucks who bitch about the flavor of the month and throw out nonsense rebuttals with no evidence. Come with the receipts or GTFO, faggot.

[Eirikrautha]

So, I went to the RPGPub, searched tenbones' name, and read the Marvel thread up to page 13 where he sent his DM.  It is exactly what tenbones said it was (and what I describe the problem as).  I encourage everyone who is interested to go read the thread for themselves.  Lot's of "playing" dumb (or being dumb) for the sake of default politics (how the mod can say (paraphrasing) "I've liked the direction of the MCU and StarWars" and then pretend to not know the pure politics that went into the changes in those franchises...).

[tenbones]

I'll save you all a step.

https://www.rpgpub.com/threads/new-marvel-rpg-coming-in-2022.6300/

I come in around page 3.

[Brad]

"I'm not getting into the politics with you."
" I'm not getting into politics. Marvel got into politics."
"You are talking about it. We don't want to talk about it. I'm asking you not to bring that up again, please."

I actually wasted my time reading all that and found those three quotes. Long discussion, tenbones gives tons and tons of valid criticisms, back-and-forth with Endless Flight (who also has some valid arguments) over if the Marvel game will be any good, design choices, etc. Then tenbones brings up historical facts about the direction Marvel took that resulted in some poor outcomes. "I'm not getting into politics with you." <--- Basically, this statement was a cowards way out of the argument. There's no other way to read that thread and come to a different conclusion. I have read zero posts on that site until today and have no experience with the posting style of anyone on there except a few obvious therpgsite posters (including a few that ragequit here for whatever reason). And it is obvious what occurred.

That isn't what happened to Tenbones. I'm not going to use this thread here to quote posts from the Pub to prove my point though.

And now we see why you refused to elaborate because you're 100% full of shit.

[Spinachcat]

I liked the RPGPub when it first started.

I'm all for more RPG forums. Kudos to them for still existing in 2023.

I don't allow politics at the game table, so a true no-politics RPG forum is something I'd support. Variety has value. I'd also be happy with an All-Trumper RPG forum.

BUT

My problem with RPGPub wasn't the no politics. My problem is the Pub is boring. And nothing is worse than boring, especially because the Pub's dullness was directly from this unnatural focus on "being nice" which of course, swiftly was co-opted by SJWs wanting to play semantics.

Oh, and FUCK Marvel and Star Wars. They're shit franchises now thanks to wokeness.